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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Andres64"
Date: 01 Mar 2004 12:34:19 PM
Object: Re: Religious kooks and Mel Gibson's "Passion"...
Tinas49ers wrote:

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<...>

Gays who want to marry are doing the same thing. They are,
generously, maybe a million and a half. One half of one percent of
all Americans. And this one half of one percent wants to dictate how
the other 99.5 live. And the libs think this is great!


Except that it's a complete lie.

The 0.5% don't want the 99.5% to dictate how *they* should live.


They want to dictate what the standard of marriage is.


Apparently, so do you.


I do? What have I said about it?


From your phraseology, I inferred that you're in favor of defining marriage


as
between different sexes.

Is that not the case?

Jim



I want gays to go through the legal process

....snip...
Answer the question: Are *you* against gays marrying? (yes/no)
--
Andres64
a.a. #1624
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we
fall.
- Confucius
.

User: "Andres64"

Title: Re: Religious kooks and Mel Gibson's "Passion"... 01 Mar 2004 06:36:49 PM
Tinas49ers wrote:

From: Andres64



Tinas49ers wrote:


From: "Clave



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From: "Clave"


"mightyjoe" <mightjoe@attbi.com> wrote in message
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<...>

Gays who want to marry are doing the same thing. They are,
generously, maybe a million and a half. One half of one percent of
all Americans. And this one half of one percent wants to dictate how
the other 99.5 live. And the libs think this is great!


Except that it's a complete lie.

The 0.5% don't want the 99.5% to dictate how *they* should live.


They want to dictate what the standard of marriage is.


Apparently, so do you.


I do? What have I said about it?


From your phraseology, I inferred that you're in favor of defining marriage



as
between different sexes.

Is that not the case?

Jim



I want gays to go through the legal process


...snip...

Answer the question: Are *you* against gays marrying? (yes/no)




Not as long as it has become LEGALLY accepted.

So your only objection is a legal one?
--
Andres64
a.a. #1624
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we
fall.
- Confucius
.
User: "Andres64"

Title: Re: Religious kooks and Mel Gibson's "Passion"... 01 Mar 2004 07:46:03 PM
Tinas49ers wrote:

From: Andres64



Tinas49ers wrote:


From: Andres64



Tinas49ers wrote:



From: "Clave



"Tinas49ers" <tinas49ers@aol.com> wrote in message
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From: "Clave"


"Tinas49ers" <tinas49ers@aol.com> wrote in message
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From: "Clave"


"mightyjoe" <mightjoe@attbi.com> wrote in message
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<...>

Gays who want to marry are doing the same thing. They are,
generously, maybe a million and a half. One half of one percent of
all Americans. And this one half of one percent wants to dictate


how

the other 99.5 live. And the libs think this is great!


Except that it's a complete lie.

The 0.5% don't want the 99.5% to dictate how *they* should live.


They want to dictate what the standard of marriage is.


Apparently, so do you.


I do? What have I said about it?


From your phraseology, I inferred that you're in favor of defining


marriage


as
between different sexes.

Is that not the case?

Jim



I want gays to go through the legal process


...snip...

Answer the question: Are *you* against gays marrying? (yes/no)




Not as long as it has become LEGALLY accepted.


So your only objection is a legal one?




Yeah, imagine that, I want gays to follow the laws, just like everyone else.

So you were perfectly fine with the idea of gays marrying until it the
CA referendum you mentioned? You're fine with the MA court's ruling?
You don't support the proposed Constitutional Amendment?

Don't they want to be like everyone else? Isn't that THEIR point?

Yes. And everyone else *is* allowed to marry.

If they want
to be married like us, then they need to follow the laws, like all of us do.

So you were perfectly fine with the idea of gays marrying until it the
CA referendum you mentioned? You're fine with the MA court's ruling?
You don't support the proposed Constitutional Amendment?
--
Andres64
a.a. #1624
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we
fall.
- Confucius
.
User: "Andres64"

Title: Re: Religious kooks and Mel Gibson's "Passion"... 01 Mar 2004 09:06:16 PM
Tinas49ers wrote:

From: Andres64



Tinas49ers wrote:


From: Andres64



Tinas49ers wrote:



From: Andres64



Tinas49ers wrote:




From: "Clave



"Tinas49ers" <tinas49ers@aol.com> wrote in message
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From: "Clave"


"Tinas49ers" <tinas49ers@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040229170101.02929.00000585@mb-m15.aol.com...




From: "Clave"


"mightyjoe" <mightjoe@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:l4n34096q5vhma5d656ije9uqg10m95oqb@4ax.com...

<...>

Gays who want to marry are doing the same thing. They are,
generously, maybe a million and a half. One half of one percent


of

all Americans. And this one half of one percent wants to dictate


how


the other 99.5 live. And the libs think this is great!


Except that it's a complete lie.

The 0.5% don't want the 99.5% to dictate how *they* should live.


They want to dictate what the standard of marriage is.


Apparently, so do you.


I do? What have I said about it?


From your phraseology, I inferred that you're in favor of defining


marriage


as
between different sexes.

Is that not the case?

Jim



I want gays to go through the legal process


...snip...

Answer the question: Are *you* against gays marrying? (yes/no)




Not as long as it has become LEGALLY accepted.


So your only objection is a legal one?




Yeah, imagine that, I want gays to follow the laws, just like everyone


else.

So you were perfectly fine with the idea of gays marrying until it the
CA referendum you mentioned? You're fine with the MA court's ruling?
You don't support the proposed Constitutional Amendment?

Not going to answer?

Don't they want to be like everyone else? Isn't that THEIR point?


Yes. And everyone else *is* allowed to marry.

No comment?

If they want
to be married like us, then they need to follow the laws, like all of us


do.

So you were perfectly fine with the idea of gays marrying until it the
CA referendum you mentioned?


I mentioned a Ca. referendum?

You mentioned Prop. 2. Remember? So, the question(s) are: 1) Did you
support or oppose the proposition (or would you have had you done
either)? 2) You were perfectly fine with a man marrying another man
and/or a woman marrying another woman until Prop. 2? Yes or no?


You're fine with the MA court's ruling?

I dont know the fine print of it.

What does that matter? Either you support the court allowing gays to
marry, or you don't. Which is it?

You don't support the proposed Constitutional Amendment?


I need to see what the wording of it is. I dont think, overall, the The
Constitution should have anything to do with marriage.

So you oppose the proposed Amendment?
--
Andres64
a.a. #1624
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we
fall.
- Confucius
.
User: "Andres64"

Title: Re: Religious kooks and Mel Gibson's "Passion"... 01 Mar 2004 10:10:23 PM
Tinas49ers wrote:

From: Andres64



You mentioned Prop. 2. Remember? So, the question(s) are: 1) Did you
support or oppose the proposition



I DID support it, but my views have since changed.

How so?

2) You were perfectly fine with a man marrying another man
and/or a woman marrying another woman until Prop. 2? Yes or no?



no, I wasn't fine. I'm still not comfortable with it, but I would say I'm not
opposed.

So, if it were to come to a Constitutional Amendment banning gay
marriage, would you vote for or against it?

You're fine with the MA court's ruling?

I dont know the fine print of it.


What does that matter?



A LOT! I'm not going to agree to something when I dont know the wording. Do you
blindly support things?

I support the rights of people to live as they wish so long as they do
not impinge upon the rights of others. Who someone else marries is none
of my (your) business since it has no impact on me (you).
--
Andres64
a.a. #1624
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we
fall.
- Confucius
.





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