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Re: Psycho or Doubter of Your God's Morality? was Re: QUESTIONS FOREVERYONE ..... |
Giant Fool <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:42:26 GMT, "Dichard Rawkins"
<God?JustSayNo@large.com> you decided to say:
In message <SrDUg.26$yX5.13@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Dichard Rawkins" <God?JustSayNo@large.com> wrote:
You can't run away from the fact that "free will" does not explain why it is
[moral and the epitome of goodness] to sit back and do nothing to prevent child
rapes, torture, murder and other such sick tragedies that any sane, sympathetic
human would try to prevent. If you saw a crime in progress and you had the
power to interfere and stop the perpetuation of that crime, would you stop
yourself and say, "No, I had better not interfere to stop this crime, because
that would interfere with the free will of the criminal."?
If you say "yes" you are an insensitive ***** with no decency or common sympathy
for others, and probably a psychopath. If you say "No" you directly contradict
the morality of the god that does nothing in that same scenario. So the choice
is your's. Are you a psychopath or a doubter of your own God's morality?
Answer the question, for once, instead of pretending as Christians so often do,
that you've answered all "serious" questions.
And yet, they don't.
Plenty of people work to prevent such tragedies, thus proving their moral
superiority to the imaginary Christian god that does nothing.
Why don't you face the facts. You want God to clean up your
messes.
Nope. Children getting raped, tortured and murdered is not my mess. I have
nothing to do with it, and only a fool would think otherwise.
You want a false god, who lets you do whatever you
want and then when you mess up, you want to blame him
for the mess that you left behind. You're an immature little
child who wants mommy to run behind you with a wetnap,
to keep catching the mess that you leave behind, even when
you've grown up. And if mommy doesn't do that, then she
must be a bad mother. That is what you're describing.
Nope, we are talking about a concept of god that is sick and perverted, yet
held up by people like you as the height of morality and goodness. You can't
pretend that those of us that see through the empty facade that is the
Christian god are just an "immature little child" wanting to be coddled. In
fact, that you would equate saving the lives and innocence of little children
with providing a "mommy to run behind you with a wetnap" shows that you are
indeed lacking in even the most basic human sympathy, and unable to grasp the
simple logical difference between "self" and "others" [I am not the children
whose rape, torture and murder I am decrying, nor the ones that are doing the
raping, torturing and murdering]. Your religion has decimated whatever morality
and decency you might have once possessed, your alleged "savior" has raped your
mind and left nothing intact, your "holy spirit" haunts an empty soul.
Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions!
I did. That is why I am not a Christian anymore. I can not believe in a lie,
like Christianity, because it is irresponsible to believe in a lie.
And if you want to know why the world is the way it is,
then look in the damn mirror and you'll find your answer!
The world is not the way it is because of me or anything I can do or have done.
Looking in a mirror answers nothing about why such terrible tragedies occur in
a universe supposedly created by an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent
being, who allegedly loves mankind. I am not that god, I did not create this
universe, I do not control the factors that could distract little children away
from pedophiles lying in wait. But, if your god actually existed, he would fit
that bill. He would be responsible for the state of the universe, because he
would have made the damn thing, and would have had the power to change it into
anything he wanted it to be, at any point in the process.
Now, I know you were just parroting the party line in which you were trained by
Christianity. You were told that the universe is messed up because of human
"sinfulness", and were told that this was allowed by god because he did not
want robots, and you bought this argument without really thinking it all the
way through. The problem is that it was a lie. Christianity is just one lie
after another after another, just as Thomas Paine said.
The fact is that it is entirely possible to interfere with criminals without
ruining or destroying the free will of humanity. Police do it all the time, so
do citizens that do their part to fight crime. So, don't give us the tired old
canard that this world is messed up because human beings were given free will
and now God is unable to fix it without us losing our free will. Surely if your
god existed, he would be able to at least do what cops and citizens
occasionally do with regard to evil in their midst. Indeed, if your god existed
and really was GOOD, he would be doing those things necessary to prevent evil.
But these things happen, because there is nobody good minding the universe.
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Giant Waffle
If you wish to be rude, or to play games, go find a mirror
and see if the person you see there would appreciate it.
And if the person you find in that mirror wouldn't, then
you know why I have ended my conversation with you.
Rather, I have chosen to ignore and forget you, at least
until you learn some common decency and respect.
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***Free Your Mind***
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| Title: Re: Psycho or Doubter of Your God's Morality? was Re: QUESTIONS FOR EVERYONE ..... |
04 Oct 2006 02:52:46 PM |
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"Dichard Rawkins" <God?JustSayNo@large.com> wrote in
news:e0HUg.43$GH5.2@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com:
Giant Fool <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
<te76i2ttk0ancato4cgpphfhqiqu7nn97g@4ax.com>
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:42:26 GMT, "Dichard Rawkins"
<God?JustSayNo@large.com> you decided to say:
In message <SrDUg.26$yX5.13@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Dichard Rawkins"
<God?JustSayNo@large.com> wrote:
*snip* for brevity
You want a false god, who lets you do whatever you
want and then when you mess up, you want to blame him
for the mess that you left behind. You're an immature little
child who wants mommy to run behind you with a wetnap,
to keep catching the mess that you leave behind, even when
you've grown up. And if mommy doesn't do that, then she
must be a bad mother. That is what you're describing.
Nope, we are talking about a concept of god that is sick and
perverted, yet held up by people like you as the height of morality
and goodness. You can't pretend that those of us that see through the
empty facade that is the Christian god are just an "immature little
child" wanting to be coddled. In fact, that you would equate saving
the lives and innocence of little children with providing a "mommy to
run behind you with a wetnap" shows that you are indeed lacking in
even the most basic human sympathy, and unable to grasp the simple
logical difference between "self" and "others" [I am not the children
whose rape, torture and murder I am decrying, nor the ones that are
doing the raping, torturing and murdering]. Your religion has
decimated whatever morality and decency you might have once possessed,
your alleged "savior" has raped your mind and left nothing intact,
your "holy spirit" haunts an empty soul.
You have accurately described the not-so-giant waffler....an empty soul.
Thank you.
Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions!
I did. That is why I am not a Christian anymore. I can not believe in
a lie, like Christianity, because it is irresponsible to believe in a
lie.
Christianity, in all it flavors, has become a monolith of distortions,
agendized accretions, myths, and fabrications.
And if you want to know why the world is the way it is,
then look in the damn mirror and you'll find your answer!
The world is not the way it is because of me or anything I can do or
have done. Looking in a mirror answers nothing about why such terrible
tragedies occur in a universe supposedly created by an omnipotent,
omniscient, omnibenevolent being, who allegedly loves mankind.
Terrible tragedies, whether man created or nature created, happen....no
direction or no intervention by god.
I am
not that god, I did not create this universe, I do not control the
factors that could distract little children away from pedophiles lying
in wait. But, if your god actually existed, he would fit that bill. He
would be responsible for the state of the universe, because he would
have made the damn thing, and would have had the power to change it
into anything he wanted it to be, at any point in the process.
Now, I know you were just parroting the party line in which you were
trained by Christianity. You were told that the universe is messed up
because of human "sinfulness", and were told that this was allowed by
god because he did not want robots, and you bought this argument
without really thinking it all the way through. The problem is that it
was a lie. Christianity is just one lie after another after another,
just as Thomas Paine said.
Sin, as defined by religion, does not exist.
The fact is that it is entirely possible to interfere with criminals
without ruining or destroying the free will of humanity. Police do it
all the time, so do citizens that do their part to fight crime. So,
don't give us the tired old canard that this world is messed up
because human beings were given free will and now God is unable to fix
it without us losing our free will. Surely if your god existed, he
would be able to at least do what cops and citizens occasionally do
with regard to evil in their midst. Indeed, if your god existed and
really was GOOD, he would be doing those things necessary to prevent
evil. But these things happen, because there is nobody good minding
the universe.
Nobody is minding the universe....exactly. Humans are responsible for
their own decisions and actions; blaming god for them is inane.
Pangur - nonchristian theist
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| User: "Giant Waffle" |
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| Title: Re: Psycho or Doubter of Your God's Morality? was Re: QUESTIONS FOR EVERYONE ..... |
04 Oct 2006 04:55:21 AM |
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 04:46:02 GMT, "Dichard Rawkins"
<God?JustSayNo@large.com> you decided to say:
Giant Fool
You have proved in the first line, that you are full of hate
and have nothing useful to say. But thanks for proving
that it is atheists that are full of love toward their fellow
man. Goodbye.
__
Giant Waffle
If you wish to be rude, or to play games, go find a mirror
and see if the person you see there would appreciate it.
And if the person you find in that mirror wouldn't, then
you know why I have ended my conversation with you.
Rather, I have chosen to ignore and forget you, at least
until you learn some common decency and respect.
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| User: "Dichard Rawkins" |
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| Title: Re: Psycho or Doubter of Your God's Morality? was Re: QUESTIONS FOREVERYONE ..... |
04 Oct 2006 05:36:58 AM |
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In message <e0HUg.43$GH5.2@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Dichard Rawkins"
<God?JustSayNo@large.com> wrote:
Giant Fool <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
<te76i2ttk0ancato4cgpphfhqiqu7nn97g@4ax.com>
that you've answered all "serious" questions.
And yet, they don't.
Plenty of people work to prevent such tragedies, thus proving their moral
superiority to the imaginary Christian god that does nothing.
Why don't you face the facts. You want God to clean up your
messes.
Nope. Children getting raped, tortured and murdered is not my mess. I have
nothing to do with it, and only a fool would think otherwise.
to keep catching the mess that you leave behind, even when
you've grown up. And if mommy doesn't do that, then she
must be a bad mother. That is what you're describing.
Nope, we are talking about a concept of god that is sick and perverted, yet
held up by people like you as the height of morality and goodness. You can't
pretend that those of us that see through the empty facade that is the
Christian god are just an "immature little child" wanting to be coddled. In
fact, that you would equate saving the lives and innocence of little children
with providing a "mommy to run behind you with a wetnap" shows that you are
indeed lacking in even the most basic human sympathy, and unable to grasp the
simple logical difference between "self" and "others" [I am not the children
whose rape, torture and murder I am decrying, nor the ones that are doing the
raping, torturing and murdering]. Your religion has decimated whatever morality
and decency you might have once possessed, your alleged "savior" has raped your
mind and left nothing intact, your "holy spirit" haunts an empty soul.
Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions!
I did. That is why I am not a Christian anymore. I can not believe in a lie,
like Christianity, because it is irresponsible to believe in a lie.
And if you want to know why the world is the way it is,
then look in the damn mirror and you'll find your answer!
The world is not the way it is because of me or anything I can do or have done.
Looking in a mirror answers nothing about why such terrible tragedies occur in
a universe supposedly created by an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent
being, who allegedly loves mankind. I am not that god, I did not create this
universe, I do not control the factors that could distract little children away
from pedophiles lying in wait. But, if your god actually existed, he would fit
that bill. He would be responsible for the state of the universe, because he
would have made the damn thing, and would have had the power to change it into
anything he wanted it to be, at any point in the process.
Now, I know you were just parroting the party line in which you were trained by
Christianity. You were told that the universe is messed up because of human
"sinfulness", and were told that this was allowed by god because he did not
want robots, and you bought this argument without really thinking it all the
way through. The problem is that it was a lie. Christianity is just one lie
after another after another, just as Thomas Paine said.
The fact is that it is entirely possible to interfere with criminals without
ruining or destroying the free will of humanity. Police do it all the time, so
do citizens that do their part to fight crime. So, don't give us the tired old
canard that this world is messed up because human beings were given free will
and now God is unable to fix it without us losing our free will. Surely if your
god existed, he would be able to at least do what cops and citizens
occasionally do with regard to evil in their midst. Indeed, if your god existed
and really was GOOD, he would be doing those things necessary to prevent evil.
But these things happen, because there is nobody good minding the universe.
TO WHICH THERE WAS THIS REPLY:
Giant Waffle <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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You have proved in the first line, that you are full of hate
and have nothing useful to say. But thanks for proving
that it is atheists that are full of love toward their fellow
man. Goodbye.
I didn't think Giant Waffle, or any Christian for that matter, had any real
answers, but I was willing to give him a chance to prove me wrong. I have yet
to find a single Christian that doesn't cut and run after the first real
challenges are leveled at their lies. It doesn't matter if you are polite or
not in your questions. You can try polite civil intellectual discussion, but
they'll just feign insult (after hurling much worse insults than they feign
receiving) or find some other excuse to duck out. Maybe that is because they
know deep down that they are being unethical and immoral just by being
Christians.
Might as well do what SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim does. The response would be the
same, but at least it would be more fun in some ways.
--
***Free Your Mind***
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