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"Sharon" |
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12 Jan 2005 02:20:05 PM |
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Re: The Exorcist |
"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:11:48 -0500, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, "carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net>
pontificated:
My name is Becky. I am 14 years old. When I was 12, my abusive
stepfather raped me and I became pregnant. Not wanting to bear my
stepfather's baby, I took a bus to the clinic. But at the clinic there
were angry people milling around the door shouting about burning in
hell and waving awful signs that had pictures of babies in trash cans,
and they screamed at me that God loves me. I was afraid of them and
their God. They seemed so angry, like they wanted to hurt someone. So I
ran away.
Shortly afterward, I experienced severe pain in my lower abdomen. My
mother, who did not know I was pregnant (how could I tell her, she who
had always pretended not to know about my stepfather's abuse?) rushed
me to the emergency room. I still remember the flurry of doctors and
nurses, the machines and tubes, the blood, words I didn't
understand..."ectopic," "hemorrhage"...the look of denial on my
mother's face.
That's how I lost my baby without an abortion no thanks to the pro-life
fanatics.
You posted to pro-life fanatics Becky.
Those are the *wrong people* to talk to.
I feel safe to assume your step-father holds deeply ingrained religious
beliefs because, like the animal world with its alpha males --- males are
superior to females. (This attitude of divine superiority of males, endowed
by a male deity is conveyed all throughout scripture).
That comes across to me due to the fact he disregarded the law and common
sense, and crossed the line and put his hands on an underaged girl --
without regard of your mother's feelings or yours -- he cared only about
himself.
Love,
Becky
Morals to the story.
Here's the real morals Becky, coming from a woman who *was molested* at 14
years of age [and I am not ashamed to speak up.] (referring to that
Pastor-Poser Dave's comments) That's the first stage a woman goes through
after being molested by a predator. Shame and guilt and even self-hatred.
(Don't ask advice of religious people -- they'll shift the blame on you.)
It's people like this man Pastor-Poser Dave who will attempt to shift the
blame *off the man* and on to the young girl or woman. Please do not pay
people like that insensitive man any attention. When it was done to me, it
was so incomprehensible by family members that counseling was not sought for
me. The Church my family was involved with, discouraged psychiatric
counseling. You need, while you are young to seek counseling through a
therapist. From what you describe you've had far too much happen to you --
you've not much of a childhood. Please go to your School Counselor if you
must and confide in him or her if you need to, if you can't get your Mom to
take you to counseling. You may not even see the emotional wounds that have
been inflicted on you -- and you will sooner or later. Obviously, your
mother is not educated enough to understand what you've been through, and
what you will be going through. A lot of wrong has been done to you, and you
don't want to walk around for decades carrying the scars of confusion, guilt
(for a crime you did not commit). Your step father belonged/belongs in
prison.
1) Wait to get married to have sex.
The poor kid in this case was molested by her stepfather. She didn't have a
choice to "wait" physically or emotionally. She wasn't old enough to make a
decision. Parents are suppose to be there to guide their children at that
age, not take advantage of them. I notice you don't put any responsibility
on the step father (male of course). You are aware it's a crime for a man to
put his hands on an underaged girl? Those laws exist because Becky was not
old enough to "make decisions about having sex" and too young to even be
thinking about marriage. Don't project your ravenous sexual labido on a
little girl.
2) Be honest with your parents.
Obviously Becky was in a situation, where her mother was too intimidated by
the man herself to discuss the issue -- how much more little Becky? Why
should Becky feel safe enough to confide in her mother? Honesty and trust
between child and parents? The stepfather obviously destroyed that, and
Becky no longer trusts her parents. Why should she feel a need to be honest
with them? Note Becky's comment "look of denial on my mother's face". Becky
is pretty perceptive. Usually turns out "Blame the victim (female)." and
that's exactly what you're doing.
3) Don't try to punish the child for the acts of the
rapist.
Exactly Dave. (But of course, you're referring to the unborn child instead
of Becky. Becky is THE ONLY CHILD that matters.)
4) Don't expect free speech to be only that which you
agree with.
Just because there's such a thing as free speech doesn't mean everyone cares
to hear what you have to say.
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| User: "carl jones" |
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| Title: Re: The Exorcist |
13 Jan 2005 03:17:30 AM |
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1105540832.53f6935788e333838aae8e1ee6405c78@teranews...
"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:qk65u09lh78kc7ig4oucslfou2j239uqpi@4ax.com...
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:11:48 -0500, while scaling the
This is a copy of the message I never received from Pastor Dave. I don't
know why I didn't receive it but I will try to respond anyway.
1) Wait to get married to have sex.
That is idiotic advice. Sex is good, clean, and beautiful. I will have sex
with whomever I want -- when, where, and how. You must be very sick and tied
up in emotional knots to give this advice.
The poor kid in this case was molested by her stepfather. She didn't have
a
choice to "wait" physically or emotionally. She wasn't old enough to make
a
decision. Parents are suppose to be there to guide their children at that
age, not take advantage of them. I notice you don't put any responsibility
on the step father (male of course). You are aware it's a crime for a man
to
put his hands on an underaged girl? Those laws exist because Becky was not
old enough to "make decisions about having sex" and too young to even be
thinking about marriage. Don't project your ravenous sexual labido on a
little girl.
2) Be honest with your parents.
My mother was in denial. I could see the look of denial on her face when I
was hemorrhaging. I didn't want to upset her further by talking about my
stepfather's crime.
Obviously Becky was in a situation, where her mother was too intimidated
by
the man herself to discuss the issue -- how much more little Becky? Why
should Becky feel safe enough to confide in her mother? Honesty and trust
between child and parents? The stepfather obviously destroyed that, and
Becky no longer trusts her parents. Why should she feel a need to be
honest
with them? Note Becky's comment "look of denial on my mother's face".
Becky
is pretty perceptive. Usually turns out "Blame the victim (female)." and
that's exactly what you're doing.
3) Don't try to punish the child for the acts of the
rapist.
You are referring to the unborn child here. I suppose you would advise me to
keep my stepfather's child. Well I didn't want to be pregnant with a child
that was conceived by rape. What kind lof fanatic are you?
Exactly Dave. (But of course, you're referring to the unborn child instead
of Becky. Becky is THE ONLY CHILD that matters.)
Love,
Becky
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| User: "Sharon" |
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13 Jan 2005 04:21:05 AM |
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"carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net> wrote in message
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:qk65u09lh78kc7ig4oucslfou2j239uqpi@4ax.com...
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:11:48 -0500, while scaling the
This is a copy of the message I never received from Pastor Dave. I don't
know why I didn't receive it but I will try to respond anyway.
1) Wait to get married to have sex.
That is idiotic advice. Sex is good, clean, and beautiful. I will have sex
with whomever I want -- when, where, and how. You must be very sick and
tied
up in emotional knots to give this advice.
Becky, there's no need to repeat the law about statutory rape. I don't
approve of a 14 year old girl having sex. You will be saying the same thing
when you reach my age. Somebody exposed you to sex, way to young. You will
see that one day. I wholeheartedly advise you to at least talk to your
school guidance counselor. If you choose to continue having sex, I would
hope you are using birth control / condoms. There's too many STD's floating
around, and some have no cure... sex can also be deadly. You are correct
that if you *want* to do something, nobody can stop you, and you'll do it.
All I am saying, is that when you get older, a lot of things you *think* you
want to do now, at 14 -- you'll change your mind when you're older, and wish
you hadn't. That's why I've strongly suggested a counselor -- sometimes it
helps to have somebody to talk to and sorting your thoughts out. (even when
you can't see that you need somebody). It seems to me, you've had it forced
on you to grow up too fast. Everybody needs somebody they can confide in.
I wish you the very best of luck in life.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: The Exorcist |
13 Jan 2005 10:35:21 AM |
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
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"carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net> wrote in message
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:qk65u09lh78kc7ig4oucslfou2j239uqpi@4ax.com...
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:11:48 -0500, while scaling the
This is a copy of the message I never received from Pastor Dave. I don't
know why I didn't receive it but I will try to respond anyway.
1) Wait to get married to have sex.
That is idiotic advice. Sex is good, clean, and beautiful. I will have
sex
with whomever I want -- when, where, and how. You must be very sick and
tied
up in emotional knots to give this advice.
Becky,
Sharon, there is no "Becky". She's a made-up character by this Carl Jones
guy. He also likes to post as a teenager trolling for pen pals - And then
claims it was his son, even though all the posts are signed Carl. Don't
waste your time with this guy.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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13 Jan 2005 11:59:01 AM |
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"carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net> wrote in message
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:qk65u09lh78kc7ig4oucslfou2j239uqpi@4ax.com...
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:11:48 -0500, while scaling the
This is a copy of the message I never received from Pastor Dave. I don't
know why I didn't receive it but I will try to respond anyway.
1) Wait to get married to have sex.
That is idiotic advice. Sex is good, clean, and beautiful. I will have sex
with whomever I want -- when, where, and how. You must be very sick and
tied
up in emotional knots to give this advice.
Does your wife know this, Carl? How about your sons?
Why are you pretending to be this Becky person?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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13 Jan 2005 01:53:31 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 03:17:30 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, "carl jones"
<carljones@usadatanet.net> pontificated:
"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1105540832.53f6935788e333838aae8e1ee6405c78@teranews...
"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:qk65u09lh78kc7ig4oucslfou2j239uqpi@4ax.com...
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:11:48 -0500, while scaling the
This is a copy of the message I never received from Pastor Dave. I don't
know why I didn't receive it but I will try to respond anyway.
1) Wait to get married to have sex.
That is idiotic advice. Sex is good, clean, and beautiful. I will have sex
with whomever I want -- when, where, and how. You must be very sick and tied
up in emotional knots to give this advice.
I.e., you choose to be a *****.
2) Be honest with your parents.
My mother was in denial. I could see the look of denial on her face when I
was hemorrhaging. I didn't want to upset her further by talking about my
stepfather's crime.
Want isn't the issue. Your health is the issue.
3) Don't try to punish the child for the acts of the
rapist.
You are referring to the unborn child here. I suppose you would advise me to
keep my stepfather's child. Well I didn't want to be pregnant with a child
that was conceived by rape. What kind lof fanatic are you?
Want isn't the issue. The babies life is the issue.
You think it's okay to murder, because you don't
someone around.
Love,
Becky
Don't use the word "love" in your signature, when you
prefer murder.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Sharon" |
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13 Jan 2005 02:22:34 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
1) Wait to get married to have sex.
That is idiotic advice. Sex is good, clean, and beautiful. I will have sex
with whomever I want -- when, where, and how. You must be very sick and
tied
up in emotional knots to give this advice.
I.e., you choose to be a *****.
So, what does that make the boys/men who are fucking her Fake-Pastor Dave?
Oh I know. It makes them "a man".
One of the most hurtful things in this world for a female is to be the
victim of a rape, and alone, confused, -- statistically, girls at that point
often become sexually active and wandering aimlessly to "fill that void"
which a man drove into her heart, soul and mind (disposing her to further
sexual abuse) -- your bigoted hatred only reaffirms the self-hatred, guilt,
shame that sometimes leads to suicide or drug abuse. You really are an
ignorant person. Take that chauvenist book and stick it where the sun
doesn't shine. If her female peers so wish to call her a ***** -- that's
between the girls. You're hardly in a position to judge.
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| User: "Sharon" |
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13 Jan 2005 02:32:49 PM |
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1105627463.d6eb9d7bb29233e76b90961aa55e597f@teranews...
"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
1) Wait to get married to have sex.
That is idiotic advice. Sex is good, clean, and beautiful. I will have
sex
with whomever I want -- when, where, and how. You must be very sick and
tied
up in emotional knots to give this advice.
I.e., you choose to be a *****.
So, what does that make the boys/men who are fucking her Fake-Pastor Dave?
Oh I know. It makes them "a man".
You tell us the dirty words for a girl who's actively having sex and not
married -- I can if you can't.
*****, *****, *****, harlot....
What word exists to describe a man who's sexually promiscous?
stud
One of the most hurtful things in this world for a female is to be the
victim of a rape, and alone, confused, -- statistically, girls at that
point often become sexually active and wandering aimlessly to "fill that
void" which a man drove into her heart, soul and mind (disposing her to
further sexual abuse) -- your bigoted hatred only reaffirms the
self-hatred, guilt, shame that sometimes leads to suicide or drug abuse.
You really are an ignorant person. Take that chauvenist book and stick it
where the sun doesn't shine. If her female peers so wish to call her a
***** -- that's between the girls. You're hardly in a position to judge.
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| User: "carl jones" |
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13 Jan 2005 01:05:27 AM |
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
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That's how I lost my baby without an abortion no thanks to the pro-life
fanatics.
You posted to pro-life fanatics Becky.
Their so scary, those fanatics are. Aren't you afraid to be associated with
them?
They kept me from entering the clinic -- the only place where I could get
help.
Those are the *wrong people* to talk to.
I feel safe to assume your step-father holds deeply ingrained religious
beliefs because, like the animal world with its alpha males --- males are
superior to females. (This attitude of divine superiority of males,
endowed
by a male deity is conveyed all throughout scripture).
I> Here's the real morals Becky, coming from a woman who *was molested* at
14
years of age [and I am not ashamed to speak up.] (referring to that
Pastor-Poser Dave's comments) That's the first stage a woman goes through
after being molested by a predator. Shame and guilt and even self-hatred.
(Don't ask advice of religious people -- they'll shift the blame on you.)
It's people like this man Pastor-Poser Dave who will attempt to shift the
blame *off the man* and on to the young girl or woman. Please do not pay
people like that insensitive man any attention. When it was done to me, it
was so incomprehensible by family members that counseling was not sought
for
me. The Church my family was involved with, discouraged psychiatric
counseling. You need, while you are young to seek counseling through a
therapist. From what you describe you've had far too much happen to you --
you've not much of a childhood. Please go to your School Counselor if you
must and confide in him or her if you need to, if you can't get your Mom
to
take you to counseling. You may not even see the emotional wounds that
have
been inflicted on you -- and you will sooner or later. Obviously, your
mother is not educated enough to understand what you've been through, and
what you will be going through. A lot of wrong has been done to you, and
you
don't want to walk around for decades carrying the scars of confusion,
guilt
(for a crime you did not commit). Your step father belonged/belongs in
prison.
Thanks for your concern for me. I am sorry you were molested.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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13 Jan 2005 11:57:56 AM |
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"carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net> wrote in message
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1105540832.53f6935788e333838aae8e1ee6405c78@teranews...
That's how I lost my baby without an abortion no thanks to the pro-life
fanatics.
You posted to pro-life fanatics Becky.
Their so scary, those fanatics are. Aren't you afraid to be associated
with
them?
They kept me from entering the clinic -- the only place where I could get
help.
Carl, so now your name is Becky? Uh huh. Still trolling for teen pen pals?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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| User: "Sharon" |
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13 Jan 2005 03:07:23 AM |
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"carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net> wrote in message
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1105540832.53f6935788e333838aae8e1ee6405c78@teranews...
That's how I lost my baby without an abortion no thanks to the pro-life
fanatics.
You posted to pro-life fanatics Becky.
Their so scary, those fanatics are. Aren't you afraid to be associated
with
them?
They kept me from entering the clinic -- the only place where I could get
help.
Years ago, in the 80s or early 90s, I read in the newspaper (I can't find
the story online) about a "dead-beat dad" who was a head chairperson(?)
(some sort of big-wig) on a pro-life counsel, which picketed abortion
clinics. This man did not even want to pay support for his own kids and yet,
would protest abortions by strangers.
He was forced to step down after the discovery of his own "private failures
in the children department".
A screw is loose with the "radical pro lifers".
Those are the *wrong people* to talk to.
I feel safe to assume your step-father holds deeply ingrained religious
beliefs because, like the animal world with its alpha males --- males are
superior to females. (This attitude of divine superiority of males,
endowed
by a male deity is conveyed all throughout scripture).
I> Here's the real morals Becky, coming from a woman who *was molested* at
14
years of age [and I am not ashamed to speak up.] (referring to that
Pastor-Poser Dave's comments) That's the first stage a woman goes through
after being molested by a predator. Shame and guilt and even self-hatred.
(Don't ask advice of religious people -- they'll shift the blame on you.)
It's people like this man Pastor-Poser Dave who will attempt to shift the
blame *off the man* and on to the young girl or woman. Please do not pay
people like that insensitive man any attention. When it was done to me,
it
was so incomprehensible by family members that counseling was not sought
for
me. The Church my family was involved with, discouraged psychiatric
counseling. You need, while you are young to seek counseling through a
therapist. From what you describe you've had far too much happen to
you --
you've not much of a childhood. Please go to your School Counselor if you
must and confide in him or her if you need to, if you can't get your Mom
to
take you to counseling. You may not even see the emotional wounds that
have
been inflicted on you -- and you will sooner or later. Obviously, your
mother is not educated enough to understand what you've been through, and
what you will be going through. A lot of wrong has been done to you, and
you
don't want to walk around for decades carrying the scars of confusion,
guilt
(for a crime you did not commit). Your step father belonged/belongs in
prison.
Thanks for your concern for me. I am sorry you were molested.
You were too. Unfortunately you're too young right now, for the reality of
the *crime* that was committed against you. It will possibly take years for
it to fully sink in. You may be feeling what I did... confused, because
you're "alive and that's all that matters -- it isn't that bad"... and if
you're like a lot of young girls the damage will creep up on you slowly and
it's a downward spiral from there. I do suggest you seek a counselor. You're
too young to even realize what's been done to you. That is why the law
protects girls your age from *all* sexual contact with men. (The other way
around, the men are old enough to understand what statutory rape are, and
have the life experience to restrain themselves, if they choose to do so.)
You're free to disagree with me. *smile*. I was fourteen at one time too,
and felt I could make my own decisions, and I didn't like being told "you
can't do this or you can't do that." That's universal for all kids. All I
can tell you, is that the law is clear on sex with twelve and fourteen year
old girls. Girls that age are off-limit to men, and men need to know that.
When you turn 21, you'll remember what I said and you will think "She was
telling the truth, and I couldn't see it back then." You'll understand when
you're older, why the law is as it is. Your experience with an unwanted
pregnancy in itself should tell you something of *the misery* the law is
trying to protect you and other young girls from.
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| User: "Sharon" |
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12 Jan 2005 04:14:03 PM |
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Another thing Becky, you did not mention if your stepfather was put on trial
for his crime against you? Did you tell anyone it was your stepfather who
got you pregnant? The doctors and nurses, the police, your guidance
counselor? Tell your teachers. You need to pursue it if you did not. Call
your Sheriff Department and ask for the Child Protection Investigator or
call Department of Social Services Child Protection and report him. The man
*needs* to be registered as a child molestor in every state that has a child
molestor registry so he cannot do it to another child ever again. You
wouldn't want this happening to another little girl Becky. I hope he was
sent to prison. A young girl of 12 or 14 years old, does not have the life
experience, understanding, or realization yet to make a decision about
sex -- and even less, the importance of seeing him prosecuted to the maximum
extent of the law.
I EMPHASIZE: Along with not being in a position to make a decision to have
sex at age 12 or 14, a young girl would not understand how to go about
pressing charges -- or the importance of it. A *real crime* was committed
against you, and males like Pastor Poser Dave do not quite agree, because it
is beyond the scope of their understanding rights of females vs. what their
Bible says. He believes you "own" females like a car, boat or cattle. You
own your body Becky -- and nobody had a right to cross that line. The
evidence for my assertion is in the overwhelming statistics of Preachers and
Priests who sexually abuse the children and women in their followings, and
the victims do not comprehend they're being taken advantage of during the
act of molestation -- because the *trust* they feel toward that particular
authority figure like a father -- or a Priest. You trusted your stepfather
and felt obliged to obey (even when they asked you to do something deep down
you knew was making you feel very uncomfortable and confused). By age 18, a
young girl may have the emotional maturity to make a consenting decision
about sex. Whether or not she does, the law gives her a right to, as
eighteen years of age.
Tell whomever you must until this man is prosecuted and locked behind bars.
The attackers who molested me at age 14 were never brought to justice. There
was so much shame in what was done, that I was begged by my brother to "be
silent" about it and not tell my parents (my parents (unlike yours) might
would have pressed charges.) I was a little girl and too oblivious to
realize the full impact of what had been done to me. I was just a little
girl, not a woman, I see that now at age thirty six. I was afraid of making
family angry -- I wasn't quite sure what had happened. I was too young to
make a consenting decision about sex. When I finally did tell my parents
they felt it was too late to press charges, and they never sought counseling
for me, the church we were in discouraged psychotherapy.
Make certain you speak to whomever you must, to get charges pressed. The
police must take your confession seriously. Your stepfather is a child
predator.
I know you don't want to go through what I have -- twenty years *completely
alone*, knowing those predators are probably still walking free. You don't
want what happened to me, happening to you Becky, or anyone else.
I'm not a little girl anymore.
Right now, if I could only be in a room with D.A. Naylor, [was
approximately 35 years old, last known to me as living in Wilmington, NC
around 1984-1985] I would finally get the peace I need as I take my fist and
bludgeon his face in.
If I could only be in room, alone with Junior Naylor [was approximately 21
years old, last known to me as living in Wilmington, NC around 1984 or 1985]
and taking my fist, and smashing his balls into a pulp.
If I could only be in a room, alone with Ronald Britt, [was approximately 35
years old, last known living in Wilmington, NC around 1984 or 1985 and the
man who first tried fondling me in a park after he insisted to my brother he
wanted to "take me on a walk" and my brother was too intimidated to say no.
And I told him "NO". But that didn't stop him.] I told my brother, and he
was too afraid to say anything.
If I could only be in a room, alone with Tony M. (I do not remember his last
name) a name similar to Montgomery(?) -- I cannot remember his name -- I
would not want to accuse a man falsely. [was approximately 35 years old in
1984-1985 living in Wilmington, NC] -- and two or three men hold him down
while I kick his nuts clean off.
Do you want to have this kind of hostility, bitterness and resentment when
you reach age 36? -- knowing your stepfather is out there "somewhere" and
may be doing the same thing to another little girl (another little Becky).
Prosecute it to the maximum extent of the law. At least when you're my age,
you'll feel you had some amount of justice against your attacker(s). A CRIME
was committed. Prosecuted, you will have the closure you need to put the
crime behind you. Without justice for yourself, it's going to eat you alive.
-- Becky, I had a good friend I made years ago in College and she was
molested by her uncle around age 13. She told me, she went to her mother and
her mother turned the blame on her. (Her mother no doubtedly was reacting to
the attitudes of the men in the family). But my friend didn't stop there,
she continued to press on for justice -- it finally went to court. Instead
of the family directing blame toward the uncle -- it was aimed at my my
friend. Perhaps what it is, the other men in her family had child predator
tendencies and protecting their own.
My name is Becky. I am 14 years old. When I was 12, my abusive
stepfather raped me and I became pregnant. Not wanting to bear my
stepfather's baby, I took a bus to the clinic. But at the clinic there
were angry people milling around the door shouting about burning in
hell and waving awful signs that had pictures of babies in trash cans,
and they screamed at me that God loves me. I was afraid of them and
their God. They seemed so angry, like they wanted to hurt someone. So I
ran away.
Shortly afterward, I experienced severe pain in my lower abdomen. My
mother, who did not know I was pregnant (how could I tell her, she who
had always pretended not to know about my stepfather's abuse?) rushed
me to the emergency room. I still remember the flurry of doctors and
nurses, the machines and tubes, the blood, words I didn't
understand..."ectopic," "hemorrhage"...the look of denial on my
mother's face.
That's how I lost my baby without an abortion no thanks to the pro-life
fanatics.
You posted to pro-life fanatics Becky.
Those are the *wrong people* to talk to.
I feel safe to assume your step-father holds deeply ingrained religious
beliefs because, like the animal world with its alpha males --- males are
superior to females. (This attitude of divine superiority of males,
endowed by a male deity is conveyed all throughout scripture).
That comes across to me due to the fact he disregarded the law and common
sense, and crossed the line and put his hands on an underaged girl --
without regard of your mother's feelings or yours -- he cared only about
himself.
Love,
Becky
Morals to the story.
Here's the real morals Becky, coming from a woman who *was molested* at 14
years of age [and I am not ashamed to speak up.] (referring to that
Pastor-Poser Dave's comments) That's the first stage a woman goes through
after being molested by a predator. Shame and guilt and even self-hatred.
(Don't ask advice of religious people -- they'll shift the blame on you.)
It's people like this man Pastor-Poser Dave who will attempt to shift the
blame *off the man* and on to the young girl or woman. Please do not pay
people like that insensitive man any attention. When it was done to me, it
was so incomprehensible by family members that counseling was not sought
for me. The Church my family was involved with, discouraged psychiatric
counseling. You need, while you are young to seek counseling through a
therapist. From what you describe you've had far too much happen to you --
you've not much of a childhood. Please go to your School Counselor if you
must and confide in him or her if you need to, if you can't get your Mom
to take you to counseling. You may not even see the emotional wounds that
have been inflicted on you -- and you will sooner or later. Obviously,
your mother is not educated enough to understand what you've been through,
and what you will be going through. A lot of wrong has been done to you,
and you don't want to walk around for decades carrying the scars of
confusion, guilt (for a crime you did not commit). Your step father
belonged/belongs in prison.
1) Wait to get married to have sex.
The poor kid in this case was molested by her stepfather. She didn't have
a choice to "wait" physically or emotionally. She wasn't old enough to
make a decision. Parents are suppose to be there to guide their children
at that age, not take advantage of them. I notice you don't put any
responsibility on the step father (male of course). You are aware it's a
crime for a man to put his hands on an underaged girl? Those laws exist
because Becky was not old enough to "make decisions about having sex" and
too young to even be thinking about marriage. Don't project your ravenous
sexual labido on a little girl.
2) Be honest with your parents.
Obviously Becky was in a situation, where her mother was too intimidated
by the man herself to discuss the issue -- how much more little Becky? Why
should Becky feel safe enough to confide in her mother? Honesty and trust
between child and parents? The stepfather obviously destroyed that, and
Becky no longer trusts her parents. Why should she feel a need to be
honest with them? Note Becky's comment "look of denial on my mother's
face". Becky is pretty perceptive. Usually turns out "Blame the victim
(female)." and that's exactly what you're doing.
3) Don't try to punish the child for the acts of the
rapist.
Exactly Dave. (But of course, you're referring to the unborn child instead
of Becky. Becky is THE ONLY CHILD that matters.)
4) Don't expect free speech to be only that which you
agree with.
Just because there's such a thing as free speech doesn't mean everyone
cares to hear what you have to say.
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
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Another thing Becky, you did not mention if your stepfather was put on
trial
for his crime against you? Did you tell anyone it was your stepfather who
got you pregnant?
No. I was too afraid to do that. After being accosted by the pro-lifers, I
didn't want to seek counseling anywhere I just wanted to hide my head.
I EMPHASIZE: Along with not being in a position to make a decision to have
sex at age 12 or 14, a young girl would not understand how to go about
pressing charges -- or the importance of it.
I have nothing against having sex at any age. However, I think my
step-father was mean to molest me without my permission.
A *real crime* was committed
against you, and males like Pastor Poser Dave do not quite agree, because
it
is beyond the scope of their understanding rights of females vs. what
their
Bible says.
Is Pastor Dave another pro-lifer? I think they are real mean. They referred
to the clinic I was trying to visit as a "mill." It wasn't a mill; it was a
woman-centered clinic.
Love,
Becky
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13 Jan 2005 02:43:44 AM |
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"carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net> wrote in message
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1105547741.a525206c20d858b82c450b28e902b46d@teranews...
Another thing Becky, you did not mention if your stepfather was put on
trial
for his crime against you? Did you tell anyone it was your stepfather who
got you pregnant?
No. I was too afraid to do that. After being accosted by the pro-lifers, I
didn't want to seek counseling anywhere I just wanted to hide my head.
I EMPHASIZE: Along with not being in a position to make a decision to
have
sex at age 12 or 14, a young girl would not understand how to go about
pressing charges -- or the importance of it.
I have nothing against having sex at any age. However, I think my
step-father was mean to molest me without my permission.
You're 14 years old, and when you get 21, 25, 29, 35 -- 50 -- and looking
back over your life, it will all come back and haunt you. You're not of age
(by law) to make a decision, one way or the other on sex.
That's why laws are in place to protect you.
Whether or not you consent to a man at 12 or 14 years of age is indifferent
in the eyes of the law. If a man has sex with a child that age, he is
committing statutory rape.
4 entries found for statutory rape.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=statutory%20rape
statutory rape
n.
Sexual relations with a person who has not reached the statutory age of
consent.
Main Entry: statutory rape
Function: noun
: rape consisting of sexual intercourse with a person beneath an age (as 14
years) specified by statute
NOTE: Many state statutes also specify a minimum age of the perpetrator or
an age differential (as at least four years) between the perpetrator and the
victim. Consent of the victim and belief that the victim is of the age of
consent are usually considered immaterial. Statutory rape is now codified
under various names, such as rape in the second degree rape in the third
degree unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor, and criminal sexual conduct
in the second degree.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=statutory%20rape
A *real crime* was committed
against you, and males like Pastor Poser Dave do not quite agree, because
it
is beyond the scope of their understanding rights of females vs. what
their
Bible says.
Is Pastor Dave another pro-lifer? I think they are real mean. They
referred
to the clinic I was trying to visit as a "mill." It wasn't a mill; it was
a
woman-centered clinic.
Love,
Becky
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13 Jan 2005 12:00:17 PM |
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
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"carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net> wrote in message
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1105547741.a525206c20d858b82c450b28e902b46d@teranews...
Another thing Becky, you did not mention if your stepfather was put on
trial
for his crime against you? Did you tell anyone it was your stepfather
who
got you pregnant?
No. I was too afraid to do that. After being accosted by the pro-lifers,
I
didn't want to seek counseling anywhere I just wanted to hide my head.
I EMPHASIZE: Along with not being in a position to make a decision to
have
sex at age 12 or 14, a young girl would not understand how to go about
pressing charges -- or the importance of it.
I have nothing against having sex at any age. However, I think my
step-father was mean to molest me without my permission.
You're 14 years old, and when you get 21, 25, 29, 35 -- 50 -- and looking
back over your life, it will all come back and haunt you. You're not of
age (by law) to make a decision, one way or the other on sex.
Sharon, you're been led on. There is no Becky, only this Carl Jones
character who likes to troll for teen pen pals while pretending to be a
teenager. Don't waste your time with this freak.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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13 Jan 2005 01:54:44 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:10:48 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, "carl jones"
<carljones@usadatanet.net> pontificated:
"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1105547741.a525206c20d858b82c450b28e902b46d@teranews...
Another thing Becky, you did not mention if your stepfather was put on
trial
for his crime against you? Did you tell anyone it was your stepfather who
got you pregnant?
No. I was too afraid to do that. After being accosted by the pro-lifers, I
didn't want to seek counseling anywhere I just wanted to hide my head.
You were not, "accosted". Why do you lie?
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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13 Jan 2005 02:56:06 AM |
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1105547741.a525206c20d858b82c450b28e902b46d@teranews...
The attackers who molested me at age 14 were never brought to justice.
That's too bad. I feel for you, Sharon.
There
was so much shame in what was done, that I was begged by my brother to "be
silent" about it and not tell my parents (my parents (unlike yours) might
would have pressed charges.) I was a little girl and too oblivious to
realize the full impact of what had been done to me. I was just a little
girl, not a woman, I see that now at age thirty six. I was afraid of
making
family angry -- I wasn't quite sure what had happened. I was too young to
make a consenting decision about sex. When I finally did tell my parents
they felt it was too late to press charges, and they never sought
counseling
for me, the church we were in discouraged psychotherapy.
The church discouraged psychotherapy? That is like the pro-lifers
discouraging me from going to the clinic.
Make certain you speak to whomever you must, to get charges pressed. The
police must take your confession seriously. Your stepfather is a child
predator.
My family does not believe in pressing charges. We let sleeping dogs lie.
Right now, if I could only be in a room with D.A. Naylor, [was
approximately 35 years old, last known to me as living in Wilmington, NC
around 1984-1985] I would finally get the peace I need as I take my fist
and
bludgeon his face in.
If I could only be in room, alone with Junior Naylor [was approximately 21
years old, last known to me as living in Wilmington, NC around 1984 or
1985]
and taking my fist, and smashing his balls into a pulp.
If I could only be in a room, alone with Ronald Britt, [was approximately
35
years old, last known living in Wilmington, NC around 1984 or 1985 and
the
man who first tried fondling me in a park after he insisted to my brother
he
wanted to "take me on a walk" and my brother was too intimidated to say
no.
And I told him "NO". But that didn't stop him.] I told my brother, and he
was too afraid to say anything.
If I could only be in a room, alone with Tony M. (I do not remember his
last
name) a name similar to Montgomery(?) -- I cannot remember his name -- I
would not want to accuse a man falsely. [was approximately 35 years old in
1984-1985 living in Wilmington, NC] -- and two or three men hold him down
while I kick his nuts clean off.
Do you want to have this kind of hostility, bitterness and resentment when
you reach age 36? -- knowing your stepfather is out there "somewhere" and
may be doing the same thing to another little girl (another little Becky).
Prosecute it to the maximum extent of the law. At least when you're my
age,
you'll feel you had some amount of justice against your attacker(s). A
CRIME
was committed. Prosecuted, you will have the closure you need to put the
crime behind you. Without justice for yourself, it's going to eat you
alive.
-- Becky, I had a good friend I made years ago in College and she was
molested by her uncle around age 13. She told me, she went to her mother
and
her mother turned the blame on her. (Her mother no doubtedly was reacting
to
the attitudes of the men in the family). But my friend didn't stop there,
she continued to press on for justice -- it finally went to court. Instead
of the family directing blame toward the uncle -- it was aimed at my my
friend. Perhaps what it is, the other men in her family had child predator
tendencies and protecting their own.
Thank you for sharing your story. I am not nearly as upset at my stepfather
as you were about your attackers. I am more upset about the pro-lifers who
wouldn't let me into the clinic. You see, becausen of them, I hemorrhaged
and almost died. I would have died if I hadn't been near a hospital. Now I
am OK and I know I should forgive my stepfather but I can't forgive the
pro-life fanatics for interfering with a girl's body.
Thank you very much for your generous message.
Love,
Becky
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13 Jan 2005 03:38:13 AM |
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"carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net> wrote in message
Make certain you speak to whomever you must, to get charges pressed. The
police must take your confession seriously. Your stepfather is a child
predator.
My family does not believe in pressing charges. We let sleeping dogs lie.
That's how too many families feel. As a result, a child predator continues
to move on to another child and another and another.
Sadly, we sometimes hear in the news where one child molestor (for instance
a Priest) has molested numerous victims before anyone has the courage to
speak up. When one person exposes him, then others begin coming forward.
Usually the victims are too intimidated to press charges.
How many other little girls should be made to suffer what you've already
been through? You might can't undo what was done to you, but you can help
prevent it happening to somebody else by telling the police.
the attitudes of the men in the family). But my friend didn't stop there,
she continued to press on for justice -- it finally went to court.
Instead
of the family directing blame toward the uncle -- it was aimed at my my
friend. Perhaps what it is, the other men in her family had child
predator
tendencies and protecting their own.
Thank you for sharing your story. I am not nearly as upset at my
stepfather
as you were about your attackers. I am more upset about the pro-lifers who
wouldn't let me into the clinic. You see, becausen of them, I hemorrhaged
Perhaps there should be a law, where a young girl can seek counsel and if
the mental health system feels that it would do more good than harm to
abort, that child (yourself) be given the right to abort.
One of the saddest stories I ever saw in my life was about a white woman,
who was raped in the 1960s, late at night by a black man. She was married to
a white man. When she learned she was pregnant she did not want to abort the
baby, out of fear it might be her husband's. If however it turned out to be
the child of the rapist, she and her husband agreed together they would
adopt the child out. It turned out the child was of the black man. Years
later, the son tracked down his mother -- he wanted to know his biological
mother. As you can guess, he was not accepted by the family. Imagine being
in a position like that -- you find yourself here, without a single shoulder
to lean on. After he was rejected so brutally (the biological mother was
pouring tears -- everything was in a mess for everyone.), he went out and
raped a woman like his father had done. The man was on the television
documentary, and I know he's a rapist -- but I have never felt the depth of
sympathy as that evening I saw that poor man crying. He had nobody -- he was
condemned by his own mother who carried him 9 months -- it's simply
abominable.
I'm sure he asks often "Why was I even born?"
Abortion would have been better. I don't like to see human lives (no matter
what age they are casually used or thrown away), so abortion is a difficult
situation for everyone. But the Pro-Lifers are not the ones going to help
raise the child they so desperately claim they want to save.
I remember well, when I was being told by our church it was a sin to have an
abortion -- but it was equally a sin to carry an illegitimate child to full
term. I remember sitting out in the congregation of around 200 people, the
only pregnant woman in the entire room, listening to the windbag behind the
pulpit "unwed mothers will not receive a baby shower" (direct policy from
Pasadena Headquarters.) The shame and guilt I was made to feel that day, is
indescribable.
You can't win for losing.
and almost died. I would have died if I hadn't been near a hospital. Now I
am OK and I know I should forgive my stepfather but I can't forgive the
pro-life fanatics for interfering with a girl's body.
You will be upset in future years. I wasn't that "upset" per se when I was
molested. I was too oblivious to understand what had been done to me. It
never dawned on me "a crime had been committed". The damage just takes time
to surface, but it will sooner or later. If you've seen the movie "Forrest
Gump" with Tom Hanks, "Jenny" is molested by her father, and through the
movie Forrest continues to bump into Jenny, and she's never doing that well.
Anyone who has seen the movie understands she's a very troubled and confused
girl. Jenny doesn't even realize how confused and messed up she was. All
because one man (knowing the law) refused to exercise restraint.
Thank you very much for your generous message.
Love,
Becky
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13 Jan 2005 10:30:40 AM |
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
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"carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net> wrote in message
Make certain you speak to whomever you must, to get charges pressed. The
police must take your confession seriously. Your stepfather is a child
predator.
My family does not believe in pressing charges. We let sleeping dogs lie.
That's how too many families feel. As a result, a child predator continues
to move on to another child and another and another.
Sharon, stop wasting your time with this person. Becky is a made-up persona
of this Carl Jones guy. I've dealt with him on alt.adoption and he's a
fraud. He also posts messages posing as a teenager looking for pen pals -
And then claims it was his son (even though all the messages are signed
Carl). The guy's an ***** and has been stringing you along.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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13 Jan 2005 02:55:51 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1105588734.b7984e58f25197b0ee2c0b3fbd4e5d18@teranews...
"carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net> wrote in message
Make certain you speak to whomever you must, to get charges pressed.
The
police must take your confession seriously. Your stepfather is a child
predator.
My family does not believe in pressing charges. We let sleeping dogs
lie.
That's how too many families feel. As a result, a child predator
continues to move on to another child and another and another.
Sharon, stop wasting your time with this person. Becky is a made-up
persona of this Carl Jones guy. I've dealt with him on alt.adoption and
he's a fraud. He also posts messages posing as a teenager looking for pen
pals - And then claims it was his son (even though all the messages are
signed Carl). The guy's an ***** and has been stringing you along.
--
I had a suspicion it might not really be a child, but wasn't sure.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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13 Jan 2005 03:05:28 PM |
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1105629459.b02472a9072b686b88be3f3e545a5c25@teranews...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:34n271F4e6fqvU1@individual.net...
"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1105588734.b7984e58f25197b0ee2c0b3fbd4e5d18@teranews...
"carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net> wrote in message
Make certain you speak to whomever you must, to get charges pressed.
The
police must take your confession seriously. Your stepfather is a child
predator.
My family does not believe in pressing charges. We let sleeping dogs
lie.
That's how too many families feel. As a result, a child predator
continues to move on to another child and another and another.
Sharon, stop wasting your time with this person. Becky is a made-up
persona of this Carl Jones guy. I've dealt with him on alt.adoption and
he's a fraud. He also posts messages posing as a teenager looking for
pen pals - And then claims it was his son (even though all the messages
are signed Carl). The guy's an ***** and has been stringing you along.
--
I had a suspicion it might not really be a child, but wasn't sure.
Yeap, he's definitely not ;/
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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13 Jan 2005 04:44:21 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
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"carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net> wrote in message
Make certain you speak to whomever you must, to get charges pressed.
The
police must take your confession seriously. Your stepfather is a
child
predator.
My family does not believe in pressing charges. We let sleeping dogs
lie.
That's how too many families feel. As a result, a child predator
continues to move on to another child and another and another.
Sharon, stop wasting your time with this person. Becky is a made-up
persona of this Carl Jones guy. I've dealt with him on alt.adoption and
he's a fraud. He also posts messages posing as a teenager looking for
pen pals - And then claims it was his son (even though all the messages
are signed Carl). The guy's an ***** and has been stringing you
along.
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I had a suspicion it might not really be a child, but wasn't sure.
Yeap, he's definitely not ;/
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I had transferred some of the conversation to the web thinking it might help
a *real victim* in these screwed up situations. He is a clever fraud -- and
I noted what you said as a header on the page.
Statutory Rape, Abortion and Justice for Victims of Child Predators
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/child_molestation.html
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Robyn
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13 Jan 2005 04:54:22 AM |
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Thank you for sharing your story. I am not nearly as upset at my
stepfather
as you were about your attackers. I am more upset about the pro-lifers
who
wouldn't let me into the clinic. You see, becausen of them, I hemorrhaged
Perhaps there should be a law, where a young girl can seek counsel and if
the mental health system feels that it would do more good than harm to
abort, that child (yourself) be given the right to abort.
I wasn't clear enough. You (Becky) describe your mother as in a state of
denial and you could not turn to her when you needed her the most. You said
you took a bus to the abortion clinic and protestors frightened you away.
Even had they not been there, I'm not sure what the law is on "age of
consent to abort". You would probably still need a parent's signature to
approve this -- I could be wrong. They do have a certain amount of
legalities they go through before they will agree to do an abortion.
This is why I say -- your mother doesn't appear to have been somebody you
could turn to -- but if the law worked, that a young pregnant girl could
turn to the state mental health system in a time of crisis like this (school
counselor contacting mental health services and arranging private counseling
and verify by professional standards, if an abortion is in the child's best
interests that it can be done -- even without the consent of the parents.) I
agree that sometimes, parents are oblivious and not thinking in terms of
what is best for their children -- I think that's what got Becky in the mess
in the first place.
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13 Jan 2005 10:31:27 AM |
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
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Thank you for sharing your story. I am not nearly as upset at my
stepfather
as you were about your attackers. I am more upset about the pro-lifers
who
wouldn't let me into the clinic. You see, becausen of them, I
hemorrhaged
Perhaps there should be a law, where a young girl can seek counsel and if
the mental health system feels that it would do more good than harm to
abort, that child (yourself) be given the right to abort.
I wasn't clear enough. You (Becky)
Sharon, there is no "Becky". It's actually a man, Carl Jones, who is a
fraud.
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13 Jan 2005 03:52:13 AM |
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SHARON WROTE:
I remember well, when I was being told by our church it was a sin to have
an abortion -- but it was equally a sin to carry an illegitimate child to
full term. I remember sitting out in the congregation of around 200
people, the only pregnant woman in the entire room, listening to the
windbag behind the pulpit "unwed mothers will not receive a baby shower"
(direct policy from Pasadena Headquarters.) The shame and guilt I was made
to feel that day, is indescribable.
You can't win for losing.
It's surprising they do scream so loudly for pro-life, and have so little
concern for the ones they do have -- or as described above -- a subtle
hatred for the "bastards".
"For the inexperienced and decent girl who slips is inclined to leave her
baby on a dung-heap rather than face the fulminations of the Church."
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Among the 17,000 criminals examined by Dr. Wooton of Harvard, Irishmen
furnished 23 percent of those with alcoholic psychosis; Irish-Americans
furnished 13.2 per cent. There were probably more Catholics than atheists
among these mental derelicts. If Mr. Byrne is looking for anti-social
material, he can find it within his own ranks.
Priest-ridden Ireland exemplifies Catholic penury and misery on a large
scale. In his "Foot-loose in the British Isles," the well-known
globe-trotter Harry A. Franck writes:
"Dublin's slums are reputed the worst, the most dangerous to meandering
sight-seers, of any in Europe. But certainly they did not look it, though
they are cruelly overcrowded, with whole families living in single rooms . .
.. Miserable, dark, stenchy places; yet the girls do not seem to take to the
streets. There is next to no professional immorality, they say, in Dublin,
which wiped out its red-light district some years back and turned the houses
over to nuns. The Irish Free State claims the lowest illegitimate birth-rate
in Europe; and birth-control is hardly known even by name to the masses. Yet
the social problem of Ireland, one of its rare non-Catholic officials
confided, is infanticide. For the inexperienced and decent girl who slips is
inclined to leave her baby on a dung-heap rather than face the fulminations
of the Church."
CHAPTER VIII
ATHEISM -- AND JESUIT DUPLICITY
"Essays of an Atheist" by Woolsey Teller,
Copyright 1945 by The Truth Seeker Company, Inc.
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/essays/jesuitduplic.html
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13 Jan 2005 12:00:52 PM |
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"carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net> wrote in message
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"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
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The attackers who molested me at age 14 were never brought to justice.
That's too bad. I feel for you, Sharon.
You're despicable. Does it get your rocks off to pretend to be someone else
and lead people on?
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12 Jan 2005 07:38:43 PM |
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And Becky, this is *why* you shouldn't listen to a non-expert like
Phony-Pastor Dave about abortion, stepfathers who molest, etc etc etc --
Read here on his "expertees" on women and "insensitivity" --- read Becky.
This is how you're liable to be treated in 20 years from now, by people if
you show any amount of anger for the crime was done against you. (This is
why I suggest getting counseling while you're young. You're probably not in
a controlling cult like I was and can get some sympathetic, informed advice
from professionals on how to deal with your predicament, before it's too
late.)
http://tinyurl.com/49xl7 (and further "advance Google Search" using the
terms "Pastor Dave" as author, "psychosis" "med" or "medications", search
strings which would bring up where I've been told to seek "help" from a
Psychiastrist, (twenty years too late), and "get off the newsgroups".)
Pastor Dave Dec 28 2004, 11:26 am show options
Newsgroups: talk.origins,alt.atheism,alt.bible
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:26:23 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Tues, Dec 28 2004 11:26 am
If Sharon did suffer from psychosis, then it is morally reprehensible to
treat her cruelly for it. If she does not, than it is just as wrong to
suggest she does in such harsh terms as you have been using. As you
profess Christianity, should you not be turning the other cheek when you
don't like the tone of another's remarks?
I went by your own words, Sharon. You sent the post
describing the fact that you take meds and which ones.
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<ommission too of gang bang crime committed against a 14 year old *virgin*>
Phony Pastor Dave, adding abusive, slanderous insults on top of my
horrendously nightmarish memories of abuse. You're going to have to be extra
strong. Some women would just commit suicide, and I tried when I was a young
girl. Prepare for that Becky.
Like many young girls who were brutally molested as children -- I made a
very bad choice in my mid-twenties and married a man who ended up murdering
three people. Two of the victims, he raped before brutally murdering. A
sexual crime against a child, can really screw up their head before life
even gets started, in ways that are inconceivable to the average person
[who's never been the victim of a sexual crime.] The terrorism my ex-husband
put me through, finally was the straw that broke the camel's back and I
suffered an all out nervous breakdown. I was on Trazadone (a sleeping pill
which inhibits nightmares). I had no choice left but to go seek counseling
for the first time in my life, I was falling apart at the seams.
Phony-Pastor Dave has never been raped. Of course, Phony-Pastor Dave
wouldn't understand or empathise with your plight.
Unknown to this non-expert Phony Pastor Dave, who understands zilch, nada,
nothing about women who have been sexually, physically and emotionally
victimized and traumatized (I was diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress
Disorder), on occasion I do visit a Psychiatrist and the last time I spoke
with him, and told him I was on the internet and had made some friends, and
finally beginning to "break out of my shell" for the first time -- gaining
some confidence -- getting some healing for the first time in around twenty
years ... communication helps, and the Psychiatrist agreed it was the best
thing for me.
Don't pay attention to people like this phony Pastor, he will steer you
wrong. Confide in professionals.
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12 Jan 2005 09:49:38 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:38:43 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, "Sharon"
<mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> pontificated:
And Becky, this is *why* you shouldn't listen to a non-expert like
Phony-Pastor Dave about abortion, stepfathers who molest, etc etc etc --
Stop pretending that you care about this girl at all.
Your whole mission is to attack me, because you have
gone off your meds again and your paranoia is showing.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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Important footnote added
"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:11:48 -0500, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, "carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net>
pontificated:
My name is Becky. I am 14 years old. When I was 12, my abusive
stepfather raped me and I became pregnant. Not wanting to bear my
SHARON: You posted to pro-life fanatics Becky.
Those are the *wrong people* to talk to.
I feel safe to assume your step-father holds deeply ingrained religious
beliefs >because, like the animal world with its alpha males --- males are
superior to >females. (This attitude of divine superiority of males,
endowed by a male deity is >conveyed all throughout scripture).
Based on a report by the Australian Government:
Societies with a high incidence of rape . . . tolerate violence and
encourage men and boys to be tough, aggressive, and competitive. Men in such
cultures generally have special, politically important gathering spots off
limits to women, whether they be the Mundurucu men's club or the corner
tavern. Women take little or no part in public decision making or religious
rituals: men mock or scorn women's practical judgment. They also demean what
they consider women's work and remain aloof from childbearing and rearing.
These groups usually trace their beginnings to a male supreme being
(Benderly 1982, p. 42).
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/proceedings/20/goldsmith.pdf
That comes across to me due to the fact he disregarded the law and common
sense, and crossed the line and put his hands on an underaged girl --
without regard >of your mother's feelings or yours -- he cared only about
himself.
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12 Jan 2005 09:44:17 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:56:39 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, "Sharon"
<mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> pontificated:
Important footnote added
"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:qk65u09lh78kc7ig4oucslfou2j239uqpi@4ax.com...
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:11:48 -0500, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, "carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net>
pontificated:
My name is Becky. I am 14 years old. When I was 12, my abusive
stepfather raped me and I became pregnant. Not wanting to bear my
SHARON: You posted to pro-life fanatics Becky.
Those are the *wrong people* to talk to.
I feel safe to assume your step-father holds deeply ingrained religious
beliefs >because, like the animal world with its alpha males --- males are
superior to >females. (This attitude of divine superiority of males,
endowed by a male deity is >conveyed all throughout scripture).
Based on a report by the Australian Government:
Societies with a high incidence of rape . . . tolerate violence and
encourage men and boys to be tough, aggressive, and competitive. Men in such
cultures generally have special, politically important gathering spots off
limits to women, whether they be the Mundurucu men's club or the corner
tavern. Women take little or no part in public decision making or religious
rituals: men mock or scorn women's practical judgment. They also demean what
they consider women's work and remain aloof from childbearing and rearing.
These groups usually trace their beginnings to a male supreme being
(Benderly 1982, p. 42).
It is obvious that your hatred drives your posts.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:56:39 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, "Sharon"
<mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> pontificated:
Important footnote added
"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:qk65u09lh78kc7ig4oucslfou2j239uqpi@4ax.com...
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:11:48 -0500, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, "carl jones" <carljones@usadatanet.net>
pontificated:
My name is Becky. I am 14 years old. When I was 12, my abusive
stepfather raped me and I became pregnant. Not wanting to bear my
SHARON: You posted to pro-life fanatics Becky.
Those are the *wrong people* to talk to.
I feel safe to assume your step-father holds deeply ingrained religious
beliefs >because, like the animal world with its alpha males --- males
are
superior to >females. (This attitude of divine superiority of males,
endowed by a male deity is >conveyed all throughout scripture).
Based on a report by the Australian Government:
Societies with a high incidence of rape . . . tolerate violence and
encourage men and boys to be tough, aggressive, and competitive. Men in
such
cultures generally have special, politically important gathering spots off
limits to women, whether they be the Mundurucu men's club or the corner
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