Religions > Atheism > Re: Public schools can teach pros, cons of evolution, creationism and intelligent design.
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10 Oct 2005 07:42:34 AM |
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Re: Public schools can teach pros, cons of evolution, creationism and intelligent design. |
"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
:|Clyde Frog wrote:
:|> fred wrote..., On 08/14/2005 19:01:
:|> > Finally, I will admit that separationists are not entirely without
:|> > justification for their paranoia of religion, but more specifically
:|> > bully pulpit preachers. For example, note that while the Constitution
:|> > prohibits laws that say that people cannot pray in public, Matthew
:|> > 6:5-7 shows that Jesus taught his followers not to pray in public
:|> > anyway. So regardless if there are no federal or state laws which
:|> > prohibit public school led public prayer, Jesus himself put limits on
:|> > public prayer for Christians. But the fact that there are "Christians"
:|> > who literally disobey Jesus' teachings/commands by shoving public
:|> > school prayer down everybody's throats shows that the bully pulpit
:|> > preachers that separationists despise are real. Again, the 14th
:|> > Amendment prohibits bully pulpit preachers from pirating the unique
:|> > powers of the states to abridge the federal rights of US citizens. But
:|> > separationists don't understand this and are not letting the
:|> > Constitution do its job correctly.
:|>
:|> I have nothing but contempt for xianity, but thank you so much for
:|> pointing out that passage.
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:|Fortunately, Jefferson was able to see through the hypocrisy of bully
:|pulpit preachers with respect to Christianity:
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:|"The Christian religion, when divested of the rags in which they [the
:|clergy] have enveloped it, and brought to the original purity and
:|simplicity of it's benevolent institutor, is a religion of all others
:|most friendly to liberty, science, and the freest expansion of the
:|human mind." --Thomas Jefferson to Moses Robinson, 1801. ME 10:237
:|
Jefferson wasn't a porthodox Christian. He was a combinate Deisat
Unitarian, hiw own sect
You really don't know very much about Jefferson.
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| User: "Jeffrae" |
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| Title: Re: Public schools can teach pros, cons of evolution, creationism and intelligent design. |
31 Oct 2005 09:35:04 PM |
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I have been doing some searching on the Spaghetti Monster..
I have to say that it is just as true as the creation crap.
Bobby is a genius to come up with this and mail it to a school board!!
:)
I think that we may need to revert to this educational Model.
http://snarfix.bravehost.com/edu.html
Jeffrae
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| User: "fred" |
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| Title: Re: Public schools can teach pros, cons of evolution, creationism and intelligent design. |
02 Nov 2005 02:24:46 PM |
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Jeffrae wrote:
I have been doing some searching on the Spaghetti Monster..
I have to say that it is just as true as the creation crap.
Bobby is a genius to come up with this and mail it to a school board!!
:)
I think that we may need to revert to this educational Model.
http://snarfix.bravehost.com/edu.html
Jeffrae
Given the 10th Amendment reserved for the States the power to legislate
religion, the Spaghetti Monster is ultimately an issue for the voters
to decide.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Public schools can teach pros, cons of evolution, creationism and intelligent design. |
02 Nov 2005 09:02:24 PM |
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"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
Given the 10th Amendment reserved for the States the power to legislate
religion, the Spaghetti Monster is ultimately an issue for the voters
to decide.
Reality is not subject to a vote.
lojbab
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lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
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