Religions > Atheism > Re: [The Guardian] The religious hatred bill will inflame rather than calm religious passions
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21 Dec 2004 06:56:40 PM |
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Re: [The Guardian] The religious hatred bill will inflame rather than calm religious passions |
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:47:48 -0500, "Android Cat"
<androidcat98@hotmail.com> wrote:
Critics and $cientology might have to take a seat in the back.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1373878,00.html
A similar law in Australia ended up driving the courts to despair as mad
evangelical Christians and extreme Muslims sued and counter-sued, endlessly
reporting one another's hate-speech. The director of the Australian Muslim
Public Affairs Committee, Amir Butler, had supported a religious hatred law
until, he told the Melbourne Age: "At every Islamic lecture I have attended
since litigation began there have been small groups of evangelical
Christians with notepads and pens jotting down any comment that might later
be used as evidence in future cases."
That is *EXACTLY* why the USA was designed to be neutral on such
issues, and why the ACLU and other civil-rights organizations
(Americans United, etc.) oppose such attempts here in the USA.
It's just a damn shame the UK did not know any better.
Hmm, since CoS trolls are always calling critics the "anti-Scientology
cult", can you get protection in Britain as a religious group? :^P
There is not an evangelical / Fundamentalist Christian church in
the USA that does not spew anti-other-religion hatred (they call
it "love"). I suspect that is true in the United Kingdon as well.
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: [The Guardian] The religious hatred bill will inflame rather than calm religious passions |
22 Dec 2004 07:19:11 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:56:40 GMT the ET form known as The Last
Liberal<desertphile@cchr.ws> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:47:48 -0500, "Android Cat"
<androidcat98@hotmail.com> wrote:
Critics and $cientology might have to take a seat in the back.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1373878,00.html
A similar law in Australia ended up driving the courts to despair as mad
evangelical Christians and extreme Muslims sued and counter-sued, endlessly
reporting one another's hate-speech. The director of the Australian Muslim
Public Affairs Committee, Amir Butler, had supported a religious hatred law
until, he told the Melbourne Age: "At every Islamic lecture I have attended
since litigation began there have been small groups of evangelical
Christians with notepads and pens jotting down any comment that might later
be used as evidence in future cases."
That is *EXACTLY* why the USA was designed to be neutral on such
issues, and why the ACLU and other civil-rights organizations
(Americans United, etc.) oppose such attempts here in the USA.
It's just a damn shame the UK did not know any better.
There are no basic rights like freedom of speech enshrined in the Aus
constitution. These rights exist at the leisure of a government. An
actual Bill of Rights is opposed on the ground that an abusive
government can be voted out. I do not find this very reassuring.
The rationale is that governments could be constrained in what laws
they can pass but have I missed something, that is exactly the purpose
of constitutional guarantees. The law in Victoria are perfectly
constitutional and perfectly stupid.
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apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
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were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in
Hell.
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: [The Guardian] The religious hatred bill will inflame rather than calm religious passions |
22 Dec 2004 03:39:50 AM |
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:56:40 GMT, (The Last
Liberal) wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:47:48 -0500, "Android Cat"
<androidcat98@hotmail.com> wrote:
Critics and $cientology might have to take a seat in the back.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1373878,00.html
A similar law in Australia ended up driving the courts to despair as mad
evangelical Christians and extreme Muslims sued and counter-sued, endlessly
reporting one another's hate-speech. The director of the Australian Muslim
Public Affairs Committee, Amir Butler, had supported a religious hatred law
until, he told the Melbourne Age: "At every Islamic lecture I have attended
since litigation began there have been small groups of evangelical
Christians with notepads and pens jotting down any comment that might later
be used as evidence in future cases."
That is *EXACTLY* why the USA was designed to be neutral on such
issues, and why the ACLU and other civil-rights organizations
(Americans United, etc.) oppose such attempts here in the USA.
It's just a damn shame the UK did not know any better.
What has this got to do with the UK?
The various religious groups co-exist very well here except in NI
where the problem is on the road to reconciliation. They even hold
joint services here when there is some kind of disaster (The Bradford
Football Stadium Fire for example).
Hmm, since CoS trolls are always calling critics the "anti-Scientology
cult", can you get protection in Britain as a religious group? :^P
There is not an evangelical / Fundamentalist Christian church in
the USA that does not spew anti-other-religion hatred (they call
it "love"). I suspect that is true in the United Kingdon as well.
If there are an fundamenalist churches in the uk they either
keep quiet or are mostly ignored by the media and society.
The only prominent presbyterian is Paisley but only then on
political grounds. He, quite rightly is holding up the power
sharing deal in NI until the IRA shows it has disarmed.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "bloodyvikings" |
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| Title: Re: [The Guardian] The religious hatred bill will inflame ratherthan calm religious passions |
22 Dec 2004 08:54:56 AM |
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Les Hellawell wrote:
What has this got to do with the UK?
The various religious groups co-exist very well here except in NI
where the problem is on the road to reconciliation. They even hold
joint services here when there is some kind of disaster (The Bradford
Football Stadium Fire for example).
They even jointly call for censorship in the theatre.
I do not think that the religious hatred bill will have the same effect
here. However, it will give rights to religious groups to silence their
critics and it is easy to see it being used as a universal blasphemy
law. This is a severe restriction on free speech.
We have a Race Relations Act. It is under this that the spreading of
hatred against a cultural group, even those identified by their
religion, can already be dealt with. Nick Griffin is on his way to
prison and quite rightly so for his 'anti-islamic' diatribe because it
was clearly racially motivated.
My contempt and hatred for religion per se is motivated as much as
anything by the rights of the adherents themselves: Not to be
brainwashed, not to be intimidated, not to be lied to, not to be forced
to choose between a life of asceticism and a life of deceit, not to be
killed if they get it wrong.
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| User: "Hartley Patterson" |
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| Title: Re: [The Guardian] The religious hatred bill will inflame rather than calm religious passions |
22 Dec 2004 11:27:17 AM |
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The Last Liberal desertphile@cchr.ws:
That is *EXACTLY* why the USA was designed to be neutral on such
issues, and why the ACLU and other civil-rights organizations
(Americans United, etc.) oppose such attempts here in the USA.
It's just a damn shame the UK did not know any better.
We do. A lot of people have told the government this is a bad law, but it
was approved by our recently ex Home Secretary who didn't listen to advice.
If interpreted as the government intends, it will have no effect whatsoever
on pickets.
There is not an evangelical / Fundamentalist Christian church in
the USA that does not spew anti-other-religion hatred (they call
it "love"). I suspect that is true in the United Kingdon as well.
Only in Northern Ireland, see
http://www.ianpaisley.org/main.asp
The 'religious right' are generally ignored in the UK, which is a far more
secular country than the USA.
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"I just might be the angel at your door"
A medieval spreadsheet and enturbulating entheta.
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