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25 Jan 2005 10:01:27 AM |
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Re: THE PLEDGE Round #2 |
"Chas" <chasclementsSPOOF@comcast.net> wrote:
:|The 'founding fathers' that got to be President added the words as well- a
:|free practice of their religion.
None of the first 6 presidents were orthodox christians
To: me
Subject: Unbelievable!!!
From: Mike Newdow
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:25:05 EST
You're going to love this.
I just heard back from the First Federal Congress Project (do you know
them)
regarding oaths. It turns out that the claims that Washington added "... so
help me God" to his first oath are uncorroborated, and probably incorrect!
Were you aware of this?
I asked for some more documentation.
- Mike
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To: Me
Subject: Re: Unbelievable!!!
From: Mike Newdow
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:12:10 EST
I do believe I have some primary source data here that says otherwise
According to them, the only contemporary source is some Frenchman, who said
nothing about "so help me God." They say the first thing stating otherwise
is a secondhand report from someone who was eight years old in 1789. (I
asked for the material.) What do you have that says otherwise?
As I wrote to her:
I've always wondered about that. Here's this fellow who - by all accounts
I've read - was very deliberate and rarely (if ever) spontaneous, who had
just presided over the Constitutional Convention. He was the guy in charge
of the whole thing, who watched as they debated each and every clause. He
knows that 55 men agreed on the only oath in the document - the oath he
was taking - and must have been aware of the fact that it didn't include
"... so help me God." Now he's going to alter that? It doesn't make sense
at all.
I think I am up to date with what you have requested this time and even
sent fill cites in my last email. Is there I missed?
It's looking good ... thanks!
Waiting on the next request (grin)
The only thing right now is the computer file of McAllister's tract. That
would be greatly appreciated ... especially since I seem to have misplaced
half of the pages I have.
Thanks, as always.
- M
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Revisiting Marsh v. Chambers
Marsh v.Chambers is oft referenced. Here is a look at some aspects of the
case.
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/marshchm.htm
Thoughts on Power, Ceremonial Deism &Amp: Public Religion From a Variety of
Sources
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/c-deism.htm
ABOUT CHAPLAINS
Excerpts from James Madison's Detached Memoranda (written after 1817)
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/detach.htm
o James Madison And National Religion
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/madnational.htm
:|> Why do you suppose they did not include religious references in the
:|> presidential oath of office in the first place?
:|
:|they did- they made it an Oath. They gave the option of an Affirmation (and
:|thank you for bringing that to my attention), but essentially, it's an Holy
:|Oath.
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Affirm is not religious
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