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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Mel"
Date: 03 Jul 2005 05:10:10 PM
Object: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous
On 3 Jul 2005 09:35:06 -0700, "dougwa2@hotmail.com" <tedw2@earthlink.net>
wrote in message <1120408506.509764.50250@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

Early AA was a good thing. As Dr.Bob (one of the co-founders of AA)
said in his last major address to AA's:
"It wasnt until 1938 that the teachings and efforts and studies that
had been going on were crystallized in the form of the 12 steps.....We
already had the basic ideas....We got them, as I said , as a result of
our study of the Good Book"
How then did AA, a program with Christian Roots, evolve into a program
that has Gay AA meeting and Gay AA Roundups ( www.gayalcoholics.com).
Indeed, the new (and improved?) 4th Edition of Alcoholics Anonymous has
further deleted some of the Christian Testimonies of early AA pioneers
(Clarence Snyder of Cleveland Ohio: Home Brewmeister) and replaced it
with stories of unrepentant homosexuals: "Tightrope" **
The question is "How did it happen" .
The website of " International Advisory Council of Homosexual Men &
Women in AA) " gives us part of the answer to the sordid story. And it
involves betrayal at the highest levels of Alcholics Anonymous.
Alcoholics Anonymous has a tradition (Traditon 10) which states:
"Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence,the AA
name ought never be drawn into public controversy"
And the traditon served AA well for the first 40 years of its
existence. There were no officially designated "Gay" meetings during
that time. However, as society itself began to deteriorate and begin to
be more accepting of perversion, AA began to reflect this change.
Homosexual activists began clamoring for official acceptance within AA.
But they had to get around the traditon to do it. The General Services
Office of Alcoholics Anonymous was all too willing to help.
Gay Activists wrote a pamphlet entitled "The Homosexual Alcoholic -
A.A.'s Message of Hope to Gay Men and Women." They also published a
meeting list: " Meetings for Gay Recovering Alcoholics". Neither of
these publications were authorized AA publications. It was sort of an
underground AA.
Now let me quote from Nancy T., Arlington the homosexual activist
largely responsible compiling the gay meeting list:
" I made contact with the General Services Office, and sent them copies
of the pamphlet and directories. The GSO folks were very kind. Although
neither the pamphlet nor the directory were Conference approved, those
caring people in New York distributed the pieces of "literature" in
response to requests for information from gay/lesbian Alcoholics and
their friends and sponsors. They also referred people directly to me.
This began a cooperative relationship between the community of gay and
lesbian recovering alcoholics and the General Services Office that
endures to this day through IAC. "
There you are from the mouth of the woman who did it. Alcoholics
Anonymous General Serives Office promoting the homosexual agenda.
Distributing non-conference approved literature and directories to the
public in order to promote an outside issue: the acceptance of
homosexuality in society.
The General Service Office went further. In 1980 homosexual activists
were asked by the GSO staff to help plan two gay/lesbian workshops for
the 1980 International AA Convention.
It could not have happened with the connivance and approval of General
Service Office.Briefly, that is the story of the betrayal of Alcoholics
Anonymous by those trusted servants sworn to have no opinon on outside
issues.And we can be pretty sure they didnt get the idea from their
study of the Good Book.
Ted W
Ted W. is a long time member of Alcoholics Anonymous (28 Years). He is
a believer in Jesus Christ and writes on recovery related issues at
Http://Christianrecovery.blogspot.com

i don't believe that the 12 step cult endorses homosexuality or has any
agenda in that regard.
it is wholly appropriate that it does not discuss the issues of sexual
orientation of its members.
Christian drug rehabilitation programs are oppressive. They will force
patients to abide by Christian morals. Don't be fooled by smiling friendly
Christians extending a hand to help you - they enforce harsh discipline.
A Christian rehab in South Africa called Noupoort (Afrikaans for narrow
gate) was shut down by authorities after one of their patients died there
under their "care".
It was little more than a hard labour camp that forced Christianity upon its
patients.
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User: ""

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 03 Jul 2005 10:18:07 PM
Well if that happened in one so-called Christian "Drug Re-hab" that
must be true of them all, eh Melzabub?
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User: "Mel"

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 03 Jul 2005 10:56:28 PM
On 3 Jul 2005 20:18:07 -0700, "dougwa2@hotmail.com" <tedw2@earthlink.net>
wrote in message <1120447087.513542.164130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>:

Well if that happened in one so-called Christian "Drug Re-hab" that
must be true of them all, eh Melzabub?

yes indeed, it is.
Christians rehabs do not tolerate swearing, smoking, homosexuality etc. etc.
Christian rehabs are run like concentration camps. Noupoort had pitbull dogs
that were turned loose on addicts under their care.
how sick is that?
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User: ""

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 04 Jul 2005 07:36:43 AM
Its very sick. But one couldnt really call that a Christian rehab could
you? I dont recall Christ teaching anybody to unleash pitbull dogs on
addicts under their care. Dont make the mistake of judging Christ by
some of those who call themselves "Christians".
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User: "Newsletter"

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 04 Jul 2005 09:26:09 AM
In article <1120480603.722396.91010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>
"dougwa2@hotmail.com" <tedw2@earthlink.net> wrote:


Its very sick.

Yawn.
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User: "Mel"

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 04 Jul 2005 09:02:53 PM
On 4 Jul 2005 05:36:43 -0700, "dougwa2@hotmail.com" <tedw2@earthlink.net>
wrote in message <1120480603.722396.91010@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:

Its very sick. But one couldnt really call that a Christian rehab could
you?

yes, you can. and many still do.
there is a vociferous group of people very upset about the South African
government's closure of Noupoort.
Noupoort, they claim, was effective in helping many addicts stop using
drugs.
i mean, hell, they conditioned addicts to fear putting a toe outta line -
you do that, you get to run the 100m sprint with a pack of pitbulls taking
bites outta ya *****!
and if all else fails, well, we'll hang you up by the neck. that's how the
addict under their care died - he was hanged to death.
i know people personally from the rooms of Narcotics Anonymous in Cape Town
who were in Noupoort. They all support it. One of them is in fact the guy
responsible for hanging the addict to death. I know the killer. I've shaken
his hand. He was arrested. In the end, he was not prosecuted because the
police just could not get the evidence they needed. He admitted to me that
he was involved, but he had his excuses.

I dont recall Christ teaching anybody to unleash pitbull dogs on
addicts under their care.

NA members who've spent time in Noupoort all have stories about the pitbull
dogs. even taking them on walks (on a leash) was considered punishment,
because the dogs were wild. they'd start biting each other and the person
walking them.

Dont make the mistake of judging Christ by
some of those who call themselves "Christians".

these people were definitely Christians. they all believed in Jesus. they
said all the things you could expect Christians to say.
Christians kill people all the time. just read your newspapers.
Do you think that that woman in Texas who drowned her children in her bath
tub was not a Christian? she was. she is. so is her husband.
you can't have it just the way you want it. you can't say that the person is
not a Christian because they did XYZ. you have to face the fact that these
are people who are Christians who wind up fucking up just like everyone else
does.
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User: ""

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 04 Jul 2005 11:04:02 PM
Do you think that that woman in Texas who drowned her children in her
bath
tub was not a Christian? she was. she is. so is her husband.
No. She was not a Christian. She was possessed by the Devil. She may
have called herself a "Christian" but a more accurate term would be
Luciferian.
.
User: "Mos Not@YourHouse"

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 05 Jul 2005 08:59:57 AM
"dougwa2@hotmail.com" <tedw2@earthlink.net> wrote in
message
news:1120536242.530519.81360@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Do you think that that woman in Texas who drowned her
children in her bath
tub was not a Christian? she was. she is. so is her
husband.

No. She was not a Christian. She was possessed by the
Devil. She may have called herself a "Christian" but a
more accurate term would be Luciferian.

If you had studied your Christian Bible better, you should
have noticed the devil or what ever you want to call him,
never really did anything wrong. All he ever did was put
the temptation out there for people to decide on.
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User: ""

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 06 Jul 2005 12:55:23 PM
It was the devil who killed Christ.The people that he used were just
slaves.
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User: "Mos Not@YourHouse"

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 06 Jul 2005 01:10:20 PM
"dougwa2@hotmail.com" <tedw2@earthlink.net> wrote in
message
news:1120672523.578578.176090@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com

It was the devil who killed Christ. The people that he
used were just slaves.

Just goes to show you if Christ hadn't been so
much into BDSM with his friends, de devil wouldn't
had killed him. That kink stuff can get out of hand.
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User: "Greg Evans"

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 06 Jul 2005 01:00:35 PM
wrote:

It was the devil who killed Christ.The people that he
used were just slaves.

Too much of a weenie coward weakling to do the sweaty jobs himself,
eh? Why, the human race would have to be a bunch of mindless sheep to
fear such a two-bit, small time punk!
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User: "yowie"

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 07 Jul 2005 06:09:29 PM
In article <1120672523.578578.176090@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
tedw2@earthlink.net says...

It was the devil who killed Christ.

You cant 'kill Christ'. The Crist (X) is the basic unit of ironometry -
one Christ is the point of ironic flux saturation beyond which
measurement is considered to be meaningless (and dangerous). Fifty
miliChrists (50mX) is sufficient to cause physical discomfort in a
typical sane individual.

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User: "Greg Evans"

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 07 Jul 2005 08:03:23 PM
yowie wrote:

Fifty miliChrists (50mX) is sufficient to cause physical discomfort
in a typical sane individual.

Yeah, but where are you gonna find one of those??
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User: "Mel"

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 06 Jul 2005 05:30:51 PM
On 6 Jul 2005 10:55:23 -0700, "dougwa2@hotmail.com" <tedw2@earthlink.net>
wrote in message <1120672523.578578.176090@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:

It was the devil who killed Christ.The people that he used were just
slaves.

believing fairy stories is not fun.
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User: "Mel"

Title: Re: Mel believes in fairy tales and anal candy 25 Jul 2005 05:37:40 AM
On 25 Jul 2005 01:49:19 -0700, "freakazoid" <carmenwilson20@hotmail.com>
wrote in message <1122281359.089821.281400@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

Hey... can I get into the action here?

sure. send me $20 for instructions.
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User: "Mi MM ke"

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 05 Jul 2005 05:13:59 AM
"dougwa2@hotmail.com" <tedw2@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1120536242.530519.81360@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Do you think that that woman in Texas who drowned her children in her
bath
tub was not a Christian? she was. she is. so is her husband.

No. She was not a Christian. She was possessed by the Devil. She may
have called herself a "Christian" but a more accurate term would be
Luciferian.

She is a Christian and was possessed by god. Kids are evil and need to be
skull-fucked and drowned.
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User: ""

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 04 Jul 2005 11:02:23 PM
Mel, just because someone calls themselves a Christian, it doesnt make
them one. Just because they mouth certain words that sound Christian
doesnt make them Christian. Indeed, even "Belief" if it is hypnotic
does not make one a Christian. A true Christian is one having the
Spirit of Christ living in his heart. Dont make the mistake of
confusing false Churchians with the true Christians. Granted the real
thing is rare, but it exists. And real Christians dont sick dogs on
people or cause them to be hanged.
.
User: "Douglas D. Anderson"

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 05 Jul 2005 12:58:54 PM
"dougwa2@hotmail.com" <tedw2@earthlink.net> wrote

Mel, just because someone calls themselves a Christian, it doesnt make
them one. Just because they mouth certain words that sound Christian
doesnt make them Christian. Indeed, even "Belief" if it is hypnotic
does not make one a Christian. A true Christian is one having the
Spirit of Christ living in his heart. Dont make the mistake of
confusing false Churchians with the true Christians. Granted the real
thing is rare, but it exists. And real Christians dont sick dogs on
people or cause them to be hanged.

It is also false to make such presumptuous judgements. Fortunately for
the future Church, Jesus did not reject Saul, but wisely understood
that Saul was confused.
.
User: "candymanal"

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 05 Jul 2005 06:50:39 PM
I do not see any humor in these posts.(As the name of the group
implies) However if drug rehab is all that bad, why don't we just have
them all released into your neighborhood and you can counsel them?
Poor, Poor, druggies are getting mistreated. Hmmm, maybe they should
have obeyed the law and they wouldn't be mistreated.
Anywhoo, did ja hear bout the druggie who went to Rosie O'donnell's
house and she had him arrested?
Her 200 pounds of crack is only given to women.
.
User: "Mel"

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 06 Jul 2005 08:59:49 AM
On 5 Jul 2005 16:50:39 -0700, "candymanal" <candymanal@yahoo.com> wrote in
message <1120607439.693011.92700@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:

I do not see any humor in these posts.(As the name of the group
implies) However if drug rehab is all that bad, why don't we just have
them all released into your neighborhood and you can counsel them?
Poor, Poor, druggies are getting mistreated. Hmmm, maybe they should
have obeyed the law and they wouldn't be mistreated.

***** the law.
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User: "Douglas D. Anderson"

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 06 Jul 2005 11:08:38 AM
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote >

***** the law.

Make sure you use a condom, never know what you might catch.
.




User: "Mel"

Title: Re: The Liberal Betrayal of Alcholics Anonymous 05 Jul 2005 10:32:25 AM
On 4 Jul 2005 21:02:23 -0700, "dougwa2@hotmail.com" <tedw2@earthlink.net>
wrote in message <1120536143.762168.202530@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:

Mel, just because someone calls themselves a Christian, it doesnt make
them one.

sorry, bub, but you can't have it both ways. i've already told you this, but
you just don't seem to understand why not.

Just because they mouth certain words that sound Christian
doesnt make them Christian.

sorry, yes it does.
watch any pastor on tv. all you have to do is pray a simple little prayer.

Indeed, even "Belief" if it is hypnotic does not make one a Christian.

you have some very strange ideas.

A true Christian

ha ha. true Christians get on horses and lop off Saracen heads.

is one having the
Spirit of Christ living in his heart. Dont make the mistake of
confusing false Churchians with the true Christians.

there is no confusing them. they are all one mixed bag.
the wheat will only be separated from the chaff on the last day, according
to what Jesus said. until that great day comes, they are all one field.

Granted the real thing is rare, but it exists. And real Christians dont
sick dogs on people or cause them to be hanged.

you'll be surprised what 'real' Christians do. those are the least of their
sins.
On 4 Jul 2005 21:04:02 -0700, "dougwa2@hotmail.com" <tedw2@earthlink.net>
wrote in message <1120536242.530519.81360@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

Do you think that that woman in Texas who drowned her children in her
bath tub was not a Christian? she was. she is. so is her husband.
No. She was not a Christian. She was possessed by the Devil. She may
have called herself a "Christian" but a more accurate term would be
Luciferian.

see this is the problem with cult thinking in a nutshell. it inspires people
to have loony ideas about possession etc.
sorry, pal, but the devil did not make her do it. she was / is mentally ill.
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