** Reply to note from iraey <Iraey@somewhere.com> Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:59:05 -0600
walksalone@dirty.dastardly.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc wrote:
In <6LGdncdkx92wVr7eRVn-rQ@adelphia.com>, on 09/11/05
at 12:14 AM, iraey <Iraey@somewhere.com> said:
SNIP
take the Christian Point your prayers are always answered how be it not
the way you wish them to be but as God see fit based on his design for
I think this "Christian Point" gives the God of Choice
Again, which god of choice. If you want it examined, feel free to trot it out for evaluation. If, OTOH, you
want to hide behind the generic goddidit routine, feel free.
Again which god, considering the xian claim for their gods being eternal,
it helps to identify which of the four you are talking about. Then one can
discuss the qualities of that god, & if the god construct fails, which
they do due to being based on logical fallacy's, then that god can be
dismissed. OTOH, these gods can not be dismissed until they have been
examined.
snip of some gods.
Ihoiho[Polynesia] Ilmarinen[Finnish] Ilyapa[Inca] Imana[Burundi]
Inmar[Finno-Ugric] Inti[Inca] Isten[Hungarian] Jabru[Elamite]
Jagaubis[Latvian] Jumis[Latvian] Ka'cak[Inuit] Kaltesh[Finno-Ugric]
Kane[Polynesia] Karta[Latvian] Kavara'nna[Chuckchee] Kemos[Moabite]
Kere'tkun[Chuckchee] Ketua[Ngbandi] Khadir[Roman N. African]
Kianda[Kimbundu] Knodos[Finnish] Kubaba[Anatolian] Kunto bXan Po[Bon]
Kurdaligon[Ossetian] Kuthu[Kamchadal] Ku'urkil[Chuckchee]
Kvasir[Icelandic] Kwoth[Nuer] Kybele[Phyrgian] Laima[Latvian]
Lamaria[Caucasian] Lau[Andaman Is.] Lauka Mate[Latvian]
snip more senior gods.
Of course you realise, that when you deny those gods & pretend that only
your god is real, you have invoked a variety of logical errors, not the
least of which would be special pleading.
I never commented on others belief only mine. No offensive comments were
made toward others deities or beliefs.
I am attempting to find out which god you claim as yours, now do you have
one or not. If so, be so kind as to explain to the audience how we can
define & identify this particular god. As to your assumed lack of offensive
comments, this is alt.atheism where people like you want to play show &
tell until its their turn to show, then they want us to overlook their
missing gods.
you. I guess in my constant deluded state I can except that with the
understanding that I strive to and will be a better person and be with
People, of all walks of life, contain a mixture of good folks & people you
would not want to invite to diner, no gods required. However, if you have
the need of invisible support, there is no reason you should not have the
freedom to choose which one, or group even. As long as it is in the proper
forum, home, like minded individuals, out of politics, there is no
problem. Its when you drag those gods out for public admiration that you
are subject to notice, a lot of people think of you as a bit more than
foolish.
How come my moral views must be kept out of politics and kept private
If you can not develop your own morals/ethics, then you have no business
speaking in public. Or are you saying you can not develop your own
ethics/morals, but must have someone else tell you what they should be?
and nonbelievers have the right to use that as a basis for dismissal of
moral and ethical behavior. You can not preach inclusion and exclude
Which nonbeliever are you referring to, Hindu, Astaru, Celtic, a follower
of Sheila-na-gig [what a goddess], maybe one of the oceana paths or a
follower of the dreamtime, or, dast I say it, atheists.
Hint, ethics can & are developed in spite of god beliefs, its called if you
don't want your neighbors on your *****, don't give them grounds. AKA
enlightened self-interest.
christian or any other group based on theist or personal belief. Do you
think only agnostics and atheist have the ability to reason and make
choices for the personal good of society. Sound elitist to me. I think
I am beginning to think you don't think. Where did I, or come to that, any
atheist in this thread say believers can not think or be decent on their
own?
As to making decisions on your own for the good of society, that is not a
thing I have the right to do, nor do you.
the extreme from either side are foolish. If you don't believe and end
up in hell that's your choice the information is there for you and if
Standard xian bleater threat number one, buy & fly, deny & fry. A real
sicko of a god you have there. Tate would not do that, nor would any decent
god.
Now the revealed gods of the desert, OTOH, need the threat to keep the good
little sheep from scattering & finding their minds work better without the
virus.
you choose not to believe it's on you. However to set out to
systematically remove my beliefs from public view is no better than what
I don't care if they are in public view, just not in public business. There
is a difference there that I suspect you will never understand, most xian
don't. Its to subtle for them.
you profess we do to you. Sounds like "I have nothing against
christians everybody should own one" to me or maybe a little racist.
I have a lot against some xians & their lack of concern for humanity & my
planet. I also know some decent xians that are concerned about humanity &
the planet. I even know one that is honest enough to tell you, if he should
know you well enough to discuss xianity with you, that there is no logical
reason to believe, but he does.
Christ in the here after. I understand that the suffering of myself and
others is inevitable because of sin and lack of faith. If you doubt the
No, you do not understand that, you accept that as true for it is part &
parcel of your myth. You overlook the gross injustice of perpetual
punishment for t at its kindest, would be called entrapment today. It is
something that is beyond understanding when thought about.
Ok I accecpt, but with acceptance there must be interptitation and
understanding of principles. At least in my thought process.
If you don't even have the ability to present your case in a logical manner,
how can you have understanding? Serious question BTW.
snip
That is the true test of humanity and love. If your heart, Mind and Soul
is planted firmly in this world how can you hope to transcend to God
and ask for his help.
Now, let me sum that up for you, there is so much I can not explain that I
do not like it musty be because of sin. It can't be because of population
density & dynamics, it can only be sin. It can't be the result of the TV
being the universal baby sitter & provider of acceptable behaviour, it
must be sin. The only reason it must be sin is because you have not paid
attention to what is going on around you, & has been since th end of WWII.
OK I usually don't quote scripture but lets look at what sin is.
You were ahead when you left your grimorie out of it. BTW sin, its a middle
English word, found in archery. It means to miss the mark. Just another case
of xianity ripping off words to bend to their daffynitions.
snip platitudes & appeal to unfounded authority.
So even though the human condition has changed since W.W.II we have to
evaluate why. On one hand you could say that the world has turned away
from God and that the decay of family and moral values have resulted in
the wrongs (Sin) that occur in the world.
If I wanted to lie to myself, I could say many things. That would not be one
of them.
Or you could say that the need for personal advancement and prosperity
has taken over and family morals and values have fallen as a condition
of both family parents have to work to meet the ever demanding
conditions of survival in the modern world.
I could say a lot of things, but I am nor sure you would understand them. If
you were a student of history, you would find the US is right where history
says it would end up,on the downward spiral for world power. Its happened to
every power & is not un-expected. The symptoms are not dissimilar to every
other ex-world power.
You can surmise cause and effect all day long but the real reason you
will come back to is the attack on the family in theses modern times.
& there you just told a lie, for if you knew me, you would know I leave
family out of bull ***** sessions like this one.
As freethinking increases and spirituality decreases you will see that
self-determination and justification (Me Generation and Gen X Thought)
removes the fear and repentance of moral convictions to obey the laws of
man or God. "If it feels good do it" has been and will be that mantra of
the ruination of this world. I see this on TV everday.
It goes hand in glove with xianity, the ultimate variety of the gimme
generation.
Brothers look beyond yourself and you will see the love, humanity and
grace that is in you and has always been there.
& in spite of xianity, still is. That can be said for any myth BTW, its
not just xians.
So you do believe in the words of Christ.
Where in the name of the 7,777,77 holy Buddha's did you get that false
impression? I am an atheist, I do not believe in your missing messiah, so I
can't believe it its missing words. Damn but you are not very attentive are
you?
walkslaone who thought school was still in session, or someone left the sheep pen gate open again.
--
"You know you have created God in your own image, when you find
that your God hates the same people that you do."
Author unknown?
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