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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "T Wake"
Date: 23 Aug 2005 06:41:17 PM
Object: Re: Proof for Supremre Being
Sorry - sent other one by mistake
"T Wake" <taswakeAt@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:...


"David Thomson" <google@volantis.org> wrote in message
news:1124840052.990952.228590@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Not in any other material.


We were never talking about any material to begin with.


No material was stated. You stated the speed of light is invarient
otherwise SR is falsified.

What evidence do you have that a variable speed of light *will* be
fully proven?


The same evidence you have that it will never be fully proven.


The evidence, as it currently stands, tells us that the speed of light
is always the same. I don't have to worry about the future, you do.


There is no worry, either way it makes no different to my thoughts.

Which is why it has no dimensions.


No dimensions means no physical reality. If the fine structure has any
reality at all, it is non-material reality. See, I was right to begin
with.


I never doubted you. The fine structure is simply a way of describing the
relationship between forces. Saying it would ever have a material reality
is like saying the word cousins has a material reality.

There is no proof that the relative strength of the forces
have changed over time. It is merely an interpretation of the data for
physicists who absolutely refuse to accept the explanation of a
non-material Creator of the physical Universe.


Nonsense. If the fine structure constant was different than the
relationship
between your immutable forces was different.


But that's the whole point, isn't it? The fine structure has not been
measured to have changed at any time. You're working from speculation
and not from fact.


Again, although I dislike New Scientist as a reference source this is one
of the first Google.co.uk showed me:

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6092
.

User: "David Thomson"

Title: Re: Proof for Supremre Being 23 Aug 2005 07:06:43 PM

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=3Ddn6092

Come on! One scientist believes alpha was higher, three scientists
prove beyond a doubt that it never changed, and one scientist changed
his mind when he reanalyzed the data.
The article clearly spells out that there are serious ramifications for
Einstein's theory of Special Relativity. Are you prepared to finally
agree with everyone on these newsgroups who said Einstein was wrong?
If the speed of light is variable, then the micro tiny time adjustments
to GPS satellites attributed to SR will have been shown to be a farce.
And then there is the idea that they *****-u-me that any change to alpha
will apply to the speed of light and not to the other constants.
--> Before Lamoreaux's Oklo study can count in favour of any varying
alpha theory,
--> there are some issues to be addressed. For one, the exact
conditions at Oklo
--> are not known. Nuclear reactions run at different rates depending
on the
--> temperature of the reactor, which Lamoreaux assumed was between 227
and 527=B0C.=20
You would shake the foundations of physics for this?
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