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Ask her, (using the words 'theoretically speaking' or 'hypothetically
speaking') if there could be *anything* and you mean *anything* that
could
convince her that she *could* just be wrong. (Emphasize the word
'could'.). If she says 'No.' Point out that she's committed intellectual
suicide and has no place of standing in any discussion regarding' 'God'
or
the Bible. She has *none*. Why's that?, she might ask. Because she won't
even allow for the *possibility* that she's wrong. Stress that you said,
'anything'. That would include the truth.
Greywolf

You must be kidding. Is that what you ask of your political
representatives?

The question posed had nothing to do with politics.

It had to do with trying to get a religious zealot to listen to reason in
a reasonable way. Asking her to ask herself if there was even the
*possibility* that she could be wrong about her beliefs would help
demonstrate to her if she was brainwashed or not. 'Self-realization' was
what I was going for here.

Does Bush admit he "might" be wrong about his kick-*****

policies? Not on your life!!!!!

That has nothing to do with the guy's wife.

Religious values are "the rock", the basic principle by which we live.

And who could care *less* if they're based entirely on lies, right? 'I'm
going to believe no matter what *anyone* provides me in the way of
contrary evidence'! *That's* your approach to the truth, is it?

Few Christians live by the most important commandments of Christ. They
are
just too inconvenient. It's easier to live by the commandments of YHVH
who
doesn't mind having His Hebrews kill all that breatheth" in the entire
country, to "possess the land" and "reap where you have not sown". See
below
both

Pastor Frank

The most important, yet most ignored commandments of Christ, which
would
make war, if not ALL of man's inhumanity to man extinct, nay totally
unthinkable:
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST, or Ethic of Reciprosity
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that
men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."

The below atrocities were committed shortly after the God of the Jews,
YHVH, gave Moses the 10 commandments, forbidding Jews to covet their
neighbour's property and kill them to get a hold of it.
We know through Christ, that our glorious Father which is in heaven
never commands anyone to kill, but rather to love and convert the
unconverted.

'Go nowhere among the Gentiles ... I was sent *only* unto the lost sheep
of the house of Israel'. Are you a Gentile, perchance?

Yet Jews and some Christians want us to believe, that YHVH,

though "the same yesterday, today and tomorrow" gave dispensation to
Jews to commit the sins of both coveting and fratricide. Jews were to
kill
their Semitic brothers, sisters and their children and life-stock, in
fact
they were to "kill all that breatheth" in the entire country, in order
for
them to "occupy the land" and "reap where you have not sown". The
result was the horrific obscenity below, a genocidal holocaust of
gigantic
proportions.
--------
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and
the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the
Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains
with
your flowing blood..."
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye
shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men
and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country,
and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as YHVH, the
God of Israel, commanded."
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman,
infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be
dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Psalms 137:9 - Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little
ones against the stones.
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.

Come back when you can present photographs of the 'original' manuscripts
of the texts you've cited. Ooooooooh. Your 'God' didn't think to preserve
them. Ahhhhhhhhh. Now we will probably *never* know what they said,
because they all went bye-bye.

Greywolf

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Hello to all.

I've been a Christian most of my life, but to be honest with you I
have
quite a few problems with the practice of Christianity as it now
stands
and I worry about the destabilizing influence all of this
religious
fighting is having on the world today. My wife is a devout
Lutheran
and
she goes ballistic any time I question anything in the Bible or
the
New
Testament. I was wondering if any of you had any suggestions as to
how
to communicate with religious extremists about the harmful affects
of
religion in the world today. Thanks. Bill

What "harmful effects"? You sound like an atheist liar who never
supplest evidence for his perennially and invariably negative
judgments.

Atheist people live in a non-fictional, real world. Religion breeds
liars and fairy tales.

That's merely atheist dogma based on belief, or rather disbelief
and
faith. You have no facts to support your disbeliefs!!

And you have no evidence to support your belief.
If one has evidence, one believes.
If one has no evidence, one does not believe.
If one has no evidence, but believes anyway, he has faith.

We know that, because religion is about what is good and what is
evil,
both being merely opinion held in belief and faith. There is no objective
and verifiable evidence nor proof, that something is good or evil, except
by
opinion of authoritative people, like judges or Jesus Christ.
We both believe Jesus Christ, and believe and have faith IN Jesus
Christ.

Then, clearly, you belong to the third group above:
"If one has no evidence, but believes anyway, he has faith."