Religions > Atheism > Re: The Book Of Genesis Is Unique Among World's Tales Of Creation
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"Cary Kittrell" |
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21 Sep 2006 12:35:23 PM |
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Re: The Book Of Genesis Is Unique Among World's Tales Of Creation |
References: <eemmco$2hm$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <nJ-dnVBmsLYkfJPYnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <450ee217$0$24188$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com> <I6WdnfJJVPoNppLYnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com> <ees0nc$nv4$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <BYadnRSxyYYpCIzYnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com> <ees71j$iv1$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <J_GdnccsptloP4zYnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@comcast.com> <eesaev$25i$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <YrydnVhh0MX_LIzYnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <eesc2n$6tg$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <hpGdnUCSScf6T4zYnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com> <eesk8v$e2v$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <5ZKdnTX3a5TimY_YnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com> <eeufr7$lgk$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <3dadnbyKxfpTWY_YnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Without God the only thing left to worship is self.
Or Plan B: don't worship at all.
Impossible.
For you perhaps. But then I expect you can't shower 11 balls
or hit the A three octaves above 440, either.
Until you can make the changes to 'Straight No Chaser', I'd
suggest you hang onto your day job.
Why? At its most straightforward, its just a twelve-bar
blues.
Yes, but what can you do with it?
Or are you claiming to be able to play it the way
Melodious Thunk did?
Have done, recorded live at the Five Spot and performed live
coast to coast, europe and the mid east, with the great and
the near great.
Cool! Got a discography?
Yes.
So let's hear it, dude! I'm not being at all snippy here: I've
been listening to jazz for half a century, and I would be
most interested in hearing who you've played with.
-- cary
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: The Book Of Genesis Is Unique Among World's Tales Of Creation |
21 Sep 2006 02:09:55 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
References: <eemmco$2hm$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <nJ-dnVBmsLYkfJPYnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <450ee217$0$24188$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com> <I6WdnfJJVPoNppLYnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com> <ees0nc$nv4$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <BYadnRSxyYYpCIzYnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com> <ees71j$iv1$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <J_GdnccsptloP4zYnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@comcast.com> <eesaev$25i$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <YrydnVhh0MX_LIzYnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <eesc2n$6tg$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <hpGdnUCSScf6T4zYnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com> <eesk8v$e2v$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <5ZKdnTX3a5TimY_YnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com> <eeufr7$lgk$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <3dadnbyKxfpTWY_YnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Without God the only thing left to worship is self.
Or Plan B: don't worship at all.
Impossible.
For you perhaps. But then I expect you can't shower 11 balls
or hit the A three octaves above 440, either.
Until you can make the changes to 'Straight No Chaser', I'd
suggest you hang onto your day job.
Why? At its most straightforward, its just a twelve-bar
blues.
Yes, but what can you do with it?
Or are you claiming to be able to play it the way
Melodious Thunk did?
Have done, recorded live at the Five Spot and performed live
coast to coast, europe and the mid east, with the great and
the near great.
Cool! Got a discography?
Yes.
So let's hear it, dude! I'm not being at all snippy here:
I've
been listening to jazz for half a century, and I would be
most interested in hearing who you've played with.
Sorry, chum, using "dude" is a dead giveaway. No one who
has been listening to Jazz for 50 years would be caught dead
using that word. Methinks what you know about jazz is what
you pick up in internet searches, when you've got a name or
a song title for keywords. Anyway, giving you access to my
identity, on usenet, is out of the question.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: The Book Of Genesis Is Unique Among World's Tales Of Creation |
21 Sep 2006 02:15:46 PM |
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In article <m4OdnbJVhbxjf4_YnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
References: <eemmco$2hm$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <nJ-dnVBmsLYkfJPYnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <450ee217$0$24188$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com> <I6WdnfJJVPoNppLYnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com> <ees0nc$nv4$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <BYadnRSxyYYpCIzYnZ2dn
UVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com> <ees71j$iv1$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <J_GdnccsptloP4zYnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@comcast.com> <eesaev$25i$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <YrydnVhh0MX_LIzYnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <eesc2n$6tg$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <hpGdnUCSScf6T4zYnZ2dn
UVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com> <eesk8v$e2v$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <5ZKdnTX3a5TimY_YnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com> <eeufr7$lgk$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <3dadnbyKxfpTWY_YnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Without God the only thing left to worship is self.
Or Plan B: don't worship at all.
Impossible.
For you perhaps. But then I expect you can't shower 11 balls
or hit the A three octaves above 440, either.
Until you can make the changes to 'Straight No Chaser', I'd
suggest you hang onto your day job.
Why? At its most straightforward, its just a twelve-bar
blues.
Yes, but what can you do with it?
Or are you claiming to be able to play it the way
Melodious Thunk did?
Have done, recorded live at the Five Spot and performed live
coast to coast, europe and the mid east, with the great and
the near great.
Cool! Got a discography?
Yes.
So let's hear it, dude! I'm not being at all snippy here:
I've
been listening to jazz for half a century, and I would be
most interested in hearing who you've played with.
Sorry, chum, using "dude" is a dead giveaway. No one who
has been listening to Jazz for 50 years would be caught dead
using that word. Methinks what you know about jazz is what
you pick up in internet searches, when you've got a name or
a song title for keywords.
Nope, entirely untrue. Dude. Some of us haven't
said "cat" in decades. Let alone "daddy-o".
Are you hip?
We listened entirely to classical when I was growing up
during the 50s -- and then someone gave me the LP
"The Golden Era of Dixieland Jazz" for Christmas,
and I never looked back. Though these days I'm
looking back again, in a sense: I'm going back
and discovering some things in West Coast Jazz
that I didn't pick up on during the day. Right
now I'm listening to Mulligan's first piano-less
group, the one with Chet Baker.
Anyway, giving you access to my identity, on usenet,
is out of the question.
Hmmmm? I assumed that "Roy Jose Lorr" WAS your identity.
And I was so incurious about that fact that I never
bothered trying to find out anything further about you.
Why should I care about that?
-- cary
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: The Book Of Genesis Is Unique Among World's Tales Of Creation |
21 Sep 2006 03:08:51 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <m4OdnbJVhbxjf4_YnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
References: <eemmco$2hm$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <nJ-dnVBmsLYkfJPYnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <450ee217$0$24188$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com> <I6WdnfJJVPoNppLYnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com> <ees0nc$nv4$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <BYadnRSxyYYpCIzYnZ2dn
UVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com> <ees71j$iv1$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <J_GdnccsptloP4zYnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@comcast.com> <eesaev$25i$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <YrydnVhh0MX_LIzYnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <eesc2n$6tg$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <hpGdnUCSScf6T4zYnZ2dn
UVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com> <eesk8v$e2v$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <5ZKdnTX3a5TimY_YnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com> <eeufr7$lgk$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <3dadnbyKxfpTWY_YnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Without God the only thing left to worship is self.
Or Plan B: don't worship at all.
Impossible.
For you perhaps. But then I expect you can't shower 11 balls
or hit the A three octaves above 440, either.
Until you can make the changes to 'Straight No Chaser', I'd
suggest you hang onto your day job.
Why? At its most straightforward, its just a twelve-bar
blues.
Yes, but what can you do with it?
Or are you claiming to be able to play it the way
Melodious Thunk did?
Have done, recorded live at the Five Spot and performed live
coast to coast, europe and the mid east, with the great and
the near great.
Cool! Got a discography?
Yes.
So let's hear it, dude! I'm not being at all snippy here:
I've
been listening to jazz for half a century, and I would be
most interested in hearing who you've played with.
Sorry, chum, using "dude" is a dead giveaway. No one who
has been listening to Jazz for 50 years would be caught dead
using that word. Methinks what you know about jazz is what
you pick up in internet searches, when you've got a name or
a song title for keywords.
Nope, entirely untrue. Dude. Some of us haven't
said "cat" in decades. Let alone "daddy-o".
Are you hip?
"Daddy-o" is unhip... but how would you know that?
We listened entirely to classical when I was growing up
during the 50s -- and then someone gave me the LP
"The Golden Era of Dixieland Jazz" for Christmas,
and I never looked back. Though these days I'm
looking back again, in a sense: I'm going back
and discovering some things in West Coast Jazz
that I didn't pick up on during the day. Right
now I'm listening to Mulligan's first piano-less
group, the one with Chet Baker.
If you like trumpet, listen to Clifford Brown, or better
yet, Bix Beiderbecke, then for an esoteric treat, Tony
Fruscella.
Anyway, giving you access to my identity, on usenet,
is out of the question.
Hmmmm? I assumed that "Roy Jose Lorr" WAS your identity.
And I was so incurious about that fact that I never
bothered trying to find out anything further about you.
Why should I care about that?
I care. The name I was given at birth is not the name that
shows at local 802, or on my old cabaret license, or on the
liner notes of recordings. That's how it is and I like to
keep it that way.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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21 Sep 2006 03:39:25 PM |
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In article <Fb6dnbaOGIVTbY_YnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <m4OdnbJVhbxjf4_YnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
References: <eemmco$2hm$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <nJ-dnVBmsLYkfJPYnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <450ee217$0$24188$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com> <I6WdnfJJVPoNppLYnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com> <ees0nc$nv4$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <BYadnRSxyYYpCIzYnZ2d
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UVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com> <eesk8v$e2v$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <5ZKdnTX3a5TimY_YnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com> <eeufr7$lgk$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <3dadnbyKxfpTWY_YnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Without God the only thing left to worship is self.
Or Plan B: don't worship at all.
Impossible.
For you perhaps. But then I expect you can't shower 11 balls
or hit the A three octaves above 440, either.
Until you can make the changes to 'Straight No Chaser', I'd
suggest you hang onto your day job.
Why? At its most straightforward, its just a twelve-bar
blues.
Yes, but what can you do with it?
Or are you claiming to be able to play it the way
Melodious Thunk did?
Have done, recorded live at the Five Spot and performed live
coast to coast, europe and the mid east, with the great and
the near great.
Cool! Got a discography?
Yes.
So let's hear it, dude! I'm not being at all snippy here:
I've
been listening to jazz for half a century, and I would be
most interested in hearing who you've played with.
Sorry, chum, using "dude" is a dead giveaway. No one who
has been listening to Jazz for 50 years would be caught dead
using that word. Methinks what you know about jazz is what
you pick up in internet searches, when you've got a name or
a song title for keywords.
Nope, entirely untrue. Dude. Some of us haven't
said "cat" in decades. Let alone "daddy-o".
Are you hip?
"Daddy-o" is unhip... but how would you know that?
Because I was around in the "beatnik" era -- when
"daddy-o" was commonly used and, yes, unhip. But then
most were more fascinated with Diz's goatee
and antics than his musical breakthroughs.
We listened entirely to classical when I was growing up
during the 50s -- and then someone gave me the LP
"The Golden Era of Dixieland Jazz" for Christmas,
and I never looked back. Though these days I'm
looking back again, in a sense: I'm going back
and discovering some things in West Coast Jazz
that I didn't pick up on during the day. Right
now I'm listening to Mulligan's first piano-less
group, the one with Chet Baker.
If you like trumpet, listen to Clifford Brown, or better
yet, Bix Beiderbecke, then for an esoteric treat, Tony
Fruscella.
Clifford I've tried, and not been overwhelmed with --
I know many disagree; perhaps I should try again. Bix
I've listened to, Fruscella I had not heard of.
I'm not a real trumpet afficianado, but I do like Art Farmer,
Rod McGaha, Diz, Arturo Sandoval, and some -- not all --
of Wynton. And it's been interesting watching, over
three decades or so, Lew Soloff turn from something
of a talented enthusiastic bumbling puppy to a very respectable
musician indeed.
On another topic: do you know Tucson's own Brian Bromberg?
-- cary
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: The Book Of Genesis Is Unique Among World's Tales Of Creation |
21 Sep 2006 04:30:49 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <Fb6dnbaOGIVTbY_YnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <m4OdnbJVhbxjf4_YnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
References: <eemmco$2hm$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <nJ-dnVBmsLYkfJPYnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com> <450ee217$0$24188$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com> <I6WdnfJJVPoNppLYnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com> <ees0nc$nv4$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <BYadnRSxyYYpCIzYnZ2d
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UVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com> <eesk8v$e2v$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <5ZKdnTX3a5TimY_YnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com> <eeufr7$lgk$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> <3dadnbyKxfpTWY_YnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com>
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
Cary Kittrell wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Without God the only thing left to worship is self.
Or Plan B: don't worship at all.
Impossible.
For you perhaps. But then I expect you can't shower 11 balls
or hit the A three octaves above 440, either.
Until you can make the changes to 'Straight No Chaser', I'd
suggest you hang onto your day job.
Why? At its most straightforward, its just a twelve-bar
blues.
Yes, but what can you do with it?
Or are you claiming to be able to play it the way
Melodious Thunk did?
Have done, recorded live at the Five Spot and performed live
coast to coast, europe and the mid east, with the great and
the near great.
Cool! Got a discography?
Yes.
So let's hear it, dude! I'm not being at all snippy here:
I've
been listening to jazz for half a century, and I would be
most interested in hearing who you've played with.
Sorry, chum, using "dude" is a dead giveaway. No one who
has been listening to Jazz for 50 years would be caught dead
using that word. Methinks what you know about jazz is what
you pick up in internet searches, when you've got a name or
a song title for keywords.
Nope, entirely untrue. Dude. Some of us haven't
said "cat" in decades. Let alone "daddy-o".
Are you hip?
"Daddy-o" is unhip... but how would you know that?
Because I was around in the "beatnik" era -- when
"daddy-o" was commonly used and, yes, unhip. But then
most were more fascinated with Diz's goatee
and antics than his musical breakthroughs.
We listened entirely to classical when I was growing up
during the 50s -- and then someone gave me the LP
"The Golden Era of Dixieland Jazz" for Christmas,
and I never looked back. Though these days I'm
looking back again, in a sense: I'm going back
and discovering some things in West Coast Jazz
that I didn't pick up on during the day. Right
now I'm listening to Mulligan's first piano-less
group, the one with Chet Baker.
If you like trumpet, listen to Clifford Brown, or better
yet, Bix Beiderbecke, then for an esoteric treat, Tony
Fruscella.
Clifford I've tried, and not been overwhelmed with --
I know many disagree; perhaps I should try again. Bix
I've listened to, Fruscella I had not heard of.
Fruscella did some work with Mulligan... and many others.
I'm not a real trumpet afficianado, but I do like Art Farmer,
Rod McGaha, Diz, Arturo Sandoval, and some -- not all --
of Wynton. And it's been interesting watching, over
three decades or so, Lew Soloff turn from something
of a talented enthusiastic bumbling puppy to a very respectable
musician indeed.
On another topic: do you know Tucson's own Brian Bromberg?
No. I've been away from the business for quite some time.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: The Book Of Genesis Is Unique Among World's Tales Of Creation |
21 Sep 2006 05:20:08 PM |
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In article <L8OdneFBg9CZmY7YnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <Fb6dnbaOGIVTbY_YnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
{...}
If you like trumpet, listen to Clifford Brown, or better
yet, Bix Beiderbecke, then for an esoteric treat, Tony
Fruscella.
Clifford I've tried, and not been overwhelmed with --
I know many disagree; perhaps I should try again. Bix
I've listened to, Fruscella I had not heard of.
Fruscella did some work with Mulligan... and many others.
OK.
I'm not a real trumpet afficianado, but I do like Art Farmer,
Rod McGaha, Diz, Arturo Sandoval, and some -- not all --
of Wynton. And it's been interesting watching, over
three decades or so, Lew Soloff turn from something
of a talented enthusiastic bumbling puppy to a very respectable
musician indeed.
On another topic: do you know Tucson's own Brian Bromberg?
No. I've been away from the business for quite some time.
When I started out, bass players, even the greats like Ray
Brown and Eddie Gomez went thump-thump-thump most of the time.
The current crop of bassists have an insane inhuman level of
technique, Bromberg and Christian MacBride being the first
two to come to mind.
-- cary
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: The Book Of Genesis Is Unique Among World's Tales Of Creation |
21 Sep 2006 08:20:44 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <L8OdneFBg9CZmY7YnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <Fb6dnbaOGIVTbY_YnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
{...}
If you like trumpet, listen to Clifford Brown, or better
yet, Bix Beiderbecke, then for an esoteric treat, Tony
Fruscella.
Clifford I've tried, and not been overwhelmed with --
I know many disagree; perhaps I should try again. Bix
I've listened to, Fruscella I had not heard of.
Fruscella did some work with Mulligan... and many others.
OK.
I'm not a real trumpet afficianado, but I do like Art Farmer,
Rod McGaha, Diz, Arturo Sandoval, and some -- not all --
of Wynton. And it's been interesting watching, over
three decades or so, Lew Soloff turn from something
of a talented enthusiastic bumbling puppy to a very respectable
musician indeed.
On another topic: do you know Tucson's own Brian Bromberg?
No. I've been away from the business for quite some time.
When I started out, bass players, even the greats like Ray
Brown and Eddie Gomez went thump-thump-thump most of the time.
The current crop of bassists have an insane inhuman level of
technique, Bromberg and Christian MacBride being the first
two to come to mind.
1. The instruments are different... night and day.
2. Your knowledge of the old time stand up bassists is
limited. The modern acoustic bassists can't dream of doing
with their instruments what the old timers did with theirs.
3. Technique is necessary but what you do with it is the
deal. Very few of the current crop, those I've heard, show
that they can play jazz, at least what I recognize as Jazz.
4. A jazz musician can play any kind of music, not so the
misnamed jazz musicians of today.
5. Acoustic instruments and recording tricks played a large
part in killing the work (in the shed) ethic, the
performance and jazz itself.
Not to worry, those of us older guys who are still here
bemoaning the decay of their craft will soon enough be gone.
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22 Sep 2006 04:14:54 PM |
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In article <cIydnSjyH6N7pI7YnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <L8OdneFBg9CZmY7YnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <Fb6dnbaOGIVTbY_YnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
{...}
If you like trumpet, listen to Clifford Brown, or better
yet, Bix Beiderbecke, then for an esoteric treat, Tony
Fruscella.
Clifford I've tried, and not been overwhelmed with --
I know many disagree; perhaps I should try again. Bix
I've listened to, Fruscella I had not heard of.
Fruscella did some work with Mulligan... and many others.
OK.
I'm not a real trumpet afficianado, but I do like Art Farmer,
Rod McGaha, Diz, Arturo Sandoval, and some -- not all --
of Wynton. And it's been interesting watching, over
three decades or so, Lew Soloff turn from something
of a talented enthusiastic bumbling puppy to a very respectable
musician indeed.
On another topic: do you know Tucson's own Brian Bromberg?
No. I've been away from the business for quite some time.
When I started out, bass players, even the greats like Ray
Brown and Eddie Gomez went thump-thump-thump most of the time.
The current crop of bassists have an insane inhuman level of
technique, Bromberg and Christian MacBride being the first
two to come to mind.
1. The instruments are different... night and day.
2. Your knowledge of the old time stand up bassists is
limited. The modern acoustic bassists can't dream of doing
with their instruments what the old timers did with theirs.
3. Technique is necessary but what you do with it is the
deal. Very few of the current crop, those I've heard, show
that they can play jazz, at least what I recognize as Jazz.
4. A jazz musician can play any kind of music, not so the
misnamed jazz musicians of today.
5. Acoustic instruments and recording tricks played a large
part in killing the work (in the shed) ethic, the
performance and jazz itself.
Not to worry, those of us older guys who are still here
bemoaning the decay of their craft will soon enough be gone.
Thanks for your thoughts on this.
Although I would suggest that you give Brian Bromberg's "Wood"
a listen. It's not performed on today's instruments; he's
playing a three-century old Italian bass. Musicality,
technique, and above all tone: all are amazing.
-- cary
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22 Sep 2006 05:57:51 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <cIydnSjyH6N7pI7YnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <L8OdneFBg9CZmY7YnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <Fb6dnbaOGIVTbY_YnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
{...}
If you like trumpet, listen to Clifford Brown, or better
yet, Bix Beiderbecke, then for an esoteric treat, Tony
Fruscella.
Clifford I've tried, and not been overwhelmed with --
I know many disagree; perhaps I should try again. Bix
I've listened to, Fruscella I had not heard of.
Fruscella did some work with Mulligan... and many others.
OK.
I'm not a real trumpet afficianado, but I do like Art Farmer,
Rod McGaha, Diz, Arturo Sandoval, and some -- not all --
of Wynton. And it's been interesting watching, over
three decades or so, Lew Soloff turn from something
of a talented enthusiastic bumbling puppy to a very respectable
musician indeed.
On another topic: do you know Tucson's own Brian Bromberg?
No. I've been away from the business for quite some time.
When I started out, bass players, even the greats like Ray
Brown and Eddie Gomez went thump-thump-thump most of the time.
The current crop of bassists have an insane inhuman level of
technique, Bromberg and Christian MacBride being the first
two to come to mind.
1. The instruments are different... night and day.
2. Your knowledge of the old time stand up bassists is
limited. The modern acoustic bassists can't dream of doing
with their instruments what the old timers did with theirs.
3. Technique is necessary but what you do with it is the
deal. Very few of the current crop, those I've heard, show
that they can play jazz, at least what I recognize as Jazz.
4. A jazz musician can play any kind of music, not so the
misnamed jazz musicians of today.
5. Acoustic instruments and recording tricks played a large
part in killing the work (in the shed) ethic, the
performance and jazz itself.
Not to worry, those of us older guys who are still here
bemoaning the decay of their craft will soon enough be gone.
Thanks for your thoughts on this.
Although I would suggest that you give Brian Bromberg's "Wood"
a listen. It's not performed on today's instruments; he's
playing a three-century old Italian bass. Musicality,
technique, and above all tone: all are amazing.
But can he play Jazz? If you want 'musicality, technique
and tone' you can get that anytime you have no comparisons
to make or you wish to hear something that isn't there.
Jimmy Hendrix for example was touted as a great guitarist.
Hell, he couldn't play worth a damn... that's why he busted
up his guitars, he knew it even if the raving fans didn't.
Tell me this Bromberg guy can play jazz (but how would you
know) and I may give him a listen.
If you like reeds, give Serge Chaloff a listen... he played
baritone sax. I recommend him because you say you're
getting back into Gerry Mulligan. Check out the difference.
If Chaloff had lived, there'd be no Mulligan.
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22 Sep 2006 06:24:20 PM |
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In article <G-GdnSg1XeN29InYnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <cIydnSjyH6N7pI7YnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <L8OdneFBg9CZmY7YnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <Fb6dnbaOGIVTbY_YnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
{...}
If you like trumpet, listen to Clifford Brown, or better
yet, Bix Beiderbecke, then for an esoteric treat, Tony
Fruscella.
Clifford I've tried, and not been overwhelmed with --
I know many disagree; perhaps I should try again. Bix
I've listened to, Fruscella I had not heard of.
Fruscella did some work with Mulligan... and many others.
OK.
I'm not a real trumpet afficianado, but I do like Art Farmer,
Rod McGaha, Diz, Arturo Sandoval, and some -- not all --
of Wynton. And it's been interesting watching, over
three decades or so, Lew Soloff turn from something
of a talented enthusiastic bumbling puppy to a very respectable
musician indeed.
On another topic: do you know Tucson's own Brian Bromberg?
No. I've been away from the business for quite some time.
When I started out, bass players, even the greats like Ray
Brown and Eddie Gomez went thump-thump-thump most of the time.
The current crop of bassists have an insane inhuman level of
technique, Bromberg and Christian MacBride being the first
two to come to mind.
1. The instruments are different... night and day.
2. Your knowledge of the old time stand up bassists is
limited. The modern acoustic bassists can't dream of doing
with their instruments what the old timers did with theirs.
3. Technique is necessary but what you do with it is the
deal. Very few of the current crop, those I've heard, show
that they can play jazz, at least what I recognize as Jazz.
4. A jazz musician can play any kind of music, not so the
misnamed jazz musicians of today.
5. Acoustic instruments and recording tricks played a large
part in killing the work (in the shed) ethic, the
performance and jazz itself.
Not to worry, those of us older guys who are still here
bemoaning the decay of their craft will soon enough be gone.
Thanks for your thoughts on this.
Although I would suggest that you give Brian Bromberg's "Wood"
a listen. It's not performed on today's instruments; he's
playing a three-century old Italian bass. Musicality,
technique, and above all tone: all are amazing.
But can he play Jazz? If you want 'musicality, technique
and tone' you can get that anytime you have no comparisons
to make or you wish to hear something that isn't there.
Jimmy Hendrix for example was touted as a great guitarist.
Hell, he couldn't play worth a damn... that's why he busted
up his guitars, he knew it even if the raving fans didn't.
Tell me this Bromberg guy can play jazz (but how would you
know) and I may give him a listen.
Well, Stan Getz snapped him up when Bromberg was 19 or
so. He's played with a zillion other folks since; off
the top of my head I can recall Diz, Bill Evans, Clark Terry,
Joe Farrell (I've been to a concert featuring him with Farrell)
....hmm memory fails me; let me go to the net... Sandoval,
Benny Golson, Eddie Harris, Elvin Jones, Mulligan, Hank
Jones, Horace Silver, Les McCann, Herb Ellis, Lovano,
Kenny Baron...I'd say he's got some chops.
If you like reeds, give Serge Chaloff a listen... he played
baritone sax. I recommend him because you say you're
getting back into Gerry Mulligan. Check out the difference.
If Chaloff had lived, there'd be no Mulligan.
I shall look into that.
-- cary
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22 Sep 2006 06:33:42 PM |
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In article <ef1rb4$oq0$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> (Cary Kittrell) writes:
In article <G-GdnSg1XeN29InYnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <cIydnSjyH6N7pI7YnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <L8OdneFBg9CZmY7YnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <Fb6dnbaOGIVTbY_YnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
{...}
If you like trumpet, listen to Clifford Brown, or better
yet, Bix Beiderbecke, then for an esoteric treat, Tony
Fruscella.
Clifford I've tried, and not been overwhelmed with --
I know many disagree; perhaps I should try again. Bix
I've listened to, Fruscella I had not heard of.
Fruscella did some work with Mulligan... and many others.
OK.
I'm not a real trumpet afficianado, but I do like Art Farmer,
Rod McGaha, Diz, Arturo Sandoval, and some -- not all --
of Wynton. And it's been interesting watching, over
three decades or so, Lew Soloff turn from something
of a talented enthusiastic bumbling puppy to a very respectable
musician indeed.
On another topic: do you know Tucson's own Brian Bromberg?
No. I've been away from the business for quite some time.
When I started out, bass players, even the greats like Ray
Brown and Eddie Gomez went thump-thump-thump most of the time.
The current crop of bassists have an insane inhuman level of
technique, Bromberg and Christian MacBride being the first
two to come to mind.
1. The instruments are different... night and day.
2. Your knowledge of the old time stand up bassists is
limited. The modern acoustic bassists can't dream of doing
with their instruments what the old timers did with theirs.
3. Technique is necessary but what you do with it is the
deal. Very few of the current crop, those I've heard, show
that they can play jazz, at least what I recognize as Jazz.
4. A jazz musician can play any kind of music, not so the
misnamed jazz musicians of today.
5. Acoustic instruments and recording tricks played a large
part in killing the work (in the shed) ethic, the
performance and jazz itself.
Not to worry, those of us older guys who are still here
bemoaning the decay of their craft will soon enough be gone.
Thanks for your thoughts on this.
Although I would suggest that you give Brian Bromberg's "Wood"
a listen. It's not performed on today's instruments; he's
playing a three-century old Italian bass. Musicality,
technique, and above all tone: all are amazing.
But can he play Jazz? If you want 'musicality, technique
and tone' you can get that anytime you have no comparisons
to make or you wish to hear something that isn't there.
Jimmy Hendrix for example was touted as a great guitarist.
Hell, he couldn't play worth a damn... that's why he busted
up his guitars, he knew it even if the raving fans didn't.
Tell me this Bromberg guy can play jazz (but how would you
know) and I may give him a listen.
Well, Stan Getz snapped him up when Bromberg was 19 or
so. He's played with a zillion other folks since; off
the top of my head I can recall Diz, Bill Evans, Clark Terry,
Joe Farrell (I've been to a concert featuring him with Farrell)
...hmm memory fails me; let me go to the net... Sandoval,
Benny Golson, Eddie Harris, Elvin Jones, Mulligan, Hank
Jones, Horace Silver, Les McCann, Herb Ellis, Lovano,
Kenny Baron...I'd say he's got some chops.
If you like reeds, give Serge Chaloff a listen... he played
baritone sax. I recommend him because you say you're
getting back into Gerry Mulligan. Check out the difference.
If Chaloff had lived, there'd be no Mulligan.
I shall look into that.
Heh: turns out I HAVE heard him after all: on the CD "The Brothers"
(Getz/Zoot/Cohn or Herbie Steward/Chaloff). In fact I put
one track from this CD on a Stan Getz compilation I made
for my girlfriend.
Couldn't really hear the baritone sax all that much on
this CD, though...
-- cary
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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23 Sep 2006 09:37:42 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <ef1rb4$oq0$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> (Cary Kittrell) writes:
In article <G-GdnSg1XeN29InYnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <cIydnSjyH6N7pI7YnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <L8OdneFBg9CZmY7YnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <Fb6dnbaOGIVTbY_YnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
{...}
If you like trumpet, listen to Clifford Brown, or better
yet, Bix Beiderbecke, then for an esoteric treat, Tony
Fruscella.
Clifford I've tried, and not been overwhelmed with --
I know many disagree; perhaps I should try again. Bix
I've listened to, Fruscella I had not heard of.
Fruscella did some work with Mulligan... and many others.
OK.
I'm not a real trumpet afficianado, but I do like Art Farmer,
Rod McGaha, Diz, Arturo Sandoval, and some -- not all --
of Wynton. And it's been interesting watching, over
three decades or so, Lew Soloff turn from something
of a talented enthusiastic bumbling puppy to a very respectable
musician indeed.
On another topic: do you know Tucson's own Brian Bromberg?
No. I've been away from the business for quite some time.
When I started out, bass players, even the greats like Ray
Brown and Eddie Gomez went thump-thump-thump most of the time.
The current crop of bassists have an insane inhuman level of
technique, Bromberg and Christian MacBride being the first
two to come to mind.
1. The instruments are different... night and day.
2. Your knowledge of the old time stand up bassists is
limited. The modern acoustic bassists can't dream of doing
with their instruments what the old timers did with theirs.
3. Technique is necessary but what you do with it is the
deal. Very few of the current crop, those I've heard, show
that they can play jazz, at least what I recognize as Jazz.
4. A jazz musician can play any kind of music, not so the
misnamed jazz musicians of today.
5. Acoustic instruments and recording tricks played a large
part in killing the work (in the shed) ethic, the
performance and jazz itself.
Not to worry, those of us older guys who are still here
bemoaning the decay of their craft will soon enough be gone.
Thanks for your thoughts on this.
Although I would suggest that you give Brian Bromberg's "Wood"
a listen. It's not performed on today's instruments; he's
playing a three-century old Italian bass. Musicality,
technique, and above all tone: all are amazing.
But can he play Jazz? If you want 'musicality, technique
and tone' you can get that anytime you have no comparisons
to make or you wish to hear something that isn't there.
Jimmy Hendrix for example was touted as a great guitarist.
Hell, he couldn't play worth a damn... that's why he busted
up his guitars, he knew it even if the raving fans didn't.
Tell me this Bromberg guy can play jazz (but how would you
know) and I may give him a listen.
Well, Stan Getz snapped him up when Bromberg was 19 or
so. He's played with a zillion other folks since; off
the top of my head I can recall Diz, Bill Evans, Clark Terry,
Joe Farrell (I've been to a concert featuring him with Farrell)
...hmm memory fails me; let me go to the net... Sandoval,
Benny Golson, Eddie Harris, Elvin Jones, Mulligan, Hank
Jones, Horace Silver, Les McCann, Herb Ellis, Lovano,
Kenny Baron...I'd say he's got some chops.
If you like reeds, give Serge Chaloff a listen... he played
baritone sax. I recommend him because you say you're
getting back into Gerry Mulligan. Check out the difference.
If Chaloff had lived, there'd be no Mulligan.
I shall look into that.
Heh: turns out I HAVE heard him after all: on the CD "The Brothers"
(Getz/Zoot/Cohn or Herbie Steward/Chaloff). In fact I put
one track from this CD on a Stan Getz compilation I made
for my girlfriend.
Couldn't really hear the baritone sax all that much on
this CD, though...
Knock yourself out:
http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Serge-Chaloff/dp/B000009OHC/sr=8-1/qid=1159065163/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-5681780-6093735?ie=UTF8&s=music
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25 Sep 2006 10:58:10 AM |
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In article <K7adnTUg8q1oc4jYnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <ef1rb4$oq0$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> (Cary Kittrell) writes:
In article <G-GdnSg1XeN29InYnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <cIydnSjyH6N7pI7YnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <L8OdneFBg9CZmY7YnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <Fb6dnbaOGIVTbY_YnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
{...}
If you like trumpet, listen to Clifford Brown, or better
yet, Bix Beiderbecke, then for an esoteric treat, Tony
Fruscella.
Clifford I've tried, and not been overwhelmed with --
I know many disagree; perhaps I should try again. Bix
I've listened to, Fruscella I had not heard of.
Fruscella did some work with Mulligan... and many others.
OK.
I'm not a real trumpet afficianado, but I do like Art Farmer,
Rod McGaha, Diz, Arturo Sandoval, and some -- not all --
of Wynton. And it's been interesting watching, over
three decades or so, Lew Soloff turn from something
of a talented enthusiastic bumbling puppy to a very respectable
musician indeed.
On another topic: do you know Tucson's own Brian Bromberg?
No. I've been away from the business for quite some time.
When I started out, bass players, even the greats like Ray
Brown and Eddie Gomez went thump-thump-thump most of the time.
The current crop of bassists have an insane inhuman level of
technique, Bromberg and Christian MacBride being the first
two to come to mind.
1. The instruments are different... night and day.
2. Your knowledge of the old time stand up bassists is
limited. The modern acoustic bassists can't dream of doing
with their instruments what the old timers did with theirs.
3. Technique is necessary but what you do with it is the
deal. Very few of the current crop, those I've heard, show
that they can play jazz, at least what I recognize as Jazz.
4. A jazz musician can play any kind of music, not so the
misnamed jazz musicians of today.
5. Acoustic instruments and recording tricks played a large
part in killing the work (in the shed) ethic, the
performance and jazz itself.
Not to worry, those of us older guys who are still here
bemoaning the decay of their craft will soon enough be gone.
Thanks for your thoughts on this.
Although I would suggest that you give Brian Bromberg's "Wood"
a listen. It's not performed on today's instruments; he's
playing a three-century old Italian bass. Musicality,
technique, and above all tone: all are amazing.
But can he play Jazz? If you want 'musicality, technique
and tone' you can get that anytime you have no comparisons
to make or you wish to hear something that isn't there.
Jimmy Hendrix for example was touted as a great guitarist.
Hell, he couldn't play worth a damn... that's why he busted
up his guitars, he knew it even if the raving fans didn't.
Tell me this Bromberg guy can play jazz (but how would you
know) and I may give him a listen.
Well, Stan Getz snapped him up when Bromberg was 19 or
so. He's played with a zillion other folks since; off
the top of my head I can recall Diz, Bill Evans, Clark Terry,
Joe Farrell (I've been to a concert featuring him with Farrell)
...hmm memory fails me; let me go to the net... Sandoval,
Benny Golson, Eddie Harris, Elvin Jones, Mulligan, Hank
Jones, Horace Silver, Les McCann, Herb Ellis, Lovano,
Kenny Baron...I'd say he's got some chops.
If you like reeds, give Serge Chaloff a listen... he played
baritone sax. I recommend him because you say you're
getting back into Gerry Mulligan. Check out the difference.
If Chaloff had lived, there'd be no Mulligan.
I shall look into that.
Heh: turns out I HAVE heard him after all: on the CD "The Brothers"
(Getz/Zoot/Cohn or Herbie Steward/Chaloff). In fact I put
one track from this CD on a Stan Getz compilation I made
for my girlfriend.
Couldn't really hear the baritone sax all that much on
this CD, though...
Knock yourself out:
http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Serge-Chaloff/dp/B000009OHC/sr=8-1/qid=1159065163/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-5681780-6093735?ie=UTF8&s=music
I shall. Thank you.
-- cary
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25 Sep 2006 02:04:18 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <K7adnTUg8q1oc4jYnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <ef1rb4$oq0$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> (Cary Kittrell) writes:
In article <G-GdnSg1XeN29InYnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <cIydnSjyH6N7pI7YnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <L8OdneFBg9CZmY7YnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <Fb6dnbaOGIVTbY_YnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@comcast.com> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> writes:
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If you like trumpet, listen to Clifford Brown, or better
yet, Bix Beiderbecke, then for an esoteric treat, Tony
Fruscella.
Clifford I've tried, and not been overwhelmed with --
I know many disagree; perhaps I should try again. Bix
I've listened to, Fruscella I had not heard of.
Fruscella did some work with Mulligan... and many others.
OK.
I'm not a real trumpet afficianado, but I do like Art Farmer,
Rod McGaha, Diz, Arturo Sandoval, and some -- not all --
of Wynton. And it's been interesting watching, over
three decades or so, Lew Soloff turn from something
of a talented enthusiastic bumbling puppy to a very respectable
musician indeed.
On another topic: do you know Tucson's own Brian Bromberg?
No. I've been away from the business for quite some time.
When I started out, bass players, even the greats like Ray
Brown and Eddie Gomez went thump-thump-thump most of the time.
The current crop of bassists have an insane inhuman level of
technique, Bromberg and Christian MacBride being the first
two to come to mind.
1. The instruments are different... night and day.
2. Your knowledge of the old time stand up bassists is
limited. The modern acoustic bassists can't dream of doing
with their instruments what the old timers did with theirs.
3. Technique is necessary but what you do with it is the
deal. Very few of the current crop, those I've heard, show
that they can play jazz, at least what I recognize as Jazz.
4. A jazz musician can play any kind of music, not so the
misnamed jazz musicians of today.
5. Acoustic instruments and recording tricks played a large
part in killing the work (in the shed) ethic, the
performance and jazz itself.
Not to worry, those of us older guys who are still here
bemoaning the decay of their craft will soon enough be gone.
Thanks for your thoughts on this.
Although I would suggest that you give Brian Bromberg's "Wood"
a listen. It's not performed on today's instruments; he's
playing a three-century old Italian bass. Musicality,
technique, and above all tone: all are amazing.
But can he play Jazz? If you want 'musicality, technique
and tone' you can get that anytime you have no comparisons
to make or you wish to hear something that isn't there.
Jimmy Hendrix for example was touted as a great guitarist.
Hell, he couldn't play worth a damn... that's why he busted
up his guitars, he knew it even if the raving fans didn't.
Tell me this Bromberg guy can play jazz (but how would you
know) and I may give him a listen.
Well, Stan Getz snapped him up when Bromberg was 19 or
so. He's played with a zillion other folks since; off
the top of my head I can recall Diz, Bill Evans, Clark Terry,
Joe Farrell (I've been to a concert featuring him with Farrell)
...hmm memory fails me; let me go to the net... Sandoval,
Benny Golson, Eddie Harris, Elvin Jones, Mulligan, Hank
Jones, Horace Silver, Les McCann, Herb Ellis, Lovano,
Kenny Baron...I'd say he's got some chops.
If you like reeds, give Serge Chaloff a listen... he played
baritone sax. I recommend him because you say you're
getting back into Gerry Mulligan. Check out the difference.
If Chaloff had lived, there'd be no Mulligan.
I shall look into that.
Heh: turns out I HAVE heard him after all: on the CD "The Brothers"
(Getz/Zoot/Cohn or Herbie Steward/Chaloff). In fact I put
one track from this CD on a Stan Getz compilation I made
for my girlfriend.
Couldn't really hear the baritone sax all that much on
this CD, though...
Knock yourself out:
http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Serge-Chaloff/dp/B000009OHC/sr=8-1/qid=1159065163/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-5681780-6093735?ie=UTF8&s=music
I shall. Thank you.
Swingin... let me know what you think.
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