Re: Psst, the establishment clause is really secret code!


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Date: 22 Aug 2005 05:30:23 AM
Object: Re: Psst, the establishment clause is really secret code!
"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:

:|buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
:|> "fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
:|>
:|> >:|Jefferson was simply explaining that crooks are going to interpret the
:|> >:|laws any way they want to as evidenced by the way that separationists
:|> >:|read absolute church/state separation into the establishment clause.
:|>
:|> Ahem,
:|> The Establishment Clause didn't separate church and state. That was
:|> accomplished in the unamended constitution.
:|> All the religious clauses of the BORs did was to reinforced that
:|> separation
:|
:|You evidently cannot read anything objectively.

I don't pay much attention to anything you post.

:|
:|SHOW ME where I said that the establishment clause separated church and
:|state. I've been saying until I'm blue in the face that the
:|establishment clause helps to describe the kinds of laws that Congress
:|is prohibited from writing.

What you say is totally irrelevant.
I see no evidence at all in anything you post or have posted that leads me
to conclude you are any kind of informed person that anyone should lend any
credibility or credence to on the topics you post on.
Your use of Keyes as your authority speaks volumes about where you are
coming from and what you are about
"Fred says" is the same tripe one can find coming from any ultra
conservative, ultra libertarian, radical religious right theocratic source.
Your Jefferson quoties do not impress me, in many ways Jefferson was
brilliant but in other ways he was as human and as incorrect as any other
person. He had a view of America that was unrealistic in some areas.
I see you as a radical religious right theocratic troll. I don't see where
you are winning many converts. I am sure others of your ilk love your
trolling while those who know better don't pay you much mind. I don't see
many, if any in between those two camps flocking to your side/
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You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members]
For people in Hampton Roads area of Virginia you are also invited to join
NORFOLK/VA. B. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE MEETUP GROUP
http://churchandstate.meetup.com/47/
Virginia Chapter Americans United for Separation of Church and State
http://au-va.org/
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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