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"alen" |
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23 Nov 2005 08:50:28 AM |
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Re: To Believe In Jesus |
Bill wrote:
"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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One must believe
that Jesus is LORD (not some lesser lord)
for salvation.
The Son is God, one with the Father.
Eternal life comes by believing in Jesus;
and to believe in Jesus is to believe
that Jesus is God and our eternal life
And your objective verifiable material evidence for these claims is???
Your 'question' is out of place, as usual, atheist. Take yourself
and your 'question' back to a scientific laboratory, where you
belong, and bolt the door, and throw the key out the window.
Alen
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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30 Nov 2005 09:36:43 PM |
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On 30 Nov 2005 17:32:56 -0800, "EagleEye"
<jnewton@globalmanagement.ca> wrote:
As soon as you can show that your religious faith isn't just a bunch of
stuff that was made up over time, I'm sure they'll show it the respect
it deserves.
It's been shown but there is simply no understanding. The atheists are
clueless and are unwilling to embark upon any sort of penetrating
investigation or insight absent exteme contempt prior TO investigation,
which is simply a recipe for everlasting ignorance.
Another outright, bald-faced, fraudulent LIE.
I've read and studied your bible in Hebrew, Greek, even parts of it in
Aramaic, various English translations, modern and new, countless
times, in the last 40 years.
I've studied the works of Augustine and Aquinas, and other Christian
apologetics, including the great scholastic thinkers.
I know of few christians who have even come close to this level of
"penetrating" investigation.
You have demonstrated an appaling lack of understanding and insight
into these very matters.
I suppose its too much to ask that you get your facts straight before
opening your mouth again?
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| User: "EagleEye" |
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30 Nov 2005 10:11:22 PM |
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Michael Gray,
So you are saying that it is not meaningful, after all this supposed
investigation of yours? That it is not of profound, even almost of
infinite importance? I'm sure you've read C.S. Lewis also, who's
madman, liar, devil or honest man argument is pretty clear. There are
enough sayings of Jesus, including those contained in the Gnostic
Gospel of Thomas, to show that Jesus the man, left no room to call him
simply an enlightened man, or a moral man, because given what he said,
and claimed about himself and his ministry show that if he was not
being honest, he was none of these, and if deluded or insane lacked
character and integrity - yet any deep and penentrating insightful
research into him, his character, and his words, show that this cannot
be the case, given what came out of his mouth. He must also be examined
in light of the historical frame of reference within which he lives and
moved, and taught, and died for. It is either meaningless and of no
importance or significance, or it is meaningFUL and of the utmost
importance and significance.
What say you?
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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30 Nov 2005 11:26:38 PM |
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On 30 Nov 2005 20:11:22 -0800, "EagleEye"
<jnewton@globalmanagement.ca> wrote:
Michael Gray,
So you are saying that it is not meaningful, after all this supposed
investigation of yours? That it is not of profound, even almost of
infinite importance? I'm sure you've read C.S. Lewis also, who's
madman, liar, devil or honest man argument is pretty clear. There are
enough sayings of Jesus, including those contained in the Gnostic
Gospel of Thomas, to show that Jesus the man, left no room to call him
simply an enlightened man, or a moral man, because given what he said,
and claimed about himself and his ministry show that if he was not
being honest, he was none of these, and if deluded or insane lacked
character and integrity - yet any deep and penentrating insightful
research into him, his character, and his words, show that this cannot
be the case, given what came out of his mouth. He must also be examined
in light of the historical frame of reference within which he lives and
moved, and taught, and died for. It is either meaningless and of no
importance or significance, or it is meaningFUL and of the utmost
importance and significance.
What say you?
I say: read what you wrote, and address THAT, rather than snip it and
try to distract me from the CLEAR FACT THAT YOU LIED.
"The atheists are clueless and are unwilling to embark upon any sort
of penetrating investigation or insight absent exteme contempt prior
TO investigation, which is simply a recipe for everlasting ignorance."
This is an outright lie.
For what purpose, I can only guess.
Until you restract and apololgise, I'm really don't feel like sharing
my thoughts with you, on this or any other topic.
And attitude which any reasonable individual would concur with.
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| User: "thomas p" |
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27 Nov 2005 08:44:27 AM |
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On 26 Nov 2005 22:51:11 -0800, "alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> wrote:
<Yournamehere>'s personal Cthulhu wrote:
"alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> 'im whine an' grine:
<Yournamehere>'s personal Cthulhu wrote:
"alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> suddenly spluttered:
Bill wrote:
"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:uQxgf.4055$wf.2876@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
One must believe
that Jesus is LORD (not some lesser lord)
for salvation.
The Son is God, one with the Father.
Eternal life comes by believing in Jesus;
and to believe in Jesus is to believe
that Jesus is God and our eternal life
And your objective verifiable material evidence for these claims is???
Your 'question' is out of place, as usual, atheist. Take yourself
and your 'question' back to a scientific laboratory, where you
belong, and bolt the door, and throw the key out the window.
Alen
Why is it out of place? Because your beliefs cannot stand up to any
kind of honest scrutiny, or because you don't give a flying ***** what
the truth is?
Is that what you call it? I see no sign of honest scrutiny,
only atheistic prejudice, which allows all sorts of people to
have all sorts of views, beliefs, etc. about many things in
life, but never believers in a God. They alone must always
be chained by 'tangible evidence'. Such is the 'honest
scrutiny' of atheists.
Alen
You made an assertion (see the deepest nested bit of this thread) of
fact. It warrants rational justification, otherwise you simply aren't
being honest. Now, stop whining and answer the question: On what
evidence is your belief based? Don't waste peoples time whining about
what anybody else said or did, here is your opportunity to justify
your beliefs:
You like to prescribe rules for how other people express
their views, do you? Would you like to write my posts for
me, to ensure that they will say what you want to hear?
Do you need lessons in freedom of expression?
Is anyone forcing you to do anything? You were asked a reasonable
question (evidence). If you did not consider evidence important to
you, you could have just said so; there was no reason to accuse people
of imaginary crimes. Nobody can force you to not react the way you
have, but, on the other hand, you cannot really be surprised that you
have annoyed them; after all that was your intention, right?
When I am expressing my views, it is I who decide what
warrants justification, what questions to answer or not answer,
and what evidence or arguments are appropriate.
No doubt that is all true, and, on the other side, it is perfectly
legitimate to ask for evidence when somebody makes a claim. Asking
for evidence is not telling somebody what to think. It is not forcing
anybody to do anything.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Liz" |
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24 Nov 2005 08:22:31 AM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 05:41:50 -0800, "alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> in news
message <1132839710.473301.240400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> wrote:
<Yournamehere>'s personal Cthulhu wrote:
"alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> suddenly spluttered:
Bill wrote:
"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:uQxgf.4055$wf.2876@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
One must believe
that Jesus is LORD (not some lesser lord)
for salvation.
The Son is God, one with the Father.
Eternal life comes by believing in Jesus;
and to believe in Jesus is to believe
that Jesus is God and our eternal life
And your objective verifiable material evidence for these claims is???
Your 'question' is out of place, as usual, atheist. Take yourself
and your 'question' back to a scientific laboratory, where you
belong, and bolt the door, and throw the key out the window.
Alen
Why is it out of place? Because your beliefs cannot stand up to any
kind of honest scrutiny, or because you don't give a flying ***** what
the truth is?
Is that what you call it? I see no sign of honest scrutiny,
only atheistic prejudice, which allows all sorts of people to
have all sorts of views, beliefs, etc. about many things in
life, but never believers in a God. They alone must always
be chained by 'tangible evidence'. Such is the 'honest
scrutiny' of atheists.
Of course not, Alen. You can believe anything you want. Evidence be
damned! There is no reason why the physical universe should intrude
upon your beliefs.
Liz #658 BAAWA
Many...freely confess that they believe what it makes them
feel good to believe. Evidence doesn't play much of a role.
They are alleviating their fear of randomness by identifying
regularities that are not there. - Murray Gell-Mann
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| User: "thomas p" |
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24 Nov 2005 08:53:33 AM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 05:41:50 -0800, "alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> wrote:
<Yournamehere>'s personal Cthulhu wrote:
"alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> suddenly spluttered:
Bill wrote:
"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:uQxgf.4055$wf.2876@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
One must believe
that Jesus is LORD (not some lesser lord)
for salvation.
The Son is God, one with the Father.
Eternal life comes by believing in Jesus;
and to believe in Jesus is to believe
that Jesus is God and our eternal life
And your objective verifiable material evidence for these claims is???
Your 'question' is out of place, as usual, atheist. Take yourself
and your 'question' back to a scientific laboratory, where you
belong, and bolt the door, and throw the key out the window.
Alen
Why is it out of place? Because your beliefs cannot stand up to any
kind of honest scrutiny, or because you don't give a flying ***** what
the truth is?
Is that what you call it? I see no sign of honest scrutiny,
only atheistic prejudice, which allows all sorts of people to
have all sorts of views, beliefs, etc. about many things in
life, but never believers in a God. They alone must always
be chained by 'tangible evidence'. Such is the 'honest
scrutiny' of atheists.
Who said that you were not allowed to believe in your god, or is that
another claim that is not to be questioned?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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24 Nov 2005 08:45:50 AM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 05:41:50 -0800, "alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> wrote:
Why is it out of place? Because your beliefs cannot stand up to any
kind of honest scrutiny, or because you don't give a flying ***** what
the truth is?
Is that what you call it? I see no sign of honest scrutiny,
only atheistic prejudice, which allows all sorts of people to
have all sorts of views, beliefs, etc. about many things in
life, but never believers in a God. They alone must always
be chained by 'tangible evidence'. Such is the 'honest
scrutiny' of atheists.
And all I see is standard bigoted slander from a theist who is
incapable of thinking outside the box that is the virtual realist of
his religion. Why you imagine this justifies lying about atheists to
atheists, I will never understand.
Alen
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| User: "Pastor Steve Winter" |
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24 Nov 2005 11:09:34 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> spake thusly and wrote:
And all I see is standard bigoted slander from a theist who is
incapable of thinking outside the box that is the virtual realist of
his religion. Why you imagine this justifies lying about atheists to
atheists, I will never understand.
Observation: For all their claims of disbelief the self
proclaimed atheists show astounding religious fervor to defend
their belief system, which is often little more than their
proclaiming themselves to be "gods" in their own minds.
Is there one among them who can create even an amoeba?
Some folks around here aren't really being honest with
themselves.
Pastor Winter
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "L.Roberts" |
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24 Nov 2005 12:10:39 PM |
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Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> spake thusly and wrote:
And all I see is standard bigoted slander from a theist who is
incapable of thinking outside the box that is the virtual realist of
his religion. Why you imagine this justifies lying about atheists to
atheists, I will never understand.
Observation: For all their claims of disbelief the self
proclaimed atheists show astounding religious fervor to defend
their belief system, which is often little more than their
proclaiming themselves to be "gods" in their own minds.
Steve, slow and easy now, I am an atheist, I believe____________. (You,
since you claim to know what I believe, fill in the blank.)
L.Roberts.
Is there one among them who can create even an amoeba?
Some folks around here aren't really being honest with
themselves.
Pastor Winter
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "thomas p" |
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24 Nov 2005 02:05:57 PM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 10:10:39 -0800, "L.Roberts" <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> spake thusly and wrote:
And all I see is standard bigoted slander from a theist who is
incapable of thinking outside the box that is the virtual realist of
his religion. Why you imagine this justifies lying about atheists to
atheists, I will never understand.
Observation: For all their claims of disbelief the self
proclaimed atheists show astounding religious fervor to defend
their belief system, which is often little more than their
proclaiming themselves to be "gods" in their own minds.
Steve, slow and easy now, I am an atheist, I believe____________. (You,
since you claim to know what I believe, fill in the blank.)
L.Roberts.
It will be a big surprise if he answers at all.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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24 Nov 2005 12:18:36 PM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 10:10:39 -0800, "L.Roberts" <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> spake thusly and wrote:
And all I see is standard bigoted slander from a theist who is
incapable of thinking outside the box that is the virtual realist of
his religion. Why you imagine this justifies lying about atheists to
atheists, I will never understand.
Observation: For all their claims of disbelief the self
proclaimed atheists show astounding religious fervor to defend
their belief system, which is often little more than their
proclaiming themselves to be "gods" in their own minds.
Is this loony for real?
His is a perfect example of the vicious, religiously motivated
slanders I was describing.
We're atheists - we don't have any god - let alone ourselves as gods,
Correcting the vicious slanders of people like him, is the natural
human reaction to his own nastiness, and hardly "religious fervour" to
"defend" a "belief system" we don't even have.
Does he honestly imagine we would give a flying ***** about what they
believe, if they neither pushed it where it wasn't or needed, nor lied
about as he does above.
Steve, slow and easy now, I am an atheist, I believe____________. (You,
since you claim to know what I believe, fill in the blank.)
Steve? [checks]. Oh, it's Steve Winter - that explains it.
L.Roberts.
Is there one among them who can create even an amoeba?
Some folks around here aren't really being honest with
themselves.
Pastor Winter
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "L.Roberts" |
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24 Nov 2005 07:55:30 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 10:10:39 -0800, "L.Roberts" <ozzcat2003@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> spake thusly and wrote:
And all I see is standard bigoted slander from a theist who is
incapable of thinking outside the box that is the virtual realist of
his religion. Why you imagine this justifies lying about atheists to
atheists, I will never understand.
Observation: For all their claims of disbelief the self
proclaimed atheists show astounding religious fervor to defend
their belief system, which is often little more than their
proclaiming themselves to be "gods" in their own minds.
Is this loony for real?
His is a perfect example of the vicious, religiously motivated
slanders I was describing.
We're atheists - we don't have any god - let alone ourselves as gods,
Correcting the vicious slanders of people like him, is the natural
human reaction to his own nastiness, and hardly "religious fervour" to
"defend" a "belief system" we don't even have.
Does he honestly imagine we would give a flying ***** about what they
believe, if they neither pushed it where it wasn't or needed, nor lied
about as he does above.
Steve, slow and easy now, I am an atheist, I believe____________. (You,
since you claim to know what I believe, fill in the blank.)
Steve? [checks]. Oh, it's Steve Winter - that explains it.
Yes, I need the slow and easy (simple), because, when I was younger,
over a 25 year period, I did a lot of drinking, smoking dope and
dropping acid (now 17 years clean and sober) and my one surviving
braincell, being on life support and all, needs to deal with things in
a slow, simple, methodical, though not, necessarily, sequential,
manner.
L.Roberts.
L.Roberts.
Is there one among them who can create even an amoeba?
Some folks around here aren't really being honest with
themselves.
Pastor Winter
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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24 Nov 2005 09:36:12 AM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 05:41:50 -0800, in alt.atheism
"alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> wrote in
<1132839710.473301.240400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
<Yournamehere>'s personal Cthulhu wrote:
"alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> suddenly spluttered:
Bill wrote:
"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:uQxgf.4055$wf.2876@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
One must believe
that Jesus is LORD (not some lesser lord)
for salvation.
The Son is God, one with the Father.
Eternal life comes by believing in Jesus;
and to believe in Jesus is to believe
that Jesus is God and our eternal life
And your objective verifiable material evidence for these claims is???
Your 'question' is out of place, as usual, atheist. Take yourself
and your 'question' back to a scientific laboratory, where you
belong, and bolt the door, and throw the key out the window.
Alen
Why is it out of place? Because your beliefs cannot stand up to any
kind of honest scrutiny, or because you don't give a flying ***** what
the truth is?
Is that what you call it? I see no sign of honest scrutiny,
only atheistic prejudice, which allows all sorts of people to
have all sorts of views, beliefs, etc. about many things in
life, but never believers in a God. They alone must always
be chained by 'tangible evidence'. Such is the 'honest
scrutiny' of atheists.
Really? Could you point to examples of this supposed double standard?
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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24 Nov 2005 08:20:58 AM |
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do you religious nutcases consider it amazing that you can provide NO
physical proof the "loving, caring, supreme being".
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| User: "Bill" |
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23 Nov 2005 10:26:59 AM |
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"alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> wrote in message
news:1132757428.120855.190570@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Bill wrote:
"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:uQxgf.4055$wf.2876@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
One must believe
that Jesus is LORD (not some lesser lord)
for salvation.
The Son is God, one with the Father.
Eternal life comes by believing in Jesus;
and to believe in Jesus is to believe
that Jesus is God and our eternal life
And your objective verifiable material evidence for these claims is???
Your 'question' is out of place, as usual, atheist. Take yourself
and your 'question' back to a scientific laboratory, where you
belong, and bolt the door, and throw the key out the window.
Alen
I see you feel threatened by facts and reality!
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| User: "alen" |
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24 Nov 2005 08:02:32 AM |
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Bill wrote:
"alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> wrote in message
news:1132757428.120855.190570@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Bill wrote:
"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:uQxgf.4055$wf.2876@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
One must believe
that Jesus is LORD (not some lesser lord)
for salvation.
The Son is God, one with the Father.
Eternal life comes by believing in Jesus;
and to believe in Jesus is to believe
that Jesus is God and our eternal life
And your objective verifiable material evidence for these claims is???
Your 'question' is out of place, as usual, atheist. Take yourself
and your 'question' back to a scientific laboratory, where you
belong, and bolt the door, and throw the key out the window.
Alen
I see you feel threatened by facts and reality!
Well, look who allows himself to 'see' something without
any tangible evidence! The very person who tries to
forbid believers in a God to ever see anything without
tangible evidence.
Alen
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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24 Nov 2005 06:35:50 PM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 06:02:32 -0800, "alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> wrote:
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any tangible evidence! The very person who tries to
forbid believers in a God to ever see anything without
tangible evidence.
Alen
That is an outright and bald-faced LIE.
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| User: "alen" |
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25 Nov 2005 08:45:54 PM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 06:02:32 -0800, "alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> wrote:
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any tangible evidence! The very person who tries to
forbid believers in a God to ever see anything without
tangible evidence.
Alen
That is an outright and bald-faced LIE.
You think so? You aren't very familiar with
Bill's postings then, are you?
Alen
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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25 Nov 2005 08:59:27 PM |
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On 25 Nov 2005 18:45:54 -0800, "alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 06:02:32 -0800, "alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> wrote:
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any tangible evidence! The very person who tries to
forbid believers in a God to ever see anything without
tangible evidence.
Alen
That is an outright and bald-faced LIE.
You think so? You aren't very familiar with
Bill's postings then, are you?
We're familiar with yours - it was another of your outright lies. You
see, you're lying about us, to us. We know what our position is, what
it isn't, what we do and what don't do, etc. We're atheists and we
wouldn't give a flying ***** what you believe if you (a) didn't push
your religion where it is neither wanted nor needed, and (b) didn't
lie about people who neither want it nor need it.
Alen
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| User: "Colin Day" |
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26 Nov 2005 07:07:50 AM |
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alen wrote:
Bill wrote:
"alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> wrote in message
news:1132757428.120855.190570@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Bill wrote:
"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:uQxgf.4055$wf.2876@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
One must believe
that Jesus is LORD (not some lesser lord)
for salvation.
The Son is God, one with the Father.
Eternal life comes by believing in Jesus;
and to believe in Jesus is to believe
that Jesus is God and our eternal life
And your objective verifiable material evidence for these claims is???
Your 'question' is out of place, as usual, atheist. Take yourself
and your 'question' back to a scientific laboratory, where you
belong, and bolt the door, and throw the key out the window.
Alen
I see you feel threatened by facts and reality!
Well, look who allows himself to 'see' something without
any tangible evidence! The very person who tries to
forbid believers in a God to ever see anything without
tangible evidence.
Alen
It has nothing to do with atheists "forbidding" you to see anything
without tangible evidence, it's that seeing can only occur in the
context of tangible evidence.
Colin Day aa #1500
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| Title: Re: To Believe In Jesus |
24 Nov 2005 08:22:34 AM |
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where is the PHYSICAL PROOF that yuor god exists.
if your loving, caring shithole creator exists then tell the dumb jackass to
meet me at my front door, I'll be waiting.
he has 5 minutes to get his fat, lazy, child-killing, mass-murdering *****
down here
c';mon down you almighty supreme jackass
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| User: "Jericho" |
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| Title: Re: To Believe In Jesus |
23 Nov 2005 04:10:16 PM |
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Being that this post showed up in alt.atheism and Bill that directly
relates to verifying the existance of a god, it seems that your
objection to the question is out of place, theist. Take your self and
your objection back to your cathedral where you belong, and bolt the
door and draw the shades, lest some light get in.
Jerricho
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| User: "alen" |
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| Title: Re: To Believe In Jesus |
24 Nov 2005 08:12:15 AM |
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Jericho wrote:
Being that this post showed up in alt.atheism and Bill that directly
relates to verifying the existance of a god, it seems that your
objection to the question is out of place, theist. Take your self and
your objection back to your cathedral where you belong, and bolt the
door and draw the shades, lest some light get in.
Jerricho
It shows up in alt.atheism because atheists like Bill show up in
alt.religion etc. It is Bill who always drags the laboratory into the
cathedral. I don't drag the cathedral into the laboratory.
Alen
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| User: "Liz" |
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| Title: Re: To Believe In Jesus |
24 Nov 2005 08:29:06 AM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 06:12:15 -0800, "alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> in news
message <1132841535.686866.303780@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Jericho wrote:
Being that this post showed up in alt.atheism and Bill that directly
relates to verifying the existance of a god, it seems that your
objection to the question is out of place, theist. Take your self and
your objection back to your cathedral where you belong, and bolt the
door and draw the shades, lest some light get in.
Jerricho
It shows up in alt.atheism because atheists like Bill show up in
alt.religion etc. It is Bill who always drags the laboratory into the
cathedral. I don't drag the cathedral into the laboratory.
There is a simple way to fix that. Examine (I know that is a dirty
word for those who don't think that evidence has any value in what one
believes, but stick with me for a minute here) the headers of your
posts to see where they will go. If the Newsgroups line has
"alt.atheism" included, take that one out. That way, you won't be
dragged where you don't want to go against your will. If you need
help with this just let me know.
Liz #658 BAAWA
I find it absolutely incredible that a creator god and his savior son
would, instead of coming down to earth and handing us their message
personally, choose to communicate with mankind through cheese sandwiches.
- Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: To Believe In Jesus |
24 Nov 2005 06:37:34 PM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 06:12:15 -0800, "alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> wrote:
Jericho wrote:
Being that this post showed up in alt.atheism and Bill that directly
relates to verifying the existance of a god, it seems that your
objection to the question is out of place, theist. Take your self and
your objection back to your cathedral where you belong, and bolt the
door and draw the shades, lest some light get in.
Jerricho
It shows up in alt.atheism because atheists like Bill show up in
alt.religion etc. It is Bill who always drags the laboratory into the
cathedral. I don't drag the cathedral into the laboratory.
Alen
Another outright lie!
I thought your imaginary sky-pixie had strict rules against bearing
false witness?
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| User: "alen" |
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| Title: Re: To Believe In Jesus |
25 Nov 2005 09:06:08 PM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 06:12:15 -0800, "alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> wrote:
Jericho wrote:
Being that this post showed up in alt.atheism and Bill that directly
relates to verifying the existance of a god, it seems that your
objection to the question is out of place, theist. Take your self and
your objection back to your cathedral where you belong, and bolt the
door and draw the shades, lest some light get in.
Jerricho
It shows up in alt.atheism because atheists like Bill show up in
alt.religion etc. It is Bill who always drags the laboratory into the
cathedral. I don't drag the cathedral into the laboratory.
Alen
Another outright lie!
I thought your imaginary sky-pixie had strict rules against bearing
false witness?
You use the term 'imaginary sky-pixie', and then try to
describe other peoples' opinions as 'lies' - talk about
the kettle calling the pot black!
Alen
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: To Believe In Jesus |
25 Nov 2005 01:06:22 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:07:34 +1030, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 06:12:15 -0800, "alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> wrote:
Jericho wrote:
Being that this post showed up in alt.atheism and Bill that directly
relates to verifying the existance of a god, it seems that your
objection to the question is out of place, theist. Take your self and
your objection back to your cathedral where you belong, and bolt the
door and draw the shades, lest some light get in.
Jerricho
It shows up in alt.atheism because atheists like Bill show up in
alt.religion etc. It is Bill who always drags the laboratory into the
cathedral. I don't drag the cathedral into the laboratory.
Alen
Another outright lie!
I thought your imaginary sky-pixie had strict rules against bearing
false witness?
Not when the lies are in the service of Jesus.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: To Believe In Jesus |
24 Nov 2005 09:28:55 AM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 06:12:15 -0800, in alt.atheism
"alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> wrote in
<1132841535.686866.303780@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
Jericho wrote:
Being that this post showed up in alt.atheism and Bill that directly
relates to verifying the existance of a god, it seems that your
objection to the question is out of place, theist. Take your self and
your objection back to your cathedral where you belong, and bolt the
door and draw the shades, lest some light get in.
Jerricho
It shows up in alt.atheism because atheists like Bill show up in
alt.religion etc. It is Bill who always drags the laboratory into the
cathedral. I don't drag the cathedral into the laboratory.
Alen
That's nice. It would be nice if Young Earth Creationists, Intelligent
Design advocates and other religious zealots were as kind.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: To Believe In Jesus |
24 Nov 2005 11:18:20 AM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet alen (alen1@westserv.net.au)
made the light shine upon us with this:
Jericho wrote:
Being that this post showed up in alt.atheism and Bill that directly
relates to verifying the existance of a god, it seems that your
objection to the question is out of place, theist. Take your self and
your objection back to your cathedral where you belong, and bolt the
door and draw the shades, lest some light get in.
Jerricho
It shows up in alt.atheism because atheists like Bill show up in
alt.religion etc. It is Bill who always drags the laboratory into the
cathedral. I don't drag the cathedral into the laboratory.
Kicking and screaming, no doubt.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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"GARGOYLES, PSYCHICS, EVERYTHING UNGODLY, GET THE HELL OUT OF MY
HOUSE, IN JESUS NAME I PRAY. THE DARK SIDE, SHE's NOT A CHRISTIAN,
SHE'S DARK-SIDED, SHE'S DARK-SIDED, THIS IS MY HOUSE, I WANT MY GOD
AND I WANT MY FAMILY. I AM A GOD WARRIOR SHE'S A SPIRITUAL WARRIOR,
SHE WAS THROWN IN THE PITS, OH NO THE HORRORS"
Ain't Christianity great?
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: To Believe In Jesus |
24 Nov 2005 12:34:16 PM |
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why is it that christians can never provide proof of the "supreme being" ?
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| User: "thomas p" |
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| Title: Re: To Believe In Jesus |
23 Nov 2005 12:08:45 PM |
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On 23 Nov 2005 06:50:28 -0800, "alen" <alen1@westserv.net.au> wrote:
Bill wrote:
"Frank" <roines@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:uQxgf.4055$wf.2876@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
One must believe
that Jesus is LORD (not some lesser lord)
for salvation.
The Son is God, one with the Father.
Eternal life comes by believing in Jesus;
and to believe in Jesus is to believe
that Jesus is God and our eternal life
And your objective verifiable material evidence for these claims is???
Your 'question' is out of place, as usual, atheist. Take yourself
and your 'question' back to a scientific laboratory, where you
belong, and bolt the door, and throw the key out the window.
Alen
Does that mean you have no evidence? Why not just say so?
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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