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"Charles & Mambo Duckman" |
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16 Nov 2005 08:30:57 AM |
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Re: Reading I Rom 14:7-12 |
Dar McWheeler wrote:
Please, Dave, could you answer me one question; what was the thing that
turned you against christianity? Were you one once and became
disillusioned or maybe brought up, as I was, in a religious/cult family?
Or worse, your girl left you for jesus?
And when after this you are most properly labeled an *****, you'll once
again start foaming at the mouth about hate this, hate that...
What you just asked above is a typical Christian ***** response to
atheists, heard thousands of times over and over again: all you atheists
hate God because [insert cause] but you still believe in him.
The most amazing part is that you won't even realize how impolite, nasty and
downright idiotic this type of a question is.
1. It is not necessary to "turn against" a religion in order to become an
atheist.
2. No atheist would give a flying ***** about any religion, Christianity
included, if those religion's followers stopped negatively affecting all of
our lives.
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Come down off the cross
We can use the wood
Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House
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| User: "Dar McWheeler" |
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| Title: Re: Reading I Rom 14:7-12 |
16 Nov 2005 04:20:36 PM |
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Charles & Mambo Duckman wrote:
Dar McWheeler wrote:
Please, Dave, could you answer me one question; what was the thing
that turned you against christianity? Were you one once and became
disillusioned or maybe brought up, as I was, in a religious/cult
family? Or worse, your girl left you for jesus?
And when after this you are most properly labeled an *****, you'll
once again start foaming at the mouth about hate this, hate that...
Huh? Do you have a comprehension problem? I never labeled and specific
person an *****, but some of you seem to have really taken it to
heart. My friends, in the real world, if you behaved this way society
would call you an *****.
Foaming at the mouth? Huh? It's you negative nellies that are doing the
foaming, and you seem to like to drag others down into your personal hell.
What you just asked above is a typical Christian ***** response to
atheists, heard thousands of times over and over again: all you
atheists hate God because [insert cause] but you still believe in him.
Nope. Comprehension troubles again sir. I'm a died in the wool atheist
and humanist. Have been since 1989.
The most amazing part is that you won't even realize how impolite,
nasty and downright idiotic this type of a question is.
What? Are you crazy? Idiotic? Come on man, wake up and use the brain
evolution gave you.
Every atheist has had some experience with religion in some way. You
could say, "read the bible, that was enough for me," or maybe, "never
thought about religion untill I got a TV and now I'm a atheist". The
idea that you must shroud you personal feeling in secrecy, guarded by
vitriolic rhetoric speaks volumes. Why not share stories of how religion
dissapointed/angered us? Geez man.....
1. It is not necessary to "turn against" a religion in order to become
an atheist.
But you have! And you do it voraciously. And I'm not judging
that....just facinated my the whole human experience....including you....
2. No atheist would give a flying ***** about any religion,
Christianity included, if those religion's followers stopped
negatively affecting all of our lives.
Here, again, I must point out that religion does such a good job of
taking over simply because they try harder and work harder for it. If we
8% want the world to be a place with no religious meddling we, all of
us, will have to do much, much more work to stop them. Write you rep or
congressman, heck write the prez! Get out and vote. Also, Get out and
vote. So many non-xtians didn't vote that Bush got in again. What the
heck was so important that day that they couldn't go and vote? So,
please, don't complain about something you are unwilling to change by
your own efforts.
Reg's
Dar
ps; successful people are willing to do the things that unsuccessful
people are not willing to do.
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| User: "Charles & Mambo Duckman" |
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| Title: Re: Reading I Rom 14:7-12 |
17 Nov 2005 02:51:48 AM |
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Dar McWheeler wrote:
Please, Dave, could you answer me one question; what was the thing
that turned you against christianity? Were you one once and became
disillusioned or maybe brought up, as I was, in a religious/cult
family? Or worse, your girl left you for jesus?
And when after this you are most properly labeled an *****, you'll
once again start foaming at the mouth about hate this, hate that...
Huh? Do you have a comprehension problem? I never labeled and specific
person an *****, but some of you seem to have really taken it to
heart. My friends, in the real world, if you behaved this way society
would call you an *****.
Foaming at the mouth? Huh? It's you negative nellies that are doing the
foaming, and you seem to like to drag others down into your personal hell.
Look, man, I don't know about your Usenet experience and all, but judging
from your posts it's not that great. I've been posting on the Usenet for
well over ten years now, so you'll just have to trust me when I tell you
that your "question" is a standard Christian tactic of attack on atheists.
The fact that it is asked by an atheist is no excuse for the stupidity of
the question. For explanation, see below.
What you just asked above is a typical Christian ***** response to
atheists, heard thousands of times over and over again: all you
atheists hate God because [insert cause] but you still believe in him.
Nope. Comprehension troubles again sir. I'm a died in the wool atheist
and humanist. Have been since 1989.
I never said you weren't. I said it was a "typical Christian ***** response".
The most amazing part is that you won't even realize how impolite,
nasty and downright idiotic this type of a question is.
What? Are you crazy? Idiotic? Come on man, wake up and use the brain
evolution gave you.
Every atheist has had some experience with religion in some way. You
could say, "read the bible, that was enough for me," or maybe, "never
thought about religion untill I got a TV and now I'm a atheist". The
idea that you must shroud you personal feeling in secrecy, guarded by
vitriolic rhetoric speaks volumes. Why not share stories of how religion
dissapointed/angered us? Geez man.....
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you did not try to
patronize him by listing the usual "reasons" for becoming an atheist, as
listed in church brochures. You might want to frame the inquiry a little
different next time if you're honestly looking for answers to this type of a
question. Loaded questions are not a good way to get answers.
1. It is not necessary to "turn against" a religion in order to become
an atheist.
But you have!
No, as a matter of fact, I haven't. You seem to be very certain about the
way you pegged me and apparently know more about me than myself.
I became an atheist at the age of 15 while still living in a communist
country where religion was not an issue at all - while it wasn't actively
suppressed, it certainly wasn't encouraged. There was not one single reason
I would have to "turn against" Christianity at that time. I simply realized
it was all one big *****, dropped out and never gave it one more thought.
And you do it voraciously. And I'm not judging
that....just facinated my the whole human experience....including you....
I turned against religion is when this religion started negatively affecting
my life. It is as simple as that. It occurred when I first moved to the US
about seven years ago. It was a little annoying at first, but then it
rapidly avalanched into a full-scale assault after the Bush administration
came to power and especially after yet another religious act - 9/11.
How is this in any way strange? I moved to this country not only because of
better money, but because of whole slate of other issues, including its
constitutionally guaranteed freedoms and now I find that the country I moved
to has suddenly changed overnight, thanks largely to religious cretins whose
priorities in life are so skewed that they create an uproar over half a tit
on TV, yet they cheer the pre-emptive war started on false premises and
manufactured rationales.
2. No atheist would give a flying ***** about any religion,
Christianity included, if those religion's followers stopped
negatively affecting all of our lives.
Here, again, I must point out that religion does such a good job of
taking over simply because they try harder and work harder for it. If we
8% want the world to be a place with no religious meddling we, all of
us, will have to do much, much more work to stop them. Write you rep or
congressman, heck write the prez! Get out and vote. Also, Get out and
vote. So many non-xtians didn't vote that Bush got in again. What the
heck was so important that day that they couldn't go and vote? So,
please, don't complain about something you are unwilling to change by
your own efforts.
There you go with your votes again. I am tired of explaining the way
election processes work in the country where the electorate is
overwhelmingly religious and increasingly nationalistic. Democracy consists
not only of free elections, but also of constitutionally guaranteed
protection for all sorts of minorities. Just how do you propose to "vote"
for something where the vast majority is biased against it. Even when
something does get voted in, like medical marijuana, euthanasia and similar
state level measures, the federal government moves in and effectively
cancels out your vote.
We're talking about the country where not only is torture seriously being
considered against a perceived enemies, but where legislation is already
being passed to legalize it. Torture!!! And you keep telling me to vote? Get
fucked.
ps; successful people are willing to do the things that unsuccessful
people are not willing to do.
Empty slogans. As if all it takes to defeat the increasing fascisation of a
country is to go out and "vote". Tell this to the Jews in the pre-WW2
Germany. They just didn't bother to vote, that's all.
--
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood
Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House
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| User: "David V." |
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| Title: Re: Reading I Rom 14:7-12 |
16 Nov 2005 04:40:08 PM |
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Charles & Mambo Duckman wrote:
Dar McWheeler wrote:
Please, Dave, could you answer me one question; what was the
thing that turned you against christianity? Were you one
once and became disillusioned or maybe brought up, as I was,
in a religious/cult family? Or worse, your girl left you for
jesus?
And when after this you are most properly labeled an *****,
you'll once again start foaming at the mouth about hate this,
hate that...
What you just asked above is a typical Christian *****
response to atheists, heard thousands of times over and over
again: all you atheists hate God because [insert cause] but
you still believe in him.
Which leads me to believe that this guy is just a christian troll
in disguise.
--
Dave
.....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
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| User: "Dar McWheeler" |
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| Title: Re: Reading I Rom 14:7-12 |
16 Nov 2005 05:21:17 PM |
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David V. wrote:
Charles & Mambo Duckman wrote:
Dar McWheeler wrote:
Please, Dave, could you answer me one question; what was the
thing that turned you against christianity? Were you one
once and became disillusioned or maybe brought up, as I was,
in a religious/cult family? Or worse, your girl left you for
jesus?
And when after this you are most properly labeled an *****,
you'll once again start foaming at the mouth about hate this,
hate that...
What you just asked above is a typical Christian *****
response to atheists, heard thousands of times over and over
again: all you atheists hate God because [insert cause] but
you still believe in him.
Which leads me to believe that this guy is just a christian troll
in disguise.
far, far from it. The idea that you can't discuss you ideas and thema
is pretty wonky, at best.
I'm mean, if you actually read the post you'd see that what I'm
advocating is pro-active humanism. It's folks like you, who espouse a
better ideal but fail to provide the world with the fruits of this
better idea, that make all of us humanist/atheists look bad.
I may evangelize, but it's for humanism. Let me say; THERE IS NO GOD.
But does that mean we have to be nihilists? The bible may be a spurious
tome from ancient desert dwellers but does that mean that that loving
your fellow man is a Bad thing?
Of course not! Morality outside of xtianity is a very do-able, very
worthwhile goal.
Do you give much thought to morals? And I'm not talking biblical morals,
but good old fashioned Golden Rule type stuff. Why not embrace our
humanity and use our desire for a better, (read: god free) world to be
the example to xtians that life can still be excellent without religion?
What are you showing the world by being so angry? Well, I won't be
switching camps over it, but you surely could do better don't you think.
dar
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| User: "David V." |
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| Title: Re: Reading I Rom 14:7-12 |
16 Nov 2005 06:25:18 PM |
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Dar McWheeler wrote:
David V. wrote:
Which leads me to believe that this guy is just a christian
troll in disguise.
far, far from it.
Not from what I've seen. True, I only read the first line of your
postings and ignore the rest, but you've shown me no reason to
bother reading the rest.
--
Dave
.....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
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| User: "Dar McWheeler" |
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| Title: Re: Reading I Rom 14:7-12 |
16 Nov 2005 08:21:17 PM |
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David V. wrote:
Dar McWheeler wrote:
David V. wrote:
Which leads me to believe that this guy is just a christian troll in
disguise.
far, far from it.
Not from what I've seen. True, I only read the first line of your
postings and ignore the rest, but you've shown me no reason to
bother reading the rest.
Seeing as you're only reading the first lines, how's this; take my
points about humanism and the need for greater human excellence and
acheivment and show me how my ideas are in error. I swear to the Great
Spaggetti Monster I will listen and take you seriously.
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| User: "David V." |
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| Title: Re: Reading I Rom 14:7-12 |
16 Nov 2005 09:21:58 PM |
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Dar McWheeler wrote:
David V. wrote:
Not from what I've seen. True, I only read the first line of your
postings and ignore the rest, but you've shown me no reason to
bother reading the rest.
Seeing as you're only reading the first lines, how's this
How's what?
--
Dave
.....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
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| User: "Dar McWheeler" |
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| Title: Re: Reading I Rom 14:7-12 |
16 Nov 2005 10:58:19 PM |
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David V. wrote:
Dar McWheeler wrote:
David V. wrote:
Not from what I've seen. True, I only read the first line of your
postings and ignore the rest, but you've shown me no reason to
bother reading the rest.
Seeing as you're only reading the first lines, how's this
How's what?
It was said in another post. So, how's about it? I challenge you to tear
my arugements appart instead of tearing me apart. Go back to the first
posts and really give some thought to my propositions.
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| User: "David V." |
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| Title: Re: Reading I Rom 14:7-12 |
17 Nov 2005 02:11:34 AM |
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Dar McWheeler wrote:
David V. wrote:
Dar McWheeler wrote:
David V. wrote:
Not from what I've seen. True, I only read the first line of your
postings and ignore the rest, but you've shown me no reason to
bother reading the rest.
Seeing as you're only reading the first lines, how's this
How's what?
It was said in another post.
Let me know when you grow up.
--
Dave
.....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
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