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This is what happens when judges legislate from the
bench,

No, this is legislation from the bench.

vice the legislation from the bench that the left likes.

That's the other stupid thing Republican ditto-heads keep saying.
It's like a magic mantra to them. They aren't sure what it means, but
they're opposed to it!

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In article <nk5bjvgkh7lo2qs2c4b6vho7l72d258f67@4ax.com>,
jday123@bellsouth.net says...

For Immediate Release - 2 July 2003

11TH U.S. CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS' TEN COMMANDMENTS DECISION

The League of the South, the premier Southern nationalist
organization, calls upon the good Christian citizens

Is this supposed to be some kind of surprise? The south is chock full of
babble-bleating, theist idiots.

The bigotry of the left.

It is bigotry displayed by a person who is suposedly on the left, but
there is nothing about left ideas that supports being bigoted.

of the
sovereign State of Alabama

Alambama is not a sovereign state and they know it.

But Alabama, like every other state is indeed sovereign. We have a system of
dual sovereignty here in America.

I'm not sure the idea of dual sovereignity is logically coherent.

to stand fast behind Alabama Supreme
Court Chief Justice Roy Moore

They can stand behind him in jail if they like. The bottom line is that
they will comply with the order.

Bottom line is, your intolrance will no longer be tolerated itself. The
people are basically telling the left to go pound sand.

Among the people are lettists, rightists and otherists. Ideally we'd
debate ideas and make decisions without telling each other to pound
anything.

I'm sure Bush will do what he can to
undermine it, and I'm sure they'll try to use this to mobilize voters.
But bible-beaters were gonna vote for Bush anyway.

Mindless rant above.

and against the ruling by the 11th
U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals'

So court orders may be disobeyed whenever one doesn't like the
consequences. What do they think would happen if everyone disobeyed
court ruling they didn't like?

Well since the court actually depends on the peoples voluntary adherence to
the decisions, when the court starts making up laws and legislating from the
bench, yes the people should refuse to follow the decisions of the court. It
is we the people who are the final arbitrators of what our laws and
Constitutions mean. This is what happens when judges legislate from the
bench, the people stop having any faith in the court system.

IT is correct that any political system depends on the cooperation of
the people, even dictatorships couldn't survive if the people refused
to obey the dictator's orders. But I think you exagerate the people's
interest in keeping the 10 Commandments in some court room; most
people wouldn't risk legal sanction to keep them in the room.

ruling that the Ten Commandments
monument must be removed from the Alabama Supreme Court building.

I don't know how the court building ever survived before more put the
monument there two or three years ago.

Irrelevant

"The U.S. Supreme Court's recent ruling striking down State
sodomy laws,

You will not that sodomy is not mentioned in the ten commandments.

It is still a state issue and not a federal issue.

Are you talking morally or legally? Legally so far the court has ruled
against the Alabama judge. Morally, why does the state have more right
to oppress gay folk tnan the feds have to protect them from
oppression?

when combined with the Ten Commandments ruling,
means that the ruling elite in America hate the law of God,"

They control the legislative and executive branches of government
and they are still railing about some fictional "ruling elite" that is
oppressing them. News flash.

Sorry pal, but you are wrong again. The religious do not control the power
in the state legislatures, or in the federal legislature.

You are correct. The conservative Republicans control both houses of
Congress and the White House and many of those Republicans support the
so-called Christian right, but it'd go too far to say that the
Christian Coalition controls anything.

said
League President Dr. Michael Hill. "You can go with Baal
or you
can go with God. There is no middle ground.

The League of the
South stands firmly and unswervingly by the law of God."

The League also believes that this is a States Rights issue.

Well they are completely wrong.

No, they are completely right. This concerns the state court house, not the
federal building.

So? The Court has ruled that the states can't violate the
Establishment Clause.

The federal court has ruled that they
are in error and in any event, this is not a law.

And the federal court is wrong, just like they were wrong in the Texas
sodomy case.

Again, do you mean legally or morally? Legally it's the court that is
authorized to interpret the Constitution, so legally they are right by
definition.

This is interpretation
of specific constitutional requirements.

No, this is legislation from the bench.

Not so. It;s the court determining that a given thing violates the
constitution.

Both the federal and state
constitutions require that religious actions shall not be officially
endorsed.

Having a monument to the 10 commandments is not an official endorsement of
religion from the government.

I think it is and apparently a federal court agrees.

The
citizens of Alabama have every right, the federal courts
notwithstanding, to decide this issue for themselves.

Just like they thought they had every right to maintain segregation.

Nope.

Legally or morally? I'd say they don't have the right to foist
religion on unwilling participants.

Americans are citizens of the federal government as well as the state.
Therefore the federal government is unequivocally justified in deciding
whether this display violates the federal rights granted under the US
Constitution.

But it is not a federal issue. It is a state issue. It falls under the 9th
and the 10th Amendments to the federal Constitution.

So says you, but I wouldn't agree and neither does the federal court.

Therefore,
the League urges Alabamians to come to the defense of their
God-given right to rule themselves as a Christian people and to
rally around a godly leader such as Judge Moore.

If that includes any encouragement to break the law then they have just
made an illegal request and become an outlaw organization.

Nope, they have done no such thing. This is no different than the peace
protestors.

I think it is against the law to encourange others to violate the law.

Hill further noted: "If the federal circuit court's decision to
remove the Ten Commandments monument stands, then we hope the
citizens of Alabama will come by the tens of thousands to
Montgomery and stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Judge Moore to
defend the primacy of God's law against the God-haters."

Knock yourself out, *****. But that monument is coming out
regardless of what pantomimes you want to play.

I do not think so. But it is funny how this issue displays the bigotry and
intolerance of the left.

It only displays the bigotry of some people *on* the left. The left in
general is not any more bigoted than you are.

Hill
continued: "In the face of such immoral federal action, the
League believes that the independence of the Southern States will
best serve to protect our Christian civilization and our rights
as free men and women."

That is treason, pure and simple. There's no reason to think that the
confederacy would fare any better today then they did in the last civil
war, either.

Who says it would just be the south this time. There are more people opposed
to the left in America than the right, as it is the left is losing positions
in every election, so a fight may not be necessary as the left is losing at
the polls. And Bush and Other republican leaders will be able o appoint to
the courts people that hold the original view of Constitutional
interpretation, vice the legislation from the bench that the left likes.

More people are opposed to the agenda of the so-called Christian right
than support it, very few people are so committed to government
agencies displaying the symbols of a specific religion that they would
rebel against the government.


One thing I've always wondered *why* Christian conservatives *want*
things like school prayer or government displays of the 10
commandments?

Keith

Jd <jday123@bellsouth.net> wrote:

The Time/CNN Poll also showed that fifty-seven percent were in
favor of a constitutional amendment, which would limit marriage
to one man and one woman, essentially banning homosexual
"marriage."

A higher percentage was in favor of the Equal Rights Amendment, and it
failed to be ratified. It takes 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the states
to amend the Constitution.