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19 Sep 2004 06:26:52 PM |
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Re: Repost - Why God created us to suffer |
"Gwar" <xeno@xor.qua> wrote in message
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2004, emjee wrote:
Satan blew his chance at salvation, because of his pride. You know
anyone like that today? We all do. Satan HAD his chance. God is giving
you the same chance he had. Which will you choose?
Call the Better Deity Bureau & report this extortion racket you're caught
up in.
Religion being an "extortion racket"? That's atheism and should be
posted to atheist NG, not to our pristine Christian ones. I will post you
over to them, (again!!!!!).
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| User: "Hector Plasmic" |
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21 Sep 2004 08:58:30 AM |
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"Pastor Fank" <PF@Christfirst.com> wrote in message news:<1095639289.e31sq4ngXazo14vwsjVcIg@teranews>...
Religion being an "extortion racket"? That's atheism
No, that's Christianity: "Believe in this, get a reward. Refuse, get
punished forever. Please make your (ahem) free choice now."
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| User: "dwacon" |
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25 Sep 2004 10:30:00 AM |
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God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
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Christian Weapons of Mass Destruction
http://www.cafepress.com/powerpress
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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25 Sep 2004 01:03:35 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:30:00 -0400 in alt.atheism, dwacon ("dwacon"
<hee.haw@jack.*****>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
"One day the Gestapo hanged a child. Even the SS were disturbed by the
prospect of hanging a young boy in front of thousands of spectators.
The child, Wiesel recalled, had the face of a 'sad-eyed angel,' was
silent, lividly pale and almost calm as he ascended the gallows.
Behind Wiesel, one of the other prisoners asked 'Where is God? Where
is He?' It took the child half an hour to die, while the prisoners
were forced to look him in the face. The same man asked 'Where is God
now?' And Wiesel heard a voice within him make this answer: 'Where is
He? Here He is - He is hanging here on this gallows.''[1].
I'd be interested to read your explanation of "choice" with respect to
the above.
[1] - Elie Wiesel," Night," trans. Stella Rodway (Harmondsworth,
1981), p45. In Armstrong Karen, A History of God, (Ballantine, NY
1994), p375
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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26 Sep 2004 05:36:58 AM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:30:00 -0400 in alt.atheism, dwacon ("dwacon"
<hee.haw@jack.*****>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
"One day the Gestapo hanged a child. Even the SS were disturbed by the
prospect of hanging a young boy in front of thousands of spectators.
The child, Wiesel recalled, had the face of a 'sad-eyed angel,' was
silent, lividly pale and almost calm as he ascended the gallows.
Behind Wiesel, one of the other prisoners asked 'Where is God? Where
is He?' It took the child half an hour to die, while the prisoners
were forced to look him in the face. The same man asked 'Where is God
now?' And Wiesel heard a voice within him make this answer: 'Where is
He? Here He is - He is hanging here on this gallows.''[1].
Are you saying, that "we" are not the "Gestapo" and that "we" did not
make that choice? You sound like that wag who said: It takes all kinds to
make a world, and I am just glad I'm not one of them. LOL
Pastor Frank
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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26 Sep 2004 05:52:19 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 06:36:58 -0400 in alt.atheism, Pastor Frank
("Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:30:00 -0400 in alt.atheism, dwacon ("dwacon"
<hee.haw@jack.*****>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
"One day the Gestapo hanged a child. Even the SS were disturbed by the
prospect of hanging a young boy in front of thousands of spectators.
The child, Wiesel recalled, had the face of a 'sad-eyed angel,' was
silent, lividly pale and almost calm as he ascended the gallows.
Behind Wiesel, one of the other prisoners asked 'Where is God? Where
is He?' It took the child half an hour to die, while the prisoners
were forced to look him in the face. The same man asked 'Where is God
now?' And Wiesel heard a voice within him make this answer: 'Where is
He? Here He is - He is hanging here on this gallows.''[1].
Are you saying, that "we" are not the "Gestapo" and that "we" did not
make that choice? You sound like that wag who said: It takes all kinds to
make a world, and I am just glad I'm not one of them. LOL
I'm asking what choice the child in question had?
--
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- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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25 Sep 2004 03:59:12 PM |
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"dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote in message
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God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
--
Christian Weapons of Mass Destruction
http://www.cafepress.com/powerpress
Actually, there is no god, and we did not choose that. It just happened.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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26 Sep 2004 05:41:01 AM |
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"Bob" <somebody@SOMEPLACE.COM> wrote in message
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"dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote in message
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God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
Christian Weapons of Mass Destruction
http://www.cafepress.com/powerpress
Actually, there is no god, and we did not choose that. It just happened.
LIAR!!! How can I sell my hand-carved alabaster Brasilian Figa fertiliy
god, with people like you denying it exists?
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| User: "Woden wodencharternet" |
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25 Sep 2004 10:55:00 AM |
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"dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote in news:U9g5d.1058$Ok.839@okepread04:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
Of course, we chose to have hurricanes and earthquakes and famines and
floods and droughts....
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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26 Sep 2004 05:31:29 AM |
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"Woden" <wodencharternet> wrote in message
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"dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote in news:U9g5d.1058$Ok.839@okepread04:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
Of course, we chose to have hurricanes and earthquakes and famines and
floods and droughts....
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
Aren't we all glad, that those "ancient myths and superstitions" tell us
to be humane to each other or we will see hell. We are also glad that the
above is perfectly logical, in fact it's a truism, and only those whose
motto is: 'Do unto others......whatever you can get away with', would object
to it.
Unfortunately "the generations of subtle brainwashing" doesn't work well
enough to make us all humane, i.e. loving and caring of others as we care
about ourselves, for most of us still only care about ourselves, and merely
turn up the music to drown out the screams of the tortured and cheerfully
build our homes on top of an ever increasing number of mass-graves.
Pastor Frank
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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| User: "Woden wodencharternet" |
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26 Sep 2004 09:46:06 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in
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Ah, Frank, you're back.
"Woden" <wodencharternet> wrote in message
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"dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote in
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God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
Of course, we chose to have hurricanes and earthquakes and famines
and floods and droughts....
(snip)
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's
thoughts, lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions,
perpetrated through generations of subtle yet pervasive
brainwashing."
Aren't we all glad, that those "ancient myths and superstitions"
tell us
to be humane to each other or we will see hell.
Aren't we glad that reason teaches us to be humane to each other because
it's really in our own best interest. No "myths and superstitions"
required.
We are also glad that
the above is perfectly logical, in fact it's a truism, and only those
whose motto is: 'Do unto others......whatever you can get away with',
would object to it.
Yeah, the xian ways are pretty objectionable.
Unfortunately "the generations of subtle brainwashing" doesn't
work well
enough to make us all humane, i.e. loving and caring of others as we
care about ourselves, for most of us still only care about ourselves,
and merely turn up the music to drown out the screams of the tortured
and cheerfully build our homes on top of an ever increasing number of
mass-graves.
That pretty much sums up religion.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Tom" |
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26 Sep 2004 04:04:43 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"Woden" <wodencharternet> wrote in message
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"dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote in news:U9g5d.1058$Ok.839@okepread04:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
Of course, we chose to have hurricanes and earthquakes and famines and
floods and droughts....
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
Aren't we all glad, that those "ancient myths and superstitions" tell
us
to be humane to each other or we will see hell.
They do?? Seems "Pastor" Frank hasn't read the Old Testament.
We are also glad that the
above is perfectly logical, in fact it's a truism, and only those whose
motto is: 'Do unto others......whatever you can get away with', would
object
to it.
That isn't the way we evolved.
Unfortunately "the generations of subtle brainwashing" doesn't work
well
enough to make us all humane, i.e. loving and caring of others as we care
about ourselves, for most of us still only care about ourselves, and
merely
turn up the music to drown out the screams of the tortured and cheerfully
build our homes on top of an ever increasing number of mass-graves.
And just what is your explanation of the loving and caring folks in the OT?
How many generations of brainwashing did it take for them to become the
kind, loving folks that they were?
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| User: "Neal" |
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25 Sep 2004 11:24:05 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:55:00 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
"dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote in news:U9g5d.1058$Ok.839@okepread04:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
Of course, we chose to have hurricanes and earthquakes and famines and
floods and droughts....
No, but we choose to suffer from them. It's our fear of the unknown and
how we cling to the known, resisting any change to our current situation,
that makes these types of disasters sufferable.
If you accept that every day brings its own set of circumstances, and you
do your best to get through that day in a way you can be satisfied with,
it's not so bad, is it?
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| User: "Woden wodencharternet" |
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25 Sep 2004 12:43:50 PM |
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Neal <neal413@yahoo.com> wrote in
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:55:00 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
"dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote in
news:U9g5d.1058$Ok.839@okepread04:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
Of course, we chose to have hurricanes and earthquakes and famines
and floods and droughts....
No, but we choose to suffer from them. It's our fear of the unknown
and how we cling to the known, resisting any change to our current
situation, that makes these types of disasters sufferable.
Not to mention the death of loved ones. But of course, it's our choice
to suffer this as well.
If you accept that every day brings its own set of circumstances, and
you do your best to get through that day in a way you can be satisfied
with, it's not so bad, is it?
So, all of these natural disasters are just god's way of teaching us to
live with misfortune.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Randy Day" |
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25 Sep 2004 03:36:08 PM |
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Woden wrote:
[snip]
No, but we choose to suffer from them. It's our fear of the unknown
and how we cling to the known, resisting any change to our current
situation, that makes these types of disasters sufferable.
Not to mention the death of loved ones. But of course, it's our choice
to suffer this as well.
Well, yes, we made the *choice* to fall in love
with these people, don't you see?
All we have to do is become sociopaths like Neal
and life will be heavenly!
<puke>
--
R
Atheist Chair,
EAC Disciplinary Committee
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| User: "thomas p" |
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26 Sep 2004 10:54:55 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:24:05 -0400, Neal <neal413@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:55:00 -0000, Woden <wodencharternet> wrote:
"dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote in news:U9g5d.1058$Ok.839@okepread04:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
Of course, we chose to have hurricanes and earthquakes and famines and
floods and droughts....
No, but we choose to suffer from them. It's our fear of the unknown and
how we cling to the known, resisting any change to our current situation,
that makes these types of disasters sufferable.
If you accept that every day brings its own set of circumstances, and you
do your best to get through that day in a way you can be satisfied with,
it's not so bad, is it?
What is not so bad? Cancer, genocide, hurricanes, the rape-murder of
children? Are those the things that are not so bad?
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25 Sep 2004 02:26:42 PM |
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"dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
<rofl!> _You_ might have, kook. Your intellectual superiors, however,
didn't.
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| those who invoke international law must themselves submit to it."
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25 Sep 2004 11:58:09 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:30:00 -0400, "dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
Appears Mental.
--
Christian Weapons of Mass Destruction
http://www.cafepress.com/powerpress
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"Terrorism" isn't the enemy: George W Bush is!
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| User: "George Washington Hayduke" |
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26 Sep 2004 11:47:20 AM |
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(The Last Liberal) wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:30:00 -0400, "dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
Appears Mental.
}:-} The religious very often does.
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| Hezbollah endorses George W. Bush: http://www.hezbollah.ws/
| "Those who seek to bestow legitimacy must themselves embody it, and
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| -- UN Secretary General Kofi Annan talking about Bush's war crimes.
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26 Sep 2004 08:44:20 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 04:58:09 GMT, (The Last Liberal) wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:30:00 -0400, "dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
Appears Mental.
God created us to choose to suffer.
--
Christian Weapons of Mass Destruction
http://www.cafepress.com/powerpress
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"Terrorism" isn't the enemy: George W Bush is!
-Barry
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Web page: http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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26 Sep 2004 09:17:38 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:44:20 +1000 in alt.atheism, Barry OGrady
(Barry OGrady <god_freee_jones@hotmail.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 04:58:09 GMT, (The Last Liberal) wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:30:00 -0400, "dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
Appears Mental.
God created us to choose to suffer.
Hummm.... God created us to choose that others suffer.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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29 Oct 2004 10:15:21 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:17:38 +0100, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:44:20 +1000 in alt.atheism, Barry OGrady
(Barry OGrady <god_freee_jones@hotmail.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 04:58:09 GMT, (The Last Liberal) wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:30:00 -0400, "dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
Appears Mental.
God created us to choose to suffer.
Hummm.... God created us to choose that others suffer.
That too.
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- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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| User: "The Last Liberal" |
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26 Sep 2004 11:36:45 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:44:20 +1000, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 04:58:09 GMT, (The Last Liberal) wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:30:00 -0400, "dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
Appears Mental.
God created us to choose to suffer.
Slandering the god is usually a Christian act.
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"Terrorism" isn't the enemy: George W Bush is!
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26 Sep 2004 10:54:54 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:30:00 -0400, "dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
That is nonsense. I can assure you that I never made such a choice.
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| User: "dwacon" |
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26 Sep 2004 12:47:17 PM |
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"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:30:00 -0400, "dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
That is nonsense. I can assure you that I never made such a choice.
Then choose to be in harmony with your world and you will not suffer.
--
During the Passion of the Christ
there was a NAKED BOY running around...
http://www.cafepress.com/powerpress
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26 Sep 2004 11:03:04 PM |
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"dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:30:00 -0400, "dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
That is nonsense. I can assure you that I never made such a choice.
Then choose to be in harmony with your world and you will not suffer.
With insane Christians slaughtering innocent kids to the left and right.
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| Hezbollah endorses George W. Bush: http://www.hezbollah.ws/
| "Those who seek to bestow legitimacy must themselves embody it, and
| those who invoke international law must themselves submit to it."
| -- UN Secretary General Kofi Annan talking about Bush's war crimes.
| These days Cat Stevens i s a terro rist while Oliver North, who sold
| weapons to Iranian mullahs and used the profits to fund Contra terrorists
| in Nicaragua, has a show on Fox News. -- http://www.commondreams.org
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| Title: Re: Repost - Why God created us to suffer |
27 Sep 2004 08:16:23 AM |
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"George Washington Hayduke" <Hayduke@AWOLBush.com> wrote in message
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"dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:30:00 -0400, "dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
That is nonsense. I can assure you that I never made such a choice.
Then choose to be in harmony with your world and you will not suffer.
With insane Christians slaughtering innocent kids to the left and right.
Only those following Christ are "Christians" and Christ commanded us to
be humane and kill no one. We are even commanded to love and care for our
enemies.
Those calling themselves Christians, but doing the opposite from what
Christ commanded, are obviously Satan's Minions, or like you say "insane
Christians", but are NOT bona fide Christians, meaning followers of Christ.
Pastor Frank
THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST
Jesus in Matthew. 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye
for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: (Exodus 21:23-24)
39: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall
smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40: And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let
him have thy cloke also.
41: And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42: Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee
turn not thou away.
43: Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour,
and hate thine enemy.
44: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do
good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you,
and persecute you;
45: That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for
he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on
the just and on the unjust.
46: For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even
the publicans the same?
47: And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? Do
not even the publicans so?
48: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is
perfect.
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His teaching is a humongous step up from Judaism's Exodus 21:23-24
"If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth
for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound,
stripe for stripe."
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| User: "George Washington Hayduke" |
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| Title: Re: Repost - Why God created us to suffer |
27 Sep 2004 08:28:33 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.com> wrote:
"George Washington Hayduke" <Hayduke@AWOLBush.com> wrote in message
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"dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:m4gdl098sik6gm5kufbgfn65lig7djetk8@4ax.com...
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:30:00 -0400, "dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
That is nonsense. I can assure you that I never made such a choice.
Then choose to be in harmony with your world and you will not suffer.
With insane Christians slaughtering innocent kids to the left and right.
Only those following Christ are "Christians" and Christ commanded us to
be humane and kill no one.
Currently Christian monsters from the United States are indiscriminately
slaughtering kids in Iraq. It's yet another chapter in Christianity and
Islam's endless history of religious atrocities committed for the God of
Abraham.
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| Hezbollah endorses George W. Bush: http://www.hezbollah.ws/
| "Those who seek to bestow legitimacy must themselves embody it, and
| those who invoke international law must themselves submit to it."
| -- UN Secretary General Kofi Annan talking about Bush's war crimes.
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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| Title: Re: Repost - Why God created us to suffer |
01 Nov 2004 08:02:01 AM |
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"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:30:00 -0400, "dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
That is nonsense. I can assure you that I never made such a choice.
You did choose it, but you didn't choose to choose it.
-Barry
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Web page: http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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27 Sep 2004 03:23:48 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 13:47:17 -0400, "dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:m4gdl098sik6gm5kufbgfn65lig7djetk8@4ax.com...
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:30:00 -0400, "dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
That is nonsense. I can assure you that I never made such a choice.
Then choose to be in harmony with your world and you will not suffer.
Suffering exists. People suffer whether or not they choose to. Try
out your pious pablum on a burn victim.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Repost - Why God created us to suffer |
28 Sep 2004 03:30:03 AM |
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"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 13:47:17 -0400, "dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
"thomas p" <thomasagainspam@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:m4gdl098sik6gm5kufbgfn65lig7djetk8@4ax.com...
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:30:00 -0400, "dwacon" <hee.haw@jack.*****> wrote:
God didn't create us to suffer. We made that choice.
That is nonsense. I can assure you that I never made such a choice.
Then choose to be in harmony with your world and you will not suffer.
Suffering exists. People suffer whether or not they choose to. Try
out your pious pablum on a burn victim.
There are no absolutes in anything, even if most people have the choice
to see their circumstance from a negative perspective and suffer, or from a
positive angle and rejoice. The general rule is, that those who can complain
have likely made a choice, only those who can't complain any longer may not
have.
Pastor Frank
Phil:4:8: Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, honest and
just, and whatsoever things are pure, lovely, and of good report; if there
be any virtue, praise and thanksgiving, think on these things.
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