Religions > Atheism > Re: So-called theocratic states vs section 1 of 14th Amendment
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19 Aug 2005 09:02:24 AM |
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Re: So-called theocratic states vs section 1 of 14th Amendment |
"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
:|Again, the Court used Jefferson's writings to justify their doctrine
:|anyway. So what are you talking about?
What is being talked about is your lack of knowing the history. See below:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.constitution/msg/f4b3f011f74c138a?hl=en&
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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 06:09:31 -0500
Local: Sun, Nov 28 2004 7:09 am
Subject: Re: A bogus Madison quote used by separationists
wbarwell <wbarw...@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
:| wrote:
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:|> "The other Donald" <the_donald...@yeehaw2.com> wrote:
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:|>>:|<> wrote in message
:|>>:|news:360vo01f6sqs34voioo3d32t0bvbsa9kuu@4ax.com...
:|>>:|> THE BOGUS QUOTE that is found all over the internet being offered by
:|>>:|> separationists.
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:|>>:|Here is where the expression of "separation of church and state" comes
:|>>:|from. It was a letter exchange between Jefferson and the Danbury Baptist
:|>>:|Convention in 1802:
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:|>>:|".....that their legislature should make no law respecting an
:|>>:|establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,
:|>>:|thus building a wall of separation between church and state."
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:|>>:|http://www.usconstitution.net/ jeffwall.html
:|>>:|
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:|> However, Jefferson did not created church state separation. The principle
:|> of Church state separation was embodied in the unamended constitution long
:|> before Jefferson ever received and answered a letter from the Danbury
:|> Baptist association.
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:|The idea of church and state seperation is not new with Jefferson for sure.
:|The importnace of the Danbury letter is that Jefferson here in reference to
:|the 1st spells out explicitly that the 1st does indeed mean that seperation
:|is part and parcel of the 1st. As Jefferson was one of those who was
:|indeed responsible for us having a 1st amendment, that is important in
:|in light of today's legal doctrine of original intent.
:|
:|Cheerful Charlie
:|
I believe I have replied to you in the past only to be ignored.
Everson v Bd of Ed was the USSC case that defined the Establishment Clause.
Here are the sources cited in that case by both the majority and the
dissent since all nice justices agreed on the rule of law they had just
stated
Kindly explain to the readers that overall importance of Jefferson's letter
in reply to the Danbury Baptists Association in defining the Establishment
Clause in light of the following information:
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Subject: Re: (Mis)Interpretation of First Amendment
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:07:00 -0500
PART V
ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE:, EVERSON & FOOTNOTES TO EVERSON
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.education/msg/a554494414aff8a5?hl=en&lr=
You can toss these in the mix as well
Study Guide: Separation of Church and State - Indepth
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/studygd0.htm
The Establishment Clause
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/estclause.htm
* Fourteenth Amendment
http://candst.tripod.com/14thamend.htm
Some Thoughts on Religion and Law
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/bthot-lr.htm
A Simple Test
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/simptest.htm
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