Well, do not expect to be justified in killing children because you
can quote some state codes.
Robert B. Winn

The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> wrote in message news:<q6s7f1-a3r.ln1@lexi2.athghost7038suus.net>...

In talk.abortion, Robert B. Winn
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<7a4u10d41ml5fsc8m0nii9mfqdcs9tm647@Pern.rk>...

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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<ak8p105cf35jkivrv466b2gbdh09nd2rmi@Pern.rk>...

Better you first find the law it violates. After you find that
there's no such law you can save both yourself and your lawyer the
time and effort of a fruitless consult.

It violates this law: Love thy neighbor as thyself.

That's not a law, and you know it. You're not being a smart-*****,
Winn, you're being a dumb-*****.

Sorry, that is a law.

Then quote the section of state law it's found in, and name the state.

Biblical Law, State of Confusion.

Laws in the United States are pro-abortion. This is a pro-abortion
country in which this law is prohibited by the pro-abortion
government.
Robert B. winn

A hint: shift the brain into *forward* gear. At least that way you
can see yourself falling off the metaphorical precipice. :-P

As it is, I'll reference a law which is currently
non-existent: Texas Penal Code, Title 15, Chapter 9,
Articles 1191-1194, and Article 1196.

"Article 1191. Abortion

"If any person shall designedly administer
to a pregnant woman or knowingly procure to be
administered with her consent any drug or medicine,
or shall use towards her any violence or means
whatever externally or internally applied, and
thereby procure an abortion, he shall be confined
in the penitentiary not less than two nor more
than five years; if it be done without her consent,
the punishment shall be doubled. By `abortion' is
meant that the life of the fetus or embryo shall be
destroyed in the woman's womb or that a premature
birth thereof be caused.

"Art. 1192. Furnishing the means

"Whoever furnishes the means for procuring an
abortion knowing the purpose intended is guilty as
an accomplice.

"Art. 1193. Attempt at abortion

"If the means used shall fail to produce an abortion,
the offender is nevertheless guilty of an attempt to
produce abortion, provided [410 U.S. 113, 118] it
be shown that such means were calculated to produce
that result, and shall be fined not less than one
hundred nor more than one thousand dollars.

"Art. 1194. Murder in producing abortion

"If the death of the mother is occasioned by an
abortion so produced or by an attempt to effect the
same it is murder."

"Art. 1196. By medical advice

"Nothing in this chapter applies to an abortion
procured or attempted by medical advice for the
purpose of saving the life of the mother."

This particular set of articles was struck down by none other
than Roe vs. Wade, otherwise known as 410 US. 113, in 1973-01-22.

(http://laws.findlaw.com/us/410/113.html)

But they were in the lawbooks prior thereto.

Are these laws "pro-abortion"?

Note that Texas laws have since been apparently heavily rewritten;
there is no longer a Title 15. A current copy of the laws
is at http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/petoc.html .
This is probably as official as it gets on the Web but presumably
one can also go to a good law library, if one lives in the
Lone Star State, for past copies.

Murder is currently defined in Title 5, Chapter 19, section 19.02.
The definition is of some complexity as it contains a number of
clauses. It uses the term "individual", which is defined in
Title 1, Chapter 1, Section 1.07, paragraph (a), subparagraph (26).

(26) "Individual" means a human being who has been born and is alive.

The terms "human", "being", "born", and "alive" are not defined here.
They probably aren't in much need thereof.

Section 1.06 simply states:

A person attains a specified age on the day of the anniversary of
his birthdate.

which means that foetii, were they recognized as entities at all,
might have to be referred to with somewhat cumbersome
constructs: e.g., "25 weeks prior to expected date of birth" for
a foetus approaching the end of its first trimester.

Title 6 ("Offenses against the family") is interesting but primarily
concerns itself with such things as bigamy, prohibited sexual
conduct, offenses regarding child custody or runaway children,
deadbeat dads (or moms), and such.

Mutual masturbation is not covered therein, so it is possible to love
thy neighbor as thyself. This is admittedly a rather odd reading
of Section 25.02 (Chapter 25).

Well, do not expect to be justified in killing children because you
can quote some state codes.
Robert B. Winn