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User: "Tax Man"
Date: 02 Jan 2006 12:45:47 PM
Object: Re: The Symbiotic Universe: Evidence of design or evolutionary blind chance.
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:29:56 -0500, FalconClawRed
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:

George Greenstein acknowledges all this intelligence involved in
the earth's structure. In his book The Symbiotic Universe, he speaks
of the mysterious and incredible series of coincidences that are
beyond explaining, coincidences without which life on earth would be
impossible. The following statements, appearing throughout pages 21-8,
reflect his agonizing over conditions that bespeak the need for an
intelligent and purposeful God:

"I believe that we are faced with a mystery—a great and profound
mystery, and one of immense significance: the mystery of the
habitability of the cosmos, of the fitness of the environment." He
sets out "to detail what can only seem to be an astonishing sequence
of stupendous and unlikely accidents that paved the way for life's
emergence. There is a list of coincidences, all of them essential to
our existence." Yet "the list kept getting longer . . . So many
coincidences! The more I read, the more I became convinced that such
'coincidences' could hardly have happened by chance." A shattering
fact for an evolutionist to face up to, as he next acknowledges:

"But as this conviction grew, something else grew as well. Even now it
is difficult to express this 'something' in words. It was an intense
revulsion, and at times it was almost physical in nature. I would
positively squirm with discomfort. The very thought that the fitness
of the cosmos for life might be a mystery requiring solution struck me
as ludicrous, absurd. I found it difficult to entertain the notion
without grimacing in disgust . . . Nor has this reaction faded over
the years: I have had to struggle against it incessantly during the
writing of this book. I am sure that the same reaction is at work
within every other scientist, and that it is this which accounts for
the widespread indifference accorded the idea at present. And more
than that: I now believe that what appears as indifference in fact
masks an intense antagonism."

What antagonism? Antagonism to the thought that the explanation might
lie in a purposeful Creator. As Greenstein expresses it: "As we survey
all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some
supernatural agency—or, rather, Agency—must be involved. Is it
possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon
scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who
stepped in and so providentially drafted the cosmos for our benefit?"
But Greenstein recovers from such heretical thinking and reasserts his
orthodoxy to the evolutionary religion, reciting one of their creedal
dogmas: "God is not an explanation."

.

User: "Hagar"

Title: Re: The Symbiotic Universe: Evidence of design or evolutionary blind chance. 02 Jan 2006 01:26:13 PM

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:29:56 -0500, FalconClawRed
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:

George Greenstein acknowledges all this intelligence involved in
the earth's structure. In his book The Symbiotic Universe, he speaks
of the mysterious and incredible series of coincidences that are
beyond explaining, coincidences without which life on earth would be
impossible. The following statements, appearing throughout pages 21-8,
reflect his agonizing over conditions that bespeak the need for an
intelligent and purposeful God:

"I believe that we are faced with a mystery-a great and profound
mystery, and one of immense significance: the mystery of the
habitability of the cosmos, of the fitness of the environment." He
sets out "to detail what can only seem to be an astonishing sequence
of stupendous and unlikely accidents that paved the way for life's
emergence. There is a list of coincidences, all of them essential to
our existence." Yet "the list kept getting longer . . . So many
coincidences! The more I read, the more I became convinced that such
'coincidences' could hardly have happened by chance." A shattering
fact for an evolutionist to face up to, as he next acknowledges:

"But as this conviction grew, something else grew as well. Even now it
is difficult to express this 'something' in words. It was an intense
revulsion, and at times it was almost physical in nature. I would
positively squirm with discomfort. The very thought that the fitness
of the cosmos for life might be a mystery requiring solution struck me
as ludicrous, absurd. I found it difficult to entertain the notion
without grimacing in disgust . . . Nor has this reaction faded over
the years: I have had to struggle against it incessantly during the
writing of this book. I am sure that the same reaction is at work
within every other scientist, and that it is this which accounts for
the widespread indifference accorded the idea at present. And more
than that: I now believe that what appears as indifference in fact
masks an intense antagonism."

What antagonism? Antagonism to the thought that the explanation might
lie in a purposeful Creator. As Greenstein expresses it: "As we survey
all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some
supernatural agency-or, rather, Agency-must be involved. Is it
possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon
scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who
stepped in and so providentially drafted the cosmos for our benefit?"
But Greenstein recovers from such heretical thinking and reasserts his
orthodoxy to the evolutionary religion, reciting one of their creedal
dogmas: "God is not an explanation."

It does not cease to amaze me that the same people, who cite billion-to-one
odds against life arising spontaneously under the right conditions, have
absolutely no problem accepting that "Gawd" arose from nothingness, in a yet
empty Cosmos.
.
User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?QXLlY2jx1WWk?="

Title: Re: The Symbiotic Universe: Evidence of design or evolutionary blind chance. 02 Jan 2006 03:22:02 PM
"Hagar" <hagen@sahm.name> wrote in message
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:29:56 -0500, FalconClawRed aka JABRIOL
<Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:

George Greenstein acknowledges all this intelligence involved in
the earth's structure.............

===

It does not cease to amaze me that the same people, who cite
billion-to-one
odds against life arising spontaneously under the right conditions, have
absolutely no problem accepting that "Gawd" arose from nothingness, in a
yet
empty Cosmos.

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And what's the odds of THAT happening? But they'll tell you their god
always was and always will be. To them it THAT makes more sense.........
but then it's said that ignorance is bliss.
--
AR........
http://silentlambs.org
www.freeminds.org
http://dbhome.dk/carlo/ secret Elder's Manual
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
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