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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Masked Avenger" |
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08 Mar 2005 02:22:10 AM |
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Re: The free.christians newsgroup |
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Dear Christians,
I hope you're well.
Have you heard about the free.christians newsgroup? It has been packed with
messages. Some atheists travel there for debate and some Christians hang
out for fellowship. It's a busy place!
When you have a minute, please drop by and introduce yourself. Plus, feel
free to include us in your cross-posts.
God bless,
Jason Gastrich
Hi Jason, just wanted to say thanks for inspiring me to get my name on
the alt.atheist list. Apparently I'm now No. 2224, and the list has
taken on a whole new lease of life, thanks to you ! Your campaign to
'pray for No. 11 ' has created a phenomenal interest in the list and it
has recently attracted a record number of people clambering to get on
it....... all thanks to you, your services to atheism are the stuff of
legend...... keep up the good work, the list is now rapidly expanding
and you are creating atheists all over the place, for that, I thank you
.......
--
Masked Avenger
aa#2224
EAC Chief Technician in charge of remotely rigging Fundie 'Spell
Checkers' so they all look like hick home schooled yokels
Does Schroedinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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| User: "David D. aa#2219 thanks to Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: The free.christians newsgroup |
22 Mar 2005 10:12:08 PM |
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David wrote:
DD debated, this time pretty sloppily actually:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Steve Hutchison wrote:
You know, Jason, HarvestDancer is right. When you presume to
pray
to a supernatural entity to override the wishes of an
individual,
you are as much as cursing that person.
Excellent point there. I hadn't really thought of it in that
way.
Kind of fun to critisise their point of view isn't it :-)
Atheists unite across the world to defeat the wicked Christians
and
the evil they have wrought upon their fellow human beings
.......
That being said; the awful Jews and the wretched Muslims are no
better.
Perhaps we should send them all to an island somewhere and they
can
kill each other off.
Regards - Steve
We make up 91.3% of the island we call Earth.
You have got to be joking. Where to you get this stuff from?
Just because you think your voice is from God does not make
it so. What is your source for that ridiculous number?
Considering you think catholics are heretics it makes you
number even more laughable.
Please provide messageid for Jason saying catholics are all heretics.
I
think you made that up.
I did not make this up. On many occassions he has been
asked directly if he thinks catholics are Christians or saved.
He has consistently declined to answer this question. One
can only assume that he thinks they are heretics. What
else should I assume?
Also the figure is for people who believe in God in any way, shape or
form,
rather than atheists, which is the context of what he was answering.
OK i went back and read for context. i was confused when
he said 'we'. I find it strange that he finds atheists more
wrong than others who worship the 'wrong' god/s ? Why
does he lump atheists into a group that are more vile than
the unsaved who worship the wrong god/s ? The burdon
of all those chips on his shoulders must be his
metaphorical cross. His usenet critics his crown of thorns?
Happy Easter Jason, feel the pain.
Even if we said that Catholics were heretics, and no doubt some are,
that
still doesn't make them atheists.
As I said above I still don't see the difference between
heretics and atheists. In fact shouldn't you revile people
who do believe in gods but ignore your God?
David D.
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| User: "Secular Fundamentalist" |
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| Title: Re: Re: The free.christians newsgroup |
29 Mar 2005 12:08:07 PM |
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I was working in the lab, late one night
when my eyes beheld an eerie sight.
"David" <nugatory@pension.com> from the slab began to rise
and suddenly, to my surprise, wrote:
Please provide messageid for Jason saying catholics are all heretics. I
think you made that up.
"They weren't pertinent. They were about Catholics. Catholics are
very
different than Christians. The first Christian church believed like
Protestant Christians believe now.
"
Oh! I wonder who said that?
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
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| User: "Steve Hutchison" |
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| Title: Re: Re: The free.christians newsgroup |
02 Apr 2005 01:49:17 AM |
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"Secular Fundamentalist" <Bill.Frindall@answersinWisden.org> wrote in
message news:da6j41tl4v18f493odsfkiivb5jdf8jus5@4ax.com...
I was working in the lab, late one night
when my eyes beheld an eerie sight.
"David" <nugatory@pension.com> from the slab began to rise
and suddenly, to my surprise, wrote:
Please provide messageid for Jason saying catholics are all heretics. I
think you made that up.
"They weren't pertinent. They were about Catholics. Catholics are
very
different than Christians. The first Christian church believed like
Protestant Christians believe now.
"
Oh! I wonder who said that?
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
Catholics and Protestants are to the same degree different to each other as
Shiite Muslims and Sunni Muslims are from each other. Same religions, but
different ways of expressing their belief in God.
For that matter Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same thing,
but all seem to think that their way is the only way. Clearly the others
won't reach Nirvana/Heaven (or whatever you like to call it). Wow and you
people wonder why I think you're all dumb!
Regards - Steve
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Re: The free.christians newsgroup |
02 Apr 2005 11:51:17 PM |
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"Steve Hutchison" <cable4pc@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:18s3e.21089$C7.13234@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Secular Fundamentalist" <Bill.Frindall@answersinWisden.org> wrote in
message news:da6j41tl4v18f493odsfkiivb5jdf8jus5@4ax.com...
I was working in the lab, late one night
when my eyes beheld an eerie sight.
"David" <nugatory@pension.com> from the slab began to rise
and suddenly, to my surprise, wrote:
Please provide messageid for Jason saying catholics are all heretics. I
think you made that up.
"They weren't pertinent. They were about Catholics. Catholics are
very
different than Christians. The first Christian church believed like
Protestant Christians believe now.
I think the Gnostics might not agree with that.
"
Oh! I wonder who said that?
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
Catholics and Protestants are to the same degree different to each other
as
Shiite Muslims and Sunni Muslims are from each other. Same religions, but
different ways of expressing their belief in God.
For that matter Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same
thing,
but all seem to think that their way is the only way. Clearly the others
won't reach Nirvana/Heaven (or whatever you like to call it). Wow and you
people wonder why I think you're all dumb!
Regards - Steve
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Re: The free.christians newsgroup |
02 Apr 2005 05:38:41 AM |
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"Steve Hutchison" <cable4pc@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:18s3e.21089$C7.13234@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Secular Fundamentalist" <Bill.Frindall@answersinWisden.org> wrote in
message news:da6j41tl4v18f493odsfkiivb5jdf8jus5@4ax.com...
I was working in the lab, late one night
when my eyes beheld an eerie sight.
"David" <nugatory@pension.com> from the slab began to rise
and suddenly, to my surprise, wrote:
Please provide messageid for Jason saying catholics are all heretics. I
think you made that up.
"They weren't pertinent. They were about Catholics. Catholics are
very
different than Christians. The first Christian church believed like
Protestant Christians believe now.
"
Oh! I wonder who said that?
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
Catholics and Protestants are to the same degree different to each other
as
Shiite Muslims and Sunni Muslims are from each other. Same religions, but
different ways of expressing their belief in God.
For that matter Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same
thing,
but all seem to think that their way is the only way. Clearly the others
won't reach Nirvana/Heaven (or whatever you like to call it). Wow and you
people wonder why I think you're all dumb!
Dude, there are LOTS of protestant christians that don't consider Catholics
christian.
--
---------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Steve Hutchison" |
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| Title: Re: Re: The free.christians newsgroup |
02 Apr 2005 11:15:37 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3b7ei0F6f22liU1@individual.net...
"Steve Hutchison" <cable4pc@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:18s3e.21089$C7.13234@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Secular Fundamentalist" <Bill.Frindall@answersinWisden.org> wrote in
message news:da6j41tl4v18f493odsfkiivb5jdf8jus5@4ax.com...
I was working in the lab, late one night
when my eyes beheld an eerie sight.
"David" <nugatory@pension.com> from the slab began to rise
and suddenly, to my surprise, wrote:
Please provide messageid for Jason saying catholics are all heretics.
I
think you made that up.
"They weren't pertinent. They were about Catholics. Catholics are
very
different than Christians. The first Christian church believed like
Protestant Christians believe now.
"
Oh! I wonder who said that?
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
Catholics and Protestants are to the same degree different to each other
as
Shiite Muslims and Sunni Muslims are from each other. Same religions,
but
different ways of expressing their belief in God.
For that matter Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same
thing,
but all seem to think that their way is the only way. Clearly the
others
won't reach Nirvana/Heaven (or whatever you like to call it). Wow and
you
people wonder why I think you're all dumb!
Dude, there are LOTS of protestant christians that don't consider
Catholics
christian.
Well what planet do you come from? Of course they're Christian!
If I look at a Labrador and perceive it as not a dog does that make me
right? Of course it doesn't. There's lots of different dogs around the
world and sure they might be substantially different, but they're not a cat
right?
There are two main branches of Christianity - the Protestants and the
Catholics. There's lots of sub-branches of those and there's even a few
bizarro ones like the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses. They're still all
Christians. Same in the Muslim world. The two main branches are Sunni and
Shiite.
Applies also to the Jews. They have Orthodox Jews and the other (sorry
can't remember what they call that one). When are Christians ever going to
be educated?
I've advised you people numerous times in this NG that Catholics and
Protestants are still both Christians (no matter what you claim) and
furthermore that Christians, Muslims and Jews all worship the same God.
You're essentially all the same however you express your beliefs in
different ways. You all claim that your way is the correct and only path to
salvation and foolishly expect thinking, intelligent people to embrace your
backward religions.
Btw, the Jews initiated the bible and they were the ones whom were involved
in the biblical stories. They also claim that they are the chosen ones
(numerous references in the bible to this) and that "no one else will be
saved". Well where does that leave your lost souls?
Regards - Steve
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Re: The free.christians newsgroup |
03 Apr 2005 12:32:52 PM |
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"Steve Hutchison" <cable4pc@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:ZZK3e.22138$C7.1022@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3b7ei0F6f22liU1@individual.net...
"Steve Hutchison" <cable4pc@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:18s3e.21089$C7.13234@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Secular Fundamentalist" <Bill.Frindall@answersinWisden.org> wrote in
message news:da6j41tl4v18f493odsfkiivb5jdf8jus5@4ax.com...
I was working in the lab, late one night
when my eyes beheld an eerie sight.
"David" <nugatory@pension.com> from the slab began to rise
and suddenly, to my surprise, wrote:
Please provide messageid for Jason saying catholics are all heretics.
I
think you made that up.
"They weren't pertinent. They were about Catholics. Catholics are
very
different than Christians. The first Christian church believed like
Protestant Christians believe now.
"
Oh! I wonder who said that?
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
Catholics and Protestants are to the same degree different to each
other
as
Shiite Muslims and Sunni Muslims are from each other. Same religions,
but
different ways of expressing their belief in God.
For that matter Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same
thing,
but all seem to think that their way is the only way. Clearly the
others
won't reach Nirvana/Heaven (or whatever you like to call it). Wow and
you
people wonder why I think you're all dumb!
Dude, there are LOTS of protestant christians that don't consider
Catholics
christian.
Well what planet do you come from? Of course they're Christian!
No *****, Sherlock. I wasn't referring to myself.
If I look at a Labrador and perceive it as not a dog does that make me
right? Of course it doesn't. There's lots of different dogs around the
world and sure they might be substantially different, but they're not a
cat
right?
There are two main branches of Christianity - the Protestants and the
Catholics. There's lots of sub-branches of those and there's even a few
bizarro ones like the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses. They're still all
Christians. Same in the Muslim world. The two main branches are Sunni
and
Shiite.
Applies also to the Jews. They have Orthodox Jews and the other (sorry
can't remember what they call that one). When are Christians ever going
to
be educated?
I've advised you people numerous times in this NG that Catholics and
Protestants are still both Christians (no matter what you claim) and
furthermore that Christians, Muslims and Jews all worship the same God.
You're essentially all the same however you express your beliefs in
different ways. You all claim that your way is the correct and only path
to
salvation and foolishly expect thinking, intelligent people to embrace
your
backward religions.
Btw, the Jews initiated the bible and they were the ones whom were
involved
in the biblical stories. They also claim that they are the chosen ones
(numerous references in the bible to this) and that "no one else will be
saved". Well where does that leave your lost souls?
Regards - Steve
Ahem, I'm an atheist posting from alt.atheism. I believe that anyone who
says there is a christian is one. Your rant should have been directed
elsewhere.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Steve Hutchison" |
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| Title: Re: Re: The free.christians newsgroup |
03 Apr 2005 02:13:09 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3banm2F6co2p2U1@individual.net...
"Steve Hutchison" <cable4pc@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:ZZK3e.22138$C7.1022@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3b7ei0F6f22liU1@individual.net...
"Steve Hutchison" <cable4pc@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:18s3e.21089$C7.13234@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Secular Fundamentalist" <Bill.Frindall@answersinWisden.org> wrote in
message news:da6j41tl4v18f493odsfkiivb5jdf8jus5@4ax.com...
I was working in the lab, late one night
when my eyes beheld an eerie sight.
"David" <nugatory@pension.com> from the slab began to rise
and suddenly, to my surprise, wrote:
Please provide messageid for Jason saying catholics are all
heretics.
I
think you made that up.
"They weren't pertinent. They were about Catholics. Catholics are
very
different than Christians. The first Christian church believed like
Protestant Christians believe now.
"
Oh! I wonder who said that?
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
Catholics and Protestants are to the same degree different to each
other
as
Shiite Muslims and Sunni Muslims are from each other. Same
religions,
but
different ways of expressing their belief in God.
For that matter Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same
thing,
but all seem to think that their way is the only way. Clearly the
others
won't reach Nirvana/Heaven (or whatever you like to call it). Wow
and
you
people wonder why I think you're all dumb!
Dude, there are LOTS of protestant christians that don't consider
Catholics
christian.
Well what planet do you come from? Of course they're Christian!
No *****, Sherlock. I wasn't referring to myself.
If I look at a Labrador and perceive it as not a dog does that make me
right? Of course it doesn't. There's lots of different dogs around the
world and sure they might be substantially different, but they're not a
cat
right?
There are two main branches of Christianity - the Protestants and the
Catholics. There's lots of sub-branches of those and there's even a few
bizarro ones like the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses. They're still
all
Christians. Same in the Muslim world. The two main branches are Sunni
and
Shiite.
Applies also to the Jews. They have Orthodox Jews and the other (sorry
can't remember what they call that one). When are Christians ever going
to
be educated?
I've advised you people numerous times in this NG that Catholics and
Protestants are still both Christians (no matter what you claim) and
furthermore that Christians, Muslims and Jews all worship the same God.
You're essentially all the same however you express your beliefs in
different ways. You all claim that your way is the correct and only
path
to
salvation and foolishly expect thinking, intelligent people to embrace
your
backward religions.
Btw, the Jews initiated the bible and they were the ones whom were
involved
in the biblical stories. They also claim that they are the chosen ones
(numerous references in the bible to this) and that "no one else will
be
saved". Well where does that leave your lost souls?
Regards - Steve
Ahem, I'm an atheist posting from alt.atheism. I believe that anyone who
says there is a christian is one. Your rant should have been directed
elsewhere.
--
---------
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Apologies there. I'm so accustomed to Protestants claiming that Catholics
aren't Christian (or statements along that line of thought) that I jumped to
the conclusion that you also were one of them. You've probably observed
that they're not the brightest lot and some of the claims they make are
totally devoid of rational thought. The way I see it: if we can convert at
least one Christian then we've accomplished something. It would be far
better if they left the church in droves, but I suppose that would be
unrealistic.
- Steve
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| User: "lizzard woman" |
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| Title: Re: Re: The free.christians newsgroup |
03 Apr 2005 02:27:20 PM |
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"Steve Hutchison" <cable4pc@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:9fX3e.22955$C7.4936@news-
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| Apologies there. I'm so accustomed to Protestants claiming that Catholics
| aren't Christian (or statements along that line of thought) that I jumped
to
| the conclusion that you also were one of them. You've probably observed
| that they're not the brightest lot and some of the claims they make are
| totally devoid of rational thought. The way I see it: if we can convert
at
| least one Christian then we've accomplished something. It would be far
| better if they left the church in droves, but I suppose that would be
| unrealistic.
Until Gastrich uttered it, I have never heard Catholics referred to as
non-Christians. It seems so absurd to suggest that though it in keeping
with the rest of the absurdities Gastrich and his fellow superstitious
practitioners have uttered.
And as I believe others have pointed out, he DOES include Catholics when
tallying up the world's "Christians" so he is not consistent on the matter.
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
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| User: "Terry Rigby" |
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| Title: Re: The free.christians newsgroup |
04 Apr 2005 12:37:58 AM |
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"lizzard woman" <kimosabeRMOVE@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<ssX3e.892250$6l.860779@pd7tw2no>...
"Steve Hutchison" <cable4pc@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:9fX3e.22955$C7.4936@news-
(snip)
| Apologies there. I'm so accustomed to Protestants claiming that Catholics
| aren't Christian (or statements along that line of thought) that I jumped
to
| the conclusion that you also were one of them. You've probably observed
| that they're not the brightest lot and some of the claims they make are
| totally devoid of rational thought. The way I see it: if we can convert
at
| least one Christian then we've accomplished something. It would be far
| better if they left the church in droves, but I suppose that would be
| unrealistic.
Until Gastrich uttered it, I have never heard Catholics referred to as
non-Christians. It seems so absurd to suggest that though it in keeping
with the rest of the absurdities Gastrich and his fellow superstitious
practitioners have uttered.
The Rev. Ian Paisley in Northern Ireland (he of the over loud voice)
who has had a baleful influence over the 'troubles' since 1969, has
said often that the Pope is the Antichrist.
Unfortunately for lasting peace, he is the leader of the DUP, which
polled the most votes in the last NI Assembly elections.
For a pro view see http://www.ianpaisley.org/
For an anti see http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/1678/ian.html
Terry Rigby
And as I believe others have pointed out, he DOES include Catholics when
tallying up the world's "Christians" so he is not consistent on the matter.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Re: The free.christians newsgroup |
04 Apr 2005 05:43:38 AM |
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"Steve Hutchison" <cable4pc@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:9fX3e.22955$C7.4936@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3banm2F6co2p2U1@individual.net...
"Steve Hutchison" <cable4pc@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:ZZK3e.22138$C7.1022@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
snip
Well what planet do you come from? Of course they're Christian!
No *****, Sherlock. I wasn't referring to myself.
If I look at a Labrador and perceive it as not a dog does that make me
right? Of course it doesn't. There's lots of different dogs around
the
world and sure they might be substantially different, but they're not a
cat
right?
There are two main branches of Christianity - the Protestants and the
Catholics. There's lots of sub-branches of those and there's even a
few
bizarro ones like the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses. They're still
all
Christians. Same in the Muslim world. The two main branches are Sunni
and
Shiite.
Applies also to the Jews. They have Orthodox Jews and the other (sorry
can't remember what they call that one). When are Christians ever
going
to
be educated?
I've advised you people numerous times in this NG that Catholics and
Protestants are still both Christians (no matter what you claim) and
furthermore that Christians, Muslims and Jews all worship the same God.
You're essentially all the same however you express your beliefs in
different ways. You all claim that your way is the correct and only
path
to
salvation and foolishly expect thinking, intelligent people to embrace
your
backward religions.
Btw, the Jews initiated the bible and they were the ones whom were
involved
in the biblical stories. They also claim that they are the chosen ones
(numerous references in the bible to this) and that "no one else will
be
saved". Well where does that leave your lost souls?
Regards - Steve
Ahem, I'm an atheist posting from alt.atheism. I believe that anyone who
says there is a christian is one. Your rant should have been directed
elsewhere.
Apologies there.
No problem. I've dealt out some "friendly fire" myself more than once :)
I'm so accustomed to Protestants claiming that Catholics
aren't Christian (or statements along that line of thought) that I jumped
to
the conclusion that you also were one of them. You've probably observed
that they're not the brightest lot and some of the claims they make are
totally devoid of rational thought. The way I see it: if we can convert
at
least one Christian then we've accomplished something. It would be far
better if they left the church in droves, but I suppose that would be
unrealistic.
Sad, but true :)
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: The free.christians newsgroup |
03 Apr 2005 12:02:28 AM |
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Steve Hutchison wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3b7ei0F6f22liU1@individual.net...
"Steve Hutchison" <cable4pc@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:18s3e.21089$C7.13234@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Secular Fundamentalist" <Bill.Frindall@answersinWisden.org> wrote in
message news:da6j41tl4v18f493odsfkiivb5jdf8jus5@4ax.com...
I was working in the lab, late one night
when my eyes beheld an eerie sight.
"David" <nugatory@pension.com> from the slab began to rise
and suddenly, to my surprise, wrote:
Please provide messageid for Jason saying catholics are all heretics.
I
think you made that up.
"They weren't pertinent. They were about Catholics. Catholics are
very
different than Christians. The first Christian church believed like
Protestant Christians believe now.
"
Oh! I wonder who said that?
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
Catholics and Protestants are to the same degree different to each other
as
Shiite Muslims and Sunni Muslims are from each other. Same religions,
but
different ways of expressing their belief in God.
For that matter Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same
thing,
but all seem to think that their way is the only way. Clearly the
others
won't reach Nirvana/Heaven (or whatever you like to call it). Wow and
you
people wonder why I think you're all dumb!
Dude, there are LOTS of protestant christians that don't consider
Catholics
christian.
Well what planet do you come from? Of course they're Christian!
If I look at a Labrador and perceive it as not a dog does that make me
right? Of course it doesn't. There's lots of different dogs around the
world and sure they might be substantially different, but they're not a cat
right?
There are two main branches of Christianity - the Protestants and the
Catholics. There's lots of sub-branches of those and there's even a few
bizarro ones like the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses. They're still all
Christians. Same in the Muslim world. The two main branches are Sunni and
Shiite.
Applies also to the Jews. They have Orthodox Jews and the other (sorry
can't remember what they call that one). When are Christians ever going to
be educated?
I've advised you people numerous times in this NG that Catholics and
Protestants are still both Christians (no matter what you claim) and
furthermore that Christians, Muslims and Jews all worship the same God.
You're essentially all the same however you express your beliefs in
different ways. You all claim that your way is the correct and only path to
salvation and foolishly expect thinking, intelligent people to embrace your
backward religions.
Btw, the Jews initiated the bible and they were the ones whom were involved
in the biblical stories. They also claim that they are the chosen ones
(numerous references in the bible to this) and that "no one else will be
saved". Well where does that leave your lost souls?
The Jews were chosen for a covenant that follows the legal terms of the
day between lord and vassal. It imposed duties on both parties. That's
all. Your "no one else will be saved" allegation is untrue. The Jews
recognize that anyone who follows the Noachide laws has a place in the
world to come. Unlike many Christian sects we are not exclusive.
Regards - Steve
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03 Apr 2005 01:43:04 AM |
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"cactus" <baldemar.malnariz@ubadlands.edu> wrote in message
news:UFL3e.1486$N13.491@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Steve Hutchison wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:3b7ei0F6f22liU1@individual.net...
"Steve Hutchison" <cable4pc@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:18s3e.21089$C7.13234@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Secular Fundamentalist" <Bill.Frindall@answersinWisden.org> wrote in
message news:da6j41tl4v18f493odsfkiivb5jdf8jus5@4ax.com...
I was working in the lab, late one night
when my eyes beheld an eerie sight.
"David" <nugatory@pension.com> from the slab began to rise
and suddenly, to my surprise, wrote:
Please provide messageid for Jason saying catholics are all heretics.
I
think you made that up.
"They weren't pertinent. They were about Catholics. Catholics are
very
different than Christians. The first Christian church believed like
Protestant Christians believe now.
"
Oh! I wonder who said that?
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
Catholics and Protestants are to the same degree different to each
other
as
Shiite Muslims and Sunni Muslims are from each other. Same religions,
but
different ways of expressing their belief in God.
For that matter Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same
thing,
but all seem to think that their way is the only way. Clearly the
others
won't reach Nirvana/Heaven (or whatever you like to call it). Wow and
you
people wonder why I think you're all dumb!
Dude, there are LOTS of protestant christians that don't consider
Catholics
christian.
Well what planet do you come from? Of course they're Christian!
If I look at a Labrador and perceive it as not a dog does that make me
right? Of course it doesn't. There's lots of different dogs around the
world and sure they might be substantially different, but they're not a
cat
right?
There are two main branches of Christianity - the Protestants and the
Catholics. There's lots of sub-branches of those and there's even a few
bizarro ones like the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses. They're still
all
Christians. Same in the Muslim world. The two main branches are Sunni
and
Shiite.
Applies also to the Jews. They have Orthodox Jews and the other (sorry
can't remember what they call that one). When are Christians ever going
to
be educated?
I've advised you people numerous times in this NG that Catholics and
Protestants are still both Christians (no matter what you claim) and
furthermore that Christians, Muslims and Jews all worship the same God.
You're essentially all the same however you express your beliefs in
different ways. You all claim that your way is the correct and only
path to
salvation and foolishly expect thinking, intelligent people to embrace
your
backward religions.
Btw, the Jews initiated the bible and they were the ones whom were
involved
in the biblical stories. They also claim that they are the chosen ones
(numerous references in the bible to this) and that "no one else will
be
saved". Well where does that leave your lost souls?
The Jews were chosen for a covenant that follows the legal terms of the
day between lord and vassal. It imposed duties on both parties. That's
all. Your "no one else will be saved" allegation is untrue. The Jews
recognize that anyone who follows the Noachide laws has a place in the
world to come. Unlike many Christian sects we are not exclusive.
Well how come I've heard and seen so many references to this over the years?
The Jews have a special 144,000 people that will sit beside the lord (a
concept the Jehovah's witnesses stole) and the rest get to be with the Lord.
The rest of you non-Jews are going nowhere according to them.
Regards - Steve
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02 Apr 2005 05:45:48 AM |
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The gates of free.christians slowly swung open, and there stood
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>,who intoned thus:
"Steve Hutchison" <cable4pc@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:18s3e.21089$C7.13234@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Secular Fundamentalist" <Bill.Frindall@answersinWisden.org> wrote in
message news:da6j41tl4v18f493odsfkiivb5jdf8jus5@4ax.com...
I was working in the lab, late one night
when my eyes beheld an eerie sight.
"David" <nugatory@pension.com> from the slab began to rise
and suddenly, to my surprise, wrote:
Please provide messageid for Jason saying catholics are all heretics. I
think you made that up.
"They weren't pertinent. They were about Catholics. Catholics are
very
different than Christians. The first Christian church believed like
Protestant Christians believe now.
"
Oh! I wonder who said that?
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
Catholics and Protestants are to the same degree different to each other
as
Shiite Muslims and Sunni Muslims are from each other. Same religions, but
different ways of expressing their belief in God.
For that matter Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same
thing,
but all seem to think that their way is the only way. Clearly the others
won't reach Nirvana/Heaven (or whatever you like to call it). Wow and you
people wonder why I think you're all dumb!
Dude, there are LOTS of protestant christians that don't consider Catholics
christian.
This one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Paisley
Doesn't even regard catholics as human, and has called the pope 'the
Antichrist', and guess what, he got his 'doctorate' from an American
diploma mill.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
Mistabit doesn't work in mysterious ways, people just don't pay attention.
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02 Apr 2005 05:51:08 AM |
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"Secular Fundamentalist" <Bill.Frindall@answersinWisden.org> wrote in
message news:091t41lbv13mfe3g102i0348aueik1u3je@4ax.com...
The gates of free.christians slowly swung open, and there stood
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>,who intoned thus:
"Steve Hutchison" <cable4pc@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:18s3e.21089$C7.13234@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Secular Fundamentalist" <Bill.Frindall@answersinWisden.org> wrote in
message news:da6j41tl4v18f493odsfkiivb5jdf8jus5@4ax.com...
I was working in the lab, late one night
when my eyes beheld an eerie sight.
"David" <nugatory@pension.com> from the slab began to rise
and suddenly, to my surprise, wrote:
Please provide messageid for Jason saying catholics are all heretics.
I
think you made that up.
"They weren't pertinent. They were about Catholics. Catholics are
very
different than Christians. The first Christian church believed like
Protestant Christians believe now.
"
Oh! I wonder who said that?
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
Catholics and Protestants are to the same degree different to each other
as
Shiite Muslims and Sunni Muslims are from each other. Same religions,
but
different ways of expressing their belief in God.
For that matter Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same
thing,
but all seem to think that their way is the only way. Clearly the
others
won't reach Nirvana/Heaven (or whatever you like to call it). Wow and
you
people wonder why I think you're all dumb!
Dude, there are LOTS of protestant christians that don't consider
Catholics
christian.
This one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Paisley
Doesn't even regard catholics as human, and has called the pope 'the
Antichrist', and guess what, he got his 'doctorate' from an American
diploma mill.
Oh my :P
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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02 Apr 2005 01:51:04 PM |
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On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 07:49:17 GMT, "Steve Hutchison"
<cable4pc@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
"Secular Fundamentalist" <Bill.Frindall@answersinWisden.org> wrote in
message news:da6j41tl4v18f493odsfkiivb5jdf8jus5@4ax.com...
I was working in the lab, late one night
when my eyes beheld an eerie sight.
"David" <nugatory@pension.com> from the slab began to rise
and suddenly, to my surprise, wrote:
Please provide messageid for Jason saying catholics are all heretics. I
think you made that up.
"They weren't pertinent. They were about Catholics. Catholics are
very
different than Christians. The first Christian church believed like
Protestant Christians believe now.
"
Oh! I wonder who said that?
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
Catholics and Protestants are to the same degree different to each other as
Shiite Muslims and Sunni Muslims are from each other. Same religions, but
different ways of expressing their belief in God.
For that matter Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same thing,
but all seem to think that their way is the only way. Clearly the others
won't reach Nirvana/Heaven (or whatever you like to call it). Wow and you
people wonder why I think you're all dumb!
the planet rocks from a succession of irony meter explosions.
Drools the superstitious idiot who can't even read what the person
he's supposedly responding to stated.
/sarcasm
It's the height of intelligence to believe in bronze age excrement
written by ignorant savages.
/sarcasm
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Steve Hutchison" |
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02 Apr 2005 11:00:43 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:0ptt41lj3hkjnefp269a291dkr9t33lk50@4ax.com...
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 07:49:17 GMT, "Steve Hutchison"
<cable4pc@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
"Secular Fundamentalist" <Bill.Frindall@answersinWisden.org> wrote in
message news:da6j41tl4v18f493odsfkiivb5jdf8jus5@4ax.com...
I was working in the lab, late one night
when my eyes beheld an eerie sight.
"David" <nugatory@pension.com> from the slab began to rise
and suddenly, to my surprise, wrote:
Please provide messageid for Jason saying catholics are all heretics.
I
think you made that up.
"They weren't pertinent. They were about Catholics. Catholics are
very
different than Christians. The first Christian church believed like
Protestant Christians believe now.
"
Oh! I wonder who said that?
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
Catholics and Protestants are to the same degree different to each other
as
Shiite Muslims and Sunni Muslims are from each other. Same religions,
but
different ways of expressing their belief in God.
For that matter Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same
thing,
but all seem to think that their way is the only way. Clearly the others
won't reach Nirvana/Heaven (or whatever you like to call it). Wow and
you
people wonder why I think you're all dumb!
the planet rocks from a succession of irony meter explosions.
Drools the superstitious idiot who can't even read what the person
he's supposedly responding to stated.
/sarcasm
It's the height of intelligence to believe in bronze age excrement
written by ignorant savages.
/sarcasm
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
Um yeah I think I've got a pretty good understanding of the way many
Protestants view Catholics, yet you people are of the same religion. What
are you dopey or something?
Sure you have different ways of expressing that belief, but let's be clear
about it: You all believe in the same God right? This same premise applies
also to Muslims and Jews. You all believe in the same God yet have caused
more wars pain and suffering across the globe than all the other reasons
(not counting disease or natural disasters) put together!
So yes I think indeed I do have a good understanding of what the previous
poster was saying, but chose to expand upon it. You do realise that logical
thinking people tend to do this right? Unfortunately Christians seem unable
to reason and prefer to quote scripture as evidence, no matter how
ridiculous the assertion. Not saying that's what you did, but a number of
replies to my postings have been from fools whom prefer to copy directly
from the bible rather than initiate their own unique thought process.
- Steve
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20 Mar 2005 01:33:17 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:53:24 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Steve Hutchison wrote:
You know, Jason, HarvestDancer is right. When you presume to pray
to a supernatural entity to override the wishes of an individual,
you are as much as cursing that person.
Excellent point there. I hadn't really thought of it in that way.
Kind of fun to critisise their point of view isn't it :-)
Atheists unite across the world to defeat the wicked Christians and
the evil they have wrought upon their fellow human beings ......
That being said; the awful Jews and the wretched Muslims are no
better.
Perhaps we should send them all to an island somewhere and they can
kill each other off.
Regards - Steve
We make up 91.3% of the island we call Earth.
Where did you get that figure? What about all the Chinese?
BB
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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20 Mar 2005 02:04:25 PM |
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Bible Bob wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:53:24 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Steve Hutchison wrote:
You know, Jason, HarvestDancer is right. When you presume to pray
to a supernatural entity to override the wishes of an individual,
you are as much as cursing that person.
Excellent point there. I hadn't really thought of it in that way.
Kind of fun to critisise their point of view isn't it :-)
Atheists unite across the world to defeat the wicked Christians and
the evil they have wrought upon their fellow human beings ......
That being said; the awful Jews and the wretched Muslims are no
better.
Perhaps we should send them all to an island somewhere and they can
kill each other off.
Regards - Steve
We make up 91.3% of the island we call Earth.
Where did you get that figure? What about all the Chinese?
BB
It's called Jason Math.
6.5 billion people on the earth
Divided by, a big estimate of 2 billion xters running around
Equals 91.3% of the total earths population.
Get with the times Bible Bob. If Jason says it, it must be "factual".
At least in his own empty little head that is.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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20 Mar 2005 10:30:53 AM |
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Steve Hutchison wrote:
You know, Jason, HarvestDancer is right. When you presume to pray to a
supernatural entity to override the wishes of an individual, you are as
much as cursing that person.
Excellent point there. I hadn't really thought of it in that way.
Kind of fun to critisise their point of view isn't it :-)
Atheists unite across the world to defeat the wicked Christians and the evil
they have wrought upon their fellow human beings ......
That being said; the awful Jews and the wretched Muslims are no better.
Perhaps we should send them all to an island somewhere and they can kill
each other off.
Regards - Steve
Actually, it's even easier then that.
What they are doing is something they preach against on a regular basis.
It's called witchcraft.
They pray to their deity, or recite verses from their book, in an
endeavor to change a person, or an outcome of an event. There is no
difference, they do the same thing.
It's a classic example of they hypocrisy of all religions. They all do,
exactly what they preach against, since it's no different in form, just
uses different names.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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20 Mar 2005 10:46:30 AM |
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:30:53 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
<ktayloraz@qwest.net> wrote:
Steve Hutchison wrote:
You know, Jason, HarvestDancer is right. When you presume to pray to a
supernatural entity to override the wishes of an individual, you are as
much as cursing that person.
Excellent point there. I hadn't really thought of it in that way.
Kind of fun to critisise their point of view isn't it :-)
Atheists unite across the world to defeat the wicked Christians and the evil
they have wrought upon their fellow human beings ......
That being said; the awful Jews and the wretched Muslims are no better.
Perhaps we should send them all to an island somewhere and they can kill
each other off.
Regards - Steve
Actually, it's even easier then that.
What they are doing is something they preach against on a regular basis.
It's called witchcraft.
They pray to their deity, or recite verses from their book, in an
endeavor to change a person, or an outcome of an event. There is no
difference, they do the same thing.
It's a classic example of they hypocrisy of all religions. They all do,
exactly what they preach against, since it's no different in form, just
uses different names.
Hmm. Interesting concept. Are you referring to conjuring up devil
spirits that represent the dead? Or, are you referring to something
else?
But the "they" is the singular "he" for Jason. We are not responsible
for his behaviour (except maybe Davey who encourages it so he can
watch and participate in flame wars). I guess if you meant Jason and
Davey, you were right to use the plural; but I wish you could use an
appropriate nouns such as the "deadly duo" or "little rascals" or some
other terminology tha leaves other Christians out of the mix. Some of
us try to be fair to Christians and non-Christians.
BB
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20 Mar 2005 12:31:49 PM |
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Bible Bob wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:30:53 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
<ktayloraz@qwest.net> wrote:
Steve Hutchison wrote:
You know, Jason, HarvestDancer is right. When you presume to pray to a
supernatural entity to override the wishes of an individual, you are as
much as cursing that person.
Excellent point there. I hadn't really thought of it in that way.
Kind of fun to critisise their point of view isn't it :-)
Atheists unite across the world to defeat the wicked Christians and the evil
they have wrought upon their fellow human beings ......
That being said; the awful Jews and the wretched Muslims are no better.
Perhaps we should send them all to an island somewhere and they can kill
each other off.
Regards - Steve
Actually, it's even easier then that.
What they are doing is something they preach against on a regular basis.
It's called witchcraft.
They pray to their deity, or recite verses from their book, in an
endeavor to change a person, or an outcome of an event. There is no
difference, they do the same thing.
It's a classic example of they hypocrisy of all religions. They all do,
exactly what they preach against, since it's no different in form, just
uses different names.
Hmm. Interesting concept. Are you referring to conjuring up devil
spirits that represent the dead? Or, are you referring to something
else?
No, read what I wrote again. It is the common historical myth, in the
witchcraft legends, of trying to change a person or outcome, by
incantation, recitation of spells, offerings to deities, and prayers.
But the "they" is the singular "he" for Jason. We are not responsible
for his behaviour (except maybe Davey who encourages it so he can
watch and participate in flame wars). I guess if you meant Jason and
Davey, you were right to use the plural; but I wish you could use an
appropriate nouns such as the "deadly duo" or "little rascals" or some
other terminology tha leaves other Christians out of the mix. Some of
us try to be fair to Christians and non-Christians.
BB
OH, that I could see that.
Obviously, you have not had the JW's or Mormons on your doorstep at 1000
on a Saturday morning, trying to "change" your mind, by use of their
"spells and incantations".
The two individuals you list, only represent a very large cross section
of religious nuts, that feel "lead, called, or see a need to" change the
world. Watch religious broadcasting sometime. There is a particularly
fat and obnoxious "wizard" out of Texas. Listen to him some time, and
tell me he's not trying to "change the outcome".
Then there's the skinny, robed, monotone freak down in Florida, and his
"Reclaiming America" crap. He has no problem, telling you what "change"
he's trying to accomplish, through his "prayers and intersessions."
And then, Dr. Evil himself, and his club of 700. What was that nose
about "hurricanes in Florida", because of a gay pride day? Whether
witching is very common in witchcraft lore.
The arrogant one, who takes a list, is attempting to follow a very long
line, of practitioners of witchcraft. There is no difference, only the
names have been changed, to try and validate the practice.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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20 Mar 2005 02:39:23 PM |
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
Steve Hutchison wrote:
You know, Jason, HarvestDancer is right. When you presume to pray to a
supernatural entity to override the wishes of an individual, you are as
much as cursing that person.
Excellent point there. I hadn't really thought of it in that way.
Kind of fun to critisise their point of view isn't it :-)
Atheists unite across the world to defeat the wicked Christians and
the evil
they have wrought upon their fellow human beings ......
That being said; the awful Jews and the wretched Muslims are no better.
Perhaps we should send them all to an island somewhere and they can kill
each other off.
Regards - Steve
Actually, it's even easier then that.
What they are doing is something they preach against on a regular basis.
It's called witchcraft.
They pray to their deity, or recite verses from their book, in an
endeavor to change a person, or an outcome of an event. There is no
difference, they do the same thing.
It's a classic example of they hypocrisy of all religions. They all do,
exactly what they preach against, since it's no different in form, just
uses different names.
You too of course. Welcome to the club.
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20 Mar 2005 03:30:29 PM |
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cactus wrote:
Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
Steve Hutchison wrote:
You know, Jason, HarvestDancer is right. When you presume to pray to a
supernatural entity to override the wishes of an individual, you are as
much as cursing that person.
Excellent point there. I hadn't really thought of it in that way.
Kind of fun to critisise their point of view isn't it :-)
Atheists unite across the world to defeat the wicked Christians and
the evil
they have wrought upon their fellow human beings ......
That being said; the awful Jews and the wretched Muslims are no better.
Perhaps we should send them all to an island somewhere and they can kill
each other off.
Regards - Steve
Actually, it's even easier then that.
What they are doing is something they preach against on a regular basis.
It's called witchcraft.
They pray to their deity, or recite verses from their book, in an
endeavor to change a person, or an outcome of an event. There is no
difference, they do the same thing.
It's a classic example of they hypocrisy of all religions. They all
do, exactly what they preach against, since it's no different in form,
just uses different names.
You too of course. Welcome to the club.
OH, darn, wrong.
I see no evidence of gods, ergo, I am an atheist.
But thanks for trying.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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| User: "" |
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20 Mar 2005 04:55:36 PM |
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
Steve Hutchison wrote:
You know, Jason, HarvestDancer is right. When you presume to pray
to a
supernatural entity to override the wishes of an individual, you
are as
much as cursing that person.
Excellent point there. I hadn't really thought of it in that way.
Kind of fun to critisise their point of view isn't it :-)
Atheists unite across the world to defeat the wicked Christians and
the evil
they have wrought upon their fellow human beings ......
That being said; the awful Jews and the wretched Muslims are no
better.
Perhaps we should send them all to an island somewhere and they can
kill
each other off.
Regards - Steve
Actually, it's even easier then that.
What they are doing is something they preach against on a regular
basis.
It's called witchcraft.
They pray to their deity, or recite verses from their book, in an
endeavor to change a person, or an outcome of an event. There is no
difference, they do the same thing.
A quibble. It's called magick. Witchcraft is a particular variety or
subset of the performance of magick. Just because one is doing magick
does not mean one is performing witchcraft.
I say this in an effort to avoid being lumped in with Gastrich and his
cursing.
It's a classic example of they hypocrisy of all religions. They all
do,
exactly what they preach against, since it's no different in form,
just
uses different names.
All religion is based on magick at some level in some form. It's just
that his religion refuses to recognize that simple fact, and so is
unable to learn what other religions have to say about magick.
Jason Harvestdancer
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20 Mar 2005 05:10:01 PM |
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wrote:
Rev. Karl E. Taylor wrote:
Steve Hutchison wrote:
You know, Jason, HarvestDancer is right. When you presume to pray
to a
supernatural entity to override the wishes of an individual, you
are as
much as cursing that person.
Excellent point there. I hadn't really thought of it in that way.
Kind of fun to critisise their point of view isn't it :-)
Atheists unite across the world to defeat the wicked Christians and
the evil
they have wrought upon their fellow human beings ......
That being said; the awful Jews and the wretched Muslims are no
better.
Perhaps we should send them all to an island somewhere and they can
kill
each other off.
Regards - Steve
Actually, it's even easier then that.
What they are doing is something they preach against on a regular
basis.
It's called witchcraft.
They pray to their deity, or recite verses from their book, in an
endeavor to change a person, or an outcome of an event. There is no
difference, they do the same thing.
A quibble. It's called magick. Witchcraft is a particular variety or
subset of the performance of magick. Just because one is doing magick
does not mean one is performing witchcraft.
I say this in an effort to avoid being lumped in with Gastrich and his
cursing.
It's a classic example of they hypocrisy of all religions. They all
do,
exactly what they preach against, since it's no different in form,
just
uses different names.
All religion is based on magick at some level in some form. It's just
that his religion refuses to recognize that simple fact, and so is
unable to learn what other religions have to say about magick.
Jason Harvestdancer
Point taken. And you are correct. I simply use the term "witchcraft"
as it generally gets the dander up that much faster.
It also tends to slap them in the face, since their form of "magick" is
responsible for the deaths of many, accused of the other forms of "magick".
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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08 Mar 2005 06:50:34 AM |
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In our last episode
<1110274625.432718.180830@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, David Sienkiewicz
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Masked Avenger wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Dear Christians,
I hope you're well.
Have you heard about the free.christians newsgroup? It has been
packed with messages. Some atheists travel there for debate and some
Christians hang out for fellowship. It's a busy place!
When you have a minute, please drop by and introduce yourself. Plus,
feel free to include us in your cross-posts.
God bless,
Jason Gastrich
Hi Jason, just wanted to say thanks for inspiring me to get my name
on
the alt.atheist list. Apparently I'm now No. 2224, and the list has
taken on a whole new lease of life, thanks to you ! Your campaign
to
'pray for No. 11 ' has created a phenomenal interest in the list
and
it has recently attracted a record number of people clambering to
get
on it....... all thanks to you, your services to atheism are the stuff
of legend...... keep up the good work, the list is now
rapidly
expanding and you are creating atheists all over the place, for
that,
I thank you ......
I don't create atheists.
Well, now, don't sell yourself short, Jason!
I do pray for them, though.
Not that anyone's listening.
The more that add
themselves to the list, the more that will receive prayers from
people all
over the world!
Your world is not "the world," Jason. I would tend to doubt that too many
other than you bother, and it's pretty obvious that your motivation is
somewhat less than altruistic.
<snip>
I wonder if he really believes that "people all over the world" are part
of his little "ministry" thing or does he just keep telling himself that,
nervously trying to reassure himself it's not all falling apart...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "" |
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08 Mar 2005 04:03:38 AM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Masked Avenger wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Dear Christians,
I hope you're well.
Have you heard about the free.christians newsgroup? It has been
packed with messages. Some atheists travel there for debate and
some Christians hang out for fellowship. It's a busy place!
When you have a minute, please drop by and introduce yourself.
Plus, feel free to include us in your cross-posts.
God bless,
Jason Gastrich
Hi Jason, just wanted to say thanks for inspiring me to get my name
on
the alt.atheist list. Apparently I'm now No. 2224, and the list has
taken on a whole new lease of life, thanks to you ! Your campaign
to
'pray for No. 11 ' has created a phenomenal interest in the list
and
it has recently attracted a record number of people clambering to
get
on it....... all thanks to you, your services to atheism are the
stuff of legend...... keep up the good work, the list is now
rapidly
expanding and you are creating atheists all over the place, for
that,
I thank you ......
I don't create atheists. I do pray for them, though. The more that
add
themselves to the list, the more that will receive prayers from
people all
over the world!
I know you're thanking me, but I thank you. Now we know you. You'll
be in
our prayers.
I've always been a big believer in making a loud mistake. The soft,
quiet
mistakes often go unnoticed and unhelped. When someone like you
speaks up
and gets on a prayer list, I mean an atheist list, it helps more than
you
realize.
How does it help?
If you pray for "all the atheists in the world" is that less effective
than praying specifically for a named atheist? Is your God unable to
know who the atheists are unless you tell him their names?
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08 Mar 2005 06:54:32 AM |
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On 8 Mar 2005 02:03:38 -0800, wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Masked Avenger wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Dear Christians,
I hope you're well.
Have you heard about the free.christians newsgroup? It has been
packed with messages. Some atheists travel there for debate and
some Christians hang out for fellowship. It's a busy place!
When you have a minute, please drop by and introduce yourself.
Plus, feel free to include us in your cross-posts.
God bless,
Jason Gastrich
Hi Jason, just wanted to say thanks for inspiring me to get my name
on
the alt.atheist list. Apparently I'm now No. 2224, and the list has
taken on a whole new lease of life, thanks to you ! Your campaign
to
'pray for No. 11 ' has created a phenomenal interest in the list
and
it has recently attracted a record number of people clambering to
get
on it....... all thanks to you, your services to atheism are the
stuff of legend...... keep up the good work, the list is now
rapidly
expanding and you are creating atheists all over the place, for
that,
I thank you ......
I don't create atheists. I do pray for them, though. The more that
add
themselves to the list, the more that will receive prayers from
people all
over the world!
I know you're thanking me, but I thank you. Now we know you. You'll
be in
our prayers.
I've always been a big believer in making a loud mistake. The soft,
quiet
mistakes often go unnoticed and unhelped. When someone like you
speaks up
and gets on a prayer list, I mean an atheist list, it helps more than
you
realize.
How does it help?
If you pray for "all the atheists in the world" is that less effective
than praying specifically for a named atheist? Is your God unable to
know who the atheists are unless you tell him their names?
Jason's into a type of voodoo/black magic version of christianity
(santeria?....Jasonism? ) Anyway in his religion you have to steal
something from the prayee before your prayers have power, either that
or sacrifice a small animal.
--
zamboni #2139
BAAWA Assistant to the Vice-Administrator of Malevolence
EAC Tertiary Adjunct to the Dispenser of Obfuscation.
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| User: "David Sienkiewicz" |
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| Title: Re: The free.christians newsgroup |
08 Mar 2005 03:31:01 AM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Masked Avenger wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Dear Christians,
I hope you're well.
Have you heard about the free.christians newsgroup? It has been
packed with messages. Some atheists travel there for debate and
some Christians hang out for fellowship. It's a busy place!
When you have a minute, please drop by and introduce yourself.
Plus, feel free to include us in your cross-posts.
God bless,
Jason Gastrich
Hi Jason, just wanted to say thanks for inspiring me to get my name
on
the alt.atheist list. Apparently I'm now No. 2224, and the list has
taken on a whole new lease of life, thanks to you ! Your campaign
to
'pray for No. 11 ' has created a phenomenal interest in the list
and
it has recently attracte | |
