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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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11 Nov 2005 09:22:00 PM |
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Re: Real Christians should denounce Robertson |
"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
November 11, 2005
Pat Robertson Warns Pa. Town of Disaster
He _is_ a "real Christian."
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| User: "Rev. 11D Meow" |
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| Title: Re: Real Christians should denounce Robertson |
17 Nov 2005 03:20:41 AM |
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"Jake S." <none@none.none> wrote in message
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Do you have any real point to contribute, or are you just in a "plonking"
sort of mood?
Are there any Real Xtians any more?
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| User: "Jake S." |
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| Title: Re: Real Christians should denounce Robertson |
17 Nov 2005 10:44:10 AM |
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Rev. 11D Meow wrote:
"Jake S." <none@none.none> wrote in message
news:437B9483.6040301@none.none...
Do you have any real point to contribute, or are you just in a "plonking"
sort of mood?
Are there any Real Xtians any more?
I believe that there are (I know that there at least several ;).... but
that they aren't as noisy -- especially in vocal and continuing
opposition to the policies and/or statements of today's crop of
"Christians" like George Bush, Pat Robertson, Jerry Fallwell (in earlier
times I'd be listing Hitler, The Spanish Inquisition, The Crusades, the
Pope(s) who sold "indulgences," and the Salem Witch Trials, to name a
few) -- as they should be. They've marched against the war(s), and have
worked for groups and people who promote peace and civilized goals.....
but they're much less likely - or willing - to wear their faith as a
banner (or shove it into every conversation whenever there's a lull)
than the "Christians" are. They do need, in some way, to "take on" the
false-face brigade of "Christianity" or "the brand" ;) - and the real
message - will disappear completely.
These are honest, kind, caring, non-judgemental, decent, hard-working
and peaceful people. It runs against their grain to be "in your face"
about anything - but I'm afraid that will have to change, to some extent.
--
Jake Starling
czmissometimes@zephyr.net
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Real Christians should denounce Robertson |
14 Nov 2005 12:09:30 AM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
"Jake S." <none@none.none> wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
"Jake S." <none@none.none> wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Anyone who says he or she is a Christian is a Christian -- there is
no other metric for ma king the determination. The _history_ of
Christianity shows that Pat Robertson, George W. Bush, and even Adolf
Hitler are or were Christian.
Is anyone who says that he or she is kind, kind... or do you look to
their actions to prov e - or disprove - their claim?
If you want to determine whether someone is a club member or not,
you look at what the club has historically stood for and whether
the someone acts and advocates what that club stands for.
Ergo Pat Rober tson, Adolf Hitler, George Bush, and Tony Blair are
undeniably Christians -- or was Christian in Hitler's case.
Everything else are lame attempts to deny Christianity.
A "club".....? Are you being intentionally dishonest, or do you believe th at?
club -- 4. A group of people organized for a common purpose,
especially a group that meets regularly. 5. The building,
room, or other facility used for the meetings of an organized
group. 6. Sports. An athletic team or or ganization. 7. A
nightclub.
Christanity is a club -- an historicaly bloody and evil one. And
knowing Christianity's history, when one joins the club one be
stating one's agreement with its history and what it stands for.
It is no coincidence that Fried Rice sounds just like a fundy.
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| User: "George Z. Bush" |
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| Title: Re: Real Christians should denounce Robertson |
12 Nov 2005 08:17:15 PM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
"George Z. Bush" <georgezbush@charter.net.nospam> wrote:
Anybody can claim to be a Christian.....but you have to act the act to be a
real christian. I haven't seen too much christian love or action out of
anything Robertson is involved in.
Anyone who says he or she is a Christian is a Christian -- there is
no other metric for making the determination. The _history_ of
Christianity shows that Pat Robertson, George W. Bush, and even Adolf
Hitler are or were Christian.
You obviously didn't understand that there are Christians and there are
christians. The ones with the small "c" live their lives in a way that wouldn't
have embarrassed He whose name the religion bears. I'd sooner not be one with a
big "C" if I had to keep company with the trio you named above.
George Z.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: Real Christians should denounce Robertson |
13 Nov 2005 11:16:03 AM |
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"George Z. Bush" <georgezbush@charter.net.nospam> wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
"George Z. Bush" <georgezbush@charter.net.nospam> wrote:
Anybody can claim to be a Christian.....but you have to act the act to be a
real christian. I haven't seen too much christian love or action out of
anything Robertson is involved in.
Anyone who says he or she is a Christian is a Christian -- there is
no other metric for making the determination. The _history_ of
Christianity shows that Pat Robertson, George W. Bush, and even Adolf
Hitler are or were Christian.
You obviously didn't understand that there are Christians and there are
christians. The ones with the small "c" live their lives in a way that wouldn't
have embarrassed He whose name the religion bears. I'd sooner not be one with a
big "C" if I had to keep company with the trio you named above.
You obviously ignore the history of Christianity and what it stands for.
Trying to pretend that all the Christians that came before you aren't
Christians -- while pretending you can make it so by not capitalizing
it -- is silly.
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http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
"Sex is only perverted if it implants voracious alien parasites in your
bladder or rectum." -- nu-monet v8.0
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Real Christians should denounce Robertson |
12 Nov 2005 03:33:22 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:30:19 -0500, in alt.atheism
"George Z. Bush" <georgezbush@charter.net.nospam> wrote in
<qisdf.7035$Cw4.1663@fe03.lga>:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
"nafc" <nafc@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"George Z. Bush" <georgezbush@charter.net.nospam> wrote in message
news:CGddf.9167$GT3.6051@fe02.lga...
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
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"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
November 11, 2005 Pat Robertson Warns Pa. Town of Disaster
He _is_ a "real Christian."
He's about as much a "real Christian" as Osama bin Laden is a "real Muslim".
Will you guys stop it. I can't stand those bagpipes anymore.
And Robertson _was_ for the longest time "The 700 Club." How could
_anyone_ even remotely suggest that he some how isn't a Christian?
Anybody can claim to be a Christian.....but you have to act the act to be a real
christian. I haven't seen too much christian love or action out of anything
Robertson is involved in.
He actually is not on the wrong side of one thing. He bought a refinery
in California that he's been trying to reopen, but it appears the majors
are playing games to keep him from reopening it. Of course he probably
bought it for fire sale prices because the prior owner also had problems
trying to reopen.
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| User: "Sid9" |
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| Title: Re: Real Christians should denounce Robertson |
12 Nov 2005 03:39:03 PM |
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David Jensen wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:30:19 -0500, in alt.atheism
"George Z. Bush" <georgezbush@charter.net.nospam> wrote in
<qisdf.7035$Cw4.1663@fe03.lga>:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
"nafc" <nafc@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"George Z. Bush" <georgezbush@charter.net.nospam> wrote in message
news:CGddf.9167$GT3.6051@fe02.lga...
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11nanubj1qh3948@corp.supernews.com...
"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
November 11, 2005 Pat Robertson Warns Pa. Town of Disaster
He _is_ a "real Christian."
He's about as much a "real Christian" as Osama bin Laden is a
"real Muslim".
Will you guys stop it. I can't stand those bagpipes anymore.
And Robertson _was_ for the longest time "The 700 Club." How could
_anyone_ even remotely suggest that he some how isn't a Christian?
Anybody can claim to be a Christian.....but you have to act the act
to be a real christian. I haven't seen too much christian love or
action out of anything Robertson is involved in.
He actually is not on the wrong side of one thing. He bought a
refinery in California that he's been trying to reopen, but it
appears the majors are playing games to keep him from reopening it.
Of course he probably bought it for fire sale prices because the
prior owner also had problems trying to reopen.
Robertson is a wealthy
money grubbing Elmer
Gantry stealing from the
poor with his religious lies.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Real Christians should denounce Robertson |
12 Nov 2005 03:45:43 PM |
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:39:03 -0500, in alt.atheism
"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in
<Tftdf.61442$ty1.50160@bignews1.bellsouth.net>:
David Jensen wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:30:19 -0500, in alt.atheism
"George Z. Bush" <georgezbush@charter.net.nospam> wrote in
<qisdf.7035$Cw4.1663@fe03.lga>:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
"nafc" <nafc@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"George Z. Bush" <georgezbush@charter.net.nospam> wrote in message
news:CGddf.9167$GT3.6051@fe02.lga...
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11nanubj1qh3948@corp.supernews.com...
"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
November 11, 2005 Pat Robertson Warns Pa. Town of Disaster
He _is_ a "real Christian."
He's about as much a "real Christian" as Osama bin Laden is a
"real Muslim".
Will you guys stop it. I can't stand those bagpipes anymore.
And Robertson _was_ for the longest time "The 700 Club." How could
_anyone_ even remotely suggest that he some how isn't a Christian?
Anybody can claim to be a Christian.....but you have to act the act
to be a real christian. I haven't seen too much christian love or
action out of anything Robertson is involved in.
He actually is not on the wrong side of one thing. He bought a
refinery in California that he's been trying to reopen, but it
appears the majors are playing games to keep him from reopening it.
Of course he probably bought it for fire sale prices because the
prior owner also had problems trying to reopen.
Robertson is a wealthy
money grubbing Elmer
Gantry stealing from the
poor with his religious lies.
I agree. I just enjoy the irony that his investment (of money, no doubt,
donated by his followers) is going bad.
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| User: "Tempest" |
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| Title: Re: Real Christians should denounce Robertson |
12 Nov 2005 04:42:40 PM |
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David Jensen wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:30:19 -0500, in alt.atheism
"George Z. Bush" <georgezbush@charter.net.nospam> wrote in
<qisdf.7035$Cw4.1663@fe03.lga>:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
"nafc" <nafc@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"George Z. Bush" <georgezbush@charter.net.nospam> wrote in message
news:CGddf.9167$GT3.6051@fe02.lga...
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11nanubj1qh3948@corp.supernews.com...
"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
November 11, 2005 Pat Robertson Warns Pa. Town of Disaster
He _is_ a "real Christian."
He's about as much a "real Christian" as Osama bin Laden is a "real Muslim".
Will you guys stop it. I can't stand those bagpipes anymore.
And Robertson _was_ for the longest time "The 700 Club." How could
_anyone_ even remotely suggest that he some how isn't a Christian?
Anybody can claim to be a Christian.....but you have to act the act to be a real
christian. I haven't seen too much christian love or action out of anything
Robertson is involved in.
He actually is not on the wrong side of one thing. He bought a refinery
in California that he's been trying to reopen, but it appears the majors
are playing games to keep him from reopening it. Of course he probably
bought it for fire sale prices because the prior owner also had problems
trying to reopen.
Robertson will do okay even without the refinery.
He still has the gold mines in Liberia he partnered up with the mass
murderer Charles Taylor.
--
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do,
because I notice it always coincides with their own desires."
- Susan B. Anthony, 1896
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| User: "kathryn" |
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12 Nov 2005 07:36:13 AM |
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"George Z. Bush" <georgezbush@charter.net.nospam> wrote in message
news:CGddf.9167$GT3.6051@fe02.lga...
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11nanubj1qh3948@corp.supernews.com...
"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
November 11, 2005
Pat Robertson Warns Pa. Town of Disaster
He _is_ a "real Christian."
He's about as much a "real Christian" as Osama bin Laden is a "real
Muslim".
George Z.
are there continuity christians and provisional christians?
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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12 Nov 2005 02:54:18 AM |
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"George Z. Bush" <georgezbush@charter.net.nospam> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11nanubj1qh3948@corp.supernews.com...
"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
November 11, 2005
Pat Robertson Warns Pa. Town of Disaster
He _is_ a "real Christian."
He's about as much a "real Christian" as Osama bin Laden is a "real Muslim".
Quite true. These's no such thing as a "false Christian" or a
"false Muslim."
---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
"Sex is only perverted if it implants voracious alien parasites in your
bladder or rectum." -- nu-monet v8.0
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| User: "Ray Martinez" |
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12 Nov 2005 12:44:16 PM |
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George Z. Bush wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11nanubj1qh3948@corp.supernews.com...
"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
November 11, 2005
Pat Robertson Warns Pa. Town of Disaster
He _is_ a "real Christian."
He's about as much a "real Christian" as Osama bin Laden is a "real Muslim".
George Z.
Hitler claimed to be a christian.
Ken Miller claims to be a christian. How many Michael Corleone type
Catholics do you think exist ?
Christians defended an atheist pissing into a bottle and inserting a
cross as art/free speech.
The KKK claim christianity. tEists (intentional lower case "t") claim
to be christians.
Mother Teresa claimed to be a christian.
Darwin claimed to be a christian, but later renounced christianity.
Pat Robertson a christian ?
Why not ?
Ray Martinez
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