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27 Apr 2005 10:18:03 AM |
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Re: QUESTIONS FOR NON-CHRISTIANS |
"Frankie Lee" <S9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
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1,Do you know what happen to you after death?
Nope.
If you do not know where you will go after death,and Christian can confirm
to you what would be your destiny,is there any reason to not accept their
version of truths?
The only way I'd buy it would be if they could provide objective, verifiable
evidence.
2, Do you know that there is a God?
Of course not.
If you are an atheist,and do not know God,naturally you need to enquire
those who know God.
No, I need objective, verifiable evidence this god exists.
3,What happen to people who died without the saviour Lord Jesus to catch
them when they are plunge into eternity?
They're dead.
We,the Christians,do no surmise,guess or speculate as to what will happen
to
non-christian when they die.We know and is sure that they will end up in
Hell and be tormented.The prospect is a horrible one,and the time span is
all eternity.
Please provide objective, verifiable evidence that hell exists and this will
happen.
We do not bluff,but speak the truths.
See above.
4,Why human suffer,in agony,in sickness and pain?
This doesn't happen to everyone. ***** happens.
We know it is a prelude to a greater sufferings after death.We do not
guess
or speculate.
See my comment about providing objective, verifiable evidence.
5, Who can you trust with your soul,for all Eternity?
Please prove the soul exists.
Yourself? Some great men,whom you called leaders?Your belief that it will
become nothingness?Charles Darwin?
See above.
The bible says:The whole world is in the hands of the god of this
world,the
Devil,and is seeking for people to devour.
So? There's no objective verifiable evidence that the bible is true or that
this devil character exists. Consequently, no reason to take it seriously.
Jesus declared that He came to save,and give abundantly life.By not
choosing
Jesus,and begging Him for mercy, one stay in sins and stay condemned.
See my above comments about providing objective, verifiable evidence.
Anytime you're ready.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Bride of Satan
#1557
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| User: "Just Mark" |
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02 May 2005 07:59:39 AM |
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"jw @yahoo.com>" <j w<no> wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:56:27 GMT, "Just Mark"
<neverassumeyouknow@yahoo.com> wrote:
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"jw @yahoo.com>" <j w<no> wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:44:00 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:28:02 -0700, jw <j w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:18:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
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"Frankie Lee" <S9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:d4o5g8$nct$1@reader01.singnet.com.sg...
1,Do you know what happen to you after death?
Nope.
If you do not know where you will go after death,and Christian can
confirm
to you what would be your destiny,is there any reason to not
accept
their
version of truths?
The only way I'd buy it would be if they could provide objective,
verifiable
evidence.
Nope. There is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for
None of which you liars ever provide.
When you start off by lying and calling me a liar, you don't exactly
encourage further discussion.
In other words, you're using the insult as a convenient excuse to dodge
the
issue.
Do you really think nobody here sees through this ploy? Most of us
stopped
using the same tactic in 5th grade.
JM
When you start off by lying and calling me a liar, and then insulting
me, you don't exactly
encourage further discussion.
And since you chose to use a silly example, I will use a rational,
adult one.
Which silly example did *I* use?
My point was that you've changed the subject. It's just a dodge. You have
no evidence....if you did, then you'd at least post it on the web
someplace....then, you could link to it in a message here...you wouldn't
have to re-post it 20 times a day, as I've heard you complain in other
threads. But I contend that you have no objective, verifiable evidence, and
so you dodge the question by complaining about the way you're being treated.
The simple solution to that problem is to frequent another ng. Couldn't be
easier to handle, really.
You come up to me with a rock, a large one. You hit me up side the
head, and then as I lay bleeding and dazed on the ground, you say, "
Now that I have your attention, I wanted to ask you a question."
If you don't come to me with respect for me and my beliefs (whether
you agree or not), don't bother.
.....physician, heal thyself....(you DO know that's in your Bible...right?)
You do realize that nobody in alt.atheism came to you; right? You're coming
here, hitting people "upside the head", being disrespectful -- whether you
agree or not -- and then you have the balls to complain that you're being
mistreated? It's laughable, John. Read the ng charter....you'll find that
preaching and proselytizing is unwelcomed, and those who engage in it "will
be treated accordingly".
Scram kid.
Just Mark
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: QUESTIONS FOR NON-CHRISTIANS |
28 Apr 2005 11:20:43 AM |
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on 27 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, jw <j w dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:44:00 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:28:02 -0700, jw <j w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:18:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
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"Frankie Lee" <S9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:d4o5g8$nct$1@reader01.singnet.com.sg...
1,Do you know what happen to you after death?
Nope.
If you do not know where you will go after death,and Christian can
confirm to you what would be your destiny,is there any reason to
not accept their version of truths?
The only way I'd buy it would be if they could provide objective,
verifiable evidence.
Nope. There is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for
None of which you liars ever provide.
When you start off by lying and calling me a liar, you don't exactly
encourage further discussion.
poor baby.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "jw j" |
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| Title: Re: QUESTIONS FOR NON-CHRISTIANS |
30 Apr 2005 08:38:59 AM |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:20:43 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
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on 27 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, jw <j w dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:44:00 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:28:02 -0700, jw <j w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:18:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
"Frankie Lee" <S9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:d4o5g8$nct$1@reader01.singnet.com.sg...
1,Do you know what happen to you after death?
Nope.
If you do not know where you will go after death,and Christian can
confirm to you what would be your destiny,is there any reason to
not accept their version of truths?
The only way I'd buy it would be if they could provide objective,
verifiable evidence.
Nope. There is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for
None of which you liars ever provide.
When you start off by lying and calling me a liar, you don't exactly
encourage further discussion.
poor baby.
Was that ad hominem intended to encourage me to engage you?
Didn't.
jw
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| User: "Kate " |
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27 Apr 2005 02:53:03 PM |
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:28:02 -0700, jw <j w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:18:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
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"Frankie Lee" <S9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:d4o5g8$nct$1@reader01.singnet.com.sg...
1,Do you know what happen to you after death?
Nope.
If you do not know where you will go after death,and Christian can confirm
to you what would be your destiny,is there any reason to not accept their
version of truths?
The only way I'd buy it would be if they could provide objective, verifiable
evidence.
Nope. There is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for
Christianity. You do not believe for two reasons:
1. you choose to not believe.
If you think you have a choice about believing something, then you
don't believe it either.
2. there are moral choices you'd Ave to make that you refuse to make
The moral choice is not to lie to yourself. Didn't your momma teach
you that?
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| User: "jw j" |
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30 Apr 2005 08:34:13 AM |
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On 27 Apr 2005 14:53:03 -0500, (Kate ) wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:28:02 -0700, jw <j w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:18:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
"Frankie Lee" <S9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:d4o5g8$nct$1@reader01.singnet.com.sg...
1,Do you know what happen to you after death?
Nope.
If you do not know where you will go after death,and Christian can confirm
to you what would be your destiny,is there any reason to not accept their
version of truths?
The only way I'd buy it would be if they could provide objective, verifiable
evidence.
Nope. There is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for
Christianity. You do not believe for two reasons:
1. you choose to not believe.
If you think you have a choice about believing something, then you
don't believe it either.
Now you are being just plain silly.
2. there are moral choices you'd Ave to make that you refuse to make
The moral choice is not to lie to yourself. Didn't your momma teach
you that?
Now you are being just plain silly.
jw
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| User: "James" |
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27 Apr 2005 05:30:24 PM |
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jw <j w wrote:
<snip>
Please provide objective, verifiable proof that YOU exist.
<snip>
Cogito.
--
James B, master of the tri-pronged scrotal mount
aa #944
"All that belongs to human understanding, in this
deep ignorance and obscurity, is to be skeptical,
or at least cautious; and not to admit of any
hypothesis, whatsoever; much less, of any which
is supported by no appearance of probability."
-David Hume
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| User: "Jez" |
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01 May 2005 07:16:28 AM |
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jw <j w wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:18:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
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"Frankie Lee" <S9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:d4o5g8$nct$1@reader01.singnet.com.sg...
1,Do you know what happen to you after death?
Nope.
If you do not know where you will go after death,and Christian can confirm
to you what would be your destiny,is there any reason to not accept their
version of truths?
The only way I'd buy it would be if they could provide objective, verifiable
evidence.
Nope. There is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for
Christianity.
Yeah, Christianity exists, but God doesn't.
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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27 Apr 2005 01:46:19 PM |
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jw wrote:
Nope. There is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for
Christianity.
Please show some of this evidence.
You do not believe for two reasons:
1. you choose to not believe.
2. there are moral choices you'd Ave to make that you refuse to make
True. If I became like you, I would have to stop respecting other
people's rights to believe whatever they wanted. I'd be choosing to
become less moral.
Why not? How much time/energy have you spent seeking Him?
If god exists everywhere in the universe, then he should be right here
in front of me as well. I don't see him.
Why? Do you have objective, verifiable evidence when you turn the
key
in your car that it will start? You do you have objective,
verifiable
evidence that when you get into your car, that you will arrive safely
at your final destination?
On a couple occasions, I turned the key and the car DIDN'T start. I
guess faith isn't worth very much. Is it?
When you don't have concrete evidence for the above, why do you
INSIST
on taking chances on eternity?
We aren't taking any more chances than you are. Pascal's Wager is a
farce because it assumes that the god of Christianity is the only
possible god. Where do you think that you will end up if Islam turns
out to be true? Or any of the thousands of religions that have been
practiced throughout history? What if there is a god that likes
atheists and hates people who take things on faith? Do you ever bother
thinking about this stuff before you post it?
And do you understand that you're betting your very life on that
view?
And suppose you're wrong? Are you truly willing to take a chance on
waking up in hell if you're wrong? IF the Christian is wrong, we lose
NOTHING.
If YOU are wrong, you lose EVERYTHING.
As I said above, your being wrong doesn't guarantee that you won't go
to hell.
On the infinitly small chance that your god actually exists, we don't
lose everything. We get to keep our integrity by not cowtowing to a god
that is so evil, sadistic, and egomaniacal that he would torture
someone for all eternity simply because that person didn't worship and
fear him with absolutly no evidence whatsoever that the god even
exists.
Please provide objective, verifiable proof that YOU exist.
Well someone is typing these words, aren't they?
You are very childish.
Excuse me? We aren't the ones who believe in fairy tales.
You choose to play Russian roulette with your
eternal soul.
Try showing evidence for a soul, eternal or otherwise, before using
that argument.
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| User: "jw j" |
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30 Apr 2005 08:25:48 AM |
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On 27 Apr 2005 11:46:19 -0700, "Conspiracy of Doves"
<mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
jw wrote:
Nope. There is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for
Christianity.
Please show some of this evidence.
AGAIN, game player, I have typed in evidences dozens of times. I will
not type it 20 times every day merely to amuse the likes of you, when
you aren't sincere to begin with.
Believe it or not, I TRULY have better things to do.
If you are sincerely looking for proof of God and proof of
Christianity, I assure you you can find TONS of it on the web.
Two good places to start:
www.gty.org
www.intouch.org
jw
You do not believe for two reasons:
1. you choose to not believe.
2. there are moral choices you'd Ave to make that you refuse to make
True. If I became like you, I would have to stop respecting other
people's rights to believe whatever they wanted. I'd be choosing to
become less moral.
Why not? How much time/energy have you spent seeking Him?
If god exists everywhere in the universe, then he should be right here
in front of me as well. I don't see him.
Why? Do you have objective, verifiable evidence when you turn the
key
in your car that it will start? You do you have objective,
verifiable
evidence that when you get into your car, that you will arrive safely
at your final destination?
On a couple occasions, I turned the key and the car DIDN'T start. I
guess faith isn't worth very much. Is it?
When you don't have concrete evidence for the above, why do you
INSIST
on taking chances on eternity?
We aren't taking any more chances than you are. Pascal's Wager is a
farce because it assumes that the god of Christianity is the only
possible god. Where do you think that you will end up if Islam turns
out to be true? Or any of the thousands of religions that have been
practiced throughout history? What if there is a god that likes
atheists and hates people who take things on faith? Do you ever bother
thinking about this stuff before you post it?
And do you understand that you're betting your very life on that
view?
And suppose you're wrong? Are you truly willing to take a chance on
waking up in hell if you're wrong? IF the Christian is wrong, we lose
NOTHING.
If YOU are wrong, you lose EVERYTHING.
As I said above, your being wrong doesn't guarantee that you won't go
to hell.
On the infinitly small chance that your god actually exists, we don't
lose everything. We get to keep our integrity by not cowtowing to a god
that is so evil, sadistic, and egomaniacal that he would torture
someone for all eternity simply because that person didn't worship and
fear him with absolutly no evidence whatsoever that the god even
exists.
Please provide objective, verifiable proof that YOU exist.
Well someone is typing these words, aren't they?
You are very childish.
Excuse me? We aren't the ones who believe in fairy tales.
You choose to play Russian roulette with your
eternal soul.
Try showing evidence for a soul, eternal or otherwise, before using
that argument.
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30 Apr 2005 01:20:21 PM |
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jw <j w wrote:
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On 27 Apr 2005 11:46:19 -0700, "Conspiracy of Doves"
<mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
jw wrote:
Nope. There is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for
Christianity.
Please show some of this evidence.
AGAIN, game player, I have typed in evidences dozens of times. I will
not type it 20 times every day merely to amuse the likes of you, when
you aren't sincere to begin with.
Believe it or not, I TRULY have better things to do.
If you are sincerely looking for proof of God and proof of
Christianity, I assure you you can find TONS of it on the web.
Two good places to start:
www.gty.org
www.intouch.org
Yeah, to bad they provide exactly the same amount of objective evidence
as everyone else.
None.
Ergo, there ain't no gods, yours included. To bad you suckers have yet
to figure out the difference between mythology and reality. Reality is
much more enjoyable.
But then again, empty headed people, do seem to enjoy following empty
promises.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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30 Apr 2005 09:18:15 AM |
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jw wrote:
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On 27 Apr 2005 11:46:19 -0700, "Conspiracy of Doves"
<mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
jw wrote:
Nope. There is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for
Christianity.
Please show some of this evidence.
AGAIN, game player, I have typed in evidences dozens of times. I will
not type it 20 times every day merely to amuse the likes of you, when
you aren't sincere to begin with.
Believe it or not, I TRULY have better things to do.
If you are sincerely looking for proof of God and proof of
Christianity, I assure you you can find TONS of it on the web.
Two good places to start:
www.gty.org
Funny. I can find lots of explaining-away of evidence that he doesn't
exist:
http://www.gty.org/bible_faqs/bible_content.php?qa=sufferings.htm
http://www.gty.org/bible_faqs/bible_content.php?qa=distant.htm
....the usual circular arguments:
http://www.gty.org/bible_faqs/bible_content.php?qa=inspired.htm
....but nothing that actually constitutes evidence.
www.intouch.org
I guess if there's any evidence on this site, it ought to be on the page
that discusses doubt:
http://www.intouch.org/myintouch/exploring/promises/doubt_93907.html
The first one is a blatant lie, the rest are just baseless assertions.
Still no evidence, though.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "James" |
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02 May 2005 01:21:35 PM |
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Kevin Anthoney wrote:
Funny. I can find lots of explaining-away of evidence that he doesn't
exist:
http://www.gty.org/bible_faqs/bible_content.php?qa=sufferings.htm
http://www.gty.org/bible_faqs/bible_content.php?qa=distant.htm
Wow, what a crock of *****. Surely you have to be spoonfed this crap
since birth to believe it! I've spent a lot of time reading about
religion, but this is pure and utter word diarrhea by any standards.
...the usual circular arguments:
http://www.gty.org/bible_faqs/bible_content.php?qa=inspired.htm
...but nothing that actually constitutes evidence.
So this is what passes for evidence nowdays, jw?
--
James B, master of the tri-pronged scrotal mount
aa #944
"All that belongs to human understanding, in this
deep ignorance and obscurity, is to be skeptical,
or at least cautious; and not to admit of any
hypothesis, whatsoever; much less, of any which
is supported by no appearance of probability."
-David Hume
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| User: "William T. Goat" |
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27 Apr 2005 02:23:31 PM |
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jw wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:18:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
"Frankie Lee" <S9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:d4o5g8$nct$1@reader01.singnet.com.sg...
1,Do you know what happen to you after death?
Nope.
If you do not know where you will go after death,and Christian can
confirm
to you what would be your destiny,is there any reason to not
accept their
version of truths?
The only way I'd buy it would be if they could provide objective,
verifiable
evidence.
Nope. There is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for
Christianity. You do not believe for two reasons:
1. you choose to not believe.
2. there are moral choices you'd Ave to make that you refuse to make
3. The Bible talks about dragons, unicorns, and satyrs, as if they were
real. Therefore, the Bible is fiction.
Do you believe in dragons, unicorns, and satyrs?
--Billy
Isaiah 43:20 "The beasts of the field shall honor me, the dragons and
the ostriches: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in
the desert, to give to drink to my people, my chosen."
Isaiah 34:7 "And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the
bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and
their dust made fat with fatness."
Isaiah 13:21 "But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their
houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there,
and satyrs shall dance there."
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| User: "jw j" |
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30 Apr 2005 08:29:08 AM |
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On 27 Apr 2005 12:23:31 -0700, "William T. Goat"
<ericvonl@my-deja.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
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jw wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:18:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
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"Frankie Lee" <S9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
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1,Do you know what happen to you after death?
Nope.
If you do not know where you will go after death,and Christian can
confirm
to you what would be your destiny,is there any reason to not
accept their
version of truths?
The only way I'd buy it would be if they could provide objective,
verifiable
evidence.
Nope. There is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for
Christianity. You do not believe for two reasons:
1. you choose to not believe.
2. there are moral choices you'd Ave to make that you refuse to make
3. The Bible talks about dragons, unicorns, and satyrs, as if they were
real. Therefore, the Bible is fiction.
I have never seen a single reference to a dragon, or to a satyr.
I HAVE read about historical places, however, like Egypt, Jerusalem,
Bethlehem.
And I have read about a church that Paul built in Ephesus (it was
called "Efes" in his time).
Then during my military tour of duty, I found myself leaning on the
very church Paul built some 40 years after the death of Christ, just
like the book of Ephesians said.
The Mt of Olives is right where the Bible puts it, and the hill of
Golgotha (the place of the skull) is where the Bible puts it as well.
jw
Do you believe in dragons, unicorns, and satyrs?
--Billy
Isaiah 43:20 "The beasts of the field shall honor me, the dragons and
the ostriches: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in
the desert, to give to drink to my people, my chosen."
Isaiah 34:7 "And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the
bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and
their dust made fat with fatness."
Isaiah 13:21 "But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their
houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there,
and satyrs shall dance there."
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30 Apr 2005 08:33:15 AM |
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On 27 Apr 2005 12:23:31 -0700, "William T. Goat"
<ericvonl@my-deja.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
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jw wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:18:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
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"Frankie Lee" <S9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:d4o5g8$nct$1@reader01.singnet.com.sg...
1,Do you know what happen to you after death?
Nope.
If you do not know where you will go after death,and Christian can
confirm
to you what would be your destiny,is there any reason to not
accept their
version of truths?
The only way I'd buy it would be if they could provide objective,
verifiable
evidence.
Nope. There is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for
Christianity. You do not believe for two reasons:
1. you choose to not believe.
2. there are moral choices you'd Ave to make that you refuse to make
3. The Bible talks about dragons, unicorns, and satyrs, as if they were
real. Therefore, the Bible is fiction.
My apologies. I just found the reference to "dragons" in the KJV,
which I don't normally use.
And since neither of us knows what sort of animal was meant, and since
hundreds of species become extinct each year, it is a
presumption/arrogance on your part to believe that this was a
reference to an imaginary animal.
likewise the unicorn.
jw
Do you believe in dragons, unicorns, and satyrs?
--Billy
Isaiah 43:20 "The beasts of the field shall honor me, the dragons and
the ostriches: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in
the desert, to give to drink to my people, my chosen."
Isaiah 34:7 "And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the
bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and
their dust made fat with fatness."
Isaiah 13:21 "But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their
houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there,
and satyrs shall dance there."
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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30 Apr 2005 12:17:25 PM |
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On 30 Apr 2005, jw <j w dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
3. The Bible talks about dragons, unicorns, and satyrs, as if they were
real. Therefore, the Bible is fiction.
My apologies. I just found the reference to "dragons" in the KJV,
which I don't normally use.
And since neither of us knows what sort of animal was meant, and since
hundreds of species become extinct each year, it is a
presumption/arrogance on your part to believe that this was a
reference to an imaginary animal.
likewise the unicorn.
Since there are no physical remains of these extinct species, or fossil
evidence either, what do you suppose happened to them?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Jos Flachs no x, please" |
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30 Apr 2005 10:07:17 PM |
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:17:25 -0500, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 30 Apr 2005, jw <j w dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
3. The Bible talks about dragons, unicorns, and satyrs, as if they were
real. Therefore, the Bible is fiction.
My apologies. I just found the reference to "dragons" in the KJV,
which I don't normally use.
And since neither of us knows what sort of animal was meant, and since
hundreds of species become extinct each year, it is a
presumption/arrogance on your part to believe that this was a
reference to an imaginary animal.
likewise the unicorn.
Since there are no physical remains of these extinct species, or fossil
evidence either, what do you suppose happened to them?
Unicorn to god: "three of us to beam up"
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| User: "Mephisto" |
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30 Apr 2005 02:49:15 PM |
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 06:33:15 -0700, jw <j w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On 27 Apr 2005 12:23:31 -0700, "William T. Goat"
<ericvonl@my-deja.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
jw wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:18:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
"Frankie Lee" <S9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:d4o5g8$nct$1@reader01.singnet.com.sg...
1,Do you know what happen to you after death?
Nope.
If you do not know where you will go after death,and Christian can
confirm
to you what would be your destiny,is there any reason to not
accept their
version of truths?
The only way I'd buy it would be if they could provide objective,
verifiable
evidence.
Nope. There is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for
Christianity. You do not believe for two reasons:
1. you choose to not believe.
2. there are moral choices you'd Ave to make that you refuse to make
3. The Bible talks about dragons, unicorns, and satyrs, as if they were
real. Therefore, the Bible is fiction.
My apologies. I just found the reference to "dragons" in the KJV,
which I don't normally use.
And since neither of us knows what sort of animal was meant, and since
hundreds of species become extinct each year, it is a
presumption/arrogance on your part to believe that this was a
reference to an imaginary animal.
likewise the unicorn.
Are you seriously suggesting that unicorns and dragons existed? Just
because someone mentioned them in the bible?
Mephisto
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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30 Apr 2005 04:53:02 PM |
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On 30 Apr 2005, Mephisto dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:
On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 06:33:15 -0700, jw <j w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On 27 Apr 2005 12:23:31 -0700, "William T. Goat"
<ericvonl@my-deja.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
jw wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:18:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
"Frankie Lee" <S9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:d4o5g8$nct$1@reader01.singnet.com.sg...
1,Do you know what happen to you after death?
Nope.
If you do not know where you will go after death,and Christian
can
confirm
to you what would be your destiny,is there any reason to not
accept their
version of truths?
The only way I'd buy it would be if they could provide objective,
verifiable
evidence.
Nope. There is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for
Christianity. You do not believe for two reasons:
1. you choose to not believe.
2. there are moral choices you'd Ave to make that you refuse to
make
3. The Bible talks about dragons, unicorns, and satyrs, as if they
were real. Therefore, the Bible is fiction.
My apologies. I just found the reference to "dragons" in the KJV,
which I don't normally use.
And since neither of us knows what sort of animal was meant, and since
hundreds of species become extinct each year, it is a
presumption/arrogance on your part to believe that this was a
reference to an imaginary animal.
likewise the unicorn.
Are you seriously suggesting that unicorns and dragons existed? Just
because someone mentioned them in the bible?
Mephisto
John's a Baptist. If the bible says they existed, they existed.
<snort>
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "William T. Goat" |
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03 May 2005 03:30:31 PM |
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jw wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On 27 Apr 2005 12:23:31 -0700, "William T. Goat"
<ericvonl@my-deja.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
jw wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:18:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
"Frankie Lee" <S9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:d4o5g8$nct$1@reader01.singnet.com.sg...
1,Do you know what happen to you after death?
Nope.
If you do not know where you will go after death,and Christian
can
confirm
to you what would be your destiny,is there any reason to not
accept their
version of truths?
The only way I'd buy it would be if they could provide objective,
verifiable
evidence.
Nope. There is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for
Christianity. You do not believe for two reasons:
1. you choose to not believe.
2. there are moral choices you'd Ave to make that you refuse to
make
3. The Bible talks about dragons, unicorns, and satyrs, as if they
were
real. Therefore, the Bible is fiction.
My apologies. I just found the reference to "dragons" in the KJV,
which I don't normally use.
And since neither of us knows what sort of animal was meant, and
since
hundreds of species become extinct each year, it is a
presumption/arrogance on your part to believe that this was a
reference to an imaginary animal.
likewise the unicorn.
Silly me; I arrogantly assumed that if the Bible were talking about
real animals, it would have named those real animals, instead of
calling them dragons and unicorns. I guess the Bible can't be trusted
to tell the truth.
My point was, belief or disbelief has nothing to do with the reasons
you gave. Beliefs are not choices, moral or otherwise.
--Billy
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: QUESTIONS FOR NON-CHRISTIANS |
27 Apr 2005 01:26:41 PM |
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jw wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:18:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
"Frankie Lee" <S9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:d4o5g8$nct$1@reader01.singnet.com.sg...
1,Do you know what happen to you after death?
Nope.
If you do not know where you will go after death,and Christian can
confirm to you what would be your destiny,is there any reason to not
accept their version of truths?
The only way I'd buy it would be if they could provide objective,
verifiable evidence.
Nope. There is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for
Christianity. You do not believe for two reasons:
Yet you don't mention any. What a surprise.
1. you choose to not believe.
2. there are moral choices you'd Ave to make that you refuse to make
jw
2, Do you know that there is a God?
Of course not.
Why not? How much time/energy have you spent seeking Him?
When you provide some of this objective, verifiable evidence, we'll make a
start.
If you are an atheist,and do not know God,naturally you need to enquire
those who know God.
No, I need objective, verifiable evidence this god exists.
Why? Do you have objective, verifiable evidence when you turn the key
in your car that it will start?
It did this morning.
You do you have objective, verifiable
evidence that when you get into your car, that you will arrive safely
at your final destination?
I did this morning.
When you don't have concrete evidence for the above, why do you INSIST
on taking chances on eternity?
Same reason we don't do pyramid schemes, or other scams that have no hope of
delivering what was promised.
That is NOT the adult, rational, reasonable approach.
Sure it is.
3,What happen to people who died without the saviour Lord Jesus to catch
them when they are plunge into eternity?
They're dead.
And do you understand that you're betting your very life on that view?
And suppose you're wrong? Are you truly willing to take a chance on
waking up in hell if you're wrong?
Sure. I'll take that bet.
IF the Christian is wrong, we lose NOTHING.
That depends. Sometimes Christians get so fixated on their next life that
they completely forget about this one, and don't fix the problems in this
life that would make it a fantastic experience.
If YOU are wrong, you lose EVERYTHING.
Nothing to lose. If we're right, we're dead anyway.
We,the Christians,do no surmise,guess or speculate as to what will
happen
to
non-christian when they die.We know and is sure that they will end up in
Hell and be tormented.The prospect is a horrible one,and the time span
is all eternity.
Please provide objective, verifiable evidence that hell exists and this
will happen.
Please provide objective, verifiable proof that YOU exist.
Please provide objective, verifiable proof that you have a clue.
You are very childish. You choose to play Russian roulette with your
eternal soul.
As are you. What if you're worshipping the wrong God?
NOT smart!
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Steve O" |
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28 Apr 2005 03:08:37 PM |
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When you don't have concrete evidence for the above, why do you INSIST
on taking chances on eternity?
Why do you insist on taking YOUR chances with eternity?
If you don't pay due respect to Thor, you'll never get to Valhalla, you
know.
Still, it's your funeral.......
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| User: "jw j" |
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30 Apr 2005 08:23:46 AM |
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:26:41 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
jw wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:18:03 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
"Frankie Lee" <S9641315@singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:d4o5g8$nct$1@reader01.singnet.com.sg...
1,Do you know what happen to you after death?
Nope.
If you do not know where you will go after death,and Christian can
confirm to you what would be your destiny,is there any reason to not
accept their version of truths?
The only way I'd buy it would be if they could provide objective,
verifiable evidence.
Nope. There is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for
Christianity. You do not believe for two reasons:
Yet you don't mention any. What a surprise.
I have given evidences a dozen times, if once. I just don't jump on
the strings of mindless atheists, so I won't type it in 150 times a
week to amuse you.
jw
1. you choose to not believe.
2. there are moral choices you'd Ave to make that you refuse to make
jw
2, Do you know that there is a God?
Of course not.
Why not? How much time/energy have you spent seeking Him?
When you provide some of this objective, verifiable evidence, we'll make a
start.
If you are an atheist,and do not know God,naturally you need to enquire
those who know God.
No, I need objective, verifiable evidence this god exists.
Why? Do you have objective, verifiable evidence when you turn the key
in your car that it will start?
It did this morning.
You do you have objective, verifiable
evidence that when you get into your car, that you will arrive safely
at your final destination?
I did this morning.
When you don't have concrete evidence for the above, why do you INSIST
on taking chances on eternity?
Same reason we don't do pyramid schemes, or other scams that have no hope of
delivering what was promised.
That is NOT the adult, rational, reasonable approach.
Sure it is.
3,What happen to people who died without the saviour Lord Jesus to catch
them when they are plunge into eternity?
They're dead.
And do you understand that you're betting your very life on that view?
And suppose you're wrong? Are you truly willing to take a chance on
waking up in hell if you're wrong?
Sure. I'll take that bet.
IF the Christian is wrong, we lose NOTHING.
That depends. Sometimes Christians get so fixated on their next life that
they completely forget about this one, and don't fix the problems in this
life that would make it a fantastic experience.
If YOU are wrong, you lose EVERYTHING.
Nothing to lose. If we're right, we're dead anyway.
We,the Christians,do no surmise,guess or speculate as to what will
happen
to
non-christian when they die.We know and is sure that they will end up in
Hell and be tormented.The prospect is a horrible one,and the time span
is all eternity.
Please provide objective, verifiable evidence that hell exists and this
will happen.
Please provide objective, verifiable proof that YOU exist.
Please provide objective, verifiable proof that you have a clue.
You are very childish. You choose to play Russian roulette with your
eternal soul.
As are you. What if you're worshipping the wrong God?
NOT smart!
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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27 Apr 2005 01:38:02 PM |
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on 27 Apr 2005 in alt.atheism, jw <j w dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
The only way I'd buy it would be if they could provide objective,
verifiable evidence.
Nope. There is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence for
Christianity. You do not believe for two reasons:
Post it. The only "evidences" I've ever seen for Christianity are logical
fallacies, such as the circular reference of trying to prove the bible with
bible verses, or the argument from personal incredulity, the argument ad
populum (50 billion flies can't be wrong...) etc. The shroud of Turin is a
fake, nuclear dating proved this. The paragraph in Josephus is a fraud.
Add that to the fact that unlike science, religion makes these assertions,
then threatens people with eternal hell for questioning it. Science goes
about trying to disprove a hypothesis before it becomes a tested theory.
Your religion wouldn't stand up to the first experiment.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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