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"Richard Catto" |
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29 Dec 2006 11:57:37 AM |
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Re: Saddam Swings Tonight |
Rumplestiltskin wrote:
I OPPOSE THE DEATH PENALTY!!!!!!
Today you do. Tomorrow you won't.
nonsense. i have been consistent in my opposition to the death penalty.
Your stance is as on and off as a
whores drawers. Regardless of what us 'mericans are doing there, the
man does deserve to die, if for no other reason than his attempted
genocide of his own people. Oh! Wait. There's no substantiating proof
that he did that, is there?
Saddam does not deserve to die. He should still be in power.
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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29 Dec 2006 12:53:39 PM |
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Richard Catto wrote:
Rumplestiltskin wrote:
I OPPOSE THE DEATH PENALTY!!!!!!
Today you do. Tomorrow you won't.
nonsense. i have been consistent in my opposition to the death penalty.
Your stance is as on and off as a
whores drawers. Regardless of what us 'mericans are doing there, the
man does deserve to die, if for no other reason than his attempted
genocide of his own people. Oh! Wait. There's no substantiating proof
that he did that, is there?
Saddam does not deserve to die. He should still be in power.
Saddam absolutely doesn't deserve to live. Still, the death penalty
should be abolished for any and all crimes, for the sake of never
killing an innocent person in the name of "justice."
Imprison him and let him live on cat food and water for the rest of
his life. The cheap stuff, Alley Cat, no Iams.
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| User: "WhewNotSaved" |
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29 Dec 2006 05:48:15 PM |
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"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Richard Catto wrote:
Rumplestiltskin wrote:
I OPPOSE THE DEATH PENALTY!!!!!!
Today you do. Tomorrow you won't.
nonsense. i have been consistent in my opposition to the death penalty.
Your stance is as on and off as a
whores drawers. Regardless of what us 'mericans are doing there, the
man does deserve to die, if for no other reason than his attempted
genocide of his own people. Oh! Wait. There's no substantiating proof
that he did that, is there?
Saddam does not deserve to die. He should still be in power.
Saddam absolutely doesn't deserve to live. Still, the death penalty
should be abolished for any and all crimes, for the sake of never
killing an innocent person in the name of "justice."
Imprison him and let him live on cat food and water for the rest of
his life. The cheap stuff, Alley Cat, no Iams.
what a coincidence! I can verify that. I ran out of their regular food
(the goils and money) and got Alley Cat at the 99 cents store. They'd
rather starve to death. Neither cat will touch it.
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Swings Tonight |
29 Dec 2006 01:24:13 PM |
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Father Haskell wrote:
I OPPOSE THE DEATH PENALTY!!!!!!
Today you do. Tomorrow you won't.
nonsense. i have been consistent in my opposition to the death penalty.
Your stance is as on and off as a
whores drawers. Regardless of what us 'mericans are doing there, the
man does deserve to die, if for no other reason than his attempted
genocide of his own people. Oh! Wait. There's no substantiating proof
that he did that, is there?
Saddam does not deserve to die. He should still be in power.
Saddam absolutely doesn't deserve to live.
*****!!!
Everyone, EVERYONE, has a right to LIFE.
It is written thusly in the Constitution of South Africa, and forgive
me, but I respect that above the US Constitution, for a number of very
good reasons.
The US has become a pile of dog *****. You have no fucking freedom, You
have no fucking rights. Not anymore.
You're just a fucking byword now.
Still, the death penalty
should be abolished for any and all crimes, for the sake of never
killing an innocent person in the name of "justice."
Imprison him and let him live on cat food and water for the rest of
his life. The cheap stuff, Alley Cat, no Iams.
No. He should be freed or delivered to a court that has credibility to
try him.
Heads of state have diplomatic immunity from prosecution. Why do you
think Pinochet was never prosecuted? They tried to, they failed.
Furthermore, the Iraqi court that tried him has absolutely ZERO
credibility. none whatsoever.
If you fucking Americans actually gave a ***** about international
opinion, you would have delivered Saddam Hussein to the International
Court situated in Den Haag, Koninkrijk der Nederlanden for trial.
But you fucking Americans demonstrate daily that you don't give a
*****.
So ***** you all.
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| User: "gonzo" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Swings Tonight |
29 Dec 2006 01:59:20 PM |
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"Richard Catto" <ctneditor@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167420253.573439.91170@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
Father Haskell wrote:
I OPPOSE THE DEATH PENALTY!!!!!!
Today you do. Tomorrow you won't.
nonsense. i have been consistent in my opposition to the death
penalty.
Your stance is as on and off as a
whores drawers. Regardless of what us 'mericans are doing there, the
man does deserve to die, if for no other reason than his attempted
genocide of his own people. Oh! Wait. There's no substantiating
proof
that he did that, is there?
Saddam does not deserve to die. He should still be in power.
Saddam absolutely doesn't deserve to live.
*****!!!
Everyone, EVERYONE, has a right to LIFE.
It is written thusly in the Constitution of South Africa, and forgive
me, but I respect that above the US Constitution, for a number of very
good reasons.
The US has become a pile of dog *****. You have no fucking freedom, You
have no fucking rights. Not anymore.
You're just a fucking byword now.
Still, the death penalty
should be abolished for any and all crimes, for the sake of never
killing an innocent person in the name of "justice."
Imprison him and let him live on cat food and water for the rest of
his life. The cheap stuff, Alley Cat, no Iams.
No. He should be freed or delivered to a court that has credibility to
try him.
Heads of state have diplomatic immunity from prosecution. Why do you
think Pinochet was never prosecuted? They tried to, they failed.
Furthermore, the Iraqi court that tried him has absolutely ZERO
credibility. none whatsoever.
If you fucking Americans actually gave a ***** about international
opinion, you would have delivered Saddam Hussein to the International
Court situated in Den Haag, Koninkrijk der Nederlanden for trial.
But you fucking Americans demonstrate daily that you don't give a
*****.
So ***** you all.
Pinochet had friends in the right places. A war
criminal is whoever the US *says* is a war criminal.
The number of people killed has ***** all to do with it.
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| User: "WhewNotSaved" |
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29 Dec 2006 05:50:28 PM |
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"gonzo" <nobody@nobody.here.net> wrote in message
news:en3sbr$3df$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
"Richard Catto" <ctneditor@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167420253.573439.91170@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
Father Haskell wrote:
I OPPOSE THE DEATH PENALTY!!!!!!
Today you do. Tomorrow you won't.
nonsense. i have been consistent in my opposition to the death
penalty.
Your stance is as on and off as a
whores drawers. Regardless of what us 'mericans are doing there,
the
man does deserve to die, if for no other reason than his attempted
genocide of his own people. Oh! Wait. There's no substantiating
proof
that he did that, is there?
Saddam does not deserve to die. He should still be in power.
Saddam absolutely doesn't deserve to live.
*****!!!
Everyone, EVERYONE, has a right to LIFE.
It is written thusly in the Constitution of South Africa, and forgive
me, but I respect that above the US Constitution, for a number of very
good reasons.
The US has become a pile of dog *****. You have no fucking freedom, You
have no fucking rights. Not anymore.
You're just a fucking byword now.
Still, the death penalty
should be abolished for any and all crimes, for the sake of never
killing an innocent person in the name of "justice."
Imprison him and let him live on cat food and water for the rest of
his life. The cheap stuff, Alley Cat, no Iams.
No. He should be freed or delivered to a court that has credibility to
try him.
Heads of state have diplomatic immunity from prosecution. Why do you
think Pinochet was never prosecuted? They tried to, they failed.
Furthermore, the Iraqi court that tried him has absolutely ZERO
credibility. none whatsoever.
If you fucking Americans actually gave a ***** about international
opinion, you would have delivered Saddam Hussein to the International
Court situated in Den Haag, Koninkrijk der Nederlanden for trial.
But you fucking Americans demonstrate daily that you don't give a
*****.
So ***** you all.
Pinochet had friends in the right places. A war
criminal is whoever the US *says* is a war criminal.
The number of people killed has ***** all to do with it.
Same thing with Noriega only the other way around
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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30 Dec 2006 04:26:11 AM |
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gonzo wrote:
Heads of state have diplomatic immunity from prosecution. Why do you
think Pinochet was never prosecuted? They tried to, they failed.
Pinochet had friends in the right places. A war
criminal is whoever the US *says* is a war criminal.
The number of people killed has ***** all to do with it.
I wish I lived in a world where the American president would be put on
notice that if he sets foot outside the United States, then he will be
subject to arrest and trial by the International Court.
And not just him, but other members of his corrupt administration.
then the US can declare that a state of war exists between itself and
every other country, and at least we will all know what we are dealing
with - the worst example of fascism since the Third Reich!
It's a damn shame the Cold War ended. Turns out that the Russians were
keeping the United States in check as much as they were the USSR.
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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31 Dec 2006 08:50:54 AM |
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Dennis wrote:
then the US can declare that a state of war exists between itself and
every other country, and at least we will all know what we are dealing
with - the worst example of fascism since the Third Reich!
What an absolute load of crap.
The real joke here is your brain, I see.
Dennis, when you wake up in the morning and you stare at your face in
the mirror and you ask yourself, "Why do they hate us?" I want you to
know this:
that YOU will never ever ever ever ever know the answer.
Happy New Year!
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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31 Dec 2006 09:57:26 AM |
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Richard Catto wrote:
Dennis wrote:
then the US can declare that a state of war exists between itself and
every other country, and at least we will all know what we are dealing
with - the worst example of fascism since the Third Reich!
What an absolute load of crap.
The real joke here is your brain, I see.
Dennis, when you wake up in the morning and you stare at your face in
the mirror and you ask yourself, "Why do they hate us?" I want you to
know this:
There is no "they". As one of our late great social and political
thinkers once said, on /any/ issue, one third are for, one third
are against, and one third don't care. Likewise one third of the
Muslim world hates us, but one third loves us, and one third don't
care. The wise politician knows you don't bother with the two sides,
(they're already committed and can't be influenced one way or the other)
but go after the one third who don't care. They're called "the swing
vote" and are all that matters. So if you watch one news channel
they're throwing stones, on another channel they're dancing in the
streets. It's the ones who /aren't/ doing anything you've got to
watch out for, and it's the diplomat's job to either keep them neutral
or swing them towards the friendly side as much as possible. Depending
on who gets blown up or who gets free food, some of them will join the
stone throwers and some of them will join the street dancers.
that YOU will never ever ever ever ever know the answer.
Happy New Year!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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30 Dec 2006 10:52:24 AM |
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On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 02:26:11 -0800, Richard Catto wrote:
gonzo wrote:
Heads of state have diplomatic immunity from prosecution. Why do you
think Pinochet was never prosecuted? They tried to, they failed.
Pinochet had friends in the right places. A war
criminal is whoever the US *says* is a war criminal.
The number of people killed has ***** all to do with it.
I wish I lived in a world where the American president would be put on
notice that if he sets foot outside the United States, then he will be
subject to arrest and trial by the International Court.
At the rate things are going, you may yet see that...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe is fine tuned
for life is akin to a puddle being surprised at how well it
fits its hole"
-Douglas Adams
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| User: "Kilmir" |
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30 Dec 2006 12:08:43 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo schreef:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 02:26:11 -0800, Richard Catto wrote:
gonzo wrote:
Heads of state have diplomatic immunity from prosecution. Why do you
think Pinochet was never prosecuted? They tried to, they failed.
Pinochet had friends in the right places. A war
criminal is whoever the US *says* is a war criminal.
The number of people killed has ***** all to do with it.
I wish I lived in a world where the American president would be put on
notice that if he sets foot outside the United States, then he will be
subject to arrest and trial by the International Court.
At the rate things are going, you may yet see that...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
Nah. The US never signed the international court treaty. If The Hague
would keep any US citizen prisoner on international charges they
basically have the right to consider that an act of war and invade The
Netherlands to free that person.
At least that's how it was a couple of years ago. Haven't been keeping
up with recent events concerning those treaties but the US has been
notorious in not signing international treaties the past decades.
Kilmir
#1944
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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30 Dec 2006 09:14:18 PM |
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Kilmir wrote:
Heads of state have diplomatic immunity from prosecution. Why do you
think Pinochet was never prosecuted? They tried to, they failed.
Pinochet had friends in the right places. A war
criminal is whoever the US *says* is a war criminal.
The number of people killed has ***** all to do with it.
I wish I lived in a world where the American president would be put on
notice that if he sets foot outside the United States, then he will be
subject to arrest and trial by the International Court.
At the rate things are going, you may yet see that...
Nah. The US never signed the international court treaty. If The Hague
would keep any US citizen prisoner on international charges they
basically have the right to consider that an act of war and invade The
Netherlands to free that person.
Precisely.
The United States has set itself up as an enemy of the very thing it
says it espouses and protects:
The Free World
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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29 Dec 2006 02:44:28 PM |
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On 29 Dec 2006 11:24:13 -0800, "Richard Catto" <ctneditor@gmail.com>
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Everyone, EVERYONE, has a right to LIFE.
Rights are what are given to you by the State.
It is written thusly in the Constitution of South Africa
Then, if Saddam had been dictator of South Africa, and he had been
tried in South Africa, he wouldn't be facing the death penalty.
Unfortunately for him, no one outside South Africa gives a rap about
South African laws.
The US has become a pile of dog *****.
As opposed to a nation that, for MANY decades, considered dogs to have
more rights than people who had skin that was too dark?
No. He should be freed or delivered to a court that has credibility to
try him.
Then definitely not one run by any nation that "educated" you.
When you give nonsensical or bankrupt arguments in support of your
opinion, the correctness of your opinion is no longer the issue.
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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30 Dec 2006 04:30:20 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
Everyone, EVERYONE, has a right to LIFE.
Rights are what are given to you by the State.
Not a chance. They are objective rights.
It is written thusly in the Constitution of South Africa
Then, if Saddam had been dictator of South Africa,
He wasn't, so everything else is moot.
Are you pro the death penalty? Then you are a barbarian, and beneath my
contempt!
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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02 Jan 2007 10:12:23 PM |
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On 30 Dec 2006 02:30:20 -0800, "Richard Catto" <rrcatto@gmail.com>
wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
Everyone, EVERYONE, has a right to LIFE.
Rights are what are given to you by the State.
Not a chance. They are objective rights.
If the state doesn't grant them they're a useless fiction. You can
have all the "objective right" to be, say, wealthy, that y9ou can
imagine, but that doesn't help you to get money.
It is written thusly in the Constitution of South Africa
Then, if Saddam had been dictator of South Africa,
He wasn't, so everything else is moot.
Including the Constitution of South Africa.
Are you pro the death penalty? Then you are a barbarian, and beneath my
contempt!
Then the United Nations is also. Go found your own planet.
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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03 Jan 2007 05:21:29 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
Everyone, EVERYONE, has a right to LIFE.
Rights are what are given to you by the State.
Not a chance. They are objective rights.
If the state doesn't grant them they're a useless fiction. You can
have all the "objective right" to be, say, wealthy, that y9ou can
imagine, but that doesn't help you to get money.
South Africa does not have the death penalty (anymore), ever since it
became a democracy.
FW de Klerk placed a moratorium on it when he came to office in 1989
and the new Constitution outlawed it.
Democracies don't kill their citizens!
Are you pro the death penalty? Then you are a barbarian, and beneath my
contempt!
Then the United Nations is also. Go found your own planet.
The UN is against capital punishment.
http://web.amnesty.org/wire/July2004/UN
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/news/nation/16373166.htm
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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03 Jan 2007 10:20:47 PM |
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On 3 Jan 2007 03:21:29 -0800, "Richard Catto" <ctneditor@gmail.com>
wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
Everyone, EVERYONE, has a right to LIFE.
Rights are what are given to you by the State.
Not a chance. They are objective rights.
If the state doesn't grant them they're a useless fiction. You can
have all the "objective right" to be, say, wealthy, that y9ou can
imagine, but that doesn't help you to get money.
South Africa does not have the death penalty (anymore), ever since it
became a democracy.
South Africa was the last place in the world to legally classify
people in order of their skin color, so South Africa has no claim to
morality.
FW de Klerk placed a moratorium on it when he came to office in 1989
Only against whites. Blacks could still be (and were) killed at that
time. Maybe not executed officially, but killed nonetheless.
Democracies don't kill their citizens!
Tell that to Apartheid South Africa. Refusing to classify your
citizens as "citizens" doesn't change the fact that South Africa was
killing its citizens.
Are you pro the death penalty? Then you are a barbarian, and beneath my
contempt!
Then the United Nations is also. Go found your own planet.
The UN is against capital punishment.
The UN's official position, as of a couple of days ago, is that the
death penalty is up to the individual nation.
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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04 Jan 2007 04:16:22 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
South Africa was the last place in the world to legally classify
people in order of their skin color, so South Africa has no claim to
morality.
I have every right. The South Africa you describe no longer exists.
Maybe you are not aware of that?
After all, you're an American, and we all know that Americans know
nothing about anything.
Isn't that so, Mr. Klein? You don't know very much do you?
FW de Klerk placed a moratorium on it when he came to office in 1989
Only against whites. Blacks could still be (and were) killed at that
time. Maybe not executed officially, but killed nonetheless.
The state executed no-one.
Democracies don't kill their citizens!
Tell that to Apartheid South Africa. Refusing to classify your
citizens as "citizens" doesn't change the fact that South Africa was
killing its citizens.
I can't tell it to Apartheid South Africa, Mr. Klein, because Apartheid
South Africa no longer exists.
Are you pro the death penalty? Then you are a barbarian, and beneath my
contempt!
Then the United Nations is also. Go found your own planet.
The UN is against capital punishment.
The UN's official position, as of a couple of days ago, is that the
death penalty is up to the individual nation.
No, that is incorrect, Mr. Klein.
As usual, Mr. Klein, you don't know anything.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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05 Jan 2007 07:42:34 AM |
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On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:16:22 +0200, Richard Catto <rrcatto@gmail.com>
wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
South Africa was the last place in the world to legally classify
people in order of their skin color, so South Africa has no claim to
morality.
I have every right.
I didn't address you or rights.
The South Africa you describe no longer exists.
So when a criminal stops committing the crime he's no longer guilty of
having committed it?
FW de Klerk placed a moratorium on it when he came to office in 1989
Only against whites. Blacks could still be (and were) killed at that
time. Maybe not executed officially, but killed nonetheless.
The state executed no-one.
The state, in the persons of its white citizens, executed any person
of color it wished to execute - with impunity.
Democracies don't kill their citizens!
Tell that to Apartheid South Africa. Refusing to classify your
citizens as "citizens" doesn't change the fact that South Africa was
killing its citizens.
I can't tell it to Apartheid South Africa, Mr. Klein, because Apartheid
South Africa no longer exists.
See above.
Are you pro the death penalty? Then you are a barbarian, and beneath my
contempt!
Then the United Nations is also. Go found your own planet.
The UN is against capital punishment.
The UN's official position, as of a couple of days ago, is that the
death penalty is up to the individual nation.
No, that is incorrect, Mr. Klein.
That's what the Secretary General of the UN said. You know better
than he does?
As usual, Mr. Klein, you don't know anything.
Coming from you that's a compliment.
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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05 Jan 2007 09:23:11 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
South Africa was the last place in the world to legally classify
people in order of their skin color, so South Africa has no claim to
morality.
I have every right.
I didn't address you or rights.
I DID! :-D
The South Africa you describe no longer exists.
So when a criminal stops committing the crime he's no longer guilty of
having committed it?
The New South Africa granted the old South Africa amnesty.
FW de Klerk placed a moratorium on it when he came to office in 1989
Only against whites. Blacks could still be (and were) killed at that
time. Maybe not executed officially, but killed nonetheless.
The state executed no-one.
The state, in the persons of its white citizens, executed any person
of color it wished to execute - with impunity.
no executions took place after the moratorium.
Democracies don't kill their citizens!
Tell that to Apartheid South Africa. Refusing to classify your
citizens as "citizens" doesn't change the fact that South Africa was
killing its citizens.
I can't tell it to Apartheid South Africa, Mr. Klein, because Apartheid
South Africa no longer exists.
See above.
see above.
Are you pro the death penalty? Then you are a barbarian, and beneath my
contempt!
Then the United Nations is also. Go found your own planet.
The UN is against capital punishment.
The UN's official position, as of a couple of days ago, is that the
death penalty is up to the individual nation.
No, that is incorrect, Mr. Klein.
That's what the Secretary General of the UN said. You know better
than he does?
Absolutely. He's South Korean. He's very confused.
As usual, Mr. Klein, you don't know anything.
Coming from you that's a compliment.
You're welcome. I have more for you.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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05 Jan 2007 02:45:07 PM |
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On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:23:11 +0200, Richard Catto <rrcatto@gmail.com>
wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
South Africa was the last place in the world to legally classify
people in order of their skin color, so South Africa has no claim to
morality.
I have every right.
I didn't address you or rights.
I DID! :-D
And that has what to do with the price of Cayenne in China?
The South Africa you describe no longer exists.
So when a criminal stops committing the crime he's no longer guilty of
having committed it?
The New South Africa granted the old South Africa amnesty.
That's legal, not moral. But you can't tell the difference.
FW de Klerk placed a moratorium on it when he came to office in 1989
Only against whites. Blacks could still be (and were) killed at that
time. Maybe not executed officially, but killed nonetheless.
The state executed no-one.
The state, in the persons of its white citizens, executed any person
of color it wished to execute - with impunity.
no executions took place after the moratorium.
Not one single non-white person was deliberately killed by a white
after the moratorium? Nonsense!
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| User: "Rumplestiltskin" |
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02 Jan 2007 10:51:42 PM |
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On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 23:12:23 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On 30 Dec 2006 02:30:20 -0800, "Richard Catto" <rrcatto@gmail.com>
wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
Everyone, EVERYONE, has a right to LIFE.
Rights are what are given to you by the State.
Not a chance. They are objective rights.
If the state doesn't grant them they're a useless fiction. You can
have all the "objective right" to be, say, wealthy, that y9ou can
imagine, but that doesn't help you to get money.
It is written thusly in the Constitution of South Africa
Then, if Saddam had been dictator of South Africa,
He wasn't, so everything else is moot.
Including the Constitution of South Africa.
Are you pro the death penalty? Then you are a barbarian, and beneath my
contempt!
Then the United Nations is also. Go found your own planet.
Wow. It hadn't occured to me that he was from this one.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Swings Tonight |
29 Dec 2006 02:46:26 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:44:28 -0500, in alt.atheism
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
<68vap2hlsjo4df7dpfhlu51colc4insr4s@4ax.com>:
On 29 Dec 2006 11:24:13 -0800, "Richard Catto" <ctneditor@gmail.com>
wrote:
Everyone, EVERYONE, has a right to LIFE.
Rights are what are given to you by the State.
Not from Paine's POV. He argued that there were natural rights that the
state could not morally take away from people.
It is written thusly in the Constitution of South Africa
Then, if Saddam had been dictator of South Africa, and he had been
tried in South Africa, he wouldn't be facing the death penalty.
Unfortunately for him, no one outside South Africa gives a rap about
South African laws.
The US has become a pile of dog *****.
As opposed to a nation that, for MANY decades, considered dogs to have
more rights than people who had skin that was too dark?
No. He should be freed or delivered to a court that has credibility to
try him.
Then definitely not one run by any nation that "educated" you.
When you give nonsensical or bankrupt arguments in support of your
opinion, the correctness of your opinion is no longer the issue.
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| User: "Patrick" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Swings Tonight |
29 Dec 2006 03:27:17 PM |
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In news:bjvap2pde2jcabt3cuejgc9tkiaviqjdbg@4ax.com,
Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
Everyone, EVERYONE, has a right to LIFE.
Rights are what are given to you by the State.
Not from Paine's POV. He argued that there were natural rights that
the state could not morally take away from people.
And that fucker died too! So much for "natural" rights.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Swings Tonight |
02 Jan 2007 10:13:39 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 20:46:26 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:44:28 -0500, in alt.atheism
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
<68vap2hlsjo4df7dpfhlu51colc4insr4s@4ax.com>:
On 29 Dec 2006 11:24:13 -0800, "Richard Catto" <ctneditor@gmail.com>
wrote:
Everyone, EVERYONE, has a right to LIFE.
Rights are what are given to you by the State.
Not from Paine's POV. He argued that there were natural rights that the
state could not morally take away from people.
Paine could have that view, but it didn't keep the state from taking
away rights he considered natural rights. A point of view is one
thing, reality on the ground may be something entirely different.
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Swings Tonight |
03 Jan 2007 05:28:10 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
Everyone, EVERYONE, has a right to LIFE.
Rights are what are given to you by the State.
Not from Paine's POV. He argued that there were natural rights that the
state could not morally take away from people.
Paine could have that view, but it didn't keep the state from taking
away rights he considered natural rights. A point of view is one
thing, reality on the ground may be something entirely different.
Klein, that is entirely irrelevant.
Murders happen - that does not take anything away from the fact that
they are wrong.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Swings Tonight |
03 Jan 2007 10:21:50 PM |
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On 3 Jan 2007 03:28:10 -0800, "Richard Catto" <ctneditor@gmail.com>
wrote:
Murders happen - that does not take anything away from the fact that
they are wrong.
There's no right or wrong about murder - it's a violation of law. And
you're the LAST one to talk about morality.
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Swings Tonight |
04 Jan 2007 04:37:49 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 3 Jan 2007 03:28:10 -0800, "Richard Catto" <ctneditor@gmail.com>
wrote:
Murders happen - that does not take anything away from the fact that
they are wrong.
There's no right or wrong about murder - it's a violation of law. And
you're the LAST one to talk about morality.
So do you believe that "law" is an arbitrary convention, not based in
morality?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Swings Tonight |
04 Jan 2007 07:38:46 AM |
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On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 05:37:49 -0500, "Douglas D. Anderson"
<dda@rr.rochester.com> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 3 Jan 2007 03:28:10 -0800, "Richard Catto" <ctneditor@gmail.com>
wrote:
Murders happen - that does not take anything away from the fact that
they are wrong.
There's no right or wrong about murder - it's a violation of law. And
you're the LAST one to talk about morality.
So do you believe that "law" is an arbitrary convention, not based in
morality?
Possibly based on the "morality" of some (is stoning a rape victim for
adultery "moral"?) but, since there's no such thing as absolute
morality, no law can be based on it.
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| User: "Richard Catto" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Swings Tonight |
04 Jan 2007 04:20:12 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
Murders happen - that does not take anything away from the fact that
they are wrong.
There's no right or wrong about murder - it's a violation of law.
Murder is wrong, Mr. Klein. Do I have to tell you everything?
If a country allowed people to murder each other indiscriminately,
murder would still be wrong. One would hope that one day, a better
government elected by a more civilised electorate would recognise this.
That is the situation with America today. You have a low quality
electorate. An uncivilised rabble who does not yet recognise that
killing people is wrong.
That is why you still retain a death penalty. Because you are a people
lacking civilisation.
And you're the LAST one to talk about morality.
As an American, I realise that you cannot recognise morality when you
see it, because you are ignorant.
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| User: "Rumplestiltskin" |
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| Title: Re: Saddam Swings Tonight |
04 Jan 2007 09:44:40 PM |
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On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:20:12 +0200, Richard Catto <rrcatto@gmail.com>
wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
Murders happen - that does not take anything away from the fact that
they are wrong.
There's no right or wrong about murder - it's a violation of law.
Murder is wrong, Mr. Klein. Do I have to tell you everything?
If a country allowed people to murder each other indiscriminately,
murder would still be wrong. One would hope that one day, a better
government elected by a more civilised electorate would recognise this.
That is the situation with America today. You have a low quality
electorate. An uncivilised rabble who does not yet recognise that
killing people is wrong.
That is why you still retain a death penalty. Because you are a people
lacking civilisation.
You're dead wrong there man. You oughta see this place to believe it.
For all the Americans who complain, how many of them do you see moving
out? NONE! Figure it out.
And you're the LAST one to talk about morality.
As an American, I realise that you cannot recognise morality when you
see it, because you are ignorant.
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