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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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12 Mar 2006 04:54:47 PM |
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Re: THE HIDDEN DANGERS OF FALSE DOCTRINE |
oldwetdog wrote:
THE HIDDEN DANGERS OF FALSE DOCTRINE
We, His People, the Church, will be gathered, ascend or be 'taken
up' to be with Him. That is a Truth. The debate is "when" and "why."
The difference between "the rapture" and "the Gathering of His
Elect" or "the Harvest of Earth" is both in the timing and the
reason He will gather His People, the Elect, the Church. Mat
24:29-31. 1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thes 4:15-18, Rev 11:11-13 20:9-10
and others.
The Doctrine of "the rapture" is not just that the Church will
ascend into heaven to be with the Lord. But "the rapture" teaches
the Church will be 'taken up' so that we do not have to live
through affliction or the time of Tribulation, or die; while the
rest of earth's people must live through affliction and tribulation.
I will not prove, again, in this writing, that "the rapture" is
false doctrine.
See:
*"Does scripture teach the rapture of the Church?"
http://tinyurl.com/nbu6q
*"Seventh trumpet: evidence of delusion"
http://tinyurl.com/lsmbe
*"A list of trumpet events"
http://tinyurl.com/p2epu
*"We shall be caught up"
http://tinyurl.com/syneu
*"Affliction and Tribulation"
http://tinyurl.com/de624
There seem to be three theories of when this event will occur:
pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation, post-tribulation. I will not
define or debate differences between these various theories. I
will continue from the position that it is a false doctrine and
therefore all variations of it are also false.
There are several dangers in this false doctrine.
First is a hope to escape affliction, pain and suffering. It is
certainly natural for us to hope that we will not have to endure
pain. We avoid pain anytime we can: who in their right mind does
not? We insist on pain killer when we visit the dentist. When we
are no longer children, we avoid broken legs and falling on our
head if at all possible.
If we stop and think for a moment, we will realize that it is
only the last generation, or two, who have been able to get a
shot or take a pill to eliminate pain. All the generations of men
who lived before the 1930-40's had to endure pain as part of life.
Since avoiding needless pain is a natural hope, it makes us easy
prey for a lie that if we will drink two glasses of water every
morning we will live long, then die suddenly with no pain or
suffering.
The lie, that we can hope to live out our lives without suffering
as a testimony of our faith in Christ, is definitely aimed at our
natural hope to live, and escape death, without pain.
However, this lie completely ignores scripture which tells us the
Truth: "...No man should be moved by these afflictions: for
yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto." 1 Thes 3:3-4
and 2 Tim 3:12 "Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus
shall suffer persecution." 1 Peter 2:19-21 and read carefully
Matthew 24:7-10, 15, 21.
The Second danger is the confusion of the sequence of events
which will occur before and at His return. The sequence is
important because, although we can not know which day That Day
will be, we can know the general time, or the generation, so we
will not be in the dark.
Paul wrote, "...As ye see the day approaching..." Hebrews 10:25
and 1 Thes 5:4: "But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that That
Day should overtake you as a thief." Mat 25:1-13. Luke 12:54-56
"And he said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of
the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it
is. And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, There will be
heat; and it cometh to pass. Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the
face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not
discern this time?
His Elect, we, are not hypocrites who cannot discern the signs of
the times. But Satan wants to confuse God's People about the
signs, and the sequence of events at His coming, just as he
deceived the people of Jesus' day.
A Third danger is the confusion of what these events actually
are. That is, what "tribulation" is, and who is the cause of the
tribulation. Those who teach "the rapture" use terms like
"tribulation judgment" and "tribulation wrath," even though these
ideas are not found in His Word. This is intended to confuse
Christians about what these events are and who causes them, as
well as when they will occur.
God's Wrath is described in two different ways, which occur at
different times. First is "the seven bowels of His Wrath." Rev
16:1-21. It is important to understand that the first four of
these vials of Wrath are poured out upon the earth, that is, the
planet; not on God's People. Then the fifth and sixth vials of
Wrath are poured out upon the Beasts Kingdom; again not on God's
People. The Last Vial is poured out on the World (as the flood of
Noah was); again, not on God's People.
The second instance of God's Wrath is described by Paul. "But
after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto
thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the
righteous judgment of God..." Rom 1:32, 2:2-5 and Rev 11:13-18;
"Thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be
judged..."
Neither of these events involve God's People, and neither is
described as "tribulation judgment" or "tribulation wrath." These
terms are inventions of Satan, and are used in his attempt to lie
to, confuse and deceive God's People.
A fourth danger is the possibility that some Christians may
accuse others of not being Christian if they do not accept the
false doctrine of "the rapture." And certainly the reverse is
true; that some Christians may accuse those who do believe this
lie of being 'not Christians.' This attempt to get brothers and
sisters fighting among themselves is exactly what Satan did to
Cain and Able. Yes, believing a lie is dangerous: but we are
saved by believing that Jesus is the Son of God, the Messiah, not
by getting every detail of Doctrine correct.
A fifth danger is; having believed this lie, when we discover we
have been deceived, we will be angry at God. As Satan said (the
words out of Job's wife's mouth) to Job; "curse God and die!" Job
2:9. The closer we get to the day and time of affliction, the
more dangerous this discovery will be. It is best to discover the
truth early so we have time to grow strong in it.
The sixth danger has many parts: but basically it is that some
will never discover the truth, or having discovered it too late,
may reject it and God. This problem is rooted in the habit of the
majority of people: believing what someone in authority tells
them to believe.
That a majority of Christians believe what they are told to
believe is simple fact. Some Christians have been raised in a
Church that teaches it is a sin to use musical instruments in
worship; so they believe it. Many Christians have been taught
that they are to take communion once a month, or once a year; so
they believe it. If, this Sunday, their Priest or Pastor were to
tell them that they discovered in God's Word that the moon is
made of Blue Cheese, they may smile for a few minutes, but then
they would believe the moon is made of Blue Cheese.
The next majority has a habit which is worse: they believe what
they wish, no matter what His Word says. If it sounds good, if it
tickles their ears, they believe it. If it allows them to do what
they wish, they believe it. These have no love of truth.
The willingness to believe what someone tells one to believe, or
to simply believe what one wishes; rather than loving Truth and
doing as the Christians of Berea did; is a dangerous weakness.
Coming Soon
What will happen is; that modern Rome will come to power. "Oh,
many will say, that has nothing to do with the coming of the
Lord." Then Satan will take control of Rome, and those who
recognize the signs of the time will begin to witness in sorrow
and hope; but still some will say, "Oh that has nothing to do
with the coming of the Lord."
Then Satan will proclaim himself to be God. There will be a false
Christ. The false God and False Christ will proclaim that the
rapture is past, and if you are still here, then you are lost:
however, if you will worship (this false God) him you can be saved.
Then this false God will claim to be "God" and begin to murder
those who refuse to worship him. The false Christ will claim that
the millennial reign of Christ has begun: and all those who
missed "the rapture" can become "tribulation saints" in the
millennial reign of (this false) Christ.
Then, the worst deception of all: Many who do not recognize the
Modern false God and false Christ will turn on Christians who
reject the false God and false Christ of Rome; then they will
betray us to these false gods, and we will be killed as a
testimony of our faith. Rev 11:2, 3-6, 7-13. Dan 9:27 Mat
24:6-10, 15, 21.
This generation will not all pass away until all prophecy of his
coming are fulfilled.
In the words of John:
"Even so, Lord, come."
Amen.
owd
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http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
God tells us He will give us the understanding of His Word.
James 1:5. Mat. 7:7-11, 10:26, Luke 24:45, 1 Cor. 12:8.
Ps 111:10, 119:33-34, 105, Pro 2:6, 9:10, Ecc. 2:26,
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Compare Eze 2:9 to 3:3 and Dan 12:9-10 with Rev 1:1, 10:7-10.
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For in much wisdom is much grief:
And he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
Solomon
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Amen and amen.
May GOD continue to bless the writing of HIS Word in these USENET
newsgroups, in Jesus' most precious and holy name.
Amen ! ! !
Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory,
cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here
during the next on-line chat (03/16/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:
http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8
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| User: "sanitys IittIe helper" |
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| Title: Re: THE HIDDEN ANGERS OF FALSE DOCTORS |
12 Mar 2006 05:55:26 PM |
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Yeah. right!) wrote:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
Don't apologise unless you intend to modify your behaviour. Such an
empty apology amounts to false witness. You surely must have read what
your mythical Yahweh has to say about that.
--
David Silverman
aa #2208
Atheist for life.
Religion is a social contract between those who would rule us and those
who won't deal with their own *****.
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| User: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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| Title: Global Earthquake Advisory for 03/29/06. |
19 Mar 2006 01:43:11 PM |
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sanity's IittIe helper wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Yeah. right!) wrote:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
Don't apologise unless you intend to modify your behaviour.
Sorry my choice to apologize bother you so terribly. Please forgive all
my iniquities.
You will remain in my prayers, dear David whom I love, in Jesus' most
precious and holy name.
May GOD draw you closer to HIM so that someday you will be able to read
the following that is written on HIS thigh:
"KING of kings and LORD of lords."
Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory for
03/29/06, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this
thread here during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:
http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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| Title: Re: Global Earthquake Advisory for 03/29/06. |
21 Mar 2006 09:42:09 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:43:11 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
sanity's IittIe helper wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Yeah. right!) wrote:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
Don't apologise unless you intend to modify your behaviour.
Sorry my choice to apologize bother you so terribly. Please forgive all
my iniquities.
No. You need to change.
You will remain in my prayers, dear David whom I love, in Jesus' most
precious and holy name.
May GOD draw you closer to HIM so that someday you will be able to read
the following that is written on HIS thigh:
"KING of kings and LORD of lords."
You qualify as a Christian by your demonstrated ability to use lots of words
to say nothing.
Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory for
03/29/06, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this
thread here during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
Its understandable that the LORD embarrassed you.
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Ever hopeful in the face of disappointments, eh?
Andrew
Barry
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Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
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| User: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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| Title: Re: Global Earthquake Advisory for 03/29/06. |
25 Mar 2006 05:09:42 AM |
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Barry OGrady wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:43:11 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
sanity's IittIe helper wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Yeah. right!) wrote:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
Don't apologise unless you intend to modify your behaviour.
Sorry my choice to apologize bother you so terribly. Please forgive all
my iniquities.
No.
Your choice made through the free will that GOD has generously given
you.
Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory for
03/29/06, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this
thread here during the next on-line chat (03/30/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST,
LORD willing:
http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8
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| User: "oldwetdog" |
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| Title: Re: THE HIDDEN ANGERS OF FALSE DOCTORS |
12 Mar 2006 07:50:47 PM |
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sanity's IittIe helper wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Yeah. right!) wrote:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
Don't apologise unless you intend to modify your behaviour. Such an
empty apology amounts to false witness. You surely must have read what
your mythical Yahweh has to say about that.
If you want to feed the Troll that's fine by me...
but why cross post into other NG's ??
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| User: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" |
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| Title: Bearing false witness |
12 Mar 2006 06:19:29 PM |
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sanity's IittIe helper wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
Don't apologise unless you intend to modify your behaviour.
Sorry my shape continues to bother you. You may certainly pray that GOD
reshapes me into something that is more pleasing to you.
Such an empty apology amounts to false witness.
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
You surely must have read what
your mythical Yahweh has to say about that.
Yes.
You remain in my prayers, dear David whom I love, in Jesus' most
precious and holy name.
May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIM.
Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory,
cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here
during the next on-line chat (03/16/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:
http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8
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| User: "ensenadajim" |
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| Title: Re: Bearing false witness |
13 Mar 2006 12:56:24 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:19:29 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<andrew@heartmdphd.com>, satan's agent who has borne false witness
wrote:
nothing to explain why he has done so.
jim
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