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31 Oct 2007 07:26:59 AM |
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Re: The Core of the Pledge and Motto Lawsuits |
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
:|For example, I saw them protest the phrase "under God" in the pledge
:|and gravitated to the latter word (under GOD), when I should have been
:|noting the first word (UNDER God). I saw them protest our official
:|national motto (in God we trust) and try to take it off the coins, and
:|I gravitated to the religious aspect (in GOD we trust), when I should
:|have been noting the latter word (in god we TRUST).
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:50:28 -0700
From: "Mike Newdow" <first[delete]
To: me
Subject: Finally!
Hi, Jim.
It appears that the oral arguments in both the Pledge and the Motto cases
have been scheduled at last. Both will be heard on Dec 4 in SF.
Let's just hope we get two or three fair judges.
- Mike
--
Mike Newdow
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:|I saw them protest
:|the posting of the Ten Commandments. It seemed odd that they would
:|protest them, considering that Moses is in the very architecture of
:|the Supreme Court building. Well, I didn't understand it, because I
:|was thinking they were protesting religion, when, in fact, they were
:|protesting COMMANDMENTS.
:|
The USSC has nothiogn to do with the 10 Commandments. Moses and a lot of
other lawmakers are part of the architecture of the Supreme Court
building.
Nothign special in that. The overall theme is history of law and gives no
special emphasis to the 10 Commandments since there is none in the history
of our laws.
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Core of the Pledge and Motto Lawsuits |
31 Oct 2007 08:53:58 AM |
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wrote:
:|
:|I'd add a very important book to your list of recommendations:
:|American Fascists: The Christian Right And The War On America, by
:|Chris Hedges.
:|This is a truly frightening look at what the Religious Reich has
:|planned for America.
:|
:|CA
My list of recommendations?
What list are you referring to?
I don't recall making a list of recommendations here.
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Historical Reality SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
.
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| User: "Tokay Pino Gris" |
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| Title: Re: The Core of the Pledge and Motto Lawsuits |
01 Nov 2007 05:47:40 PM |
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wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
:|For example, I saw them protest the phrase "under God" in the pledge
:|and gravitated to the latter word (under GOD), when I should have been
:|noting the first word (UNDER God). I saw them protest our official
:|national motto (in God we trust) and try to take it off the coins, and
:|I gravitated to the religious aspect (in GOD we trust), when I should
:|have been noting the latter word (in god we TRUST).
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:50:28 -0700
From: "Mike Newdow" <first[delete]
To: me
Subject: Finally!
Hi, Jim.
It appears that the oral arguments in both the Pledge and the Motto cases
have been scheduled at last. Both will be heard on Dec 4 in SF.
Let's just hope we get two or three fair judges.
Far as I know the motto of the USA is "E pluribus unum"
This "God" stuff is from the 1950s, IIRC.
Well. Your country, not mine. Thankfully.
Tokay
--
Obstacles don't have to stop you.
If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to
climb it, go through it, or work around it.
Michael Jordan
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