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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Carol Lee Smith"
Date: 03 May 2004 09:31:38 AM
Object: Re: Tax the churches; was: Illegal parking for synagogue - settlement in Newton
On Sun, 2 May 2004, Le Mod Pol wrote:

Are you suggesting that there is a better place to get this
information than from the government? I know people who have
actually obtained the infomation from the GOVERNMENT tax roles--from

the tax assessor's office.

This information is available.

YOU did not get them there. If you did you would not know the basis
on which the assessments were made nor when. You make a lot of wild
claim based on very little knowledge (a dangerous thing)

I know folks who have gone directly to the tax office and via open records
have gotten reams of records listing individual each and every piece of
property which is exempt from taxation.

Perhap you think that the government's records are tainted in some

way?

Property assessments and valuations are probably the most contentious
statistics in government. You evidently know nothing about the
processes and usages.

I have never availed myself of "open records" in this regard. I have
accessed other federal government records.
But what I understand you to to be saying is that people are unable to or
are prevented from obtaining lists of tax exempt property.
That is what we are disagreeing.
I have intended to take no position on how much certain individual
properties are worth--i.e. their value.

The tax burden is shared by those who do pay the taxes, which,
of course, raises the tax burden upon those organization which
ethically take responsibility for their fair share.

Pious platitudes meaning nothing.

The tax burden is shared by those taxpayers who shoulder the burden
for not only their fair share but also pay the way for organizations
which are exempt.

Repetition of your "pious platitudes" does nothing to validate them

Such organizations are unethically freeloading on the general public.

Those organizations are public services

Sorry, the Catholic Church is not a public service.
They may provide services. It is debatable who foots the bill for it
because our govt. gives money to them for such purposes.
But churches are not public services.
They should pay taxes like other businesses.

So you say. But you know nothing about any aspect of municipal
finance and very little about anything else.

I defend your right to hold whatever opinions you would like.
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
-- Robert Anton Wilson

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User: "turk"

Title: Re: Tax the churches; was: Illegal parking for synagogue - settlement in Newton 03 May 2004 09:57:39 AM
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1040503093036.25099J-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...

On Sun, 2 May 2004, Le Mod Pol wrote:

Are you suggesting that there is a better place to get this
information than from the government? I know people who have
actually obtained the infomation from the GOVERNMENT tax roles--from

the tax assessor's office.

This information is available.


YOU did not get them there. If you did you would not know the basis
on which the assessments were made nor when. You make a lot of wild
claim based on very little knowledge (a dangerous thing)


I know folks who have gone directly to the tax office and via open records
have gotten reams of records listing individual each and every piece of
property which is exempt from taxation.


Perhap you think that the government's records are tainted in some

way?

Property assessments and valuations are probably the most contentious
statistics in government. You evidently know nothing about the
processes and usages.


I have never availed myself of "open records" in this regard. I have
accessed other federal government records.

But what I understand you to to be saying is that people are unable to or
are prevented from obtaining lists of tax exempt property.

That is what we are disagreeing.

I have intended to take no position on how much certain individual
properties are worth--i.e. their value.

The tax burden is shared by those who do pay the taxes, which,
of course, raises the tax burden upon those organization which
ethically take responsibility for their fair share.


Pious platitudes meaning nothing.


The tax burden is shared by those taxpayers who shoulder the burden
for not only their fair share but also pay the way for organizations
which are exempt.


Repetition of your "pious platitudes" does nothing to validate them


Such organizations are unethically freeloading on the general public.


Those organizations are public services


Sorry, the Catholic Church is not a public service.

Well, they do match make single young boys to horny older priests.
turk
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