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Re: The Problem With Rational Recoveryites |
On 10 Apr 2004 02:55:48 GMT, "Kev" <kev@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<c57nnk$2qkijl$1@ID-181496.news.uni-berlin.de>:
I personally did not recover through RR but I have not particularly
seen any Rational Recoveryites denouncing AA on
alt.recovery.from-12-steps either. I recently decided that I should not
post on alt.recovery.aa or alt.recovery.na anymore. I do not really
understand why you have x-posted this as I still read the groups above
and have not seen RR people denouncing AA there - although, there are
plenty of steppers who feel the need to post on
alt.recovery.from-12-steps to point out the error of our ways
As for AA, while they continue to cooperate with forced attendance at
their meetings they are fair game. The complete stranglehold that
steppers have on the treatment industry has prevented viable
alternatives for far too long. Fortunately, the participation of AA and
NA in these practices are bringing them more and more into public
disrepute. Hopefully, at some point, they will accept that their method
does not suit the vast majority of addicted people and they will rein
in their massive collective ego and become a voluntary group (again).
Maybe some people will benefit from their approach but that decision
should be left to the individual
cults do not "rein" anything in. NA / AA must be exposed as the fraud it is.
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11 Apr 2004 11:23:38 AM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
cults do not "rein" anything in. NA / AA must be exposed as the fraud it is.
That will be a difficult task. Just about everyone in any
civilized country knows someone who has been helped by a 12 Step
program. And all you have to offer on the other hand is fantasies and
fallacies.
Good luck.
Glenn S.
"Home Grown" 12 Step Recovery Website at...
http://members.aol.com/GlennS1956
Suffering = clinging to that which changes...
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| User: "Mel" |
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12 Apr 2004 12:38:40 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:23:38 -0400, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote in
message <df5i705gvo6upkb58tjdv9f6akcjss40r3@4ax.com>:
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
cults do not "rein" anything in. NA / AA must be exposed as the fraud it is.
That will be a difficult task. Just about everyone in any
civilized country knows someone who has been helped by a 12 Step
program. And all you have to offer on the other hand is fantasies and
fallacies.
Good luck.
well you know, Christian Science is a cult, and a harmful one at that. and
yet it has its adherents, Tom Cruise I believe is one of their number.
cults seem to be able to survive even when they are known to be a cult.
there are people dedicated to continually exposing cults. often those people
were once involved with the cult they are exposing.
NA does not actually help anyone quit drugs. all NA does is ride on the back
of the "i want to quit using drugs" desire that drug addicts naturally
express.
NA tells drug addicts that it is the only "true" way to get off drugs. and
if you don't use our method, you will die.
that message is very clearly delivered in every single NA meeting. it's
called "carrying the message".
People get out of drug addiction by ceasing to use drugs. That much is
obvious. There's no need for any other treatment. They don't need to believe
in God, take moral inventories of their lives or make amends to anyone.
All they have to do is quit using drugs and stay quit. And their lives will
slowly come right over a few years.
even RR is not essential. RR is just a technique.
What is essential is that use of drugs ceases and does not resume.
That is all.
Anyone addicted to any drug can achieve that much. on their own. without
God's help. without reading a single book. without doing anything except NOT
USING.
When NA tells people that they can't actually quit on their own, that they
are powerless and that they need NA and God and meetings (and the whole cult
shindig) to quit, then NA is doing the drug addict a serious disservice.
NA is worse than redundant. It is part of the problem.
in the same way that the Christian Science cult wastes people's money and
even costs them their lives, NA wastes people's money and costs them their
lives. I have seen NA members kill themselves because they can't bring
themselves to realise that NA is a fucking worthless bunch of horseshit and
leave. but they have been ensnared by the cult, blindly believe its *****
and when they can't get it to work, they lose hope and off themselves.
Neither NA nor rehabs do anything to help drug addicts quit their drugs.
The simple reason any given "quit drugs program" doesn't work is because the
drug addict does not want to quit. Not because they are powerless. that's
horseshit.
The reason why a drug addict relapses is also equally simple - they decided
to take drugs again because they WANTED to. and not for any other reason.
Anyone who really wants to quit doing something, can quit doing it. Just
make a simple decision and stick by it. If you reverse yourself later, pick
yourself back up and reaffirm your decision to quit. Never give up on
yourself no matter what. Always believe that you can achieve your goal.
Sooner or later, you will get it right.
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Mel the Defiler
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| User: "Virtualoso" |
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15 Apr 2004 04:35:57 PM |
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In article <bmgk705r0i0147rk98vlaesf4djmmi227a@4ax.com>, Mel
<mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
People get out of drug addiction by ceasing to use drugs. That much is
obvious. There's no need for any other treatment. . . .
All they have to do is quit using drugs and stay quit. And their lives will
slowly come right over a few years.
Or never get so mucked up with drugs in the first place. Yet, they are.
And many aren't just quitting, anyway. Not that you, personally, need
be concerned or involved with that.
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16 Apr 2004 04:39:37 AM |
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:35:57 -0700, Virtualoso <virtualoso@dot.com> wrote in
message <150420041435579204%virtualoso@dot.com>:
In article <bmgk705r0i0147rk98vlaesf4djmmi227a@4ax.com>, Mel
<mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
People get out of drug addiction by ceasing to use drugs. That much is
obvious. There's no need for any other treatment. . . .
All they have to do is quit using drugs and stay quit. And their lives will
slowly come right over a few years.
Or never get so mucked up with drugs in the first place. Yet, they are.
And many aren't just quitting, anyway. Not that you, personally, need
be concerned or involved with that.
people don't take drugs because they have an illness. they get involved for
any number of reasons. the way out is always the same: stop using. if the
person is not prepared to do that, then nothing can be done.
no need to complicate matters further.
i did the N.A. thing. the N.A. thing turned out to be just a thin veneer for
a harmful religious cult that strives to make people dependent on it for the
rest of their lives (for the purpose of staying clean), when no-one needs
N.A. to quit drugs and stay off them. Anyone can do it.
I argued the toss about everything with people in N.A. and that did not go
over well. I was told umpteen times to "shut the ***** up and just listen"
and I told them to "*****" everytime they told me that. in those words
and harsher terms including kicking over a chair in a meeting when a guy
seriously pissed me off. i'm from scots origin and i can be pretty volatile
at times.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
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| User: "Virtualoso" |
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16 Apr 2004 11:03:07 AM |
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In article <asru70lp4pbrmn54809u2opr6fn3hele4n@4ax.com>, Mel
<mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:35:57 -0700, Virtualoso <virtualoso@dot.com> wrote in
message <150420041435579204%virtualoso@dot.com>:
In article <bmgk705r0i0147rk98vlaesf4djmmi227a@4ax.com>, Mel
<mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
People get out of drug addiction by ceasing to use drugs. That much is
obvious. There's no need for any other treatment. . . .
All they have to do is quit using drugs and stay quit. And their lives will
slowly come right over a few years.
Or never get so mucked up with drugs in the first place. Yet, they are.
And many aren't just quitting, anyway. Not that you, personally, need
be concerned or involved with that.
people don't take drugs because they have an illness. they get involved for
any number of reasons. the way out is always the same: stop using. if the
person is not prepared to do that, then nothing can be done.
no need to complicate matters further.
And yet matters are further complicated anyway.
i did the N.A. thing. the N.A. thing turned out to be just a thin veneer for
a harmful religious cult that strives to make people dependent on it for the
rest of their lives (for the purpose of staying clean), . . .
Or, apparently, that's what you personally "did" with it.
when no-one needs
N.A. to quit drugs and stay off them. Anyone can do it.
There's likely no way for you to actually know this about "anyone",
though.
I argued the toss about everything with people in N.A. and that did not go
over well. . . .
Obviously you like to argue this stuff. Whether or not "anyone" else
might like to do so with you is quite another matter.
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| User: "Mel" |
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17 Apr 2004 03:41:03 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:03:07 -0700, Virtualoso <virtualoso@dot.com> wrote in
message <160420040903075016%virtualoso@dot.com>:
In article <asru70lp4pbrmn54809u2opr6fn3hele4n@4ax.com>, Mel
<mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:35:57 -0700, Virtualoso <virtualoso@dot.com> wrote in
In article <bmgk705r0i0147rk98vlaesf4djmmi227a@4ax.com>, Mel
<mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
People get out of drug addiction by ceasing to use drugs. That much is
obvious. There's no need for any other treatment. . . .
All they have to do is quit using drugs and stay quit. And their lives will
slowly come right over a few years.
Or never get so mucked up with drugs in the first place. Yet, they are.
And many aren't just quitting, anyway. Not that you, personally, need
be concerned or involved with that.
people don't take drugs because they have an illness. they get involved for
any number of reasons. the way out is always the same: stop using. if the
person is not prepared to do that, then nothing can be done.
no need to complicate matters further.
And yet matters are further complicated anyway.
No, they are not. in broad strokes, every individual is responsible for
themselves and themselves alone. they bear full responsibility for the
decisions they make and they are in the best position to make them.
N.A. would have addicts believe that they are insane. Therefore, nothing
they think can be of value and they should just abdict their thinking to the
N.A. cult. Just do whatever N.A. tells you to do. Don't argue. Go with the
flow. These are all cult sayings which are repeated like mantras at any N.A.
meeting.
i did the N.A. thing. the N.A. thing turned out to be just a thin veneer for
a harmful religious cult that strives to make people dependent on it for the
rest of their lives (for the purpose of staying clean), . . .
Or, apparently, that's what you personally "did" with it.
typical cultist. doesn't want to accept responsibility.
when no-one needs
N.A. to quit drugs and stay off them. Anyone can do it.
There's likely no way for you to actually know this about "anyone",
though.
trust me, each person needs to be able to survive on their own. if they
can't do it, they're fucked.
I argued the toss about everything with people in N.A. and that did not go
over well. . . .
Obviously you like to argue this stuff. Whether or not "anyone" else
might like to do so with you is quite another matter.
sure. they're sheep.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
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| User: "Leisure Suit Lamey" |
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17 Apr 2004 07:33:48 AM |
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And yet matters are further complicated anyway.
No, they are not. in broad strokes, every individual is responsible for
themselves and themselves alone. they bear full responsibility for the
decisions they make and they are in the best position to make them.
DOH!
N.A. would have addicts believe that they are insane. Therefore, nothing
they think can be of value and they should just abdict their thinking to the
N.A. cult. Just do whatever N.A. tells you to do. Don't argue. Go with the
flow. These are all cult sayings which are repeated like mantras at any N.A.
meeting.
We sure got your little fingers tapping away.
i did the N.A. thing. the N.A. thing turned out to be just a thin veneer for
a harmful religious cult that strives to make people dependent on it for the
rest of their lives (for the purpose of staying clean), . . .
Or, apparently, that's what you personally "did" with it.
typical cultist. doesn't want to accept responsibility.
Typical self centered *****, thinks the world should do as he does.
when no-one needs
N.A. to quit drugs and stay off them. Anyone can do it.
There's likely no way for you to actually know this about "anyone",
though.
trust me, each person needs to be able to survive on their own. if they
can't do it, they're fucked.
Then why do all the people in AA I know have happy successful lives?
I argued the toss about everything with people in N.A. and that did not go
over well. . . .
Obviously you like to argue this stuff. Whether or not "anyone" else
might like to do so with you is quite another matter.
sure. they're sheep.
And that bothers you? Why do you care?
You're a puppy...We been pulling your leash for weeks now.
fetch.....
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| User: "Virtualoso" |
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17 Apr 2004 04:00:51 PM |
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In article <1gm180d47v14qjbo0rptnriqqqkvpago4i@4ax.com>, Mel
<mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:03:07 -0700, Virtualoso <virtualoso@dot.com> wrote in
message <160420040903075016%virtualoso@dot.com>:
In article <asru70lp4pbrmn54809u2opr6fn3hele4n@4ax.com>, Mel
<mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:35:57 -0700, Virtualoso <virtualoso@dot.com> wrote
in
In article <bmgk705r0i0147rk98vlaesf4djmmi227a@4ax.com>, Mel
<mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
People get out of drug addiction by ceasing to use drugs. That much is
obvious. There's no need for any other treatment. . . .
All they have to do is quit using drugs and stay quit. And their lives
will
slowly come right over a few years.
Or never get so mucked up with drugs in the first place. Yet, they are.
And many aren't just quitting, anyway. Not that you, personally, need
be concerned or involved with that.
people don't take drugs because they have an illness. they get involved for
any number of reasons. the way out is always the same: stop using. if the
person is not prepared to do that, then nothing can be done.
no need to complicate matters further.
And yet matters are further complicated anyway.
No, they are not. in broad strokes, every individual is responsible for
themselves and themselves alone. they bear full responsibility for the
decisions they make and they are in the best position to make them.
Is that according to Them, or according to you? Besides, you mind your
own business and don't tell people what and how they ought to do,
right?
N.A. would have addicts believe that . . . [snip]
And you would have people believe as you do about this.
i did the N.A. thing. the N.A. thing turned out to be just a thin veneer
for
a harmful religious cult that strives to make people dependent on it for
the
rest of their lives (for the purpose of staying clean), . . .
Or, apparently, that's what you personally "did" with it.
typical cultist. doesn't want to accept responsibility.
You're a cultist because you don't want to accept responsibility for
what you, personally, did?
when no-one needs
N.A. to quit drugs and stay off them. Anyone can do it.
There's likely no way for you to actually know this about "anyone",
though.
trust me, each person needs to be able to survive on their own. if they
can't do it, they're fucked.
But then, you don't tell others what they need to do. Are you now
threatening people with being fucked if they don't believe as you do
about this?
I argued the toss about everything with people in N.A. and that did not go
over well. . . .
Obviously you like to argue this stuff. Whether or not "anyone" else
might like to do so with you is quite another matter.
sure. they're sheep.
So NA makes them weak willed and you make them sheep.
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| User: "Leisure Suit Lamey" |
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17 Apr 2004 04:35:21 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:00:51 -0700, Virtualoso <virtualoso@dot.com>
wrote:
In article <1gm180d47v14qjbo0rptnriqqqkvpago4i@4ax.com>, Mel
<mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:03:07 -0700, Virtualoso <virtualoso@dot.com> wrote in
message <160420040903075016%virtualoso@dot.com>:
In article <asru70lp4pbrmn54809u2opr6fn3hele4n@4ax.com>, Mel
<mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:35:57 -0700, Virtualoso <virtualoso@dot.com> wrote
in
In article <bmgk705r0i0147rk98vlaesf4djmmi227a@4ax.com>, Mel
<mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
People get out of drug addiction by ceasing to use drugs. That much is
obvious. There's no need for any other treatment. . . .
All they have to do is quit using drugs and stay quit. And their lives
will
slowly come right over a few years.
Or never get so mucked up with drugs in the first place. Yet, they are.
And many aren't just quitting, anyway. Not that you, personally, need
be concerned or involved with that.
people don't take drugs because they have an illness. they get involved for
any number of reasons. the way out is always the same: stop using. if the
person is not prepared to do that, then nothing can be done.
no need to complicate matters further.
And yet matters are further complicated anyway.
No, they are not. in broad strokes, every individual is responsible for
themselves and themselves alone. they bear full responsibility for the
decisions they make and they are in the best position to make them.
Is that according to Them, or according to you? Besides, you mind your
own business and don't tell people what and how they ought to do,
right?
N.A. would have addicts believe that . . . [snip]
And you would have people believe as you do about this.
i did the N.A. thing. the N.A. thing turned out to be just a thin veneer
for
a harmful religious cult that strives to make people dependent on it for
the
rest of their lives (for the purpose of staying clean), . . .
Or, apparently, that's what you personally "did" with it.
typical cultist. doesn't want to accept responsibility.
You're a cultist because you don't want to accept responsibility for
what you, personally, did?
when no-one needs
N.A. to quit drugs and stay off them. Anyone can do it.
There's likely no way for you to actually know this about "anyone",
though.
trust me, each person needs to be able to survive on their own. if they
can't do it, they're fucked.
But then, you don't tell others what they need to do. Are you now
threatening people with being fucked if they don't believe as you do
about this?
I argued the toss about everything with people in N.A. and that did not go
over well. . . .
Obviously you like to argue this stuff. Whether or not "anyone" else
might like to do so with you is quite another matter.
sure. they're sheep.
So NA makes them weak willed and you make them sheep.
More like he makes us sleep.
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17 Apr 2004 05:24:09 PM |
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"Leisure Suit Lamey" <justme@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8o838054dlpdovso1q1s9chleeietcs8vi@4ax.com...
: On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:00:51 -0700, Virtualoso <virtualoso@dot.com>
: wrote:
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: >In article <1gm180d47v14qjbo0rptnriqqqkvpago4i@4ax.com>, Mel
: ><mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
: >
: >> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:03:07 -0700, Virtualoso <virtualoso@dot.com>
wrote in
: >> message <160420040903075016%virtualoso@dot.com>:
: >> >In article <asru70lp4pbrmn54809u2opr6fn3hele4n@4ax.com>, Mel
: >> ><mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
: >> >> On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:35:57 -0700, Virtualoso <virtualoso@dot.com>
wrote
: >> >> in
: >> >> >In article <bmgk705r0i0147rk98vlaesf4djmmi227a@4ax.com>, Mel
: >> >> ><mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
: >> >> >> People get out of drug addiction by ceasing to use drugs. That
much is
: >> >> >> obvious. There's no need for any other treatment. . . .
: >> >> >> All they have to do is quit using drugs and stay quit. And their
lives
: >> >> >> will
: >> >> >> slowly come right over a few years.
: >> >> >Or never get so mucked up with drugs in the first place. Yet, they
are.
: >> >> >And many aren't just quitting, anyway. Not that you, personally,
need
: >> >> >be concerned or involved with that.
: >> >> people don't take drugs because they have an illness. they get
involved for
: >> >> any number of reasons. the way out is always the same: stop using.
if the
: >> >> person is not prepared to do that, then nothing can be done.
: >> >> no need to complicate matters further.
: >
: >> >And yet matters are further complicated anyway.
: >>
: >> No, they are not. in broad strokes, every individual is responsible for
: >> themselves and themselves alone. they bear full responsibility for the
: >> decisions they make and they are in the best position to make them.
: >
: >Is that according to Them, or according to you? Besides, you mind your
: >own business and don't tell people what and how they ought to do,
: >right?
: >
: >> N.A. would have addicts believe that . . . [snip]
: >
: >And you would have people believe as you do about this.
: >
: >
: >> >> i did the N.A. thing. the N.A. thing turned out to be just a thin
veneer
: >> >> for
: >> >> a harmful religious cult that strives to make people dependent on it
for
: >> >> the
: >> >> rest of their lives (for the purpose of staying clean), . . .
: >
: >> >Or, apparently, that's what you personally "did" with it.
: >>
: >> typical cultist. doesn't want to accept responsibility.
: >
: >You're a cultist because you don't want to accept responsibility for
: >what you, personally, did?
: >
: >> >> when no-one needs
: >> >> N.A. to quit drugs and stay off them. Anyone can do it.
: >> >There's likely no way for you to actually know this about "anyone",
: >> >though.
: >>
: >> trust me, each person needs to be able to survive on their own. if they
: >> can't do it, they're fucked.
: >
: >But then, you don't tell others what they need to do. Are you now
: >threatening people with being fucked if they don't believe as you do
: >about this?
: >
: >> >> I argued the toss about everything with people in N.A. and that did
not go
: >> >> over well. . . .
: >
: >> >Obviously you like to argue this stuff. Whether or not "anyone" else
: >> >might like to do so with you is quite another matter.
: >>
: >> sure. they're sheep.
: >
: >So NA makes them weak willed and you make them sheep.
:
: More like he makes us sheep.
Bleat some more
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16 Apr 2004 03:26:57 PM |
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Virtualoso <virtualoso@dot.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
i did the N.A. thing. the N.A. thing turned out to be just a thin veneer for
a harmful religious cult that strives to make people dependent on it for the
rest of their lives (for the purpose of staying clean), . . .
Or, apparently, that's what you personally "did" with it.
It's not surprising that Mel tried something, and failed at
it. Nor is it surprising that he tried following the rantings of a
raving lunatic, and found them more to his liking.
Glenn S.
"Home Grown" 12 Step Recovery Website at...
http://members.aol.com/GlennS1956
Suffering = clinging to that which changes...
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| User: "Virtualoso" |
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16 Apr 2004 06:03:19 PM |
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In article <dne0809gbfd02pqc88eajk9v6fkfb1t4u3@4ax.com>, GlennS
<GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote:
Virtualoso <virtualoso@dot.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
i did the N.A. thing. the N.A. thing turned out to be . . . [snip]
Or, apparently, that's what you personally "did" with it.
It's not surprising that Mel tried something, and failed at
it. Nor is it surprising that he tried following the rantings of a
raving lunatic, and found them more to his liking.
Well, when I hear someone saying that they "did" something, and then go
on the describe supposedly the "thing" that they "did" as being a
problem, rather than how they did it or how they construe it to be.
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| Title: Re: The Problem With Rational Recoveryites |
12 Apr 2004 01:01:54 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:38:40 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:23:38 -0400, GlennS <GlennVA56@hotmail.com> wrote in
message <df5i705gvo6upkb58tjdv9f6akcjss40r3@4ax.com>:
"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in alt.recovery.from-12-steps...
cults do not "rein" anything in. NA / AA must be exposed as the fraud it is.
That will be a difficult task. Just about everyone in any
civilized country knows someone who has been helped by a 12 Step
program. And all you have to offer on the other hand is fantasies and
fallacies.
Good luck.
well you know, Christian Science is a cult, and a harmful one at that. and
yet it has its adherents, Tom Cruise I believe is one of their number.
So what?
cults seem to be able to survive even when they are known to be a cult.
So what?
there are people dedicated to continually exposing cults. often those people
were once involved with the cult they are exposing.
So what?
NA does not actually help anyone quit drugs. all NA does is ride on the back
of the "i want to quit using drugs" desire that drug addicts naturally
express.
It didn't work for you because you would not allow it. You're still a
crack smoker.
NA tells drug addicts that it is the only "true" way to get off drugs. and
if you don't use our method, you will die.
No they don't, I have never heard that at any AA or Na meeting. You
africans are some fucked up people.
that message is very clearly delivered in every single NA meeting. it's
called "carrying the message".
No it's not.
People get out of drug addiction by ceasing to use drugs. That much is
obvious. There's no need for any other treatment. They don't need to believe
in God, take moral inventories of their lives or make amends to anyone.
Not vile,fowl mouthed fucks like you. But real people who want to be
happy sure do like it.
All they have to do is quit using drugs and stay quit. And their lives will
slowly come right over a few years.
years? AA has better action than that.
even RR is not essential. RR is just a technique.
Then why do you promote it?
What is essential is that use of drugs ceases and does not resume.
DUH!
That is all.
Anyone addicted to any drug can achieve that much. on their own. without
God's help. without reading a single book. without doing anything except NOT
USING.
Says the still using crack monkey.
When NA tells people that they can't actually quit on their own, that they
are powerless and that they need NA and God and meetings (and the whole cult
shindig) to quit, then NA is doing the drug addict a serious disservice.
Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!!!!!! You are something else. I've seen the
results....and you are one fucked up wannabe trollbaby.
< SLAP the rest of this redundant nonsense >
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| User: "Mel" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem With Rational Recoveryites |
13 Apr 2004 02:27:48 AM |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:01:54 GMT, Leisure Suit Lamey <justme@youguess.com>
wrote in message <227a53fe3181d54b6dd9757a1f789e03@news.teranews.com>:
NA does not actually help anyone quit drugs. all NA does is ride on the back
of the "i want to quit using drugs" desire that drug addicts naturally
express.
It didn't work for you because you would not allow it. You're still a
crack smoker.
so now I'm an addict in active addiction?
make up your collective minds.
What am I?
NA tells drug addicts that it is the only "true" way to get off drugs. and
if you don't use our method, you will die.
No they don't, I have never heard that at any AA or Na meeting. You
africans are some fucked up people.
"We are people in the grip of a continuing and progressive illness whose
ends are always the same: jails, institutions and death." P. 3
"The newcomer is the most important person at any meeting, because we can
only keep what we have by giving it away. We have learned from our group
experience that those who keep coming to our meetings regularly stay clean."
P. 9
"Most of us realized that in our addiction we were slowly committing
suicide, but addiction is such a cunning enemy of life that we had lost the
power to do anything about it. Many of us ended up in jail, or sought help
through medicine, religion and psychiatry. None of these methods was
sufficient for us. Our disease always resurfaced or continued to progress
until in desperation, we sought help from each other in Narcotics Anonymous.
After coming to N.A. we realized that we were sick people. We suffered from
a disease from which there is no known cure. It can, however, be arrested at
some point, and recovery is then possible." P. 13
All quotes taken from Narcotics Anonymous Fifth edition.
Please note that in the last quoted paragraph, the reader is informed that
only N.A. works. no other method was sufficient for us.
The irony is that N.A. is a RELIGION!!!
N.A. has:
1. regular meetings
2. rituals
3. a fixed structure to meetings
4. belief in God
5. a collection "plate".
6. trusted servants and sponsors who function as ministers of the N.A.
religion.
Hence it is fair to state that N.A. is a religion.
and YET N.A. rules out religion as having any benefit.
that message is very clearly delivered in every single NA meeting. it's
called "carrying the message".
No it's not.
read my above quotes.
People get out of drug addiction by ceasing to use drugs. That much is
obvious. There's no need for any other treatment. They don't need to believe
in God, take moral inventories of their lives or make amends to anyone.
Not vile,fowl mouthed fucks like you.
oh the irony! *****.
But real people who want to be happy sure do like it.
you're a fucking arsehole.
All they have to do is quit using drugs and stay quit. And their lives will
slowly come right over a few years.
years? AA has better action than that.
no, it does not. it can take years to recover from addiction.
even RR is not essential. RR is just a technique.
Then why do you promote it?
i don't. i don't even use RR for myself.
I read RR and got some ideas which I adapted for my own purpose.
i believe that everyone needs to find their own unique way to quit any given
addiction.
everyone is different, what works for one may not work for another.
this is completely contrary to N.A.'s "one size fits all" approach which
insists that we are "not unique". it's cult conditioning, attempting to get
everyone to conform.
What is essential is that use of drugs ceases and does not resume.
DUH!
So N.A. is redundant.
That is all.
Anyone addicted to any drug can achieve that much. on their own. without
God's help. without reading a single book. without doing anything except NOT
USING.
Says the still using crack monkey.
yes, I've never been an addict, but otoh I'm still a crack using monkey.
....slit yer throat...
I mean this seriously.
....slit yer throat...
let the blood run.
let it soak into your bed as your life ebbs away.
take one last look at the ceiling as the light fades from your still open
eyes.
welcome to your death.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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| User: "Leisure Suit Lamey" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem With Rational Recoveryites |
13 Apr 2004 06:53:20 AM |
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What am I?
If I wasn't feeling an a right proper mood today, I'd answer that
honestly.
NA tells drug addicts that it is the only "true" way to get off drugs. and
if you don't use our method, you will die.
No they don't, I have never heard that at any AA or Na meeting. You
africans are some fucked up people.
"We are people in the grip of a continuing and progressive illness whose
ends are always the same: jails, institutions and death." P. 3
Unless they quit.
DOH!
"The newcomer is the most important person at any meeting, because we can
only keep what we have by giving it away. We have learned from our group
experience that those who keep coming to our meetings regularly stay clean."
P. 9
It's true...so what's the problem?
"Most of us realized that in our addiction we were slowly committing
suicide, but addiction is such a cunning enemy of life that we had lost the
power to do anything about it. Many of us ended up in jail, or sought help
through medicine, religion and psychiatry. None of these methods was
sufficient for us. Our disease always resurfaced or continued to progress
until in desperation, we sought help from each other in Narcotics Anonymous.
After coming to N.A. we realized that we were sick people. We suffered from
a disease from which there is no known cure. It can, however, be arrested at
some point, and recovery is then possible." P. 13
And?
All quotes taken from Narcotics Anonymous Fifth edition.
I'm keeping you busy huh?
Please note that in the last quoted paragraph, the reader is informed that
only N.A. works. no other method was sufficient for us.
For "us", meaning people who chose NA.
The irony is that N.A. is a RELIGION!!!
N.A. has:
1. regular meetings
I have those at work.
2. rituals
I have to be there each day at a certain time.
3. a fixed structure to meetings
Same at work.
4. belief in God
Of you're own choosing.
5. a collection "plate".
Who pays for the rooms and coffee?
6. trusted servants and sponsors who function as ministers of the N.A.
religion.
Helping others is not a bad thing.
Hence it is fair to state that N.A. is a religion.
So my job is a religion?
and YET N.A. rules out religion as having any benefit.
You might reread that again.
that message is very clearly delivered in every single NA meeting. it's
called "carrying the message".
No it's not.
read my above quotes.
yawn.
People get out of drug addiction by ceasing to use drugs. That much is
obvious. There's no need for any other treatment. They don't need to believe
in God, take moral inventories of their lives or make amends to anyone.
Not vile,fowl mouthed fucks like you.
oh the irony! *****.
My point is made.
But real people who want to be happy sure do like it.
you're a fucking arsehole.
I got you there didn't I?
All they have to do is quit using drugs and stay quit. And their lives will
slowly come right over a few years.
years? AA has better action than that.
no, it does not. it can take years to recover from addiction.
Who says?
even RR is not essential. RR is just a technique.
Then why do you promote it?
i don't. i don't even use RR for myself.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So you're a troll, a shitty one, but a troll.
I read RR and got some ideas which I adapted for my own purpose.
See above underlined.........spank.
i believe that everyone needs to find their own unique way to quit any given
addiction.
Then what's your problem with 12 steppers?.....spank.
everyone is different, what works for one may not work for another.
Then what's your problem with 12 steppers?.....spank.
this is completely contrary to N.A.'s "one size fits all" approach which
insists that we are "not unique". it's cult conditioning, attempting to get
everyone to conform.
To what? Everyone I know in AA does their own program based on the 12
steps.
What is essential is that use of drugs ceases and does not resume.
DUH!
So N.A. is redundant.
You smoking again?
That is all.
Anyone addicted to any drug can achieve that much. on their own. without
God's help. without reading a single book. without doing anything except NOT
USING.
Says the still using crack monkey.
yes, I've never been an addict, but otoh I'm still a crack using monkey.
You're a "social" crack user.
...slit yer throat...
I mean this seriously.
...slit yer throat...
let the blood run.
let it soak into your bed as your life ebbs away.
take one last look at the ceiling as the light fades from your still open
eyes.
welcome to your death.
Not at the hands of you.
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| User: "Mel" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem With Rational Recoveryites |
13 Apr 2004 05:38:17 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:53:20 GMT, Leisure Suit Lamey <justme@youguess.com>
wrote in message <16f9599112ed7bff1a49ea9ddb598eeb@news.teranews.com>:
"Most of us realized that in our addiction we were slowly committing
suicide, but addiction is such a cunning enemy of life that we had lost the
power to do anything about it. Many of us ended up in jail, or sought help
through medicine, religion and psychiatry. None of these methods was
sufficient for us. Our disease always resurfaced or continued to progress
until in desperation, we sought help from each other in Narcotics Anonymous.
After coming to N.A. we realized that we were sick people. We suffered from
a disease from which there is no known cure. It can, however, be arrested at
some point, and recovery is then possible." P. 13
All quotes taken from Narcotics Anonymous Fifth edition.
Please note that in the last quoted paragraph, the reader is informed that
only N.A. works. no other method was sufficient for us.
The irony is that N.A. is a RELIGION!!!
N.A. has:
1. regular meetings
I have those at work.
your work is not a religion, even if it is working for a religious
organisation.
2. rituals
I have to be there each day at a certain time.
not the same thing at all, dimwit.
3. a fixed structure to meetings
Same at work.
not at all. at work, you do different things all the time.
N.A. meetings have a format which is followed religiously. Same happens in
churches.
4. belief in God
Of you're own choosing.
every person in every religion has their own unique understanding of what
God is.
I also proved to my satisfaction that N.A. doesn't really leave choosing a
Higher Power (HP) up to the individual. I announced that I had chosen Satan
as my HP at my last meeting in Oct 2000. Predictably, that did not go across
very well. So I showed them to be hypocrites.
Btw in the 12 steps, the phrase "Higher Power" is never used. Step 2 calls
it a "Power greater than ourselves". From there on, that is replaced by the
single word "God" or "Him" or "His". Those three words appear 8 more times
in the rest of the 12 steps.
It is nothing less than a cunning switch.
N.A. makes the claim that religion is of no benefit to ending drug
addiction, then goes on to define its own religion. Neat trick. It is a very
cleverly constructed piece of deceit. It fooled me. It fools a lot of
people.
It fools people, because it holds out bait that people want. It says, "come
here and get involved with us because we will solve your addiction problem."
Nobody wants N.A. for itself. You only swallow the bitter tasting medicine
because you are promised relief for a problem which looms so large in your
life.
But N.A. solves nothing. It only adds to your burdens. It does not ease your
load at all.
There is no magic quick fix to ending addiction. You have to cease taking
drugs. If you are not willing to do that, you are not willing to embrace the
solution. No matter where you go or what program you choose to follow, you
will fail.
The first thing a person needs to know, though, is that they can do it. And
the other thing they need to know is that they MUST do it if taking the drug
is causing them problems. If they feel that they can live with the problems,
then there is no motivation to stopping and any attempt to stop will fail.
5. a collection "plate".
6. trusted servants and sponsors who function as ministers of the N.A.
religion.
Hence it is fair to state that N.A. is a religion.
So my job is a religion?
no, dimwit.
and YET N.A. rules out religion as having any benefit.
You might reread that again.
You re-read it again.
N.A. states that religion has no benefit to ending drug addiction. At the
same time, it becomes obvious that N.A. itself is a religion.
Of course, you have to take a critical approach to N.A. before you are able
to discern this. N.A. obviously discourages such a critical approach. N.A.
exhorts its members to become open-minded about N.A..
N.A. uses the threat of relapse (into drug addiction) and subsequent death
to back its exhortation to its members that they just believe everything
they are told by N.A..
N.A. has sayings which openly criticise intelligence.
The only conclusion that we can draw is that N.A. is a harmful religious
cult masquerading as an effective treatment for drug addiction.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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| User: "Leisure Suit Lamey" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem With Rational Recoveryites |
13 Apr 2004 06:44:41 PM |
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The irony is that N.A. is a RELIGION!!!
N.A. has:
1. regular meetings
I have those at work.
your work is not a religion, even if it is working for a religious
organisation.
Just going by your rules. We have meeting at work....therefore?
2. rituals
I have to be there each day at a certain time.
not the same thing at all, dimwit.
Gotcha didn't I?
3. a fixed structure to meetings
Same at work.
not at all. at work, you do different things all the time.
Do I? Tell me about my work.
N.A. meetings have a format which is followed religiously. Same happens in
churches.
You ain't been to my church.
4. belief in God
Of you're own choosing.
every person in every religion has their own unique understanding of what
God is.
Point is?
I also proved to my satisfaction that N.A. doesn't really leave choosing a
Higher Power (HP) up to the individual. I announced that I had chosen Satan
as my HP at my last meeting in Oct 2000. Predictably, that did not go across
very well. So I showed them to be hypocrites.
Is satan been known to be of any help to anyone?
Btw in the 12 steps, the phrase "Higher Power" is never used. Step 2 calls
it a "Power greater than ourselves". From there on, that is replaced by the
single word "God" or "Him" or "His". Those three words appear 8 more times
in the rest of the 12 steps.
That bother you?
It is nothing less than a cunning switch.
Only if you allow it.
N.A. makes the claim that religion is of no benefit to ending drug
addiction, then goes on to define its own religion. Neat trick. It is a very
cleverly constructed piece of deceit. It fooled me. It fools a lot of
people.
You're easily fooled.
It fools people, because it holds out bait that people want. It says, "come
here and get involved with us because we will solve your addiction problem."
Nobody wants N.A. for itself. You only swallow the bitter tasting medicine
because you are promised relief for a problem which looms so large in your
life.
Problem with that?
But N.A. solves nothing. It only adds to your burdens. It does not ease your
load at all.
Tell 20,000,000 recovering addicts who are very happy that.
There is no magic quick fix to ending addiction. You have to cease taking
drugs. If you are not willing to do that, you are not willing to embrace the
solution. No matter where you go or what program you choose to follow, you
will fail.
DOH!
The first thing a person needs to know, though, is that they can do it. And
the other thing they need to know is that they MUST do it if taking the drug
is causing them problems. If they feel that they can live with the problems,
then there is no motivation to stopping and any attempt to stop will fail.
DOH!
5. a collection "plate".
6. trusted servants and sponsors who function as ministers of the N.A.
religion.
Hence it is fair to state that N.A. is a religion.
So my job is a religion?
no, dimwit.
and YET N.A. rules out religion as having any benefit.
You might reread that again.
You re-read it again.
N.A. states that religion has no benefit to ending drug addiction. At the
same time, it becomes obvious that N.A. itself is a religion.
Who is their god?
Of course, you have to take a critical approach to N.A. before you are able
to discern this. N.A. obviously discourages such a critical approach. N.A.
exhorts its members to become open-minded about N.A..
DOH!
N.A. uses the threat of relapse (into drug addiction) and subsequent death
to back its exhortation to its members that they just believe everything
they are told by N.A..
No they don't.
N.A. has sayings which openly criticise intelligence.
The only conclusion that we can draw is that N.A. is a harmful religious
cult masquerading as an effective treatment for drug addiction.
That's "I" not we.
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| User: "Mel" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem With Rational Recoveryites |
14 Apr 2004 07:37:55 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:44:41 GMT, Leisure Suit Lamey <justme@youguess.com>
wrote in message <d93e890f86106c9af27764e27005959d@news.teranews.com>:
Just going by your rules. We have meeting at work....therefore?
you are an idiot.
Do I? Tell me about my work.
you are unemployed.
You ain't been to my church.
you don't attend.
4. belief in God
Of you're own choosing.
every person in every religion has their own unique understanding of what
God is.
Point is?
it doesn't matter. N.A. is a religion.
I also proved to my satisfaction that N.A. doesn't really leave choosing a
Higher Power (HP) up to the individual. I announced that I had chosen Satan
as my HP at my last meeting in Oct 2000. Predictably, that did not go across
very well. So I showed them to be hypocrites.
Is satan been known to be of any help to anyone?
Satan does not exist. you figure out the rest.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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| User: "Leisure Suit Lamey" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem With Rational Recoveryites |
14 Apr 2004 07:43:05 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:37:55 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:44:41 GMT, Leisure Suit Lamey <justme@youguess.com>
wrote in message <d93e890f86106c9af27764e27005959d@news.teranews.com>:
Just going by your rules. We have meeting at work....therefore?
you are an idiot.
That's it? When slapped with the truth, call some names huh?
Do I? Tell me about my work.
you are unemployed.
Am I?
You ain't been to my church.
you don't attend.
Can you prove this?
4. belief in God
Of you're own choosing.
every person in every religion has their own unique understanding of what
God is.
Point is?
it doesn't matter. N.A. is a religion.
No point? No proof? no wit.
I also proved to my satisfaction that N.A. doesn't really leave choosing a
Higher Power (HP) up to the individual. I announced that I had chosen Satan
as my HP at my last meeting in Oct 2000. Predictably, that did not go across
very well. So I showed them to be hypocrites.
Is satan been known to be of any help to anyone?
Satan does not exist. you figure out the rest.
So why did you choose him as a higher power?
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| User: "Mel" |
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15 Apr 2004 06:51:28 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:43:05 GMT, Leisure Suit Lamey <justme@youguess.com>
wrote in message <4db8a93f0f9af2a3c3230212324b5b41@news.teranews.com>:
I also proved to my satisfaction that N.A. doesn't really leave choosing a
Higher Power (HP) up to the individual. I announced that I had chosen Satan
as my HP at my last meeting in Oct 2000. Predictably, that did not go across
very well. So I showed them to be hypocrites.
Is satan been known to be of any help to anyone?
Satan does not exist. you figure out the rest.
So why did you choose him as a higher power?
i said it to test their reaction.
by that time i had become enraged by the conformist cult attitude found in
N.A.. I found myself arguing almost non-stop with people in meetings. People
kept on coming up to me to tell me what to do, to contradict me, to 'teach'
me. They couldn't stop approaching me to correct me.
i wasn't prepared to do what they told me. i wasn't prepared to just shut up
and listen. i still am not. i rejected their cult. i challenged almost
everything they held to be true, including the prohibition on alcohol. i
wanted to verify that what N.A. preached as Gospel held true for me.
i refused to believe in God and I was vocal about all these points of
difference in meetings. i became increasingly frustrated with the people and
they with me. The cult of N.A. essentially drew a blank dealing with someone
like me. Regardless of all that N.A. preaches about people NOT being unique
etc., I am still known as the MOST UNIQUE person to ever attend N.A.
meetings in Cape Town, South Africa.
At the end of October 2000, I threw them one last curved ball before heading
for the EXIT sign. I announced that I had chosen Satan as my Higher Power.
Of course, I was lying my arse off, but they believed me. They all never
doubted what I said for one second. And their reaction showed me that
although they are so fond of saying that ANYTHING could be chosen as a
Higher Power, clearly Satan was not an acceptable choice.
I left during the break. And after the meeting, they held a special
emergency business meeting just to discuss ME and how to deal with me. They
need not have bothered. I didn't intend going back ever again. And I did
indeed stay away until March 31 2002.
When I got home that October 2000 evening, I used an Internet SMS facility
to send a stream of angry SMSes to a number of people - my lame arse sponsor
who never had time for me and a guy called Chris who to this day I regard as
a *****. My SMSes seriously ***** Chris. My lame arse sponsor showed
the *private* SMSes I sent to him to everyone around him. He was sitting at
the special business meeting discussing me when the SMSes from me started
coming in.
17 months later when I started reattending N.A. (for a few months), I found
that Chris still held huge resentments towards me. He now held some position
at Cape Town's ASC (it is now an RSC). He was a "big cheese" (not the chair,
though, but he held an "important" portfolio). I attended an ASC meeting
where Chris turned out a good performance. Someone had made some negative
comment about him and somehow that had got recorded in the minutes of some
meeting. The person who made the comment was not identified and this just
served to further inflame Chris who ranted on at length for some time about
how ***** he was about this. He swore and cursed and threw a
mini-tantrum. The bottom line was that he felt he was giving up his
"valuable" time to "serve" N.A. by doing this "big, important" thing and the
least people could do was lick his arse. He resigned his portfolio.
Chris also threatened me directly with violence. On more than one occasion.
He made various "warnings" to me. If I did this, or I did that, he would do
the other. I told him I was not interested in associating with him anymore.
Chris, however, did not present me with any problems when I was attending
meetings again in early 2002 or later in Dec 2002 - early 2003. Other
dickheads got their opportunity. But generally speaking, my actions were
much more restrained and less argumentative. In fact I didn't argue at all.
And I made some friends. However, I don't see them anymore since I quit
attending N.A..
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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| User: "Virtualoso" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem With Rational Recoveryites |
16 Apr 2004 11:12:38 AM |
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In article <ev0u70l8s8eu05l45uvvf074e2llv1s452@4ax.com>, Mel
<mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:43:05 GMT, Leisure Suit Lamey <justme@youguess.com>
wrote in message <4db8a93f0f9af2a3c3230212324b5b41@news.teranews.com>:
I also proved to my satisfaction that N.A. doesn't really leave choosing a
Higher Power (HP) up to the individual. I announced that I had chosen
Satan
as my HP at my last meeting in Oct 2000. Predictably, that did not go
across
very well. So I showed them to be hypocrites.
Is satan been known to be of any help to anyone?
Satan does not exist. you figure out the rest.
So why did you choose him as a higher power?
i said it to test their reaction.
by that time i had become enraged by the conformist cult attitude found in
N.A.. I found myself arguing almost non-stop with people in meetings. People
kept on coming up to me to tell me what to do, to contradict me, to 'teach'
me. They couldn't stop approaching me to correct me.
i wasn't prepared to do what they told me. i wasn't prepared to just shut up
and listen. i still am not. . . .
Obviously you'd much rather Tell Them what's what and what's true and
real or not and what They ought to do or not, rather than have anyone
Tell you.
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| User: "Mel" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem With Rational Recoveryites |
17 Apr 2004 03:41:02 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:12:38 -0700, Virtualoso <virtualoso@dot.com> wrote in
message <160420040912389253%virtualoso@dot.com>:
In article <ev0u70l8s8eu05l45uvvf074e2llv1s452@4ax.com>, Mel
<mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:43:05 GMT, Leisure Suit Lamey <justme@youguess.com>
I also proved to my satisfaction that N.A. doesn't really leave choosing a
Higher Power (HP) up to the individual. I announced that I had chosen
Satan
as my HP at my last meeting in Oct 2000. Predictably, that did not go
across
very well. So I showed them to be hypocrites.
Is satan been known to be of any help to anyone?
Satan does not exist. you figure out the rest.
So why did you choose him as a higher power?
i said it to test their reaction.
by that time i had become enraged by the conformist cult attitude found in
N.A.. I found myself arguing almost non-stop with people in meetings. People
kept on coming up to me to tell me what to do, to contradict me, to 'teach'
me. They couldn't stop approaching me to correct me.
i wasn't prepared to do what they told me. i wasn't prepared to just shut up
and listen. i still am not. . . .
Obviously you'd much rather Tell Them what's what and what's true and
real or not and what They ought to do or not, rather than have anyone
Tell you.
sure. but i don't go around solving other people's problems. i don't give
them commands. i don't tell them that if they want to recover, they'd beter
do this, that or the other. i mind my own business.
i found people would approach me to give me commands. then when they found i
wasn't interested, they'd walk away from me. that used to ***** me off.
N.A. people weren't normal people. they couldn't just engage in
conversation. they all had some agenda of pushing ***** onto me.
***** 'em.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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| User: "Leisure Suit Lamey" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem With Rational Recoveryites |
17 Apr 2004 07:30:29 AM |
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i wasn't prepared to do what they told me. i wasn't prepared to just shut up
and listen. i still am not. . . .
Obviously you'd much rather Tell Them what's what and what's true and
real or not and what They ought to do or not, rather than have anyone
Tell you.
sure. but i don't go around solving other people's problems. i don't give
them commands. i don't tell them that if they want to recover, they'd beter
do this, that or the other. i mind my own business.
Bwahahahaha!!!!! How ironic. You tell them to ***** if they don't
agree with you. That's minding yer own business.
i found people would approach me to give me commands. then when they found i
wasn't interested, they'd walk away from me. that used to ***** me off.
Not self centered are you? I bet your parents were glad to see you
go.
N.A. people weren't normal people. they couldn't just engage in
conversation. they all had some agenda of pushing ***** onto me.
From behind I take it?
***** 'em.
Sounds like they fucked you.
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| User: "Mel" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem With Rational Recoveryites |
17 Apr 2004 07:50:58 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 06:30:29 -0600, Leisure Suit Lamey <justme@yahoo.com>
wrote in message <5n8280dtdf0vjn6tttriorosplsu39t64m@4ax.com>:
i wasn't prepared to do what they told me. i wasn't prepared to just shut up
and listen. i still am not. . . .
Obviously you'd much rather Tell Them what's what and what's true and
real or not and what They ought to do or not, rather than have anyone
Tell you.
sure. but i don't go around solving other people's problems. i don't give
them commands. i don't tell them that if they want to recover, they'd beter
do this, that or the other. i mind my own business.
Bwahahahaha!!!!! How ironic. You tell them to ***** if they don't
agree with you. That's minding yer own business.
*****.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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| User: "Leisure Suit Lamey" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem With Rational Recoveryites |
17 Apr 2004 07:51:53 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 02:50:58 +0200, "Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 06:30:29 -0600, Leisure Suit Lamey <justme@yahoo.com>
wrote in message <5n8280dtdf0vjn6tttriorosplsu39t64m@4ax.com>:
i wasn't prepared to do what they told me. i wasn't prepared to just shut up
and listen. i still am not. . . .
Obviously you'd much rather Tell Them what's what and what's true and
real or not and what They ought to do or not, rather than have anyone
Tell you.
sure. but i don't go around solving other people's problems. i don't give
them commands. i don't tell them that if they want to recover, they'd beter
do this, that or the other. i mind my own business.
Bwahahahaha!!!!! How ironic. You tell them to ***** if they don't
agree with you. That's minding yer own business.
*****.
Typical answer from a beaten down and dragged thru the mud loser.
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| User: "ur_droll" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem With Rational Recoveryites |
17 Apr 2004 11:29:07 PM |
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"Leisure Suit Lamey"
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: Typical answer from a beaten down and dragged thru the mud loser.
I gotta save this PKB.... it's so....?????... you
btw.... I reinstated the n.g's again.... so ya can't hide yer beatings
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| User: "Leisure Suit Lamey" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem With Rational Recoveryites |
18 Apr 2004 06:44:30 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:29:07 +1200, "ur_droll" <who.gives@*****.co>
wrote:
"Leisure Suit Lamey"
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: Typical answer from a beaten down and dragged thru the mud loser.
I gotta save this PKB.... it's so....?????... you
btw.... I reinstated the n.g's again.... so ya can't hide yer beatings
I have you saving my posts now? That means I am important to you.
I will try to go easy on you.
Let's see just what I can and have made you do.
1. You stay awake at night waiting for me to post.
2. You copy my material.
3. I make you respond to each and every post.
4. I have you saving my posts now, like it's that damn important.
5. I got you working overtime rearranging the group line.
6. I've caused you to snip and edit posts to hide the ***** kicking you
have been receiving.
Shall I go on? No need. The world see's you self nuking.
< respond here at once cupcake>
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| User: "ur_droll" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem With Rational Recoveryites |
19 Apr 2004 04:16:15 AM |
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"Leisure Suit Lamey" <justme@youguess.com> wrote in message
news:70a771da81f928508490d0cf787025df@news.teranews.com...
: On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:29:07 +1200, "ur_droll" <who.gives@*****.co>
: wrote:
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: >
: >"Leisure Suit Lamey"
: >:
: >: Typical answer from a beaten down and dragged thru the mud loser.
: >
: >
: >I gotta save this PKB.... it's so....?????... you
: >
: >btw.... I reinstated the n.g's again.... so ya can't hide yer beatings
: >
: I have you saving my posts now? That means I am important to you.
: I will try to go easy on you.
No..... once again... you have the shitty end of the stick wedged between
yer teeth as ya race around pretending to be a clever puppy playing fetch.
A simple reinstatement of the n.g list is not quite the same as "saving
posts"
...... or is that how you do it??
Btw.....
You forgot to deny that you delete groups from the follow ups in order
to better hide the wounds of yer beatings......
No doubt "that" was just a silly mistake on your part.
BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
:
: Let's see just what I can and have made you do.
:
: 1. You stay awake at night waiting for me to post.
PKB
: 2. You copy my material.
PKB
: 3. I make you respond to each and every post.
PKB...... More on that one later... (see reply)
: 4. I have you saving my posts now, like it's that damn important.
PKB
: 5. I got you working overtime rearranging the group line.
PKB... Hell!... one only has to click reply to yer posts to see that
: 6. I've caused you to snip and edit posts to hide the ***** Licking you
: have been receiving.
I'll give you that one..... yer slobbering all over it is embarrassing
: Shall I go on? No need. The world see's you self nuking.
:
: < respond here at once cupcake>
Ain't that the prettiest little lamers tool?
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| User: "Leisure Suit Lamey" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem With Rational Recoveryites |
25 Apr 2004 08:29:32 PM |
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:16:15 +1200, "ur_droll" <who.gives@*****.co>
wrote:
"Leisure Suit Lamey" <justme@youguess.com> wrote in message
news:70a771da81f928508490d0cf787025df@news.teranews.com...
: On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:29:07 +1200, "ur_droll" <who.gives@*****.co>
: wrote:
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: >
: >"Leisure Suit Lamey"
: >:
: >: Typical answer from a beaten down and dragged thru the mud loser.
: >
: >
: >I gotta save this PKB.... it's so....?????... you
: >
: >btw.... I reinstated the n.g's again.... so ya can't hide yer beatings
: >
: I have you saving my posts now? That means I am important to you.
: I will try to go easy on you.
No..... once again... you have the shitty end of the stick wedged between
yer teeth as ya race around pretending to be a clever puppy playing fetch.
evasion noted.
Btw.....
You forgot to deny that you delete groups from the follow ups in order
to better hide the wounds of yer beatings......
< looks up > They're all still there. Keep trying ya forging puppy.
PKB... Hell!... one only has to click reply to yer posts to see that
So you fall for the follow up trick? What an idiot.
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*There are three types of people in this world. Ones that can count, and those that can't.
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| User: "Mel" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem With Rational Recoveryites |
19 Apr 2004 02:24:41 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:44:30 GMT, Leisure Suit Lamey <justme@youguess.com>
wrote in message <70a771da81f928508490d0cf787025df@news.teranews.com>:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:29:07 +1200, "ur_droll" <who.gives@*****.co>
"Leisure Suit Lamey"
: Typical answer from a beaten down and dragged thru the mud loser.
I gotta save this PKB.... it's so....?????... you
btw.... I reinstated the n.g's again.... so ya can't hide yer beatings
I have you saving my posts now? That means I am important to you.
I will try to go easy on you.
Let's see just what I can and have made you do.
1. You stay awake at night waiting for me to post.
2. You copy my material.
3. I make you respond to each and every post.
4. I have you saving my posts now, like it's that damn important.
5. I got you working overtime rearranging the group line.
6. I've caused you to snip and edit posts to hide the ***** kicking you
have been receiving.
Shall I go on? No need. The world see's you self nuking.
< respond here at once cupcake>
nice cry, fuckwit. do please write us more.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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