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Re: Rational Recovery Thought for the Day 03/29/04 |
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:57:59 -0500, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote in
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On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 05:25:56 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:11:10 -0500, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote in
On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:43:10 -0600, Jopey <me@me.com> wrote:
"Who am I?"
I don't know. But I do know what you are. You're a troll.
yet another TOP (troll obsessed poster).
A quick glance at the newsgroups you posted this to proves that.
does it?
I don't think so. I think he wants to get his message out to relevant
groups.
You call him a troll because you disagree with his message. a common trait
of the common TOP.
Identifying something does not signal an obsession with it.
If you don't know a troll when you see one, that's a deficiency on
your part, not mine.
Really? What happens if I miss it? Do I die? Do I catch some fatal disease?
trolls are harmless. and you are obsessed with them. like many.
*ANYONE* who calls some other poster a troll is a TOP. *ANYONE*.
often a so-called troll posts something much more interesting and relevant
than the usual posters and spurs an interesting debate. i've seen it happen
many times.
a lack of trolls would lead to instant boredom and end of creativity and
innovative posting.
this is Usenet. *YOU* adjust your thinking, because Usenet is not going to
change for you or anyone else.
Factually, it is effortless to stop drinking alcohol or stop taking drugs.
Sure it is, unless you happen to be an addict or an alcoholic.
you don't have a disease. you need to stop thinking you're powerless and
can't do anything about it. you need to stop surrendering.
drop the cult. it has an extremely poor track record of helping people
escape from addiction.
I recall having to expend vast amounts of energy and resouces in order to
continue my habit. When I quit drugs, I didn't have to do all those things
anymore.
I notice that you didn't say that it was effortless for you to
quit using. Was it?
it was difficult. before i even attended my first NA meeting, I had heard
the message (that is in the public domain) that addiction is a trap that is
impossible to escape from (without help).
addicts (12 steppers) go on TV programs, write magazine articles -
essentially flood the public domain with their erroneous message.
all they are doing is perpetuating the problem. if you believe that you are
fucked up beyond all recognition and that there's nothing you can do about
it, then you are.
then when it became my problem and two years of NA did nothing to help me, I
quit. that was Oct 2000. but for over a year, I still believed they were
right and that I was relapsed and a bad boy. End of March 2002 I dragged my
***** back in. dropped out again (relapsed). December 2002 i went back again.
and the same things started happening again. you know, NA speaks of the
insanity of repeating the same mistake and expecting a different outcome.
well I was going back to NA expecting to get better "this time".
I realised that NA was just never going to do it for me. What NA did do for
me was put me in touch with a bunch of people who became problems for me.
Those people aren't right in the head. They pick fights (not just with me)
and generally enjoy bickering and squabbling over *****. stuff that doesn't
matter. small stuff. petty stuff. One moment they are all spiritual etc. and
the next they are the most obnoxious rude pigs I have ever encountered in my
life. Small things set them off. They go ballistic at the drop of a hat.
I made the mistake (once) of complaining (in a business meeting) about a
speaker who had consumed the entire meeting with his talk (leaving no time
over for anyone else). Some arsehole exploded at me. The night before he had
been helping me push-start my car (left the lights on).
No, I am done with that *****. It is far from uncommon in the NA fellowship.
People in NA are not normal. They are crazy motherfuckers and I do not
benefit from being around people like that.
I stumbled on the Rational Recovery web site and decided to adopt that
method of recovery from drug addiction. I've adapted it somewhat to suit me
better. But right now my recovery is essentially maintenance free.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
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| User: "moraldeficient" |
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| Title: Re: Rational Recovery Thought for the Day 03/29/04 |
08 Apr 2004 10:28:48 AM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> expelled in message
news:<djsq601fa570k9akum9a5bihs8h0m65en7@4ax.com>...
I think that is because you had a crack habit and as I have proven
quitting crack is an effortless process. You just stop smoking it and
never think about smoking it again. Totally effortless. Now if you had
a real drug problem, like heroin for example, maybe NA would have
helped you.
You complain that you were not cured by NA but then go on to say you
were never sick. If you were never sick what kind of cure were you
looking for in NA? Or were you just looking for someone to validate
your feelings and tell you that life would be fine when in fact you
had caused so much damage that the chances of your little sister ever
speaking to you again after the ***** incest incident were pretty slim
and you just needed to face that reality.
So what is it Mel, since crack is not a "real" drug and quitting takes
no effort why get involved in NA in the first place. I think it is the
thing that happened between you and your sister personally but you
will probably say it was not. In meetings we call that denial, what do
you call it in Rational Recovery?
MD
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| User: "Mel" |
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10 Apr 2004 07:40:56 AM |
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On 8 Apr 2004 08:28:48 -0700, (moraldeficient)
wrote in message <def2c63d.0404080728.3d1bb0b3@posting.google.com>:
and as I have proven
you have proven *****.
Now if you had a real drug problem, like heroin for example, maybe NA would
have helped you.
heroin is impossible to quit. NA is powerless against heroin addiction.
In meetings we call that denial, what do
you call it in Rational Recovery?
RR does not have meetings. there is no vibe, no atmosphere, no cutesy
sayings.
RR does not even have members.
RR is simply a technique. Glenn might pooh-pooh that, but why have a "let's
get off drugs together" organisation if you don't need one?
For every addict attending NA meetings, there are ten times as many who have
previously attended, been to rehab, etc. etc. who are "back out there"
smoking crack etc. etc.
those people are hard to find. but they exist. i've met some of them. they
all have their own ideas about why they're still using drugs and why (after
attending countless rehabs) they still haven't found a way out.
many of them, having been exposed to the NA cult message, believe that it's
something they are doing wrong. if only they were prepared to put more
effort into it, they could get it to work.
i don't believe that the failure lies with them. if going to rehab 4 times
doesn't help, then obviously rehab is the point of failure, not the addict.
i believe that their entire method is flawed. no amount of writing or
talking about your life is going to change a single iota of it.
the problem is not a spiritual one or a moral one. we don't need to convert
people to believe in God. most of the counsellors at these rehabs don't, but
they will not admit that to their patients because if they did, that would
detract greatly from the 12 step message they are trying to convey.
we need to be teaching people how to quit drugs. how to stop using.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
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| User: "GlennS" |
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10 Apr 2004 09:21:46 AM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
For every addict attending NA meetings, there are ten times as many who have
previously attended, been to rehab, etc. etc. who are "back out there"
smoking crack etc. etc.
those people are hard to find. but they exist. i've met some of them. they
all have their own ideas about why they're still using drugs and why (after
attending countless rehabs) they still haven't found a way out.
many of them, having been exposed to the NA cult message, believe that it's
something they are doing wrong. if only they were prepared to put more
effort into it, they could get it to work.
i don't believe that the failure lies with them. if going to rehab 4 times
doesn't help, then obviously rehab is the point of failure, not the addict.
How is it obvious that rehab is at fault? Could it also be
that addiction is a powerful force that is very difficult to overcome?
If RR had a sucess rate of 100%, and made it effortless for
hard core addicts to quit, there would be no way to hide it. It would
spread like wildfire. No "12 step covert conspiracy" that yall
constantly theorize about could contain it.
What's "obvious" to you, means nothing to hard core addicts,
since you've never been one.
Glenn S.
"Home Grown" 12 Step Recovery Website at...
http://members.aol.com/GlennS1956
Suffering = clinging to that which changes...
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| User: "Mel" |
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11 Apr 2004 07:02:39 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:21:46 -0400, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote in
message <m8tf7050nmv9p0uc8fam5mfn68ueot7bki@4ax.com>:
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
For every addict attending NA meetings, there are ten times as many who have
previously attended, been to rehab, etc. etc. who are "back out there"
smoking crack etc. etc.
those people are hard to find. but they exist. i've met some of them. they
all have their own ideas about why they're still using drugs and why (after
attending countless rehabs) they still haven't found a way out.
many of them, having been exposed to the NA cult message, believe that it's
something they are doing wrong. if only they were prepared to put more
effort into it, they could get it to work.
i don't believe that the failure lies with them. if going to rehab 4 times
doesn't help, then obviously rehab is the point of failure, not the addict.
How is it obvious that rehab is at fault? Could it also be
that addiction is a powerful force that is very difficult to overcome?
addiction masquerades itself as a powerful force.
it's truly like a 'voice' in the head that calls out its siren (tempting
voice).
it would have you believe that it is impossible to resist. but the voice
lies. it is child's play to resist.
it is effortless to resist. simply expend no effort to satisfy it.
expend no effort.
if you expend no effort, that is effortless.
what do you not understand about that?
If RR had a sucess rate of 100%, and made it effortless for
hard core addicts to quit, there would be no way to hide it.
not all addicts are looking to quit (seriously). some say they want to, but
they don't really want to.
others find NA first which convinces them that its members / founders tried
all other avenues first and nothing else worked. NA is the only one which
worked, so save yourself the time and effort and just take our word for it,
NA is where you need to be and nowhere else.
It would spread like wildfire.
if someone wants something valuable, they need to search for it.
RR is not going to go door knocking.
No "12 step covert conspiracy" that yall
constantly theorize about could contain it.
12 step cults get themselves known in all cities of the world to authorities
and doctors. then they get referrals and that is why the 12 step cults are
exploding all over and for no other reason.
What's "obvious" to you, means nothing to hard core addicts,
since you've never been one.
I was addicted to crack even though you may attempt to deny it, fuckhead.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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| User: "GlennS" |
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11 Apr 2004 11:23:43 AM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
it would have you believe that it is impossible to resist. but the voice
lies. it is child's play to resist.
it is effortless to resist. simply expend no effort to satisfy it.
expend no effort.
if you expend no effort, that is effortless.
what do you not understand about that?
I understand it perfectly. It means that if you believe that
*****, you've never been an addict.
Glenn S.
"Home Grown" 12 Step Recovery Website at...
http://members.aol.com/GlennS1956
Suffering = clinging to that which changes...
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| User: "Mel" |
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12 Apr 2004 12:38:56 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:23:43 -0400, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote in
message <7bqi709im65vi76hmvqq35ej4535nk7rb6@4ax.com>:
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
it would have you believe that it is impossible to resist. but the voice
lies. it is child's play to resist.
it is effortless to resist. simply expend no effort to satisfy it.
expend no effort.
if you expend no effort, that is effortless.
what do you not understand about that?
I understand it perfectly. It means that if you believe that
*****, you've never been an addict.
you're looking for sympathy, aren't you?
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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| User: "Leisure Suit Lamey" |
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12 Apr 2004 01:29:10 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:38:56 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:23:43 -0400, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote in
message <7bqi709im65vi76hmvqq35ej4535nk7rb6@4ax.com>:
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
it would have you believe that it is impossible to resist. but the voice
lies. it is child's play to resist.
it is effortless to resist. simply expend no effort to satisfy it.
expend no effort.
if you expend no effort, that is effortless.
what do you not understand about that?
I understand it perfectly. It means that if you believe that
*****, you've never been an addict.
you're looking for sympathy, aren't you?
You just self spanked yourself.
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| User: "ur_droll" |
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11 Apr 2004 04:12:11 PM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in message
news:ur6i70h7eo9mb7u957cu6dfmv9efv0bsre@4ax.com...
: On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:21:46 -0400, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote
in
: message <m8tf7050nmv9p0uc8fam5mfn68ueot7bki@4ax.com>:
: >"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
: >>For every addict attending NA meetings, there are ten times as many who
have
: >>previously attended, been to rehab, etc. etc. who are "back out there"
: >>smoking crack etc. etc.
: >>those people are hard to find. but they exist. i've met some of them.
they
: >>all have their own ideas about why they're still using drugs and why
(after
: >>attending countless rehabs) they still haven't found a way out.
: >>many of them, having been exposed to the NA cult message, believe that
it's
: >>something they are doing wrong. if only they were prepared to put more
: >>effort into it, they could get it to work.
: >>i don't believe that the failure lies with them. if going to rehab 4
times
: >>doesn't help, then obviously rehab is the point of failure, not the
addict.
: >How is it obvious that rehab is at fault? Could it also be
: >that addiction is a powerful force that is very difficult to overcome?
:
: addiction masquerades itself as a powerful force.
:
: it's truly like a 'voice' in the head that calls out its siren (tempting
: voice).
:
: it would have you believe that it is impossible to resist. but the voice
: lies. it is child's play to resist.
:
: it is effortless to resist. simply expend no effort to satisfy it.
:
: expend no effort.
:
: if you expend no effort, that is effortless.
:
: what do you not understand about that?
:
: >If RR had a sucess rate of 100%, and made it effortless for
: >hard core addicts to quit, there would be no way to hide it.
:
: not all addicts are looking to quit (seriously). some say they want to,
but
: they don't really want to.
:
: others find NA first which convinces them that its members / founders
tried
: all other avenues first and nothing else worked. NA is the only one which
: worked, so save yourself the time and effort and just take our word for
it,
: NA is where you need to be and nowhere else.
:
: >It would spread like wildfire.
:
: if someone wants something valuable, they need to search for it.
:
: RR is not going to go door knocking.
:
: >No "12 step covert conspiracy" that yall
: >constantly theorize about could contain it.
:
: 12 step cults get themselves known in all cities of the world to
authorities
: and doctors. then they get referrals and that is why the 12 step cults are
: exploding all over and for no other reason.
:
: >What's "obvious" to you, means nothing to hard core addicts,
: >since you've never been one.
:
: I was addicted to crack even though you may attempt to deny it, fuckhead.
:
These sick brain dead religious fucks will use any tool to lure
fuckwits into believing their childish fairytales are the answer
to their problems.
They prey on physiologically disturbed and mentally deficient
morons that are too weak willed to find their own way through
life without external guidance.... EVERY religious fuckwit I
have ever met (they are all fuckwits) are either inbred (most
common among catholics) genetic throwbacks, have some form
of physical deformity that they are unable to deal with, or more
usually.... are simply mentally deficient or physiologically
damaged and have no sense of self worth.
In short.... religion is a disease.
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| User: "Tommy" |
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11 Apr 2004 07:26:07 PM |
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"ur_droll" <
They prey on physiologically disturbed and mentally deficient
morons that are too weak willed to find their own way through
life without external guidance.... EVERY religious fuckwit> In short....
religion is a disease.
Huh - such composition, such prose, such aplomb, such syntax, the mans
either a moron or a genius - maybe he's a psychiatrist bawaahaa..
Oh well, paper doesn't refuse ink
Cheers
Tommy
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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11 Apr 2004 07:36:03 PM |
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"Tommy" <tormyleprechaun@indigo.ie> wrote
"ur_droll" <
They prey on physiologically disturbed and mentally deficient
morons that are too weak willed to find their own way through
life without external guidance.... EVERY religious fuckwit> In short....
religion is a disease.
Huh - such composition, such prose, such aplomb, such syntax, the mans
either a moron or a genius - maybe he's a psychiatrist bawaahaa..
Oh well, paper doesn't refuse ink
Cheers
Tommy
Waxed paper does.
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| User: "ur_droll" |
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11 Apr 2004 11:18:48 PM |
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"Tommy" <tormyleprechaun@indigo.ie> wrote in message
news:c5cnpi$984n$1@ID-49277.news.uni-berlin.de...
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: "ur_droll" <
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: > They prey on physiologically disturbed and mentally deficient
: > morons that are too weak willed to find their own way through
: > life without external guidance.... EVERY religious fuckwit> In short....
: religion is a disease.
:
: Huh - such composition, such prose, such aplomb, such syntax, the mans
: either a moron or a genius - maybe he's a psychiatrist bawaahaa..
: Oh well, paper doesn't refuse ink
The truth ain't pretty...<shrugs>... Deal with it
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| User: "Leisure Suit Lamey" |
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12 Apr 2004 01:36:55 AM |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:18:48 +1200, "ur_droll" <who.gives@*****.co>
wrote:
"Tommy" <tormyleprechaun@indigo.ie> wrote in message
news:c5cnpi$984n$1@ID-49277.news.uni-berlin.de...
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: "ur_droll" <
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: > They prey on physiologically disturbed and mentally deficient
: > morons that are too weak willed to find their own way through
: > life without external guidance.... EVERY religious fuckwit> In short....
: religion is a disease.
:
: Huh - such composition, such prose, such aplomb, such syntax, the mans
: either a moron or a genius - maybe he's a psychiatrist bawaahaa..
: Oh well, paper doesn't refuse ink
The truth ain't pretty...<shrugs>... Deal with it
Translation: I've run out of anything even close to a decent response.
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| User: "ur_droll" |
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| Title: Re: Rational Recovery Thought for the Day 03/29/04 |
12 Apr 2004 02:59:56 AM |
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"Leisure Suit Lamey" <justme@youguess.com> wrote in message
news:21b30edb3e27fa7ad13762f62ceedbc6@news.teranews.com...
: On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:18:48 +1200, "ur_droll" <who.gives@*****.co>
: wrote:
:
: >
: >"Tommy" <tormyleprechaun@indigo.ie> wrote in message
: >news:c5cnpi$984n$1@ID-49277.news.uni-berlin.de...
: >:
: >: "ur_droll" <
: >:
: >: > They prey on physiologically disturbed and mentally deficient
: >: > morons that are too weak willed to find their own way through
: >: > life without external guidance.... EVERY religious fuckwit> In
short....
: >: religion is a disease.
: >:
: >: Huh - such composition, such prose, such aplomb, such syntax, the mans
: >: either a moron or a genius - maybe he's a psychiatrist bawaahaa..
: >: Oh well, paper doesn't refuse ink
: >
: >
: >The truth ain't pretty...<shrugs>... Deal with it
: >
: I've run out of anything even close to a decent response.
Sometimes less is best..... you should learn 'that'....
instead of struggling so hard
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| User: "John Baker" |
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11 Apr 2004 08:51:15 PM |
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"Tommy" <tormyleprechaun@indigo.ie> wrote in message
news:c5cnpi$984n$1@ID-49277.news.uni-berlin.de...
"ur_droll" <
They prey on physiologically disturbed and mentally deficient
morons that are too weak willed to find their own way through
life without external guidance.... EVERY religious fuckwit> In short....
religion is a disease.
Huh - such composition, such prose, such aplomb, such syntax, the mans
either a moron or a genius - maybe he's a psychiatrist bawaahaa..
So the OP isn't a proficient writer. That doesn't change the fact that he's
right.
Oh well, paper doesn't refuse ink
And religion doesn't refuse a moron.
Cheers
Tommy
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| User: "Tommy" |
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12 Apr 2004 03:48:54 PM |
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John Baker wrote:
"Tommy" <>> Oh well, paper doesn't refuse ink
And religion doesn't refuse a moron.
Cheers
Tommy
We've established that he's a moron, so you reckon that makes him right,
hmm okay . PS I do like to throw a few tidbits to a troll, not really
humane to let them starve altogether. Here's a few flakes for you
,,,.,.,.,..,%"** (careful there's a few big bits in there)
Cheers
Tommy
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| User: "Mel" |
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| Title: Re: Rational Recovery Thought for the Day 03/29/04 |
13 Apr 2004 02:27:37 AM |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:48:54 +0100, "Tommy" <tormyleprechaun@indigo.ie>
wrote in message <c5eveb$u3ul$1@ID-49277.news.uni-berlin.de>:
John Baker wrote:
"Tommy" <>> Oh well, paper doesn't refuse ink
And religion doesn't refuse a moron.
Cheers
Tommy
We've established that he's a moron, so you reckon that makes him right,
hmm okay . PS I do like to throw a few tidbits to a troll, not really
humane to let them starve altogether. Here's a few flakes for you
,,,.,.,.,..,%"** (careful there's a few big bits in there)
Cheers
Tommy
....slit yer throat...
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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| User: "Dougal" |
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23 Apr 2004 09:13:12 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 01:26:07 +0100, "Tommy"
<tormyleprechaun@indigo.ie> wrote:
"ur_droll" <
They prey on physiologically disturbed and mentally deficient
morons that are too weak willed to find their own way through
life without external guidance.... EVERY religious fuckwit> In short....
religion is a disease.
Huh - such composition, such prose, such aplomb, such syntax, the mans
either a moron or a genius - maybe he's a psychiatrist bawaahaa..
Oh well, paper doesn't refuse ink
That's coming from a man who's address ends in ie.
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| User: "Leisure Suit Lamey" |
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11 Apr 2004 04:38:43 PM |
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These sick brain dead religious fucks will use any tool to lure
fuckwits into believing their childish fairytales are the answer
to their problems.
It's obvious you have not found anything that works yet, just look how
upset I have you.
They prey on physiologically disturbed and mentally deficient
morons that are too weak willed to find their own way through
life without external guidance.... EVERY religious fuckwit I
have ever met (they are all fuckwits) are either inbred (most
common among catholics) genetic throwbacks, have some form
of physical deformity that they are unable to deal with, or more
usually.... are simply mentally deficient or physiologically
damaged and have no sense of self worth.
In short.... religion is a disease.
How do we prey on them? What's in it for me do do so? No alcoholic I
ever helped with the steps has ever given me a dime.
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12 Apr 2004 12:39:01 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:12:11 +1200, "ur_droll" <who.gives@*****.co> wrote in
message <zyiec.12281$d%6.210501@news.xtra.co.nz>:
These sick brain dead religious fucks will use any tool to lure
fuckwits into believing their childish fairytales are the answer
to their problems.
They prey on physiologically disturbed and mentally deficient
morons that are too weak willed to find their own way through
life without external guidance.... EVERY religious fuckwit I
have ever met (they are all fuckwits) are either inbred (most
common among catholics) genetic throwbacks, have some form
of physical deformity that they are unable to deal with, or more
usually.... are simply mentally deficient or physiologically
damaged and have no sense of self worth.
In short.... religion is a disease.
all religions are cults.
some cults may seem benign, but none of them are.
they all demand time and money from you.
Just say NO to cults.
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| User: "Leisure Suit Lamey" |
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11 Apr 2004 09:04:13 AM |
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if someone wants something valuable, they need to search for it.
RR is not going to go door knocking.
No "12 step covert conspiracy" that yall
constantly theorize about could contain it.
12 step cults get themselves known in all cities of the world to authorities
and doctors. then they get referrals and that is why the 12 step cults are
exploding all over and for no other reason.
Not the fact that they work...eh?
What's "obvious" to you, means nothing to hard core addicts,
since you've never been one.
I was addicted to crack even though you may attempt to deny it, fuckhead.
First of all, crack is not physically addictive, So you had the mental
obsession, nothing more.
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10 Apr 2004 09:21:44 AM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
RR is simply a technique. Glenn might pooh-pooh that, but why have a "let's
get off drugs together" organisation if you don't need one?
I won't pooh-pooh that, or even fart it, at all. I agree with
you. RR tried to be an organization that held meetings, but it could
never get off the ground because of the negativity it generated in
everything it did with its constant AA bashing. It really has been
reduced to words on a website and in a book of resentments. You are
correct. Now it's simply a "technique".
Your phrase "but why have a 'let's get off drugs together'
organization if you don't need one" is also spot on. If someone just
has a drug habit, or is a social drinker and wants to stop, RR may be
all they need. Making a firm personal commitment to quit may also be
enough. Sending people like this to a 12 Step program would be like
performing heart surgery to cure a hangnail.
But if a person's addiction has progressed to the point of
being life threatening, and they are no longer able to control their
lives, I believe that a group atmosphere may be more suitable to their
needs.
Glenn S.
"Home Grown" 12 Step Recovery Website at...
http://members.aol.com/GlennS1956
Suffering = clinging to that which changes...
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| User: "Mel" |
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11 Apr 2004 07:02:38 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:21:44 -0400, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote in
message <9bsf701fb1ugjk47f0tglei3jp7rr8vsqr@4ax.com>:
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
RR is simply a technique. Glenn might pooh-pooh that, but why have a "let's
get off drugs together" organisation if you don't need one?
I won't pooh-pooh that, or even fart it, at all. I agree with
you. RR tried to be an organization that held meetings, but it could
never get off the ground because of the negativity it generated in
everything it did with its constant AA bashing. It really has been
reduced to words on a website and in a book of resentments. You are
correct. Now it's simply a "technique".
Your phrase "but why have a 'let's get off drugs together'
organization if you don't need one" is also spot on. If someone just
has a drug habit, or is a social drinker and wants to stop, RR may be
all they need. Making a firm personal commitment to quit may also be
enough. Sending people like this to a 12 Step program would be like
performing heart surgery to cure a hangnail.
But if a person's addiction has progressed to the point of
being life threatening, and they are no longer able to control their
lives, I believe that a group atmosphere may be more suitable to their
needs.
explain to me the difference between addiction and habit.
without using the word 'disease'.
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| User: "GlennS" |
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11 Apr 2004 11:23:40 AM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
explain to me the difference between addiction and habit.
Since your brain works so simply, I'll try to keep the
definition as simple as possible. An addiction is something that's
hard to quit. A habit is something that is easier to quit.
without using the word 'disease'.
I've told you before that I don't think addiction is a
disease, but maybe I didn't say it "simply" enough for you.
Glenn S.
"Home Grown" 12 Step Recovery Website at...
http://members.aol.com/GlennS1956
Suffering = clinging to that which changes...
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| User: "Vanilla Gorilla Monkey Boy" |
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11 Apr 2004 08:00:49 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:23:40 -0400, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com>
wrote in alt.tasteless.jokes in message
<uvpi705glt4r754i0rjrd0d5uio34f0t25@4ax.com>:
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
explain to me the difference between addiction and habit.
Since your brain works so simply, I'll try to keep the
definition as simple as possible. An addiction is something that's
hard to quit. A habit is something that is easier to quit.
Yeah, ask a nun!
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| User: "Mel" |
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12 Apr 2004 12:38:55 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:23:40 -0400, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote in
message <uvpi705glt4r754i0rjrd0d5uio34f0t25@4ax.com>:
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
explain to me the difference between addiction and habit.
Since your brain works so simply, I'll try to keep the
definition as simple as possible. An addiction is something that's
hard to quit. A habit is something that is easier to quit.
cigarettes are hard to quit. some say they are harder to quit than heroin.
and yet people do it all by themselves. some use the patches or chew gum,
but many do nothing but gut it out.
and nicotine withdrawal is real. it's much more painful than withdrawing
from crack.
it's totally doable (to quit any addiction). you don't need any external
help.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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| User: "GlennS" |
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12 Apr 2004 06:03:49 PM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:23:40 -0400, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote in
message <uvpi705glt4r754i0rjrd0d5uio34f0t25@4ax.com>:
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
explain to me the difference between addiction and habit.
Since your brain works so simply, I'll try to keep the
definition as simple as possible. An addiction is something that's
hard to quit. A habit is something that is easier to quit.
cigarettes are hard to quit. some say they are harder to quit than heroin.
and yet people do it all by themselves. some use the patches or chew gum,
but many do nothing but gut it out.
and nicotine withdrawal is real. it's much more painful than withdrawing
from crack.
it's totally doable (to quit any addiction). you don't need any external
help.
Cigarettes are worse than crack, huh? Well, we know that
there are crack whores who will perform oral sex on any AIDS infected
scum bucket with five dollars. How many women have been turned out
into the street because of cigarette addiction?
The more you type, the more you show the world that you don't
know anything about being an addict. No wonder you believe that it's
effortless for an addict to quit.
Glenn S.
"Home Grown" 12 Step Recovery Website at...
http://members.aol.com/GlennS1956
Suffering = clinging to that which changes...
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| User: "Mel" |
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13 Apr 2004 02:27:36 AM |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:03:49 -0400, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote in
message <t27m70h2el8iug53ptmk0moonoojh5udu7@4ax.com>:
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:23:40 -0400, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote in
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
explain to me the difference between addiction and habit.
Since your brain works so simply, I'll try to keep the
definition as simple as possible. An addiction is something that's
hard to quit. A habit is something that is easier to quit.
cigarettes are hard to quit. some say they are harder to quit than heroin.
and yet people do it all by themselves. some use the patches or chew gum,
but many do nothing but gut it out.
and nicotine withdrawal is real. it's much more painful than withdrawing
from crack.
it's totally doable (to quit any addiction). you don't need any external
help.
Cigarettes are worse than crack, huh? Well, we know that
there are crack whores who will perform oral sex on any AIDS infected
scum bucket with five dollars. How many women have been turned out
into the street because of cigarette addiction?
Cigarettes cost many times less than crack.
If cigarettes cost as much as crack (and other illegal drugs) then I'm sure
people who are addicted to smoking would have similar financial
consequences.
The more you type, the more you show the world that you don't
know anything about being an addict. No wonder you believe that it's
effortless for an addict to quit.
Au contraire, you show the world that you are 100% clueless about how things
work.
You have no explanations for why addiction is supposedly "impossible" to get
out of, yet ordinary people manage that feat everyday without needing to
attend 12 step cult meetings.
You confuse the consequences of illegal drugs with legal drugs. Each drug
has its own unique effect and consequences.
Nicotine addicts don't suffer financially AS MUCH as crack and heroin
addicts. But they do suffer some financial harm - the purchase of the
cigarettes themselves and higher medical fees.
The ultimate consequence of nicotine addiction is health problems and often
death as a result thereof.
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Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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| User: "GlennS" |
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13 Apr 2004 04:31:33 AM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:03:49 -0400, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote in
message <t27m70h2el8iug53ptmk0moonoojh5udu7@4ax.com>:
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:23:40 -0400, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote in
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
explain to me the difference between addiction and habit.
Since your brain works so simply, I'll try to keep the
definition as simple as possible. An addiction is something that's
hard to quit. A habit is something that is easier to quit.
cigarettes are hard to quit. some say they are harder to quit than heroin.
and yet people do it all by themselves. some use the patches or chew gum,
but many do nothing but gut it out.
and nicotine withdrawal is real. it's much more painful than withdrawing
from crack.
it's totally doable (to quit any addiction). you don't need any external
help.
Cigarettes are worse than crack, huh? Well, we know that
there are crack whores who will perform oral sex on any AIDS infected
scum bucket with five dollars. How many women have been turned out
into the street because of cigarette addiction?
Cigarettes cost many times less than crack.
If cigarettes cost as much as crack (and other illegal drugs) then I'm sure
people who are addicted to smoking would have similar financial
consequences.
Crack whores can get a rock for five bucks, which is almost
what a pack of cigarettes cost. While true that pack will last people
almost a whole day, if a daily supply of cigarettes cost the same as a
daily supply of crack, which could happen in the future since
governments love to tax them, are you saying that women will then
become cigarette whores, and give oral sex to street bums to get a
cigarette? Or will they just stop smoking?
Again, if you think cigarettes are worse than crack, you've
never been addicted to crack. Period.
The more you type, the more you show the world that you don't
know anything about being an addict. No wonder you believe that it's
effortless for an addict to quit.
Au contraire, you show the world that you are 100% clueless about how things
work.
You have no explanations for why addiction is supposedly "impossible" to get
out of, yet ordinary people manage that feat everyday without needing to
attend 12 step cult meetings.
You're desperate. After I debunk every clueless thing you
post, you start inventing things that I never said, and then start
debating your own fantasies of what you wish I'd said, so you'd have
something to argue about.
I've seen dogs chase their tails, too. It's amusing.
You confuse the consequences of illegal drugs with legal drugs. Each drug
has its own unique effect and consequences.
Nicotine addicts don't suffer financially AS MUCH as crack and heroin
addicts. But they do suffer some financial harm - the purchase of the
cigarettes themselves and higher medical fees.
The ultimate consequence of nicotine addiction is health problems and often
death as a result thereof.
Nicotine is very addictive. I quit a 20 year, three packs of
Marlboros a day habit as my 1990 new decade's resolution. But to say
that cigarettes are worse than crack is laughable, and demonstrates
your cluelessness.
Catch your tail, yet?
Glenn S.
"Home Grown" 12 Step Recovery Website at...
http://members.aol.com/GlennS1956
Suffering = clinging to that which changes...
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| User: "Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg" |
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13 Apr 2004 05:49:41 AM |
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GlennS wrote:
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:03:49 -0400, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:23:40 -0400, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com>
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
explain to me the difference between addiction and habit.
Since your brain works so simply, I'll try to keep the
definition as simple as possible. An addiction is something that's
hard to quit. A habit is something that is easier to quit.
cigarettes are hard to quit. some say they are harder to quit than
heroin. and yet people do it all by themselves. some use the patches
or chew gum, but many do nothing but gut it out.
and nicotine withdrawal is real. it's much more painful than
withdrawing from crack.
it's totally doable (to quit any addiction). you don't need any
external help.
Cigarettes are worse than crack, huh? Well, we know that
there are crack whores who will perform oral sex on any AIDS infected
scum bucket with five dollars. How many women have been turned out
into the street because of cigarette addiction?
Cigarettes cost many times less than crack.
If cigarettes cost as much as crack (and other illegal drugs) then I'm
sure people who are addicted to smoking would have similar financial
consequences.
Crack whores can get a rock for five bucks, which is almost
what a pack of cigarettes cost.
$5 is about R30. R30 of crack is quite a small amount. you can get one good
hit off it and then it's spent. and then all you are is frustrated because
once you start using, you want to use it for a bit.
you need at least R100 a session, but R200 is better.
tell me what cigarette habit costs R200 a day?
i've known some crack users to spend R1000 in a day. the most i've spent in
a day was R900 but that was when i was being completely and utterly ripped
off by coloured cunts who were giving me useless *****. the nigerians put all
those wankers out of business.
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| User: "Mel" |
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13 Apr 2004 03:16:49 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:31:33 -0400, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote in
message <5ibn705guuvm0luq19nkp5v0v1hg00ce6j@4ax.com>:
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:03:49 -0400, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote in
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:23:40 -0400, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote in
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
explain to me the difference between addiction and habit.
Since your brain works so simply, I'll try to keep the
definition as simple as possible. An addiction is something that's
hard to quit. A habit is something that is easier to quit.
cigarettes are hard to quit. some say they are harder to quit than heroin.
and yet people do it all by themselves. some use the patches or chew gum,
but many do nothing but gut it out.
and nicotine withdrawal is real. it's much more painful than withdrawing
from crack.
it's totally doable (to quit any addiction). you don't need any external
help.
Cigarettes are worse than crack, huh? Well, we know that
there are crack whores who will perform oral sex on any AIDS infected
scum bucket with five dollars. How many women have been turned out
into the street because of cigarette addiction?
Cigarettes cost many times less than crack.
If cigarettes cost as much as crack (and other illegal drugs) then I'm sure
people who are addicted to smoking would have similar financial
consequences.
Crack whores can get a rock for five bucks, which is almost
what a pack of cigarettes cost. While true that pack will last people
almost a whole day, if a daily supply of cigarettes cost the same as a
daily supply of crack, which could happen in the future since
governments love to tax them, are you saying that women will then
become cigarette whores, and give oral sex to street bums to get a
cigarette? Or will they just stop smoking?
we will never know.
however, an essential difference is also the legality of the substance.
if the substance is illegal, it gets people to cross lines when they use it.
that is part of the problem.
you must also realise that nicotine is essentially a do nothing drug. it
doesn't do much. it creates a mild rush. cigarette smoking caught on as a
fashion, a trend which was fanned alive by clever marketing by the tobacco
companies.
crack is a do SOMETHING drug. it gives users a huge rush. you know right
away you just took something. but cigarettes and even marijuana don't do
much. it's much milder.
Again, if you think cigarettes are worse than crack, you've
never been addicted to crack. Period.
cigarettes can be just as hard to kick as an addiction to heroin is.
Nicotine is very addictive. I quit a 20 year, three packs of
Marlboros a day habit as my 1990 new decade's resolution. But to say
that cigarettes are worse than crack is laughable, and demonstrates
your cluelessness.
why? crack doesn't cause lung cancer or emphysema.
part of the problem of crack is its total lack of social acceptability.
cigarettes are legal and tolerated.
i do indeed claim that cigarettes are worse than crack. having had both, i
know. crack is benign compared to cigarettes.
even when i was using crack, i didn't need to use crack 24/7. i'd want to
use it mostly at night. during the day i worked for a living.
with cigarettes, a smoker wants to puff on a ciggie ALL the time he/she is
awake.
i honestly found that resisting the urge to use crack was less than the urge
to light up a cigarette.
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