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"I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" |
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26 Jan 2004 02:20:02 AM |
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Re: Should creation be taught in public school? |
Should Voodoo and witch doctor techniques be taught in medical schools?
After all, not every person who was treated using these methods died...so it
must be as legitimate as modern medicine! Lots of people die using modern
techniques which show that they aren't perfect and therefore dismissible as
just theories! There is even evidence that patients who had holes drilled
in their skulls with stone implements survived long enough for the wounds to
start to heal...therefore making holes in people's heads to let out the evil
spirits is exactly as legitimate a science as modern brain surgery...which
is as legitimate a science as Creationism!!
And what's this ***** I hear about one plus one equalling two....?
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| User: "BD Greene" |
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| Title: Re: Should creation be taught in public school? |
26 Jan 2004 09:41:35 AM |
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Should Voodoo and witch doctor techniques be taught in medical schools?
Probably not. However public school is not a school of pure science
and math. IMHO it is intended to prepare kids in the US to be
citizens of the world. We teach many subjects as mandatory but not
theology. This is ludicrous to me. If a child is never exposed to
any religious philosophy through their family how will they respect
ANY religious beliefs? They may come from a persective of "All
religious beliefs are a joke becuase everything I've ever been taught
in SCHOOL tells me everything is explainable by science"...BULL
Consider this post from http://www.imhobooks.com (more 'propaganda'
can be found there).
"Spanish is mandatory, theology is not..."
I have five kids from elementary through high school and have lived in
many states over the years due to my line of work. One thing I've
noticed is that in many districts a foreign language is mandatory in
junior high and again in high school (not all, some). Some even impose
Spanish as that language.
I agree that this is an important part of the curriculum. Kids should
absolutely have some knowledge of another language. But how much more
prepared for the real world would a child be if a course in theology
was also mandatory? I'm referring to a course that covers many of the
most prevalent religions from a non-biased perspective. IMHO if you
choose to be atheist fine but you should at least be educated about
other beliefs as part of preparation for adult life. To me this logic
is no different than the logic used to impose a specific (or not)
foreign language.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Should creation be taught in public school? |
26 Jan 2004 11:12:32 AM |
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"BD Greene" <bdgreene@imhobooks.com> wrote in message
news:67fd7cb6.0401260741.674ab867@posting.google.com...
Should Voodoo and witch doctor techniques be taught in medical schools?
Probably not. However public school is not a school of pure science
and math. IMHO it is intended to prepare kids in the US to be
citizens of the world. We teach many subjects as mandatory but not
theology. This is ludicrous to me. If a child is never exposed to
any religious philosophy through their family how will they respect
ANY religious beliefs? They may come from a persective of "All
religious beliefs are a joke becuase everything I've ever been taught
in SCHOOL tells me everything is explainable by science"...BULL
So you would rather have them think "Since all religions are mutually
contradictory and have the same lack of evidence in support of them, we can
conclude that they can't all be right, and what's more, that they may all be
wrong."
Actually, that's not a bad idea.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Should creation be taught in public school? |
27 Jan 2004 08:10:11 AM |
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And so upon Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:41:35 -0800 didst BD Greene speak thusly:
Probably not. However public school is not a school of pure science
and math. IMHO it is intended to prepare kids in the US to be
citizens of the world.
Well, so much for that. We're not even teaching them to *read lately...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "Charles & Mambo" |
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| Title: Re: Should creation be taught in public school? |
26 Jan 2004 03:27:35 PM |
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BD Greene wrote:
Should Voodoo and witch doctor techniques be taught in medical schools?
Probably not. However public school is not a school of pure science
and math. IMHO it is intended to prepare kids in the US to be
citizens of the world.
Teaching one selected creation myth does nothing for the cause you mention.
You are simply attempting to justify Christianity in schools at all cost.
We teach many subjects as mandatory but not
theology. This is ludicrous to me.
It's not to me. Whoever wants to study theology and other useless mythology
is free to do it on his own time and not at the tax-payers' expense.
If a child is never exposed to
any religious philosophy through their family how will they respect
ANY religious beliefs?
The same way he can respect other people's eating habits without having to
eat raw grasshoppers with his fingers, or other people's cultural habits
without having to pierce his lower lip or nose and wear a chicken bone in
there or wear a burqa, or refrain from eating pork or beef.
They may come from a persective of "All
religious beliefs are a joke becuase everything I've ever been taught
in SCHOOL tells me everything is explainable by science"...BULL
So what? Where is the problem here? Schools are not brainwashing facilities
and students are allowed to have an independent thoughts and opinions, just
like you are.
Consider this post from http://www.imhobooks.com (more 'propaganda'
can be found there).
"Spanish is mandatory, theology is not..."
I have five kids from elementary through high school and have lived in
many states over the years due to my line of work. One thing I've
noticed is that in many districts a foreign language is mandatory in
junior high and again in high school (not all, some). Some even impose
Spanish as that language.
I agree that this is an important part of the curriculum. Kids should
absolutely have some knowledge of another language. But how much more
prepared for the real world would a child be if a course in theology
was also mandatory? I'm referring to a course that covers many of the
most prevalent religions from a non-biased perspective. IMHO if you
choose to be atheist fine but you should at least be educated about
other beliefs as part of preparation for adult life. To me this logic
is no different than the logic used to impose a specific (or not)
foreign language.
What a load of crock. There is no person in the world who is not aware of
other people's religious and superstitious beliefs, so your pathetic excuses
for trying to push religion into schools through the back door are
pointless. Learning other languages is only considered unimportant by some
Americans - nowhere else on the face of this Earth have I seen this kind of
attitude, and most of the civilized world (sans USA) speaks a foreign
language nowadays. There is absolutely nothing that can possibly be gained
by studying theology in schools. There is a reason alchemy is not allowed in
the curriculum, and the same reason is used in the religion cases.
Why is this such a big issue? Whoever wants religious education is free to
have in his own time whenever and wherever (s)he wants. It is widely
available. Why force it into the public education, on the students who don't
want it and at the expense of the people who don't want to pay for it?
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Should creation be taught in public school? |
26 Jan 2004 03:26:09 PM |
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On 26 Jan 2004 07:41:35 -0800, (BD Greene)
wrote:
Probably not. However public school is not a school of pure science
and math.
No, but science and math classes certainly are. A religious opinion of
how life began has no place in a science class, because it simply
isn't science.
IMHO it is intended to prepare kids in the US to be
citizens of the world. We teach many subjects as mandatory but not
theology. This is ludicrous to me.
Which of the thousands of wildly different theologies in existence do
you expect them to teach, and where do you plan to fit in science,
maths, or any other subject with such a broad range of religious
instruction to cover?
If a child is never exposed to
any religious philosophy through their family
Now you've hit it on the head: educating children about religion is
the job of the family, not the public schools. I'm sure there are
plenty of devout believers out there who *don't* want their children
taught about religion (especially ones that aren't their own) in
school for that very reason.
how will they respect
ANY religious beliefs?
This begs the question of why irrational beliefs deserve respect.
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| User: "SMChristenson" |
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| Title: Re: Should creation be taught in public school? |
08 Feb 2004 12:00:02 PM |
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:41:35 -0800, BD Greene wrote:
Actually, It _should_ be taught in schools: as a specimen to dissect in
an informal logic class. Unfortunately, _very_ few school systems have
the GUTS to teach a little informal logic to kids before they graduate.
If they do so, it is a certainty parents will descend upon the school in
a rage because their favorite superstition has been ridiculed.
So much for the wonderfulness of "local control".
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