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"Xomicron" |
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07 Apr 2004 01:43:08 PM |
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Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
spammaps <none@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2aq270pnfd1a82159ht5mel7bj7h60ve67@4ax.com:
If we are going to have God talk in this group then lets make it
relevant.
Is Tommy greater than Jesus ?
Jesus dies and takes three days to be resurrected, Tommy does it in a
matter of hours.
One to Tommy.
Jesus saves, Tommy kills.
I have seen people who have been 'saved' who have had their spirit
killed. Just an observation to blur the line between saving and
killing.
As the questions says 'who is greater' rather than 'who is better',
you could probably justifiably answer this question either way.
I think this is a tie.
Tommy definitely can't walk on water.
One to Jesus.
One all so far.
Tommy isn't real.
Jesus wins.
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| User: "Jesus Tits" |
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09 Apr 2004 10:10:34 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:43:08 +0000, Xomicron wrote:
Tommy isn't real.
Jesus wins.
Produce a body.
Neither wins.
Geo
atheist #15
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
10 Apr 2004 11:03:55 AM |
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Jesus' Tits <jesusgawddamit@news.com> wrote in
news:pan.2004.04.10.03.10.33.558770@none:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:43:08 +0000, Xomicron wrote:
Tommy isn't real.
Jesus wins.
Produce a body.
Neither wins.
Do you have Amelia Earhart's body? I guess she never existed.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
10 Apr 2004 12:26:19 PM |
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On 10 Apr 2004 16:03:55 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> in alt.abortion
with message-id <Xns94C77ABAB510xomicron@0.0.0.1> wrote:
Jesus' Tits <jesusgawddamit@news.com> wrote in
news:pan.2004.04.10.03.10.33.558770@none:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:43:08 +0000, Xomicron wrote:
Tommy isn't real.
Jesus wins.
Produce a body.
Neither wins.
Do you have Amelia Earhart's body? I guess she never existed.
Sorry. Independent verification in the form of photographs, newspaper
articles, and accounts of many widely scattered people who knew her
all exist. These are unrelated to each other.
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
10 Apr 2004 10:36:47 PM |
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Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:3fbg70l425u0mjibk6jgndn02mn8p6omv5@4ax.com:
On 10 Apr 2004 16:03:55 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> in alt.abortion
with message-id <Xns94C77ABAB510xomicron@0.0.0.1> wrote:
Jesus' Tits <jesusgawddamit@news.com> wrote in
news:pan.2004.04.10.03.10.33.558770@none:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:43:08 +0000, Xomicron wrote:
Tommy isn't real.
Jesus wins.
Produce a body.
Neither wins.
Do you have Amelia Earhart's body? I guess she never existed.
Sorry. Independent verification in the form of photographs, newspaper
articles, and accounts of many widely scattered people who knew her
all exist.
Of course when it comes to Jesus, personal accounts must be *****,
right?
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
11 Apr 2004 02:53:01 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 03:36:47 +0000 (UTC), Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl>
wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:3fbg70l425u0mjibk6jgndn02mn8p6omv5@4ax.com:
On 10 Apr 2004 16:03:55 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> in alt.abortion
with message-id <Xns94C77ABAB510xomicron@0.0.0.1> wrote:
Jesus' Tits <jesusgawddamit@news.com> wrote in
news:pan.2004.04.10.03.10.33.558770@none:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:43:08 +0000, Xomicron wrote:
Tommy isn't real.
Jesus wins.
Produce a body.
Neither wins.
Do you have Amelia Earhart's body? I guess she never existed.
Sorry. Independent verification in the form of photographs, newspaper
articles, and accounts of many widely scattered people who knew her
all exist.
Of course when it comes to Jesus, personal accounts must be *****,
right?
There are none. Furthermore, no matter what person is being
discussed, documentation is always questioned for accuracy. When all
of it is written by advocates of a particular religion, i.e. when it
all amounts to partisan propaganda, there are serious reasons to doubt
it. When it can be added that the different documents, all officially
recognized by the leaders of this religion, contradict each other,
there is not much credibility left.
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
11 Apr 2004 05:34:44 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 03:36:47 +0000 (UTC), Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> in
alt.abortion with message-id <Xns94C7F044283B6xomicron@0.0.0.3> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:3fbg70l425u0mjibk6jgndn02mn8p6omv5@4ax.com:
On 10 Apr 2004 16:03:55 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> in alt.abortion
with message-id <Xns94C77ABAB510xomicron@0.0.0.1> wrote:
Jesus' Tits <jesusgawddamit@news.com> wrote in
news:pan.2004.04.10.03.10.33.558770@none:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:43:08 +0000, Xomicron wrote:
Tommy isn't real.
Jesus wins.
Produce a body.
Neither wins.
Do you have Amelia Earhart's body? I guess she never existed.
Sorry. Independent verification in the form of photographs, newspaper
articles, and accounts of many widely scattered people who knew her
all exist.
Of course when it comes to Jesus, personal accounts must be *****,
right?
Please explain why personal accounts in your religion are valid with
no other verification yet such accounts in other religions are wrong.
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| User: "Jesus Penis" |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
11 Apr 2004 03:39:36 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 03:36:47 +0000, Xomicron wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:3fbg70l425u0mjibk6jgndn02mn8p6omv5@4ax.com:
On 10 Apr 2004 16:03:55 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> in alt.abortion
with message-id <Xns94C77ABAB510xomicron@0.0.0.1> wrote:
Jesus' Tits <jesusgawddamit@news.com> wrote in
news:pan.2004.04.10.03.10.33.558770@none:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:43:08 +0000, Xomicron wrote:
Tommy isn't real.
Jesus wins.
Produce a body.
Neither wins.
Do you have Amelia Earhart's body? I guess she never existed.
Sorry. Independent verification in the form of photographs, newspaper
articles, and accounts of many widely scattered people who knew her
all exist.
Of course when it comes to Jesus, personal accounts must be *****,
right?
In a word, yes.
Geo
atheist #15
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| User: "Jesus Penis" |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
11 Apr 2004 03:38:19 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:03:55 +0000, Xomicron wrote:
Jesus' Tits <jesusgawddamit@news.com> wrote in
news:pan.2004.04.10.03.10.33.558770@none:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:43:08 +0000, Xomicron wrote:
Tommy isn't real.
Jesus wins.
Produce a body.
Neither wins.
Do you have Amelia Earhart's body? I guess she never existed.
Gotta photo of Jesus?
There are plenty of photos of Amelia Earhart.
Do you have any other source of information about him other than Flavius
Josephus and the (biased) Apostles?
Independant verification through several historical sources is a good
start. In the 8 years that I have read posts on this ng, not a single
person has provided any more than the ones cited above.
Geo
atheist #15
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
08 Apr 2004 01:50:25 AM |
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On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:43:08 +0000 (UTC), Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl>
wrote:
spammaps <none@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2aq270pnfd1a82159ht5mel7bj7h60ve67@4ax.com:
If we are going to have God talk in this group then lets make it
relevant.
Is Tommy greater than Jesus ?
Jesus dies and takes three days to be resurrected, Tommy does it in a
matter of hours.
One to Tommy.
Jesus saves, Tommy kills.
I have seen people who have been 'saved' who have had their spirit
killed. Just an observation to blur the line between saving and
killing.
As the questions says 'who is greater' rather than 'who is better',
you could probably justifiably answer this question either way.
I think this is a tie.
Tommy definitely can't walk on water.
One to Jesus.
One all so far.
Tommy isn't real.
Jesus wins.
There is no evidence for Tommy.
There is no evidence for Jesus.
Tie.
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
07 Apr 2004 05:36:59 PM |
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> honored us in alt.atheism with the following
discourse:
spammaps <none@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2aq270pnfd1a82159ht5mel7bj7h60ve67@4ax.com:
If we are going to have God talk in this group then lets make it
relevant.
Is Tommy greater than Jesus ?
Jesus dies and takes three days to be resurrected, Tommy does it in a
matter of hours.
One to Tommy.
Jesus saves, Tommy kills.
I have seen people who have been 'saved' who have had their spirit
killed. Just an observation to blur the line between saving and
killing.
As the questions says 'who is greater' rather than 'who is better',
you could probably justifiably answer this question either way.
I think this is a tie.
Tommy definitely can't walk on water.
One to Jesus.
One all so far.
Tommy isn't real.
And neither is the xian Jesus. So what's your point?
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
08 Apr 2004 06:54:40 AM |
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spammaps <none@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2q4970526ch4k1vv1j0grriklcnvlr49nr@4ax.com:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:43:08 +0000 (UTC), Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl>
wrote:
spammaps <none@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2aq270pnfd1a82159ht5mel7bj7h60ve67@4ax.com:
If we are going to have God talk in this group then lets make it
relevant.
Is Tommy greater than Jesus ?
Jesus dies and takes three days to be resurrected, Tommy does it in a
matter of hours.
One to Tommy.
Jesus saves, Tommy kills.
I have seen people who have been 'saved' who have had their spirit
killed. Just an observation to blur the line between saving and
killing.
As the questions says 'who is greater' rather than 'who is better',
you could probably justifiably answer this question either way.
I think this is a tie.
Tommy definitely can't walk on water.
One to Jesus.
One all so far.
Tommy isn't real.
Jesus wins.
I'm afraid you will have to give me some evidence that Jesus is real
before I can accept that statement.
As far as I can see there is more evidence for the existence of Tommy
than for Jesus.
For instance, I see Tommy interacting with his environment and people
interacting with Tommy every day. If Tommy shoots someone they die.
I have never seen Jesus and never met anyone who has.
The existence of Jesus is just here say and does not stand up to any
scrutiny, certainly not up to the standards of any modern court.
So you're saying that eyewitness testimony won't stand up in a modern
court?
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
08 Apr 2004 02:26:02 PM |
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On 8 Apr 2004 11:54:40 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
spammaps <none@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2q4970526ch4k1vv1j0grriklcnvlr49nr@4ax.com:
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I'm afraid you will have to give me some evidence that Jesus is real
before I can accept that statement.
As far as I can see there is more evidence for the existence of Tommy
than for Jesus.
For instance, I see Tommy interacting with his environment and people
interacting with Tommy every day. If Tommy shoots someone they die.
I have never seen Jesus and never met anyone who has.
The existence of Jesus is just here say and does not stand up to any
scrutiny, certainly not up to the standards of any modern court.
So you're saying that eyewitness testimony won't stand up in a modern
court?
There is no eyewitness testimony.
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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| User: "Attila" |
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09 Apr 2004 06:32:46 AM |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:26:02 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> in alt.abortion with message-id
<qd8b701e1nr7rhdsc40mmbfafcbclct40j@4ax.com> wrote:
On 8 Apr 2004 11:54:40 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
spammaps <none@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2q4970526ch4k1vv1j0grriklcnvlr49nr@4ax.com:
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I'm afraid you will have to give me some evidence that Jesus is real
before I can accept that statement.
As far as I can see there is more evidence for the existence of Tommy
than for Jesus.
For instance, I see Tommy interacting with his environment and people
interacting with Tommy every day. If Tommy shoots someone they die.
I have never seen Jesus and never met anyone who has.
The existence of Jesus is just here say and does not stand up to any
scrutiny, certainly not up to the standards of any modern court.
So you're saying that eyewitness testimony won't stand up in a modern
court?
There is no eyewitness testimony.
Eyewitness testimony is considered one of the poorest forms of
evidence and is never used alone but in conjunction with more solid
facts.
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
09 Apr 2004 10:20:47 AM |
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Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:ec2d70tbrkkfqbis263b9g4u069gavrsh1@4ax.com:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:26:02 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> in alt.abortion with message-id
<qd8b701e1nr7rhdsc40mmbfafcbclct40j@4ax.com> wrote:
On 8 Apr 2004 11:54:40 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
spammaps <none@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2q4970526ch4k1vv1j0grriklcnvlr49nr@4ax.com:
I'm afraid you will have to give me some evidence that Jesus is real
before I can accept that statement.
As far as I can see there is more evidence for the existence of Tommy
than for Jesus.
For instance, I see Tommy interacting with his environment and people
interacting with Tommy every day. If Tommy shoots someone they die.
I have never seen Jesus and never met anyone who has.
The existence of Jesus is just here say and does not stand up to any
scrutiny, certainly not up to the standards of any modern court.
So you're saying that eyewitness testimony won't stand up in a modern
court?
There is no eyewitness testimony.
Eyewitness testimony is considered one of the poorest forms of
evidence and is never used alone but in conjunction with more solid
facts.
Moving the goalposts I see.
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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09 Apr 2004 06:36:57 AM |
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Attila wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:26:02 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> in alt.abortion with message-id
<qd8b701e1nr7rhdsc40mmbfafcbclct40j@4ax.com> wrote:
On 8 Apr 2004 11:54:40 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
spammaps <none@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2q4970526ch4k1vv1j0grriklcnvlr49nr@4ax.com:
snip
I'm afraid you will have to give me some evidence that Jesus is
real before I can accept that statement.
As far as I can see there is more evidence for the existence of
Tommy than for Jesus.
For instance, I see Tommy interacting with his environment and
people interacting with Tommy every day. If Tommy shoots someone
they die. I have never seen Jesus and never met anyone who has.
The existence of Jesus is just here say and does not stand up to
any scrutiny, certainly not up to the standards of any modern
court.
So you're saying that eyewitness testimony won't stand up in a
modern court?
There is no eyewitness testimony.
Eyewitness testimony is considered one of the poorest forms of
evidence and is never used alone but in conjunction with more solid
facts.
So.... Then the "Eyewitness Testimony" of people dead for a couple
thousand years is pretty much worthless.
--
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons
of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use
against our friends, against our allies, and against us."
Vice President Speaks at VFW 103rd National Convention, White House
(8/26/2002).
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| User: "Attila" |
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09 Apr 2004 07:47:32 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 11:36:57 GMT, "Light Templar"
<I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> in alt.abortion with message-id
<tVvdc.2362$k05.2232@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> wrote:
Attila wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:26:02 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> in alt.abortion with message-id
<qd8b701e1nr7rhdsc40mmbfafcbclct40j@4ax.com> wrote:
On 8 Apr 2004 11:54:40 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
spammaps <none@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2q4970526ch4k1vv1j0grriklcnvlr49nr@4ax.com:
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I'm afraid you will have to give me some evidence that Jesus is
real before I can accept that statement.
As far as I can see there is more evidence for the existence of
Tommy than for Jesus.
For instance, I see Tommy interacting with his environment and
people interacting with Tommy every day. If Tommy shoots someone
they die. I have never seen Jesus and never met anyone who has.
The existence of Jesus is just here say and does not stand up to
any scrutiny, certainly not up to the standards of any modern
court.
So you're saying that eyewitness testimony won't stand up in a
modern court?
There is no eyewitness testimony.
Eyewitness testimony is considered one of the poorest forms of
evidence and is never used alone but in conjunction with more solid
facts.
So.... Then the "Eyewitness Testimony" of people dead for a couple
thousand years is pretty much worthless.
I could not have said it better myself. Especially when it is
admitted this "Eyewitness Testimony" was written years after the
'eyewitnesses' were dead.
Someone out there will probably say that all history is simply
'eyewitness accounts'. Idiocy is rife.
There are also many other factors to be considered. Factors such as
context and possible motivation and intent. There can be critical.
Something totally neutral and found in context with similar accounts
is much better. For example, an account of an event contained in
accounts of other unrelated events occurring in the same area at
roughly the same time. A simple historical record of a time or place.
It rained yesterday.
God appeared today.
A war is planned for tomorrow.
That would be much more useful than simply a statement than some god
appeared.
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
09 Apr 2004 10:16:41 AM |
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Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in
news:qd8b701e1nr7rhdsc40mmbfafcbclct40j@4ax.com:
On 8 Apr 2004 11:54:40 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
spammaps <none@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2q4970526ch4k1vv1j0grriklcnvlr49nr@4ax.com:
snip
I'm afraid you will have to give me some evidence that Jesus is real
before I can accept that statement.
As far as I can see there is more evidence for the existence of Tommy
than for Jesus.
For instance, I see Tommy interacting with his environment and people
interacting with Tommy every day. If Tommy shoots someone they die.
I have never seen Jesus and never met anyone who has.
The existence of Jesus is just here say and does not stand up to any
scrutiny, certainly not up to the standards of any modern court.
So you're saying that eyewitness testimony won't stand up in a modern
court?
There is no eyewitness testimony.
You are a liar.
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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10 Apr 2004 03:08:30 AM |
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On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:16:41 +0000 (UTC), Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl>
wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in
news:qd8b701e1nr7rhdsc40mmbfafcbclct40j@4ax.com:
On 8 Apr 2004 11:54:40 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
spammaps <none@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2q4970526ch4k1vv1j0grriklcnvlr49nr@4ax.com:
snip
I'm afraid you will have to give me some evidence that Jesus is real
before I can accept that statement.
As far as I can see there is more evidence for the existence of Tommy
than for Jesus.
For instance, I see Tommy interacting with his environment and people
interacting with Tommy every day. If Tommy shoots someone they die.
I have never seen Jesus and never met anyone who has.
The existence of Jesus is just here say and does not stand up to any
scrutiny, certainly not up to the standards of any modern court.
So you're saying that eyewitness testimony won't stand up in a modern
court?
There is no eyewitness testimony.
You are a liar.
It should be easy for you to prove that statement if you have any
eyewitness testimony to offer. You do not.
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
10 Apr 2004 11:03:54 AM |
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Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in
news:8iaf70hvjqpn739pvfv2g87t2n2f1n98ul@4ax.com:
It should be easy for you to prove that statement if you have any
eyewitness testimony to offer. You do not.
Your statement proves that you are either extremely ignorant or a liar.
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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10 Apr 2004 01:58:44 PM |
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On 10 Apr 2004 16:03:54 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in
news:8iaf70hvjqpn739pvfv2g87t2n2f1n98ul@4ax.com:
It should be easy for you to prove that statement if you have any
eyewitness testimony to offer. You do not.
Your statement proves that you are either extremely ignorant or a liar.
Still no eyewitness testimony.
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
10 Apr 2004 10:39:04 PM |
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Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in
news:t8dg70h6dtr1knvh1e7b41bq3d3v8h4sbf@4ax.com:
On 10 Apr 2004 16:03:54 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in
news:8iaf70hvjqpn739pvfv2g87t2n2f1n98ul@4ax.com:
It should be easy for you to prove that statement if you have any
eyewitness testimony to offer. You do not.
Your statement proves that you are either extremely ignorant or a liar.
Still no eyewitness testimony.
Thanks for proving my point.
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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11 Apr 2004 02:53:00 AM |
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On 11 Apr 2004 03:39:04 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in
news:t8dg70h6dtr1knvh1e7b41bq3d3v8h4sbf@4ax.com:
On 10 Apr 2004 16:03:54 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in
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It should be easy for you to prove that statement if you have any
eyewitness testimony to offer. You do not.
Your statement proves that you are either extremely ignorant or a liar.
Still no eyewitness testimony.
Thanks for proving my point.
You continue to fail to present any eyewitness testimony.
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
09 Apr 2004 03:33:04 PM |
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On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:16:41 +0000 (UTC), Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> in
alt.abortion with message-id <Xns94C672BF5AC95xomicron@0.0.0.3> wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in
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On 8 Apr 2004 11:54:40 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
spammaps <none@hotmail.com> wrote in
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I'm afraid you will have to give me some evidence that Jesus is real
before I can accept that statement.
As far as I can see there is more evidence for the existence of Tommy
than for Jesus.
For instance, I see Tommy interacting with his environment and people
interacting with Tommy every day. If Tommy shoots someone they die.
I have never seen Jesus and never met anyone who has.
The existence of Jesus is just here say and does not stand up to any
scrutiny, certainly not up to the standards of any modern court.
So you're saying that eyewitness testimony won't stand up in a modern
court?
There is no eyewitness testimony.
You are a liar.
Not about that.
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
09 Apr 2004 03:46:16 PM |
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Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:e32e705jd3kf0ct5n4bo0p9euku6vgmo3t@4ax.com:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:16:41 +0000 (UTC), Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> in
alt.abortion with message-id <Xns94C672BF5AC95xomicron@0.0.0.3> wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in
news:qd8b701e1nr7rhdsc40mmbfafcbclct40j@4ax.com:
On 8 Apr 2004 11:54:40 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
spammaps <none@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2q4970526ch4k1vv1j0grriklcnvlr49nr@4ax.com:
snip
I'm afraid you will have to give me some evidence that Jesus is real
before I can accept that statement.
As far as I can see there is more evidence for the existence of
Tommy than for Jesus.
For instance, I see Tommy interacting with his environment and
people interacting with Tommy every day. If Tommy shoots someone
they die. I have never seen Jesus and never met anyone who has.
The existence of Jesus is just here say and does not stand up to any
scrutiny, certainly not up to the standards of any modern court.
So you're saying that eyewitness testimony won't stand up in a modern
court?
There is no eyewitness testimony.
You are a liar.
Not about that.
The four gospels are eyewitness testimony.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
09 Apr 2004 04:06:12 PM |
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On 9 Apr 2004 20:46:16 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> in alt.abortion
with message-id <Xns94C6AA99E86E6xomicron@0.0.0.1> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:e32e705jd3kf0ct5n4bo0p9euku6vgmo3t@4ax.com:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:16:41 +0000 (UTC), Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> in
alt.abortion with message-id <Xns94C672BF5AC95xomicron@0.0.0.3> wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in
news:qd8b701e1nr7rhdsc40mmbfafcbclct40j@4ax.com:
On 8 Apr 2004 11:54:40 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
spammaps <none@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2q4970526ch4k1vv1j0grriklcnvlr49nr@4ax.com:
snip
I'm afraid you will have to give me some evidence that Jesus is real
before I can accept that statement.
As far as I can see there is more evidence for the existence of
Tommy than for Jesus.
For instance, I see Tommy interacting with his environment and
people interacting with Tommy every day. If Tommy shoots someone
they die. I have never seen Jesus and never met anyone who has.
The existence of Jesus is just here say and does not stand up to any
scrutiny, certainly not up to the standards of any modern court.
So you're saying that eyewitness testimony won't stand up in a modern
court?
There is no eyewitness testimony.
You are a liar.
Not about that.
The four gospels are eyewitness testimony.
Not only were these written long after the fact by people who were not
there (according to the best accounts - which themselves are
unsupported) no independent proof any of the events ever occurred has
ever been found
Eyewitness testimony is notoriously inaccurate even when promptly
given.
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
09 Apr 2004 09:46:41 PM |
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Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:hr3e701sh2r521thdvplgvj5r1pglbgki4@4ax.com:
On 9 Apr 2004 20:46:16 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> in alt.abortion
with message-id <Xns94C6AA99E86E6xomicron@0.0.0.1> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:e32e705jd3kf0ct5n4bo0p9euku6vgmo3t@4ax.com:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:16:41 +0000 (UTC), Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> in
alt.abortion with message-id <Xns94C672BF5AC95xomicron@0.0.0.3> wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in
news:qd8b701e1nr7rhdsc40mmbfafcbclct40j@4ax.com:
On 8 Apr 2004 11:54:40 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
spammaps <none@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2q4970526ch4k1vv1j0grriklcnvlr49nr@4ax.com:
I'm afraid you will have to give me some evidence that Jesus is
real before I can accept that statement.
As far as I can see there is more evidence for the existence of
Tommy than for Jesus.
For instance, I see Tommy interacting with his environment and
people interacting with Tommy every day. If Tommy shoots someone
they die. I have never seen Jesus and never met anyone who has.
The existence of Jesus is just here say and does not stand up to
any scrutiny, certainly not up to the standards of any modern
court.
So you're saying that eyewitness testimony won't stand up in a
modern court?
There is no eyewitness testimony.
You are a liar.
Not about that.
The four gospels are eyewitness testimony.
Not only were these written long after the fact by people who were not
there
Total ***** coming from an armchair theologian.
Eyewitness testimony is notoriously inaccurate even when promptly
given.
Witnessing a crime and witnessing someone's life are totally different
things.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
10 Apr 2004 05:55:26 AM |
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On 10 Apr 2004 02:46:41 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> in alt.abortion
with message-id <Xns94C6E7B482C9Fxomicron@0.0.0.1> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:hr3e701sh2r521thdvplgvj5r1pglbgki4@4ax.com:
On 9 Apr 2004 20:46:16 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> in alt.abortion
with message-id <Xns94C6AA99E86E6xomicron@0.0.0.1> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:e32e705jd3kf0ct5n4bo0p9euku6vgmo3t@4ax.com:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:16:41 +0000 (UTC), Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> in
alt.abortion with message-id <Xns94C672BF5AC95xomicron@0.0.0.3> wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in
news:qd8b701e1nr7rhdsc40mmbfafcbclct40j@4ax.com:
On 8 Apr 2004 11:54:40 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
spammaps <none@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2q4970526ch4k1vv1j0grriklcnvlr49nr@4ax.com:
I'm afraid you will have to give me some evidence that Jesus is
real before I can accept that statement.
As far as I can see there is more evidence for the existence of
Tommy than for Jesus.
For instance, I see Tommy interacting with his environment and
people interacting with Tommy every day. If Tommy shoots someone
they die. I have never seen Jesus and never met anyone who has.
The existence of Jesus is just here say and does not stand up to
any scrutiny, certainly not up to the standards of any modern
court.
So you're saying that eyewitness testimony won't stand up in a
modern court?
There is no eyewitness testimony.
You are a liar.
Not about that.
The four gospels are eyewitness testimony.
Not only were these written long after the fact by people who were not
there
Total ***** coming from an armchair theologian.
I am not any kind of theologian, but only an idiot thinks your bible
was written as it happened.
Eyewitness testimony is notoriously inaccurate even when promptly
given.
Witnessing a crime and witnessing someone's life are totally different
things.
They sure are. In a crime there are specifics to address but in
'witnessing someone's life' you can be as vague as you like.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
09 Apr 2004 10:38:08 PM |
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> in alt.abortion
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
The four gospels are eyewitness testimony.
Not only were these written long after the fact by people who were not
there
Total ***** coming from an armchair theologian.
You're an irrational fanatic.
http://thesumners.com/bible/faqs/faqs3.html#02
The 27 books of the New Testament were written in a much shorter
span of time. The earliest is probably the letter to the
Galatians, written by Paul in the late 40s or early 50s AD. The
first gospel, most likely Mark, is dated in the 50s or early 60s
AD (though some place it just before the destruction of Jerusalem
in 70AD). The last book of the Bible, Revelation, was most likely
written around 95AD.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
10 Apr 2004 04:18:05 AM |
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On 9 Apr 2004 20:46:16 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:e32e705jd3kf0ct5n4bo0p9euku6vgmo3t@4ax.com:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:16:41 +0000 (UTC), Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> in
alt.abortion with message-id <Xns94C672BF5AC95xomicron@0.0.0.3> wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in
news:qd8b701e1nr7rhdsc40mmbfafcbclct40j@4ax.com:
On 8 Apr 2004 11:54:40 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
spammaps <none@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2q4970526ch4k1vv1j0grriklcnvlr49nr@4ax.com:
snip
I'm afraid you will have to give me some evidence that Jesus is real
before I can accept that statement.
As far as I can see there is more evidence for the existence of
Tommy than for Jesus.
For instance, I see Tommy interacting with his environment and
people interacting with Tommy every day. If Tommy shoots someone
they die. I have never seen Jesus and never met anyone who has.
The existence of Jesus is just here say and does not stand up to any
scrutiny, certainly not up to the standards of any modern court.
So you're saying that eyewitness testimony won't stand up in a modern
court?
There is no eyewitness testimony.
You are a liar.
Not about that.
The four gospels are eyewitness testimony.
The four gospels are stories, and they were written long after the
claimed facts.
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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| Title: Re: Serious debate.... Is Tommy greater than Jesus ? |
10 Apr 2004 11:03:54 AM |
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Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in
news:rref7054oefel5jcai3dc7667mrtcuokis@4ax.com:
On 9 Apr 2004 20:46:16 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:e32e705jd3kf0ct5n4bo0p9euku6vgmo3t@4ax.com:
On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 15:16:41 +0000 (UTC), Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> in
alt.abortion with message-id <Xns94C672BF5AC95xomicron@0.0.0.3> wrote:
Thomas P. <tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> wrote in
news:qd8b701e1nr7rhdsc40mmbfafcbclct40j@4ax.com:
On 8 Apr 2004 11:54:40 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
spammaps <none@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:2q4970526ch4k1vv1j0grriklcnvlr49nr@4ax.com:
I'm afraid you will have to give me some evidence that Jesus is
real before I can accept that statement.
As far as I can see there is more evidence for the existence of
Tommy than for Jesus.
For instance, I see Tommy interacting with his environment and
people interacting with Tommy every day. If Tommy shoots someone
they die. I have never seen Jesus and never met anyone who has.
The existence of Jesus is just here say and does not stand up to
any scrutiny, certainly not up to the standards of any modern
court.
So you're saying that eyewitness testimony won't stand up in a
modern court?
There is no eyewitness testimony.
You are a liar.
Not about that.
The four gospels are eyewitness testimony.
The four gospels are stories, and they were written long after the
claimed facts.
Testimony is always written after the fact, idiot.
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