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Date: 04 Dec 2007 09:36:59 PM
Object: Re: There's far more to Islam than a teddy - http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2220483,00.html
Yaako Warrior, slayer of shitskin moslems wrote:

There's far more to Islam than a teddy -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2220483,00.html


Twenty out of 23 children chose to name their class teddy bear Muhammad.
A rather sweet gesture, I think. But no. In ultra-sensitive Sudan,
parents and a staff member decided to complain against what they saw as
a white, female, infidel British teacher insulting their religion. What
was an innocent classroom gesture was, yet again, hijacked by Muslim
extremists to threats of floggings and demands of shooting after Friday
prayers in Khartoum last week.

Last year, it was the Danish cartoons. This year it is a teddy bear.
What next? And why this repeated madness? For me, it is not about the
possible offence taken at perceived negative portrayals of Islamic
symbols, but the repeated calls for death, lashings and stoning. The
medieval, literalist mindset that fails to comprehend the inhumane
nature of these brutal and barbaric acts, often carried out against the
defenceless, is the crux of the matter.

The Western media are right to hold a mirror to educated Muslims by
highlighting these outdated practices. Only a week ago, a young Saudi
gang rape victim, rather than being counselled and loved, was sentenced
to 200 lashes. If the young lady had been a wealthy Saudi with powerful
connections, she would have escaped her punishment. Similarly, if
Gillian Gibson had not been British, there would not have been an
outcry. When Muslims want to appear sanctimonious about newspaper
cartoons or a teddy bear, I ask where are the mass protests against the
Saudi Wahhabite destruction of the birthplace of Muhammad in Mecca? Or
systematic annihilation of Muslim heritage in Medina? Or the organised
desecration of the Prophet's family's tombs across Saudi Arabia? We
should not be hypocritical in our choice of protest. Mainstream Muslims
cannot remain silent as our faith is destroyed by extremists from
within, and mocked by agenda-driven, habitual Islam-haters from without.
We must have the courage to stand and reclaim our faith.

I write this from a conference in Madrid, a city, like my home, London,
that has suffered immensely from the Islamist-jihadist rage. The
ubiquitous question here has been: where is the voice of the Muslim
majority? Part of the answer is that it is buried in fear of extremist
reprisals and concern at breaking ranks with fellow Muslims only to be
attacked by fundamentalist atheists for not going far enough.

Last week, I faced former Dutch MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who levelled exactly
that criticism at me. How could I possibly believe? Another renowned
British liberal called Islam 'gobbledegook'. Tomorrow, I meet Martin
Amis, who has found Islam a convenient whipping boy for all things
religious. The contempt for Christianity is just as ferocious. Despite
being caught in crossfire between two extremes, I believe in a Muslim
tradition, a spiritual path, that can bring harmony between Islam and
the West and thereby rescue millions from misery, rigidity and oppression.

If anything, the modern West stems from a Judaeo-Christian-Islamic
heritage. More than ever, Western Muslims need to stop viewing the world
through bipolarised lenses and assert our Western belonging.

The Spanish Muslim jurist, Imam Shatibi, who died in 1388, articulated
the aims of the shariah as preservation of life, honour, property,
religion and reason. Leading Muslim scholars in the Arab world today
compound this classical Islamic approach. That's not to hide the reality
of religious scripture, compiled in a world radically different from
ours. Just as in Leviticus we find references to stoning sinners, in
Muslim scripture there are some unpalatable references. But these are to
be seen in the context of their time. What remain valid are the eternal
truths that Shatibi, Locke and others enunciated. Our humanity must
transcend adherence to scriptural literalism, especially if it leads to
mayhem and loss of innocent lives. The whole purpose of religion is to
bring order and harmony to our existence.

Islam is not a monolithic entity. Inherent within Muslim tradition is a
plurality of thought, practice and reasoning that can help create a
genuine Muslim renaissance or tajdid in Arabic. Just as scriptural
references to stoning and flogging are cited by countries such as Saudi
Arabia as justification for their horrid practices, in these same texts,
we find that the Prophet Muhammad reprimanded his followers for stoning
a person who attempted to flee. He also condemned those who killed
innocent people. By drawing on these lessons, mainstream Muslims must
illustrate that compassion, humanity and sense should override
scriptural rigidity understood with anger and revenge.

More than any other Muslim community across the world, those of us who
were born, raised and educated in the west have access to both cultures:
Islam and the west. It is my generation that can bridge the gap between
what seem like warring parties. Our arguments carry greater weight in
the Muslim East. Western Muslims have a duty to continue developing what
is a nascent phenomenon: Western Islam. We have no choice but to find
common ground between our faith and our culture, Islam and the West, and
then offer an alternative path to our brethren in the Muslim East.

The presence of millions of Muslims in the West is an asset with which
we can bring civilisational harmony. But Western Muslims must, in the
words of Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks, 'build our home together' with
fellow citizens of all and no faith. It is our common bond, being human,
which comes first. Our future must be a negotiated one. The Koran
repeatedly calls us to think, contemplate and reflect. For how much
longer will we be the laughing stock of the world? And all over a teddy
bear.

· Ed Husain is author of The Islamist


moslem cartoon character mohammad was a child molesting goat fucker


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ***** mohammad !!

HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MUSLEM - this is how: ***** goats, molest
children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or bath,
beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, wipe your
***** with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby village, marry a
nine year-old , send your child off to an indoctrination camp, practice
thighing with little kids, ............ Practice all those and you too
could become a prophet !!
Contact me on

.

User: "Roy Roger"

Title: Re: There's far more to Islam than a teddy - http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2220483,00.html 04 Dec 2007 10:16:22 PM
You are the slayer of the true God, Jesus you sinning ***** Jew. Come to
Jesus before he avenge his wrath on your pimping Jewish soul. Deviate from
that gutter religion known as Judaism.
Roy Roger
""‹(•¿•)› Shoot shitskin moslems in the face ""
<muzzie.killer.@pisslam.shiit.orgy> wrote in message
news:fj2i14$hgh$1@news.yaako.com...

Yaako Warrior, slayer of shitskin moslems wrote:

There's far more to Islam than a teddy -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2220483,00.html


Twenty out of 23 children chose to name their class teddy bear Muhammad.
A rather sweet gesture, I think. But no. In ultra-sensitive Sudan,
parents and a staff member decided to complain against what they saw as a
white, female, infidel British teacher insulting their religion. What was
an innocent classroom gesture was, yet again, hijacked by Muslim
extremists to threats of floggings and demands of shooting after Friday
prayers in Khartoum last week.

Last year, it was the Danish cartoons. This year it is a teddy bear. What
next? And why this repeated madness? For me, it is not about the possible
offence taken at perceived negative portrayals of Islamic symbols, but
the repeated calls for death, lashings and stoning. The medieval,
literalist mindset that fails to comprehend the inhumane nature of these
brutal and barbaric acts, often carried out against the defenceless, is
the crux of the matter.

The Western media are right to hold a mirror to educated Muslims by
highlighting these outdated practices. Only a week ago, a young Saudi
gang rape victim, rather than being counselled and loved, was sentenced
to 200 lashes. If the young lady had been a wealthy Saudi with powerful
connections, she would have escaped her punishment. Similarly, if Gillian
Gibson had not been British, there would not have been an outcry. When
Muslims want to appear sanctimonious about newspaper cartoons or a teddy
bear, I ask where are the mass protests against the Saudi Wahhabite
destruction of the birthplace of Muhammad in Mecca? Or systematic
annihilation of Muslim heritage in Medina? Or the organised desecration
of the Prophet's family's tombs across Saudi Arabia? We should not be
hypocritical in our choice of protest. Mainstream Muslims cannot remain
silent as our faith is destroyed by extremists from within, and mocked by
agenda-driven, habitual Islam-haters from without. We must have the
courage to stand and reclaim our faith.

I write this from a conference in Madrid, a city, like my home, London,
that has suffered immensely from the Islamist-jihadist rage. The
ubiquitous question here has been: where is the voice of the Muslim
majority? Part of the answer is that it is buried in fear of extremist
reprisals and concern at breaking ranks with fellow Muslims only to be
attacked by fundamentalist atheists for not going far enough.

Last week, I faced former Dutch MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who levelled exactly
that criticism at me. How could I possibly believe? Another renowned
British liberal called Islam 'gobbledegook'. Tomorrow, I meet Martin
Amis, who has found Islam a convenient whipping boy for all things
religious. The contempt for Christianity is just as ferocious. Despite
being caught in crossfire between two extremes, I believe in a Muslim
tradition, a spiritual path, that can bring harmony between Islam and the
West and thereby rescue millions from misery, rigidity and oppression.

If anything, the modern West stems from a Judaeo-Christian-Islamic
heritage. More than ever, Western Muslims need to stop viewing the world
through bipolarised lenses and assert our Western belonging.

The Spanish Muslim jurist, Imam Shatibi, who died in 1388, articulated
the aims of the shariah as preservation of life, honour, property,
religion and reason. Leading Muslim scholars in the Arab world today
compound this classical Islamic approach. That's not to hide the reality
of religious scripture, compiled in a world radically different from
ours. Just as in Leviticus we find references to stoning sinners, in
Muslim scripture there are some unpalatable references. But these are to
be seen in the context of their time. What remain valid are the eternal
truths that Shatibi, Locke and others enunciated. Our humanity must
transcend adherence to scriptural literalism, especially if it leads to
mayhem and loss of innocent lives. The whole purpose of religion is to
bring order and harmony to our existence.

Islam is not a monolithic entity. Inherent within Muslim tradition is a
plurality of thought, practice and reasoning that can help create a
genuine Muslim renaissance or tajdid in Arabic. Just as scriptural
references to stoning and flogging are cited by countries such as Saudi
Arabia as justification for their horrid practices, in these same texts,
we find that the Prophet Muhammad reprimanded his followers for stoning a
person who attempted to flee. He also condemned those who killed innocent
people. By drawing on these lessons, mainstream Muslims must illustrate
that compassion, humanity and sense should override scriptural rigidity
understood with anger and revenge.

More than any other Muslim community across the world, those of us who
were born, raised and educated in the west have access to both cultures:
Islam and the west. It is my generation that can bridge the gap between
what seem like warring parties. Our arguments carry greater weight in the
Muslim East. Western Muslims have a duty to continue developing what is a
nascent phenomenon: Western Islam. We have no choice but to find common
ground between our faith and our culture, Islam and the West, and then
offer an alternative path to our brethren in the Muslim East.

The presence of millions of Muslims in the West is an asset with which we
can bring civilisational harmony. But Western Muslims must, in the words
of Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks, 'build our home together' with fellow
citizens of all and no faith. It is our common bond, being human, which
comes first. Our future must be a negotiated one. The Koran repeatedly
calls us to think, contemplate and reflect. For how much longer will we
be the laughing stock of the world? And all over a teddy bear.

· Ed Husain is author of The Islamist


moslem cartoon character mohammad was a child molesting goat fucker


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ***** mohammad !!

HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MUSLEM - this is how: ***** goats, molest
children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or bath,
beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, wipe your *****
with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby village, marry a nine
year-old , send your child off to an indoctrination camp, practice
thighing with little kids, ............ Practice all those and you too
could become a prophet !!


Contact me on


.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: There's far more to Islam than a teddy - 05 Dec 2007 09:44:22 AM
On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:16:22 +0000, Roy Roger wrote:

You are the slayer of the true God, Jesus you sinning ***** Jew. Come
to

Ya know, if the Jews can kill *god*, maybe you shouldn't ***** them off...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Just because it's inexplicted doesn't mean it's inexplicable."
- Dr. House
.

User: "Free Lunch"

Title: Re: There's far more to Islam than a teddy - http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2220483,00.html 04 Dec 2007 10:19:19 PM
On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:16:22 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Roy Roger" <rroger@yahoo.com> wrote in <qCp5j.2758$md.578@trnddc06>:

You are the slayer of the true God, Jesus you sinning ***** Jew. Come to
Jesus before he avenge his wrath on your pimping Jewish soul. Deviate from
that gutter religion known as Judaism.
Roy Roger

Once again, a supposed Christian cannot get the story right, even though
it's right in the Gospels. Jesus was a Jew. Romans executed him. You are
a fool.
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: There's far more to Islam than a teddy - 05 Dec 2007 09:45:14 AM
On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:19:19 -0600, Free Lunch wrote:

On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:16:22 GMT, in alt.atheism "Roy Roger"
<rroger@yahoo.com> wrote in <qCp5j.2758$md.578@trnddc06>:

You are the slayer of the true God, Jesus you sinning ***** Jew. Come
to Jesus before he avenge his wrath on your pimping Jewish soul. Deviate
from that gutter religion known as Judaism. Roy Roger


Once again, a supposed Christian cannot get the story right, even though
it's right in the Gospels. Jesus was a Jew. Romans executed him. You are
a fool.

I'm still amused at the idea that he believes the Jewish people can kill
*GOD* and he's not cowering in fear of them...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Just because it's inexplicted doesn't mean it's inexplicable."
- Dr. House
.

User: "Roy Roger"

Title: Re: There's far more to Islam than a teddy - http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2220483,00.html 04 Dec 2007 10:25:12 PM
The true slayer of Jesus were the Jews. One does not have to act to commit
murder and mayhem. There was fomenting of violence and conspiratorial act by
no other than the murdering Jews.
Roy Roger
"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:uk9cl3t9ikkemfd86j9777v1nv7gaa90v6@4ax.com...

On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:16:22 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Roy Roger" <rroger@yahoo.com> wrote in <qCp5j.2758$md.578@trnddc06>:

You are the slayer of the true God, Jesus you sinning ***** Jew. Come to
Jesus before he avenge his wrath on your pimping Jewish soul. Deviate from
that gutter religion known as Judaism.
Roy Roger


Once again, a supposed Christian cannot get the story right, even though
it's right in the Gospels. Jesus was a Jew. Romans executed him. You are
a fool.

.
User: "Free Lunch"

Title: Re: There's far more to Islam than a teddy - http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2220483,00.html 04 Dec 2007 10:33:53 PM
On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:25:12 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Roy Roger" <rroger@yahoo.com> wrote in <IKp5j.2762$md.681@trnddc06>:

The true slayer of Jesus were the Jews. One does not have to act to commit
murder and mayhem. There was fomenting of violence and conspiratorial act by
no other than the murdering Jews.
Roy Roger

You know you are lying. You know you are misrepresenting the Gospels.
You know that the story makes it absolutely clear that Jesus was Jewish.
Your anti-semitism makes it clear that you have no use for Jesus.
.
User: "Roy Roger"

Title: Re: There's far more to Islam than a teddy - http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2220483,00.html 04 Dec 2007 10:52:30 PM
How a Semite can be anti Semite, this is an excuse to escape your crimes
your blasphemous Jews. Visit my website and read my research on everything
you blasphemous Jews consist of. Liars, thieves, murdering cowards. Plain
and simple.
Roy Roger
www.realjewnews.com
"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:tfacl3lrnmm3rai7282gukqlgr7obv964u@4ax.com...

On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:25:12 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Roy Roger" <rroger@yahoo.com> wrote in <IKp5j.2762$md.681@trnddc06>:

The true slayer of Jesus were the Jews. One does not have to act to commit
murder and mayhem. There was fomenting of violence and conspiratorial act
by
no other than the murdering Jews.
Roy Roger


You know you are lying. You know you are misrepresenting the Gospels.
You know that the story makes it absolutely clear that Jesus was Jewish.
Your anti-semitism makes it clear that you have no use for Jesus.

.
User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: There's far more to Islam than a teddy - http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2220483,00.html 05 Dec 2007 03:54:45 AM
"Roy Roger" <rroger@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:i8q5j.2316$UG1.1222@trnddc01...

How a Semite can be anti Semite, this is an excuse to escape your crimes
your blasphemous Jews. Visit my website and read my research on everything
you blasphemous Jews consist of. Liars, thieves, murdering cowards. Plain
and simple.
Roy Roger
www.realjewnews.com


"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:tfacl3lrnmm3rai7282gukqlgr7obv964u@4ax.com...

On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:25:12 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Roy Roger" <rroger@yahoo.com> wrote in <IKp5j.2762$md.681@trnddc06>:

The true slayer of Jesus were the Jews. One does not have to act to
commit
murder and mayhem. There was fomenting of violence and conspiratorial act
by
no other than the murdering Jews.
Roy Roger

This guy is definitely on a short trigger.


You know you are lying. You know you are misrepresenting the Gospels.
You know that the story makes it absolutely clear that Jesus was Jewish.
Your anti-semitism makes it clear that you have no use for Jesus.


.
User: "Don Ocean"

Title: Re: There's far more to Islam than a teddy - http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2220483,00.html 05 Dec 2007 04:12:55 AM
Michelle Malkin wrote:

"Roy Roger" <rroger@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:i8q5j.2316$UG1.1222@trnddc01...

How a Semite can be anti Semite, this is an excuse to escape your crimes
your blasphemous Jews. Visit my website and read my research on everything
you blasphemous Jews consist of. Liars, thieves, murdering cowards. Plain
and simple.
Roy Roger
www.realjewnews.com


"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:tfacl3lrnmm3rai7282gukqlgr7obv964u@4ax.com...

On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:25:12 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Roy Roger" <rroger@yahoo.com> wrote in <IKp5j.2762$md.681@trnddc06>:

The true slayer of Jesus were the Jews. One does not have to act to
commit
murder and mayhem. There was fomenting of violence and conspiratorial act
by
no other than the murdering Jews.
Roy Roger


This guy is definitely on a short trigger.

He smoked a Jewish horse out out! You! ;-p

You know you are lying. You know you are misrepresenting the Gospels.
You know that the story makes it absolutely clear that Jesus was Jewish.
Your anti-semitism makes it clear that you have no use for Jesus.



.







User: ""

Title: you're 04 Dec 2007 12:41:25 PM
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