"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
:|Madison was in the meeting and in agreement with Jefferson, or didn't
:|you read that in my post? Also, if Jefferson had nothing to do with
:|the first amendment, why do we care that he spoke of a wall of
:|separation of church and state, then?
Which meeting was Madison in with Jefferson and what was Madison in
agreements with Jefferson on?
If you are saying that Madison was in any meeting with Jefferson that had
anything to do with the 3rd Article (it was the 3rd at the time it was
presented to and going through Congress, it didn't become the 1st Amendment
until December 15, 1791) you are full of it.
I would definitely like to see valid historical documentation presented by
you that shows this to be the case.
Madison presented the proposed (Articles))(amendments) to Congress June 8,
1789
Check the following out
Thomas Jefferson
http://sc94.ameslab.gov/TOUR/tjefferson.html
Minister to France
From 1784 to 1789, Jefferson lived outside the United States. He was sent
to Paris initially as a commissioner to help negotiate commercial treaties;
then in 1785 he succeeded Benjamin Franklin as minister to France. Most
European countries, however, were indifferent to American economic
overtures. "They seemed, in fact," Jefferson wrote, "to know little about
us. . . . They were ignorant of our commerce, and of the exchange of
articles it might offer advantageously to both parties." Only one country,
Prussia, signed a pact based on a model treaty drafted by Jefferson.
During these years Jefferson followed events in the United States with
understandable interest. He advised against any harsh punishment of those
responsible for Shay's Rebellion (1786-87) in Massachusetts. He worried
particularly that the new Constitution of the United States lacked a bill
of rights and failed to limit the number of terms for the presidency. In
France he witnessed the beginning of the French Revolution, but he doubted
whether the French people could duplicate the American example of
republican government. His advice, more conservative than might be
anticipated, was that France emulate the British system of constitutional
monarchy.
Secretary of State
When Jefferson left Paris on Sept. 26, 1789, he expected to return to his
post. On that date and unknown to him, however, Congress confirmed his
appointment as secretary of state in the first administration of George
Washington. Jefferson accepted the position with some reluctance and
largely because of Washington's insistence. He immediately expressed his
alarm at the regal forms and ceremonies that marked the executive office,
but his fears were tempered somewhat by his confidence in the character of
Washington.
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Posting and reading from alt.politics.usa.constitution OR alt.education
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the U.S. and a couple from overseas as well]
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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