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"Pastor Frank" |
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11 Jul 2007 01:10:11 PM |
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Re: The Absurdity of Atheism |
"wyzbang" <wyzbang@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The evidence for the existence of God is there for all to see, only we
refuse to see it. King David wrote: The fool says in his heart there is
no God. (Psalm 14:1) In other words, Atheism is irrational.
Atheism needs NOT to be "irrational" at all, for its rationality depends
on the definition one gives the word "god". Atheists define the word "god"
as ludicrously as possible, just to be quite sure it doesn't exist. I.e. ,
sky daddy, space pixy, pink unicorn, flying spaghetti monster etc. etc. To
that they should add: invisible old man in the sky. That such gods do not
exist is obvious and needs hardly reiterating to the extent atheists do.
For Christians there is only one valid definition of the word "God" and
that is the one Christ explained to a sceptical Philip. There can be no
doubt, that the God of Christ not only exists, but that Jesus Christ is the
glorious incarnation thereof. See below
Pastor Frank
"GOD" THE CHRISTIAN MEANING OF THE WORD ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: "GOD IS A SPIRIT, and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth."
Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth,
and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND
HAVE SEEN HIM."
Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us."
Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak
not of myself, but the FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE WORKS."
Jesus in Jn:10:30: I and my Father are one.
Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes
in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me sees
Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
believes in me should not abide in darkness."
Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom of
God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples,
if ye have love one to another.
Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one another,
as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down
his life for his friends.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Proverbs 10:22 God is nearer than our own soul, closer than our most
secret thoughts.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: The Absurdity of Atheism |
11 Jul 2007 05:19:48 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:10:11 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
Atheism<SHMACK>
Bad lunatic!
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: The Absurdity of Atheism |
11 Jul 2007 06:24:13 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:10:11 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
Atheism<SHMACK>
Bad lunatic!
Is there such a thing as a good one?!? ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: The Absurdity of Atheism |
11 Jul 2007 08:08:08 PM |
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In article <5fl76gF3dlk3rU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:10:11 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
Atheism<SHMACK>
Bad lunatic!
Is there such a thing as a good one?!? ;)
I've met some nice Unitarian wackos. Then there are many people with
monomania (and even bi and tri mania), who are fine otherwise.
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| User: "DuhIdiot" |
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| Title: Re: The Absurdity of Atheism |
11 Jul 2007 09:22:34 PM |
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On Jul 11, 7:24 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote in messagenews:saWdnU73FKEZygjbnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@giganews.com...
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:10:11 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
Atheism<SHMACK>
Bad lunatic!
Is there such a thing as a good one?!? ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Uh, *hello*, "Howling Mad" Murdock on a little show called the A-Team?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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12 Jul 2007 07:06:43 AM |
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:24:13 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:10:11 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
Atheism<SHMACK>
Bad lunatic!
Is there such a thing as a good one?!? ;)
One that doesn't post?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a
way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna
live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else
pours dirt in their holes.
"Climb out of your holes people!"
- Dr. House, on faith
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: The Absurdity of Atheism |
12 Jul 2007 09:13:27 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:24:13 -0400, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:saWdnU73FKEZygjbnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@giganews.com...
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:10:11 -0400, Pastor Frank wrote:
Atheism<SHMACK>
Bad lunatic!
Is there such a thing as a good one?!? ;)
One that doesn't post?
Well, there you go ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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| Title: Re: The Absurdity of Atheism |
12 Jul 2007 06:21:38 AM |
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Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Atheism needs NOT to be "irrational" at all, for its rationality depends
on the definition one gives the word "god".
Religionism needs NOT to be "rational" at all, for its irrationality
depends on the definition one gives the word "god".
Atheists define the word "god" as ludicrously as possible, just to be
quite sure it doesn't exist. I.e. , sky daddy, space pixy, pink unicorn,
flying spaghetti monster etc. etc.
Religionists define the word "god" as vaguely as possible, just to be
quite sure it can't be disproven. I.e. god is love, god is everywhere
etc. etc.
That such gods do not exist is obvious and needs hardly reiterating to the
extent atheists do.
That such gods do not exist is obvious and need hardly reiterating to
the extent religionists do.
For Christians there is only one valid definition of the word "God" and
that is the one Christ explained to a sceptical Philip.
For atheists there are no valid definitions of the word "God" because
they have all turned out to be nothing more than mythology and
superstition.
There can be no doubt, that the God of Christ not only exists, but that
Jesus Christ is the glorious incarnation thereof.
There can be no doubt, that the God of Christ is simply another in a
long line of mythical delusions that have no basis in reality.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: The Absurdity of Atheism |
12 Jul 2007 07:59:52 AM |
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"Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Atheism needs NOT to be "irrational" at all, for its rationality
depends
on the definition one gives the word "god".
Religionism needs NOT to be "rational" at all, for its irrationality
depends on the definition one gives the word "god".
Atheists define the word "god" as ludicrously as possible, just to be
quite sure it doesn't exist. I.e. , sky daddy, space pixy, pink unicorn,
flying spaghetti monster etc. etc.
Religionists define the word "god" as vaguely as possible, just to be
quite sure it can't be disproven. I.e. god is love, god is everywhere
etc. etc.
There is nothing "vague" about Christ defining His God. See below
Pastor Frank
"GOD" THE CHRISTIAN MEANING OF THE WORD ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: "GOD IS A SPIRIT, and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth."
Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth,
and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND
HAVE SEEN HIM."
Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us."
Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak
not of myself, but the FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE WORKS."
Jesus in Jn:10:30: I and my Father are one.
Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes
in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me sees
Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
believes in me should not abide in darkness."
Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom of
God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples,
if ye have love one to another.
Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one another,
as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down
his life for his friends.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Proverbs 10:22 God is nearer than our own soul, closer than our most
secret thoughts.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: The Absurdity of Atheism |
12 Jul 2007 06:36:06 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:59:52 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1i14cfv.1qreai64yz0pN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com...
Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Atheism needs NOT to be "irrational" at all, for its rationality
depends
on the definition one gives the word "god".
Religionism needs NOT to be "rational" at all, for its irrationality
depends on the definition one gives the word "god".
Atheists define the word "god" as ludicrously as possible, just to be
quite sure it doesn't exist. I.e. , sky daddy, space pixy, pink unicorn,
flying spaghetti monster etc. etc.
Religionists define the word "god" as vaguely as possible, just to be
quite sure it can't be disproven. I.e. god is love, god is everywhere
etc. etc.
There is nothing "vague" about Christ defining His God. See below
Pastor Frank
"GOD" THE CHRISTIAN MEANING OF THE WORD ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE:
What about:- Matthew 6:9 Our Father which art in heaven ?
Heaven, is translated from the Greek, "ouranus", meaning, the vaulted
expanse of the sky, or something above the sidereal heaven.
It is therefore reasonable to consider God, as a being, living above
that vaulted expanse.
--
The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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12 Jul 2007 09:13:03 PM |
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Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
Religionists define the word "god" as vaguely as possible, just to be
quite sure it can't be disproven. I.e. god is love, god is everywhere
etc. etc.
There is nothing "vague" about Christ defining His God. See below
A the famous "see below" nonsense. Let's take a peek, shall we?
Pastor Frank
"GOD" THE CHRISTIAN MEANING OF THE WORD ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: "GOD IS A SPIRIT
Okay... Hmmm...
Perhaps you can explain why a "SPIRIT" needs massive real estate
holdings, tax exemptions, buildings, clergy, schools, political action
committees, bank accounts, television stations, radio programs, crystal
meth, male hookers and all the other trappings of wealth, power and
control? Can you explain that?
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| User: "BuddyThunder" |
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12 Jul 2007 03:20:42 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
<sniperoo>
Atheists define the word "god" as ludicrously as possible
I don't. I simply lack belief in any supreme being, higher power,
personal deity, or whatever supernatural notion you'd care to mention.
Why would I believe? Simple, see?
I don't think many atheists have such a narrow view of [G|g]od(s), they
are simply expounding their equivocation with other fantasy beings like
Bilbo Baggins and the tooth fairy.
<snippage>
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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12 Jul 2007 07:54:57 AM |
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"BuddyThunder" <nospam@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:
Atheists define the word "god" as ludicrously as possible
I don't. I simply lack belief in any supreme being, higher power, personal
deity, or whatever supernatural notion you'd care to mention. Why would I
believe? Simple, see?
I don't think many atheists have such a narrow view of [G|g]od(s), they
are simply expounding their equivocation with other fantasy beings like
Bilbo Baggins and the tooth fairy.
We don't believe that either, for all your disbeliefs concern some
created entities and our God is uncreated and eternal, a spiritual ideal of
perfection. See below Jesus explaining the concept to a frankly sceptical
Philip.
Pastor Frank
"GOD" THE CHRISTIAN MEANING OF THE WORD ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE:
Jesus in Jn:4:24: "GOD IS A SPIRIT, and they that worship him must
worship him in spirit and in truth."
Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth,
and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me,
ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND
HAVE SEEN HIM."
Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us."
Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak
not of myself, but the FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE WORKS."
Jesus in Jn:10:30: I and my Father are one.
Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes
in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me sees
Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
believes in me should not abide in darkness."
Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom of
God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples,
if ye have love one to another.
Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one another,
as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down
his life for his friends.
Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Proverbs 10:22 God is nearer than our own soul, closer than our most
secret thoughts.
Pastor Frank
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| User: "BuddyThunder" |
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13 Jul 2007 06:26:57 PM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"BuddyThunder" <nospam@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:4695e45e$1@clear.net.nz...
Pastor Frank wrote:
Atheists define the word "god" as ludicrously as possible
I don't. I simply lack belief in any supreme being, higher power, personal
deity, or whatever supernatural notion you'd care to mention. Why would I
believe? Simple, see?
I don't think many atheists have such a narrow view of [G|g]od(s), they
are simply expounding their equivocation with other fantasy beings like
Bilbo Baggins and the tooth fairy.
We don't believe that either, for all your disbeliefs concern some
created entities and our God is uncreated and eternal, a spiritual ideal of
perfection. See below Jesus explaining the concept to a frankly sceptical
Philip.
Pastor Frank
I can tell you that my disbelief encompasses both notions; why would it
not? But believe what you like, I'm not bothered.
<snip yawny bible stuff>
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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14 Jul 2007 04:17:27 PM |
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"BuddyThunder" <nospam@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:46980a46$1@clear.net.nz...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"BuddyThunder" <nospam@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:4695e45e$1@clear.net.nz...
Pastor Frank wrote:
Atheists define the word "god" as ludicrously as possible
I don't. I simply lack belief in any supreme being, higher power,
personal deity, or whatever supernatural notion you'd care to mention.
Why would I believe? Simple, see?
I don't think many atheists have such a narrow view of [G|g]od(s), they
are simply expounding their equivocation with other fantasy beings like
Bilbo Baggins and the tooth fairy.
We don't believe that either, for all your disbeliefs concern some
created entities and our God is uncreated and eternal, a spiritual ideal
of perfection. See below Jesus explaining the concept to a frankly
sceptical Philip.
I can tell you that my disbelief encompasses both notions; why would it
not? But believe what you like, I'm not bothered.
<snip yawny bible stuff>
Probably true, for most atheists don't have absolute standards, but only
react to reality in whatever way they see their peers react. "not bothered"
naturally!!
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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15 Jul 2007 08:18:52 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:17:27 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
"BuddyThunder" <nospam@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:46980a46$1@clear.net.nz...
Pastor Frank wrote:
"BuddyThunder" <nospam@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:4695e45e$1@clear.net.nz...
Pastor Frank wrote:
Atheists define the word "god" as ludicrously as possible
I don't. I simply lack belief in any supreme being, higher power,
personal deity, or whatever supernatural notion you'd care to mention.
Why would I believe? Simple, see?
I don't think many atheists have such a narrow view of [G|g]od(s), they
are simply expounding their equivocation with other fantasy beings like
Bilbo Baggins and the tooth fairy.
We don't believe that either, for all your disbeliefs concern some
created entities and our God is uncreated and eternal, a spiritual ideal
of perfection. See below Jesus explaining the concept to a frankly
sceptical Philip.
I can tell you that my disbelief encompasses both notions; why would it
not? But believe what you like, I'm not bothered.
<snip yawny bible stuff>
Probably true, for most atheists don't have absolute standards, but only
react to reality in whatever way they see their peers react. "not bothered"
naturally!!
It must make life very easy, and remove all need for thought or
conscience, to see the world in the simple black and white, of an
absolute morality.
--
The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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| Title: Re: The Absurdity of Atheism |
15 Jul 2007 10:24:52 AM |
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Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
Probably true, for most atheists don't have absolute standards, but only
react to reality in whatever way they see their peers react. "not bothered"
naturally!!
It must make life very easy, and remove all need for thought or
conscience, to see the world in the simple black and white, of an
absolute morality.
Yup, little Frankie views the world in black and white, except for the
white part...
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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15 Jul 2007 10:36:07 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 08:24:52 -0700, (Scott
Richter) wrote:
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
Probably true, for most atheists don't have absolute standards, but only
react to reality in whatever way they see their peers react. "not bothered"
naturally!!
It must make life very easy, and remove all need for thought or
conscience, to see the world in the simple black and white, of an
absolute morality.
Yup, little Frankie views the world in black and white, except for the
white part...
I think that he imagines that Frank, is the white part.
--
The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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