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01 Apr 2004 01:53:03 PM |
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Re: People of Fallujah demand raqi freedom from American bullies |
Yes, but 46% said things were worse now than before the occupation. Let's
look at the 85% who answered that the US shouldn't leave until security is
restored or until there is an election. The poll doesn't weigh which one is
more important: us staying or an election? I think that if the question
was asked for each one we would have gotten a better answer.
Secondly, it is important to understand 1) Who conducted the polls? 2) What
were the demographics? The article doesn't say that it was done by a
Non-Governmental Organization, coalition members, the new Iraqi Interim
council or whatever. Furthermore we don't know who were polled. Were
people outside of the "Triangle" polled? Was it the wealthy? The scholars?
Random people on a street corner or bars?
We have to know these things, and not just accept numbers that are thrown at
us.
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It is tragic to see that four people died, but the message shouted by
the Iraqi people is loud and clear, a message that Americans have
heard before:
Leave us alone. Go home.
You don't live in Iraq, you little idiot. Here's what real Iraqis say:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2004%2F03%2F17%2Fwt
err317.xml
"The evidence of the poll is that most people are anxious
for the Americans to stay, with 85 per cent saying they
should not pull out until security is restored or an elected
Iraqi government is in place."
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01 Apr 2004 07:53:25 PM |
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"Comicboards" <whodat_4@netzero.net> wrote in message
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Yes, but 46% said things were worse now than before the occupation. Let's
look at the 85% who answered that the US shouldn't leave until security is
restored or until there is an election. The poll doesn't weigh which one
is
more important: us staying or an election? I think that if the question
was asked for each one we would have gotten a better answer.
Secondly, it is important to understand 1) Who conducted the polls? 2)
What
were the demographics? The article doesn't say that it was done by a
Non-Governmental Organization, coalition members, the new Iraqi Interim
council or whatever. Furthermore we don't know who were polled. Were
people outside of the "Triangle" polled? Was it the wealthy? The
scholars?
Random people on a street corner or bars?
We have to know these things, and not just accept numbers that are thrown
at
us.
Your questions are answered here. Please don't top post.
http://www.cpa-iraq.org/government/polling.html
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It is tragic to see that four people died, but the message shouted by
the Iraqi people is loud and clear, a message that Americans have
heard before:
Leave us alone. Go home.
You don't live in Iraq, you little idiot. Here's what real Iraqis say:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2004%2F03%2F17%2Fwt
err317.xml
"The evidence of the poll is that most people are anxious
for the Americans to stay, with 85 per cent saying they
should not pull out until security is restored or an elected
Iraqi government is in place."
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| User: "Comicboards" |
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| Title: Re: People of Fallujah demand raqi freedom from American bullies |
02 Apr 2004 10:03:47 AM |
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I don't have a choice but to top post, this is a Netscape browser.
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Yes, but 46% said things were worse now than before the occupation.
Let's
look at the 85% who answered that the US shouldn't leave until security
is
restored or until there is an election. The poll doesn't weigh which
one
is
more important: us staying or an election? I think that if the
question
was asked for each one we would have gotten a better answer.
Secondly, it is important to understand 1) Who conducted the polls? 2)
What
were the demographics? The article doesn't say that it was done by a
Non-Governmental Organization, coalition members, the new Iraqi Interim
council or whatever. Furthermore we don't know who were polled. Were
people outside of the "Triangle" polled? Was it the wealthy? The
scholars?
Random people on a street corner or bars?
We have to know these things, and not just accept numbers that are
thrown
at
us.
Your questions are answered here. Please don't top post.
http://www.cpa-iraq.org/government/polling.html
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"abdul rahim" <garth.1.rahim@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
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x-no-archive: yes
It is tragic to see that four people died, but the message shouted
by
the Iraqi people is loud and clear, a message that Americans have
heard before:
Leave us alone. Go home.
You don't live in Iraq, you little idiot. Here's what real Iraqis
say:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2004%2F03%2F17%2Fwt
err317.xml
"The evidence of the poll is that most people are anxious
for the Americans to stay, with 85 per cent saying they
should not pull out until security is restored or an elected
Iraqi government is in place."
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| User: "Gomez Addams" |
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02 Apr 2004 10:13:54 AM |
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"Comicboards" <whodat_4@netzero.net> wrote in message
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I don't have a choice but to top post, this is a Netscape browser.
Well DUH! Move your cursor into the text where you want. Top posting is only
the default setting IIRC.
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| User: "Comicboards" |
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02 Apr 2004 02:06:26 PM |
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No thanks, that is to much trouble. Hey why can't you just copy and paste
my remarks down to the bottom? Why bother right?
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I don't have a choice but to top post, this is a Netscape browser.
Well DUH! Move your cursor into the text where you want. Top posting is
only
the default setting IIRC.
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| User: "john w" |
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| Title: Re: People of Fallujah demand raqi freedom from American bullies |
02 Apr 2004 02:57:48 AM |
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:53:03 -0500, "Comicboards"
<whodat_4@netzero.net> wrote:
john w responded
Yes, but 46% said things were worse now than before the occupation. Let's
look at the 85% who answered that the US shouldn't leave until security is
restored or until there is an election. The poll doesn't weigh which one is
more important: us staying or an election? I think that if the question
was asked for each one we would have gotten a better answer.
Secondly, it is important to understand 1) Who conducted the polls? 2) What
were the demographics? The article doesn't say that it was done by a
Non-Governmental Organization, coalition members, the new Iraqi Interim
council or whatever. Furthermore we don't know who were polled. Were
people outside of the "Triangle" polled? Was it the wealthy? The scholars?
Random people on a street corner or bars?
And just how do primitive people--many of whom can't even read--know
what's best for them? We have deposed a tyrant. We are establishing a
free, democratic Iraq. When the rest of the Middle East sees what
democracy looks like up close, more Middle East nations will want it.
The days of some Muslims leaders enslaving their people and making
their women chattel are numbered.
Today, those women who weren't even allowed out of their homes, are
free to come and go, they're free to work (under Saddam, women
couldn't work) and they can go to school now (which they couldn't
under Saddam)
jw
We have to know these things, and not just accept numbers that are thrown at
us.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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02 Apr 2004 03:37:37 AM |
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On 2 Apr 2004 08:57:48 GMT in alt.atheism, john w (john w
<john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:53:03 -0500, "Comicboards"
<whodat_4@netzero.net> wrote:
john w responded
Yes, but 46% said things were worse now than before the occupation. Let's
look at the 85% who answered that the US shouldn't leave until security is
restored or until there is an election. The poll doesn't weigh which one is
more important: us staying or an election? I think that if the question
was asked for each one we would have gotten a better answer.
Secondly, it is important to understand 1) Who conducted the polls? 2) What
were the demographics? The article doesn't say that it was done by a
Non-Governmental Organization, coalition members, the new Iraqi Interim
council or whatever. Furthermore we don't know who were polled. Were
people outside of the "Triangle" polled? Was it the wealthy? The scholars?
Random people on a street corner or bars?
And just how do primitive people--many of whom can't even read--know
what's best for them? We have deposed a tyrant. We are establishing a
free, democratic Iraq.
Yes. I was deeply impressed by the way in which this happened...
When the rest of the Middle East sees what
democracy looks like up close, more Middle East nations will want it.
The days of some Muslims leaders enslaving their people and making
their women chattel are numbered.
Today, those women who weren't even allowed out of their homes, are
free to come and go, they're free to work (under Saddam, women
couldn't work) and they can go to school now (which they couldn't
under Saddam)
Erm, nicely put, and completely correct apart from the fact you're
100% wrong.
Iraq for all it's wrongs was a secular state under Saddam (unless you
count Saddam as God in the sense that a Roman emperor was a God) and
women had rights to participate in public life, get an education, work
and so forth. As the BBC said on 8th May 2003:
"Iraqi women have been among the best-educated in the Middle East and
have held a large proportion of professional positions."
Depending on what kind of government Iraq ends up with, this may
change.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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02 Apr 2004 10:41:20 AM |
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In article <7naq60579ukhl50ukmno5h1a4i912l05ic@4ax.com>, john w says...
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And just how do primitive people--many of whom can't even read--know
what's best for them?
Well, you could always take the time to teach them to read so you'd have a
bigger audience for your pornographic novels.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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02 Apr 2004 06:58:02 AM |
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On 2 Apr 2004 08:57:48 GMT, john w <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> cross
posted to
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.christian.baptist,alt.religion.islam,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.atheism:
And just how do primitive people--many of whom can't even read--know
what's best for them?
Same as you do John. They don't like being occupied by a bunch of
infidels.
We have deposed a tyrant.
Nobody asked for that. The reaons given (WMD, Al Quacky) have been
proven as correct as the Polish invasion of Germany in 1939.
We are establishing a free, democratic Iraq.
That is a VERY long way off. At this moment, and likely for many years
to come, it is a occupied colony of the USA.
Believe me: you won't enjoy it there. We Dutch have some experience
with colonies that don't want our civilization. In the end, you will
get kicked out. We did occupy Atjeh province, at great cost. But never
really 'liberated' it. Because the people resented it.
Something you (well, not you personally. You are too yellow for
serving) will find out pretty soon.
When the rest of the Middle East sees what
democracy looks like up close, more Middle East nations will want it.
So far, no good.
The days of some Muslims leaders enslaving their people and making
their women chattel are numbered.
Because the USA is doing the enslaving much better. You know who are
exceptionally good at enslaving? The Muslim allies of the US. They
even attend schools in the US to learn how to do it better. In
Langley, for example.
Today, those women who weren't even allowed out of their homes, are
free to come and go, they're free to work (under Saddam, women
couldn't work) and they can go to school now (which they couldn't
under Saddam)
Why do you talk about things you have absolutely no knowledge about?
Have you been there?
You are just an arm chair general, with the proviso that the arm chair
is a lot more intelligent than the yellow livered coward in it.
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| User: "Comicboards" |
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02 Apr 2004 10:07:03 AM |
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Great points!
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"Jos Flachs" <'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> wrote in message
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On 2 Apr 2004 08:57:48 GMT, john w <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> cross
posted to
alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.christian.baptist,alt.religion.islam,alt
..religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.atheism:
And just how do primitive people--many of whom can't even read--know
what's best for them?
Same as you do John. They don't like being occupied by a bunch of
infidels.
We have deposed a tyrant.
Nobody asked for that. The reaons given (WMD, Al Quacky) have been
proven as correct as the Polish invasion of Germany in 1939.
We are establishing a free, democratic Iraq.
That is a VERY long way off. At this moment, and likely for many years
to come, it is a occupied colony of the USA.
Believe me: you won't enjoy it there. We Dutch have some experience
with colonies that don't want our civilization. In the end, you will
get kicked out. We did occupy Atjeh province, at great cost. But never
really 'liberated' it. Because the people resented it.
Something you (well, not you personally. You are too yellow for
serving) will find out pretty soon.
When the rest of the Middle East sees what
democracy looks like up close, more Middle East nations will want it.
So far, no good.
The days of some Muslims leaders enslaving their people and making
their women chattel are numbered.
Because the USA is doing the enslaving much better. You know who are
exceptionally good at enslaving? The Muslim allies of the US. They
even attend schools in the US to learn how to do it better. In
Langley, for example.
Today, those women who weren't even allowed out of their homes, are
free to come and go, they're free to work (under Saddam, women
couldn't work) and they can go to school now (which they couldn't
under Saddam)
Why do you talk about things you have absolutely no knowledge about?
Have you been there?
You are just an arm chair general, with the proviso that the arm chair
is a lot more intelligent than the yellow livered coward in it.
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| User: "Allienne Goddard" |
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02 Apr 2004 03:24:22 AM |
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On 2 Apr 2004 08:57:48 GMT, john w <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:53:03 -0500, "Comicboards"
<whodat_4@netzero.net> wrote:
john w responded
Yes, but 46% said things were worse now than before the occupation. Let's
look at the 85% who answered that the US shouldn't leave until security is
restored or until there is an election. The poll doesn't weigh which one is
more important: us staying or an election? I think that if the question
was asked for each one we would have gotten a better answer.
Secondly, it is important to understand 1) Who conducted the polls? 2) What
were the demographics? The article doesn't say that it was done by a
Non-Governmental Organization, coalition members, the new Iraqi Interim
council or whatever. Furthermore we don't know who were polled. Were
people outside of the "Triangle" polled? Was it the wealthy? The scholars?
Random people on a street corner or bars?
And just how do primitive people--many of whom can't even read--know
what's best for them? We have deposed a tyrant. We are establishing a
free, democratic Iraq. When the rest of the Middle East sees what
democracy looks like up close, more Middle East nations will want it.
Well, keep in mind that we overthrew the democraticly elected leader
of Iran and installed the Shah. Maybe it would be healthy to be
suspicious of our intentions.
The days of some Muslims leaders enslaving their people and making
their women chattel are numbered.
Today, those women who weren't even allowed out of their homes, are
free to come and go, they're free to work (under Saddam, women
couldn't work) and they can go to school now (which they couldn't
under Saddam)
Wrong, you ignorant fool. Iraq, before the 1991 war, was one of the
most advanced Arab countires in the world. They were well educated,
had a secular government, and a sizable middle class. Women had more
rights, including owning property and working outside the home, than
you find in U.S. allies like Saudi Arabia. I guess you're thinking of
Afghanistan. I wish we had to take a test before we were allowed to
vote.
jw
Yours -- Ally
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| User: "Comicboards" |
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02 Apr 2004 10:05:09 AM |
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LOL!
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On 2 Apr 2004 08:57:48 GMT, john w <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:53:03 -0500, "Comicboards"
<whodat_4@netzero.net> wrote:
john w responded
Yes, but 46% said things were worse now than before the occupation.
Let's
look at the 85% who answered that the US shouldn't leave until security
is
restored or until there is an election. The poll doesn't weigh which
one is
more important: us staying or an election? I think that if the
question
was asked for each one we would have gotten a better answer.
Secondly, it is important to understand 1) Who conducted the polls? 2)
What
were the demographics? The article doesn't say that it was done by a
Non-Governmental Organization, coalition members, the new Iraqi Interim
council or whatever. Furthermore we don't know who were polled. Were
people outside of the "Triangle" polled? Was it the wealthy? The
scholars?
Random people on a street corner or bars?
And just how do primitive people--many of whom can't even read--know
what's best for them? We have deposed a tyrant. We are establishing a
free, democratic Iraq. When the rest of the Middle East sees what
democracy looks like up close, more Middle East nations will want it.
Well, keep in mind that we overthrew the democraticly elected leader
of Iran and installed the Shah. Maybe it would be healthy to be
suspicious of our intentions.
The days of some Muslims leaders enslaving their people and making
their women chattel are numbered.
Today, those women who weren't even allowed out of their homes, are
free to come and go, they're free to work (under Saddam, women
couldn't work) and they can go to school now (which they couldn't
under Saddam)
Wrong, you ignorant fool. Iraq, before the 1991 war, was one of the
most advanced Arab countires in the world. They were well educated,
had a secular government, and a sizable middle class. Women had more
rights, including owning property and working outside the home, than
you find in U.S. allies like Saudi Arabia. I guess you're thinking of
Afghanistan. I wish we had to take a test before we were allowed to
vote.
jw
Yours -- Ally
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| User: "William S. Hubbard" |
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03 Apr 2004 12:15:30 PM |
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The people of Fallujah can eat ***** and die! Tick, tock..
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On 2 Apr 2004 08:57:48 GMT, john w <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:53:03 -0500, "Comicboards"
<whodat_4@netzero.net> wrote:
john w responded
Yes, but 46% said things were worse now than before the occupation.
Let's
look at the 85% who answered that the US shouldn't leave until
security
is
restored or until there is an election. The poll doesn't weigh
which
one is
more important: us staying or an election? I think that if the
question
was asked for each one we would have gotten a better answer.
Secondly, it is important to understand 1) Who conducted the polls?
2)
What
were the demographics? The article doesn't say that it was done by
a
Non-Governmental Organization, coalition members, the new Iraqi
Interim
council or whatever. Furthermore we don't know who were polled.
Were
people outside of the "Triangle" polled? Was it the wealthy? The
scholars?
Random people on a street corner or bars?
And just how do primitive people--many of whom can't even read--know
what's best for them? We have deposed a tyrant. We are establishing
a
free, democratic Iraq. When the rest of the Middle East sees what
democracy looks like up close, more Middle East nations will want it.
Well, keep in mind that we overthrew the democraticly elected leader
of Iran and installed the Shah. Maybe it would be healthy to be
suspicious of our intentions.
The days of some Muslims leaders enslaving their people and making
their women chattel are numbered.
Today, those women who weren't even allowed out of their homes, are
free to come and go, they're free to work (under Saddam, women
couldn't work) and they can go to school now (which they couldn't
under Saddam)
Wrong, you ignorant fool. Iraq, before the 1991 war, was one of the
most advanced Arab countires in the world. They were well educated,
had a secular government, and a sizable middle class. Women had more
rights, including owning property and working outside the home, than
you find in U.S. allies like Saudi Arabia. I guess you're thinking of
Afghanistan. I wish we had to take a test before we were allowed to
vote.
jw
Yours -- Ally
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Re: People of Fallujah demand Iraqi freedom from American bullies
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