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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
Date: 03 Dec 2005 02:33:48 AM
Object: Re: The Secret to Low-Carb Diet Success: Eat Less
Jeff wrote:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:438F45FC.2EA7D262@heartmdphd.com...

(...)

Someday, he will learn about the 2PD-OMER Approach:


Well, I have. The "Approach" is a diet

If that were true, it would not be possible to combine it with a
low-carb diet (in an attempt to bring this back on-topic).

that has very little backing by
science.

Actually there is (even if this backing is presently unpublished and
will remain so per the LORD's will).

There is no good reason, backed by science, to think that 2 pounds
is the correct amount of food for everyone.

Truth is a good reason that is more than backed by science (Indeed,
truth is the underpinnings of science).

(...)

Press release about a larger study (more than 625,550 people for more
than 5 years):


A press release?

Yes.

A larger study?

Yes.

*****.

The manner of your refutation just decreased your credibility to zero,
dear Jeff.

There was no such study.

In truth there is. Your denying it is not going to make it disappear.

The
number comes from the Bible.

You will have to make up your mind about whether you believe in chance
(ie coincidence) or in GOD. You can not have it both ways.

Mr. Chung claims this large number.

This large number is the truth.

With such a
huge number of people, one would explect there to be some peer-review

There has been. This is a collaborative effort involving many other
physicians since the 2PD-OMER Approach is not to be undertaken without
such supervision especially when there are medications involved as is
often the case.

or a
grant.

The 2PD-OMER Approach is free, the participants are unpaid volunteers,
the communications have been via email, the time provided by the
LORD... the costs have been negligible.

This study is essentially a hoax.

If that were true, why are you here?

Anyone who beleives his "press release" is an idiot.

If that were true, the LORD would have helped you with your spelling so
that you might be more convincing.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
In Christ's love always,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
.

User: "Yournameheres personal Cthulhu"

Title: Re: Re: The Secret to Low-Carb Diet Success: Eat Less 03 Dec 2005 12:30:47 PM
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User: "Jeff"

Title: Re: The Secret to Low-Carb Diet Success: Eat Less 03 Dec 2005 04:46:33 PM
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1133598828.159730.166100@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

This is a collaborative effort involving many other
physicians since the 2PD-OMER Approach is not to be undertaken without
such supervision especially when there are medications involved as is
often the case.

Who are these physicians? Where are they (academic affiliation)? What
organizations provided the funding (grants)?
Jeff
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Secret to Low-Carb Diet Success: Eat Less 03 Dec 2005 05:37:55 PM
Jeff wrote:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1133598828.159730.166100@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

This is a collaborative effort involving many other
physicians since the 2PD-OMER Approach is not to be undertaken without
such supervision especially when there are medications involved as is
often the case.


Who are these physicians? Where are they (academic affiliation)? What
organizations provided the funding (grants)?

Jeff

... and where's the peer-reviewed documentation and writeup of these
findings?
.
User: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"

Title: Re: The Secret to Low-Carb Diet Success: Eat Less 03 Dec 2005 06:42:37 PM
<dr_ernie_primeau@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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Jeff wrote:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nospam6@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1133598828.159730.166100@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

This is a collaborative effort involving many other
physicians since the 2PD-OMER Approach is not to be undertaken without
such supervision especially when there are medications involved as is
often the case.


Who are these physicians? Where are they (academic affiliation)? What
organizations provided the funding (grants)?

Jeff


... and where's the peer-reviewed documentation and writeup of these
findings?

On my desk.
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following this thread
here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):
http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the
LORD has reshaped me:
http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
In Christ's love always,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
.



User: "Thorsten Schier"

Title: Re: The Secret to Low-Carb Diet Success: Eat Less 03 Dec 2005 04:19:19 AM
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:

Jeff wrote:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:438F45FC.2EA7D262@heartmdphd.com...

(...)


Someday, he will learn about the 2PD-OMER Approach:


Well, I have. The "Approach" is a diet



If that were true, it would not be possible to combine it with a
low-carb diet (in an attempt to bring this back on-topic).

Why shouldn't it be possible to follow more than one diet at a time?
Many people have to do this because they have more then one medical
condition that require a specific diet.


that has very little backing by
science.



Actually there is (even if this backing is presently unpublished and
will remain so per the LORD's will).

What good is a study if it does not get published?


There is no good reason, backed by science, to think that 2 pounds
is the correct amount of food for everyone.



Truth is a good reason that is more than backed by science (Indeed,
truth is the underpinnings of science).

However, 2 pounds being the correct amount of food for everyone are not
the truth.


(...)


Press release about a larger study (more than 625,550 people for more
than 5 years):


Please let us know when the results of this "study" have been published
in a peer reviewed journal.
Until then, it is a safe bet that this study does not exist except in
your imagination.
It is impossible to conduct a study this large without this being noticed.
It is impossible that every single participant of such a study could
have achieved permanent weight loss as you claim. It is against all
reason to assume that not a single person discontinued the "approach".

A press release?



Yes.


A larger study?



Yes.


*****.



The manner of your refutation just decreased your credibility to zero,
dear Jeff.


There was no such study.



In truth there is. Your denying it is not going to make it disappear.


The
number comes from the Bible.



You will have to make up your mind about whether you believe in chance
(ie coincidence) or in GOD. You can not have it both ways.


Mr. Chung claims this large number.



This large number is the truth.


With such a
huge number of people, one would explect there to be some peer-review



There has been. This is a collaborative effort involving many other
physicians since the 2PD-OMER Approach is not to be undertaken without
such supervision especially when there are medications involved as is
often the case.


or a
grant.



The 2PD-OMER Approach is free, the participants are unpaid volunteers,
the communications have been via email, the time provided by the
LORD... the costs have been negligible.

If you really had conducted such a study, you would know that the costs
of such a study are hardly negligible. A study involves more than just
publishing a diet or "approach" on the web and collecting emails from
people who claim to have lost weight by this "approach".
Thorsten
.


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