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Re: South unites even Moore |
In article <nk5bjvgkh7lo2qs2c4b6vho7l72d258f67@4ax.com>,
jday123@bellsouth.net says...
For Immediate Release - 2 July 2003
11TH U.S. CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS’ TEN COMMANDMENTS DECISION
The League of the South, the premier Southern nationalist
organization, calls upon the good Christian citizens
Is this supposed to be some kind of surprise? The south is chock full of
babble-bleating, theist idiots.
of the
sovereign State of Alabama
Alambama is not a sovereign state and they know it.
to stand fast behind Alabama Supreme
Court Chief Justice Roy Moore
They can stand behind him in jail if they like. The bottom line is that
they will comply with the order. I'm sure Bush will do what he can to
undermine it, and I'm sure they'll try to use this to mobilize voters.
But bible-beaters were gonna vote for Bush anyway.
and against the ruling by the 11th
U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals’
So court orders may be disobeyed whenever one doesn't like the
consequences. What do they think would happen if everyone disobeyed
court ruling they didn't like?
ruling that the Ten Commandments
monument must be removed from the Alabama Supreme Court building.
I don't know how the court building ever survived before more put the
monument there two or three years ago.
“The U.S. Supreme Court’s recent ruling striking down State
sodomy laws,
You will not that sodomy is not mentioned in the ten commandments.
when combined with the Ten Commandments ruling,
means that the ruling elite in America hate the law of God,”
It is the very definition of irony for these people to accuse others of
hate. They control the legislative and executive branches of government
and they are still railing about some fictional "ruling elite" that is
oppressing them. News flash. They have been the ruling elite for a long
time. That's why there have been laws against sodomy for all these years
and they have only recently struck down.
said
League President Dr. Michael Hill. “You can go with Baal
The ancient israelites did that rather frequently, according to the
bible. Baal was a pretty kewl guy.
or you
can go with God. There is no middle ground.
Their refusal to accept a middle ground does not make it so. The court
did not order that the commandments of baal be substituted for the so-
called ten commandments of yahweh.
The League of the
South stands firmly and unswervingly by the law of God.”
That's fine, so long as they do it in church only.
The League also believes that this is a States Rights issue.
Well they are completely wrong. The federal court has ruled that they
are in error and in any event, this is not a law. This is interpretation
of specific constitutional requirements. Both the federal and state
constitutions require that religious actions shall not be officially
endorsed.
The
citizens of Alabama have every right, the federal courts
notwithstanding, to decide this issue for themselves.
Just like they thought they had every right to maintain segregation.
Americans are citizens of the federal government as well as the state.
Therefore the federal government is unequivocally justified in deciding
whether this display violates the federal rights granted under the US
Constitution. Only abject ignorance of the law can be used to prop up
the ridiculous position of this so-called "League of the South".
Therefore,
the League urges Alabamians to come to the defense of their
God-given right to rule themselves as a Christian people and to
rally around a godly leader such as Judge Moore.
If that includes any encouragement to break the law then they have just
made an illegal request and become an outlaw organization.
Hill further noted: “If the federal circuit court’s decision to
remove the Ten Commandments monument stands, then we hope the
citizens of Alabama will come by the tens of thousands to
Montgomery and stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Judge Moore to
defend the primacy of God’s law against the God-haters.”
Knock yourself out, *****. But that monument is coming out
regardless of what pantomimes you want to play.
Hill
continued: “In the face of such immoral federal action, the
League believes that the independence of the Southern States will
best serve to protect our Christian civilization and our rights
as free men and women.”
That is treason, pure and simple. There's no reason to think that the
confederacy would fare any better today then they did in the last civil
war, either.
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: South unites even Moore (1/2) |
11 Aug 2003 02:40:34 PM |
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In article <tpgfjvkmn10f5ovvnjces3bfaq6mpgpul0@4ax.com>,
jday123@bellsouth.net says...
quibbler wrote:
In article <nk5bjvgkh7lo2qs2c4b6vho7l72d258f67@4ax.com>,
jday123@bellsouth.net says...
For Immediate Release - 2 July 2003
11TH U.S. CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS’ TEN COMMANDMENTS DECISION
The League of the South, the premier Southern nationalist
organization, calls upon the good Christian citizens
Is this supposed to be some kind of surprise? The south is chock full of
babble-bleating, theist idiots.
Yes. How do you feel now that you've been surprised?
Well, in case you couldn't tell, I was being sarcastic.
I'll bet
you've only been listening to the leftist whigger side of things.
If you're joking then it's customary to include a smiley or something.
What would "whiggers" care about a ten commandments monument, you racist
piece of *****? As far as race goes, probably there are a lot of black
southerners who would support the ***** de facto theocracy that reigns
in the south right now. This is not about leftism either. It's about
atheism. That's why it's posted to alt.atheism. If you don't like it
then get the ***** out.
of the
sovereign State of Alabama
Alambama is not a sovereign state and they know it.
Well, the site I lifted that from was a Georgia site.
Yeah, that's nice, but I don't really give a *****.
They are
on Alabama's side as are the guys over in Missisippi who recently
won the battle over their confederate flag. These issues are
gaining momentum down here in Dixie as echoed in the following...
"Thank God for Mississippi! Her citizens stood solidly behind the
1894 State flag, with its Confederate emblem,
Yeah, whatever, I don't give a *****.
<snip>
Imagine that! Southern states getting a chance to vote on
important issues!
Hopefully you haven't confused voting for a stupid flag with "important
issues".
And imagine 18 other states having the
capability to recall their governors! Suppose all 50 states had
the same privelages.
Yeah, that doesn't really have anything to do with anything, but hey...
Also in 'Bama, a monument battle is occuring over a recent
monument honoring perhaps the most feared General in all of US
history-- Lt. Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest. It is said he was the
most ruthless of men and yankees still tremble at the sound of
his name.
Yes, I must admit that I trembled having heard his name for the first
time :).
<snip>
So court orders may be disobeyed whenever one doesn't like the
consequences. What do they think would happen if everyone disobeyed
court ruling they didn't like?
Well, perhaps you could be the very one to start a fund for
"removing the 10 commandments monument" movement or something.
No, the feds will pay if necessary, despite the idiotic legal maneuver by
the US congress. That law itself is clearly unconstitutional and in any
event, the court will make the state pay.
How much do suppose a contractor will charge to remove it since
the Fed won't pay?
Depending upon how one does it, it could be done rather cheaply, despite
what the peckerwoods have been saying. Just chip it up a little at a
time. Then you won't need heavy equipment. If it's marble then muriatic
acid can aid the process. In any event, the large fines that the federal
appeals court will levee against the state for contempt will easily cover
the removal costs.
Fulton County Daily Report 07-29-2003 "The U.S. House of
Representatives has voted to withhold any funds that would be
used to enforce a recent federal appeals court decision declaring
the Ten Commandments in Alabama's judicial building
unconstitutional.
I'm well aware of the the idiotic and illegal maneuver by the House of
Representatives. Not only would this have no effect, but there is
absolutely no way that such a law could stand. The very federal judge to
whom the law was meant to apply can rule it to be unconstitutional.
In addition to its impact in the debate over church-state
separation, the vote last Wednesday expanded what was already a
heated argument over government authority -- specifically between
Alabama's chief justice and federal judges. But with its 260-161
decision, the House posed intriguing questions about Congress'
power to influence the executive branch's enforcement of judicial
rulings." Jonathan Ringel
Not intriguing to anyone with even a basic knowledge of the law. It was
a patently absurd attempt on the part of the legislature to negate the
system of checks and balances required under the constitution. I hope
that judge Myron Thompson fines every one of the legislators who voted to
undermine his lawful ruling.
http://www.spofga.org/ten_commandments/ten_commandments.phtml
Bet you don't like that ruling huh?
A vote in congress is not a ruling, fool.
That's a 100 Congressman
advantage over the purse there... pal.
Again, virtually everyone knows that such a law would have no force. You
seem to be one of the few exceptions.
It also points out that
at stake here is governmental authority itself.
Agreed. If the legislature to attempt to undermine any judicial ruling
they didn't like then the judicial branch would cease to exist.
Will your
goverment allow part of itself to remain under the authority of
God or not?
It was never under the imaginary god critter and it never will be. The
constitution guarantees it.
With a 100 or so advantage, looks as if the money men
might well stay on the side of God.
Are you still blabbering? Congress has no authority, short of amending
the constitution, to undermine the authority of the court.
But if not, the Constitution can be changed (and quite a few
folks are working on that already, which I'm sure the DC big dogs
are aware of and probably are highly interested in avoiding a
Constitutional crisis).
Go for it. It ain't gonna happen, but it will be funny to watch another
repug amendment go down the drain. Remember that congress is not the
only body involved in the constitutional amendment process.
Oh BTW, If you do come across some cash for the removal of the
monument, tell the contractors they may meet a large crowd of
religious folks...
Fine. I'm sure those folks will enjoy their stay in prison as well.
It'll warm my heart to see them being arrested.
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: South unites even Moore - Yo, quibbler! |
11 Aug 2003 02:36:28 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:40:34 -0500, quibbler wrote
(in message <MPG.19a19f0d605f4ebd989fe7@news.cis.dfn.de>):
nothing that could be read.
You are aware that a lot (most?) news services strip out attachments on
non-binary newsfroops?
Gray Shockley
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Everything is always the worst it's ever been.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: South unites even Moore - Yo, shockley |
11 Aug 2003 03:12:57 PM |
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In article <0001HW.BB5D5A6C002EF55710111260@news-south.giganews.com>,
gray-11@cybercoffee.org says...
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:40:34 -0500, quibbler wrote
(in message <MPG.19a19f0d605f4ebd989fe7@news.cis.dfn.de>):
nothing that could be read.
You are aware that a lot (most?) news services strip out attachments on
non-binary newsfroops?
Sorry man, but I can read what I just posted. I included no attachments,
nor did I post any binaries. If you really want I will repost the
balance of what I said. Presuming that you can read this text, you
should be able to read it too. I will check on google, but it sometimes
takes hours to index.
--
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: South unites even Moore (1/2) |
11 Aug 2003 05:26:53 PM |
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Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> thought hard and said:
Also in 'Bama, a monument battle is occuring over a recent
monument honoring perhaps the most feared General in all of US
history-- Lt. Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest. It is said he was the
most ruthless of men and yankees still tremble at the sound of
his name.
http://www.forrestmonument.org/
But remember, anything about the War Between the States that reminds
the blacks about slavery (which is about everything to them) is baaad.
Very bad.
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-Kolle; 15 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, and Gustav Mahler are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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11 Aug 2003 09:01:02 PM |
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Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Also in 'Bama, a monument battle is occuring over a recent
monument honoring perhaps the most feared General in all of US
history-- Lt. Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest. It is said he was the
most ruthless of men and yankees still tremble at the sound of
his name.
You mean the guy who was the first leader of the KKK, and probably the
only general in US history who by his open admission committed war
crimes of a sort that would make Hitler and Stalin proud?
http://www.brandonastorjones.com/pages/heritageicanrespect.htm
Eventually, that and other massacres made the headlines of northern
newspapers: "Three Hundred Black Soldiers Murdered After Surrender".
In response to the article, Major General Nathan Bedford Forrest, the
Confederate cavalry commander in the field at the time, stated
unrepentantly: "The river was dyed with the blood of the slaughtered
for 200 yards. It is hoped that these facts will demonstrate to the
northern people that [N]egro soldiers cannot cope with Southerners."
If I tremble, it is with rage that he wasn't executed for war crimes
along with the butcher who ran Andersonville prison camp.
lojbab
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lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
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| User: "Dana" |
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12 Aug 2003 07:21:21 PM |
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"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:l1igjvoojot7tl3r0arp22i48rpu48p9l7@4ax.com...
Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Also in 'Bama, a monument battle is occuring over a recent
monument honoring perhaps the most feared General in all of US
history-- Lt. Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest. It is said he was the
most ruthless of men and yankees still tremble at the sound of
his name.
You mean the guy who was the first leader of the KKK, and probably the
only general in US history who by his open admission committed war
crimes of a sort that would make Hitler and Stalin proud?
And he was a leftist democrat, who held the same views on rights as you do
bobbie.
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| User: "Jd" |
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13 Aug 2003 11:14:40 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
"Dana" <yourname@example.com> wrote:
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:l1igjvoojot7tl3r0arp22i48rpu48p9l7@4ax.com...
Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Also in 'Bama, a monument battle is occuring over a recent
monument honoring perhaps the most feared General in all of US
history-- Lt. Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest. It is said he was the
most ruthless of men and yankees still tremble at the sound of
his name.
You mean the guy who was the first leader of the KKK, and probably the
only general in US history who by his open admission committed war
crimes of a sort that would make Hitler and Stalin proud?
And he was a leftist democrat, who held the same views on rights as you do
bobbie.
Only to an idiot like you would Forrest be "leftist".
lojbab
I'm curious. Have you actually studied Forrest or was yesterday
the first time you ever heard about him? "Curious" because you
seem to have this ability to present yourself as an instant
expert on everything, which would naturally set off bells and
whistles to most anyone with any sense who followed your writings
for a while.
Jd
"Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a
shield: but I come to thee in the name of the Lord of hosts, the
God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied."
(1Samuel 17:45)
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| User: "Jd" |
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13 Aug 2003 11:14:39 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Also in 'Bama, a monument battle is occuring over a recent
monument honoring perhaps the most feared General in all of US
history-- Lt. Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest. It is said he was the
most ruthless of men and yankees still tremble at the sound of
his name.
You mean the guy who was the first leader of the KKK, and probably the
only general in US history who by his open admission committed war
crimes of a sort that would make Hitler and Stalin proud?
http://www.brandonastorjones.com/pages/heritageicanrespect.htm
Eventually, that and other massacres made the headlines of northern
newspapers: "Three Hundred Black Soldiers Murdered After Surrender".
In response to the article, Major General Nathan Bedford Forrest, the
Confederate cavalry commander in the field at the time, stated
unrepentantly: "The river was dyed with the blood of the slaughtered
for 200 yards. It is hoped that these facts will demonstrate to the
northern people that [N]egro soldiers cannot cope with Southerners."
If I tremble, it is with rage that he wasn't executed for war crimes
along with the butcher who ran Andersonville prison camp.
lojbab
What about the ruthless men God sent to trample hypocrites,
should they've been executed too?
"O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand
is mine indignation. I will send him against an hypocritical
nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a
charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread
them down like the mire of the streets." (Isaiah 10:5-6)
Or Elijah who butchered 450 or so of Jezebels prophets after the
fire fell on Mt. Carmel?
1Kings 18:39 And when all the people saw it, they fell on
their faces: and they said, The Lord, he is the God; the Lord, he
is the God.
1Kings 18:40 And Elijah said unto them, "Take the prophets of
Baal; let not one of them escape". And they took them: and Elijah
brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.
Threaded through the OT you see that when the jugement of God
falls, that:
1) it starts at the house of God.
and
2) that it can end up being a bloody mess.
#1 being verified in the NT and # 2 open to interpretation WRT
the NT:
1Peter 4:17 "For the time is come that judgment must begin at
the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end
be of them that obey not the gospel of God?"
Jd
"Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a
shield: but I come to thee in the name of the Lord of hosts, the
God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied."
(1Samuel 17:45)
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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14 Aug 2003 06:04:29 AM |
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Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
If I tremble, it is with rage that he wasn't executed for war crimes
along with the butcher who ran Andersonville prison camp.
What about the ruthless men God sent to trample hypocrites,
should they've been executed too?
Murder is murder and we generally don't let murderers off because they
think that God told them to do it.
Threaded through the OT you see that when the jugement of God
falls, that:
1) it starts at the house of God.
and
2) that it can end up being a bloody mess.
God can forgive Forrest for his sins if He wishes, but to human
society, he was a war criminal, and human society executes war
criminals who commit and who order mass murders, even if they are born
again.
lojbab
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lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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11 Aug 2003 12:34:53 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:30:18 -0500, Jd wrote
(in message <tpgfjvkmn10f5ovvnjces3bfaq6mpgpul0@4ax.com>):
Also in 'Bama, a monument battle is occuring over a recent
monument honoring perhaps the most feared General in all of US
history-- Lt. Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest. It is said he was the
most ruthless of men and yankees still tremble at the sound of
his name.
"yankees"?
Oh, you mean citizens of the United States of America.
Gray Shockley
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Tao Chemical Company
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gray-11@cybercoffee.org
http://www.cybercoffee.org/
Vicksburg, Mississippi US
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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11 Aug 2003 01:09:41 PM |
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In article <0001HW.BB5D3DED0028433412580320@news-south.giganews.com>, Gray
Shockley says...
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:30:18 -0500, Jd wrote
(in message <tpgfjvkmn10f5ovvnjces3bfaq6mpgpul0@4ax.com>):
Also in 'Bama, a monument battle is occuring over a recent
monument honoring perhaps the most feared General in all of US
history-- Lt. Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest. It is said he was the
most ruthless of men and yankees still tremble at the sound of
his name.
"yankees"?
Oh, you mean citizens of the United States of America.
Y'know, I may be a "yankee", but considering I've never heard of this guy, I'm
hardly trembling at the sound of his name.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "keith" |
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14 Aug 2003 11:45:40 PM |
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Gray Shockley <gray-11@cybercoffee.org> wrote in message news:<0001HW.BB5D4C36002B9E7A10111260@news-south.giganews.com>...
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:30:18 -0500, Jd wrote
(in message <tpgfjvkmn10f5ovvnjces3bfaq6mpgpul0@4ax.com>):
(snip)
Actually, the original post by "J 23-Hour Day"
was just more of his/her/its trolling.
Forrest was a brilliant general in the Confederate army but the majority of
the people who mention him know nothing whatsoever about his military tactics
but bring him up simply because he was the leader of the first Ku Klan Klan.
It's understandible that he'd be more well known for his Klan
leadership; I expect OJ Simpson is more well known for murdering his
ex than for his rushing record.
Keith
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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11 Aug 2003 01:49:32 PM |
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In article <3F37DE21.30805@earthling.com>, Fred Stone says...
Robibnikoff wrote:
In article <0001HW.BB5D3DED0028433412580320@news-south.giganews.com>, Gray
Shockley says...
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:30:18 -0500, Jd wrote
(in message <tpgfjvkmn10f5ovvnjces3bfaq6mpgpul0@4ax.com>):
Also in 'Bama, a monument battle is occuring over a recent
monument honoring perhaps the most feared General in all of US
history-- Lt. Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest. It is said he was the
most ruthless of men and yankees still tremble at the sound of
his name.
"yankees"?
Oh, you mean citizens of the United States of America.
Y'know, I may be a "yankee", but considering I've never heard of this guy, I'm
hardly trembling at the sound of his name.
Probably the best cavalry commander on either side of the Civil War.
Famous saying: "Get there firstest with the mostest."
Not much on grammar, I take it ;)
Founder of the KKK.
Oh dear ;P
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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