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29 Jan 2005 06:09:14 AM |
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Re: Prayer for Douglas E. Berry |
LOL! Looks like Gasbag is getting lazy! :)
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Please join me in prayer.
Dear Lord,
Save Doug's soul.
In Jesus' name, Amen.
Sincerely,
Jason Gastrich
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer for Douglas E. Berry |
31 Jan 2005 12:06:16 PM |
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George Peatty wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:37:34 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
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Well, I was about ready to convert; but after this insult I'm
staying an atheist.
Dude, lying is a sin .. even for atheists ..
"Sin" only applies to Christians. Outside Christianity it's an
undefined 3-letter word.
Atheists act like their dictionaries omit the word "sin."
JG
For *all* have sinned and come short of the glory of God ..
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer for Douglas E. Berry |
31 Jan 2005 12:25:57 PM |
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"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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George Peatty wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:37:34 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
Well, I was about ready to convert; but after this insult I'm
staying an atheist.
Dude, lying is a sin .. even for atheists ..
"Sin" only applies to Christians. Outside Christianity it's an
undefined 3-letter word.
Atheists act like their dictionaries omit the word "sin."
Not at all. It is just a concept that doesn't apply to those outside of
your religion.
Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
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| User: "David D." |
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| Title: Re: Prayer for Douglas E. Berry |
31 Jan 2005 12:18:02 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
George Peatty wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:37:34 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
Well, I was about ready to convert; but after this insult I'm
staying an atheist.
Dude, lying is a sin .. even for atheists ..
"Sin" only applies to Christians. Outside Christianity it's an
undefined 3-letter word.
Atheists act like their dictionaries omit the word "sin."
That not true. They act like the word sin is a religious concept. But
you know that. Or should I say you knew that.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer for Douglas E. Berry |
01 Feb 2005 03:18:03 AM |
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:06:16 GMT, "Dr." Jason Gastrich
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Sin" only applies to Christians. Outside Christianity it's an
undefined 3-letter word.
Atheists act like their dictionaries omit the word "sin."
I've asked it before, but you probably never saw it.
What is a sin?
Is eating cows a sin? According to Hindus it is.
Is eating pork a sin? According to Jews, Muslims and believing xtians
it is.
Is dancing a sin? According to various xtian churches it is.
Over to you.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer for Douglas E. Berry |
31 Jan 2005 07:44:53 PM |
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:06:16 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Atheists act like their dictionaries omit the word "sin."
Since "God" is undefined, doing something against it is undefined, so
"sin" isn't a word.
Some who call themselves "Christian" (such as you) seem to think that
everyone is subject to the rules of their belief.
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If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones
- Carl Sagan, 1987.
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer for Douglas E. Berry |
01 Feb 2005 03:13:54 PM |
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 01:44:53 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
Since "God" is undefined, doing something against it is undefined, so
"sin" isn't a word.
Some who call themselves "Christian" (such as you) seem to think that
everyone is subject to the rules of their belief.
You are, whether you would have it so, or no. You will die, will you not?
Others you've known have died, have they not?
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer for Douglas E. Berry |
02 Feb 2005 11:34:05 PM |
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George Peatty wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 01:44:53 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
Since "God" is undefined, doing something against it is undefined, so
"sin" isn't a word.
This is a strawman argument and very naive.
Who can say that God is undefined? Only one that has never heard of a
theology or doctrinal book. Try reading "Major Bible Themes," by Walvoord.
Regards,
Jason
Some who call themselves "Christian" (such as you) seem to think that
everyone is subject to the rules of their belief.
You are, whether you would have it so, or no. You will die, will you
not? Others you've known have died, have they not?
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 70,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer for Douglas E. Berry |
03 Feb 2005 12:41:38 AM |
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On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 05:34:05 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
George Peatty wrote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 01:44:53 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
Since "God" is undefined, doing something against it is undefined, so
"sin" isn't a word.
This is a strawman argument and very naive.
Who can say that God is undefined?
Define the word, then. ("Omniscient, omnipotent creator of the
universe" is a description, not a definition.)
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you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our
goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by
God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want
pluralism."
-Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue, The News-Sentinel, Fort
Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer for Douglas E. Berry |
01 Feb 2005 06:14:13 PM |
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:13:54 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> said in alt.atheism:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 01:44:53 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
Since "God" is undefined, doing something against it is undefined, so
"sin" isn't a word.
Some who call themselves "Christian" (such as you) seem to think that
everyone is subject to the rules of their belief.
You are
I'm not.
You will die, will you not?
I already have, once. Nothing there led me to believe that your
religion has a clue either.
Others you've known have died, have they not?
I've been there, George - I don't need you or anyone else telling me
what it's like there.
And I'm *not* subject to the incorrect beliefs of your religion.
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"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds
are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her
tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the
existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of
the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
- Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer for Douglas E. Berry |
31 Jan 2005 07:42:51 PM |
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:02:15 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> said in alt.atheism:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:37:34 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
Well, I was about ready to convert; but after this insult I'm staying
an atheist.
Dude, lying is a sin .. even for atheists ..
"Sin" only applies to Christians. Outside Christianity it's an
undefined 3-letter word.
For *all* have sinned and come short of the glory of God ..
Within the confines of your religion. Outside that small area, "sin"
and "God" are just undefined 3-letter strings, so the sentence "For
*all* have <done something> and come short of the glory of
<something>" really doesn't mean much.
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was not born of a virgin."
Cardinal Bellarmine,[1615, during the trial of Galileo]
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer for Douglas E. Berry |
29 Jan 2005 01:10:48 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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LOL! Looks like Gasbag is getting lazy! :)
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:AhGKd.152$BS.57@twister.socal.rr.com...
Please join me in prayer.
Dear Lord,
Save Doug's soul.
In Jesus' name, Amen.
Sincerely,
Jason Gastrich
Wow. From prayers to memos.
Can anyone detect a request in that "prayer"?
I can only see commands.
As well as Jason just assuming he can speak for his Jesus.
Smug arrogance and pride. (Shudder)
Show us how it's done, then.
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer for Douglas E. Berry |
29 Jan 2005 06:34:21 PM |
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"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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LOL! Looks like Gasbag is getting lazy! :)
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:AhGKd.152$BS.57@twister.socal.rr.com...
Please join me in prayer.
Dear Lord,
Save Doug's soul.
In Jesus' name, Amen.
Sincerely,
Jason Gastrich
Wow. From prayers to memos.
Can anyone detect a request in that "prayer"?
I can only see commands.
As well as Jason just assuming he can speak for his Jesus.
Smug arrogance and pride. (Shudder)
Show us how it's done, then.
How what's done? Praying?
I think that it would be best done by not doing it. Why do believers think
their god is stupid or inattentive that it has to be told what to do? They
say they place great stock in the god's plan, yet seek at every opportunity
to make the god change it to suit them. I think if I respected a plan, and
determined that it was perfect, I would not seek to change it.
If you don't pray for stuff, it shows you have respect for the plan.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Uncle Davey" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer for Douglas E. Berry |
30 Jan 2005 05:52:12 PM |
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Użytkownik "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> napisał w wiadomości
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"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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LOL! Looks like Gasbag is getting lazy! :)
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:AhGKd.152$BS.57@twister.socal.rr.com...
Please join me in prayer.
Dear Lord,
Save Doug's soul.
In Jesus' name, Amen.
Sincerely,
Jason Gastrich
Wow. From prayers to memos.
Can anyone detect a request in that "prayer"?
I can only see commands.
As well as Jason just assuming he can speak for his Jesus.
Smug arrogance and pride. (Shudder)
Show us how it's done, then.
How what's done? Praying?
I think that it would be best done by not doing it. Why do believers think
their god is stupid or inattentive that it has to be told what to do? They
say they place great stock in the god's plan, yet seek at every
opportunity
to make the god change it to suit them. I think if I respected a plan, and
determined that it was perfect, I would not seek to change it.
If you don't pray for stuff, it shows you have respect for the plan.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
But part of the plan includes this dialog.
We are told to ask things from god. If we ask amiss, then we receive not, if
we ask aright, then are our prayers answered.
I find that saying not to pray is the best way to pray, and that you should
go with the flow is a bit disingenuous. Have you always accepted God's plan
for your life?
Uncle Davey
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Prayer for Douglas E. Berry |
31 Jan 2005 10:24:35 PM |
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"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
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Użytkownik "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> napisał w wiadomości
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"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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LOL! Looks like Gasbag is getting lazy! :)
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:AhGKd.152$BS.57@twister.socal.rr.com...
Please join me in prayer.
Dear Lord,
Save Doug's soul.
In Jesus' name, Amen.
Sincerely,
Jason Gastrich
Wow. From prayers to memos.
Can anyone detect a request in that "prayer"?
I can only see commands.
As well as Jason just assuming he can speak for his Jesus.
Smug arrogance and pride. (Shudder)
Show us how it's done, then.
How what's done? Praying?
I think that it would be best done by not doing it. Why do believers
think
their god is stupid or inattentive that it has to be told what to do?
They
say they place great stock in the god's plan, yet seek at every
opportunity
to make the god change it to suit them. I think if I respected a plan,
and
determined that it was perfect, I would not seek to change it.
If you don't pray for stuff, it shows you have respect for the plan.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
But part of the plan includes this dialog.
Hence no free will.
We are told to ask things from god. If we ask amiss, then we receive not,
if
we ask aright, then are our prayers answered.
But any way you look at it, you're telling your god what to do, like it's
some sort of idiot.
I find that saying not to pray is the best way to pray, and that you
should
go with the flow is a bit disingenuous.
To do otherwise is insulting.
Have you always accepted God's plan
for your life?
I accept no god, period.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| Title: Re: Prayer for Douglas E. Berry |
29 Jan 2005 01:05:29 PM |
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 07:09:14 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
LOL! Looks like Gasbag is getting lazy! :)
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:AhGKd.152$BS.57@twister.socal.rr.com...
Please join me in prayer.
Dear Lord,
Save Doug's soul.
In Jesus' name, Amen.
Sincerely,
Jason Gastrich
who?
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