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Re: TOBS-Genesis: Creative day III -- MORNING STAR |
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:01:33 GMT
commenced to scrawl the following on
the out house wall for the world to admire
follow up set
walksalone wrote in alt.atheism
snip priors
Don't tell me you snooze and read usenet at the same time, you lazy
old dog, you. You snooze, you lose, you know... :-)
Okay, I won't tell you that than but I will tell you that I can chew
bubblegum and walk at the same time.
Can you rub circles around your stomach while patting the top
of your head at the same time, while switching your left and right
hands, and hopping on alternating feet, AND chewing gum at the
same time, and rasing your left eyebrow exactly .003 picometers?
walksalone detects the droneing of another mosquito and cocks ear while
raising left eyebrow precisely .0005 picometers> Oh, it is Elroy. Is there
a question you have or are you being frivoulus again?
SNIP
I read quite a few of them that you sent me, but can't remember them
all, so I thought I'd see what you could remember.
Wait, wait, this does not compute. Are you trying to tell me that as young
as you are and the excellent journalist that you are, you can't remember a
good story?
I'm no spring chicken you know. I'm at the bi-focal age, and I think
I do recall you doing a rather impressive chicken dance not so long ago.
As to bifocales, you have it made. When I first found I needed assistance
in detecting whether a pretty girl was blonde or redhead at 5 thousand
meters, I had to go to a crystal mine and and manufacture my lenses. And
don't even asked about the frames, have you ever tried to chisel and grind
granite to get a good seal on a circular thin object? No real fun ther as
you can imagine. And let's not even get into cool sun glasses, have you
ever tried to find yellow crystal?
there might be something to the idea that to learn something new,
you have to lose something old. The hard drive is full, and I can't
add a new one, as much as I'd like to. Oh well...
I rather doubt that for reasons that are not readily acceptable for I lack
a actual evidence. Personal suspicion, we still have all our memories but
he paths that the brain uses to get to that information has been rerouted
to a more needful area of information storage. Something like the bridge
is still standing but you can't easily lift the draw bar so you can pass.
So if you do not mind and it would not be an inconvenience, I would
appreciate actual actual documentation on your claim that it was a theme
that was found throughout the Americas.
I doubt he was talking about USA natives. I thought maybe he was
talking about the Aztecs, which I don't consider as north american
natives for some reason. Maybe I should, I don't know.
Technically, they are for they are of Mexico and Mexico is considered
North America.
I guess they were different enough to be considered a different
group of people, but maybe they shouldn't be, at least geographically
speaking, when it comes to the americas in general.
They are possibly one of the few grounds for justifiable genocide. I still
don't hold that genocide would or is justifiable in their case but they
certainly managed to ***** off all of their neighbors. Had they not been
interfered with it is quite possible that they would have became a society
that was not so violent.
snip
You are the one buzzing around like a mosquito that has not fed in a month
and all I wanted to do was snooze, which is an appropriate past time for
an old geezer such as myself.
Especially on rainy days.
Absolutely, so go find a member of the bleater brigade to irritate for it
is a drizzly overcast day here.
As to fun, are you sure you want me to enjoy myself like I did last time you
were involved? At least you seemed to enjoy the dancing you were doing.
I don't think I dance very well, to tell the truth.
I was not the only one that was impressed the last time you did your
chicken dance.
snip
Maybe he considers himself an ethnic Jew, but doesn't really believe
in most of the Jewish mythologies, I dunno.
I don't know nor is it a matter of concern. I do know that he tends to try
to narrow down a conversation to a particular point which means you don't
really have anything to discuss. His current thread here is an example,
how can you discuss any similarity between the tower of babbel & other
similar myths unless you discuss be reason for the myth in the first
place? A question I can not intelligently answer.
snip
I can foresee some discussion between you and Matt about the
"revealed desert religions" idea. I'm guessing he probably won't like
what you have to say, but I could be wrong.
I could just about guarantee that for I have actually studied those
mythologys and those gods are rather familiar to me. Still, it is not
impossible for him to give me new information but it is not likely. No
knock on him but very few people actually study claims for gods and how
those claims came to be.
Matt seems to put more importance on the lessons that the stories
might teach, instead of thinking about the cosmology or reference to
the gods of the time. Maybe he just ignores those parts or doesn't
consider them very important.
But unless you is understand the reason for the mythology in the first
place, you can only claim to understand the lesson. The tower of babbel is
a good indication of that lack of understanding. To branch off and claim
similarities elsewhere is simply to divert attention from the subject.
What ever that was is between you and Matt. & yes, many myths do have a
lesson to share with the following generations.
snip
Personally, I find the simplest explanation for the language
scrambling idea as being based on the laborers such as masons
I have an even easier one, the tower of babbel myth is an attempt to
explain why not everyone has the same language even though the claim is
that all people were made by the same gods.
That's a good one as well. The last one I'd accept is that some god
actually intervened at that time, just to confuse people in order to
stop the construction of some tower to heaven.
snip
Whatever the reason for that part of the story, it's clear that no act
of some god caused the different languages in people in that area.
walksalone who notices that once again Elroy cuts to the quick of the
matter and makes an astute observation.
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| Title: Re: TOBS-Genesis: Creative day III -- MORNING STAR |
12 Oct 2003 12:17:07 PM |
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walksalone wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:01:33 GMT
commenced to scrawl the following on the out house wall for the
world to admire
follow up set
walksalone wrote in alt.atheism
snip priors
Don't tell me you snooze and read usenet at the same time, you lazy
old dog, you. You snooze, you lose, you know... :-)
Okay, I won't tell you that than but I will tell you that I can chew
bubblegum and walk at the same time.
Can you rub circles around your stomach while patting the top
of your head at the same time, while switching your left and right
hands, and hopping on alternating feet, AND chewing gum at the
same time, and rasing your left eyebrow exactly .003 picometers?
walksalone detects the droneing of another mosquito and cocks ear while
raising left eyebrow precisely .0005 picometers> Oh, it is Elroy. Is there
a question you have or are you being frivoulus again?
Just being blabby... Chewing the fat and such...
<snip>
there might be something to the idea that to learn something new,
you have to lose something old. The hard drive is full, and I can't
add a new one, as much as I'd like to. Oh well...
I rather doubt that for reasons that are not readily acceptable for I lack
a actual evidence. Personal suspicion, we still have all our memories but
he paths that the brain uses to get to that information has been rerouted
to a more needful area of information storage. Something like the bridge
is still standing but you can't easily lift the draw bar so you can pass.
I understand your comparison, and perhaps that's what's going on.
The more you access a certain memory, the more bridges are built to
it, and the less you access them, the different bridges start fading
away or being used elsewhere until there might be perhaps only a
single bridge to some specific memory, which if lost or severed, will
cause you to lose a particular memory completely.
<snip>
I doubt he was talking about USA natives. I thought maybe he was
talking about the Aztecs, which I don't consider as north american
natives for some reason. Maybe I should, I don't know.
Technically, they are for they are of Mexico and Mexico is considered
North America.
I guess they were different enough to be considered a different
group of people, but maybe they shouldn't be, at least geographically
speaking, when it comes to the americas in general.
They are possibly one of the few grounds for justifiable genocide.
Because of their supposed human sacrifices, or something else?
I still don't hold that genocide would or is justifiable in their case but they
certainly managed to ***** off all of their neighbors. Had they not been
interfered with it is quite possible that they would have became a society
that was not so violent.
I don't really know that much about the aztecs, and have never read an
account which says why they seemed to have disappeared. My guess is
that they didn't really cease to exist at all, they just merged and
were absorbed into new civilizations that they came into contact with.
Similar to what's going on right now in south Texas and other parts
of the western southern united states.
snip
You are the one buzzing around like a mosquito that has not fed
in a month and all I wanted to do was snooze, which is an appropriate
past time for an old geezer such as myself.
Especially on rainy days.
Absolutely, so go find a member of the bleater brigade to irritate for it
is a drizzly overcast day here.
Are you saying you'd rather I never mention your name again in any
of my posts, perhaps to get your input? If so, I can do that.
<snip>
Matt seems to put more importance on the lessons that the stories
might teach, instead of thinking about the cosmology or reference to
the gods of the time. Maybe he just ignores those parts or doesn't
consider them very important.
But unless you is understand the reason for the mythology in the first
place, you can only claim to understand the lesson. The tower of babbel is
a good indication of that lack of understanding. To branch off and claim
similarities elsewhere is simply to divert attention from the subject.
I agree completely, so I suppose we're both fundy atheists, according
to Matt. We're too simplistic in our thinking, so he says. Oh well,
***** him.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS-Genesis: Creative day III -- MORNING STAR |
12 Oct 2003 07:01:24 PM |
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In <oa1jov0qo80eljlu6fs39hj1m7e92g2k9v@4ax.com>, on 10/12/2003
at 05:17 PM, Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> said:
walksalone wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:01:33 GMT
commenced to scrawl the following on the out house wall for the
world to admire
follow up set
snip
walksalone detects the droneing of another mosquito and cocks ear while
raising left eyebrow precisely .0005 picometers> Oh, it is Elroy. Is there
a question you have or are you being frivoulus again?
Just being blabby... Chewing the fat and such...
<hands Elroy a piece of raw seal blubber> have a snack.
snip
I doubt he was talking about USA natives. I thought maybe he was
talking about the Aztecs, which I don't consider as north american
natives for some reason. Maybe I should, I don't know.
Technically, they are for they are of Mexico and Mexico is considered
North America.
I guess they were different enough to be considered a different
group of people, but maybe they shouldn't be, at least geographically
speaking, when it comes to the americas in general.
They are possibly one of the few grounds for justifiable genocide.
Because of their supposed human sacrifices, or something else?
What do you mean supposed there, their mythology required human sacrifice
and they kept in a constant state of war to fulfill that requirement
I still don't hold that genocide would or is justifiable in their case but they
certainly managed to ***** off all of their neighbors. Had they not been
interfered with it is quite possible that they would have became a society
that was not so violent.
I don't really know that much about the aztecs, and have never read an
account which says why they seemed to have disappeared. My guess is that
they didn't really cease to exist at all, they just merged and were
absorbed into new civilizations that they came into contact with. Similar
to what's going on right now in south Texas and other parts of the
western southern united states.
They are still around but I suspect not as a political entity. The
mythology still has followers minus the sacrifice. It paralleled be xian
mythology when sex was involved for sex was considered filthy.
snip
You are the one buzzing around like a mosquito that has not fed
in a month and all I wanted to do was snooze, which is an appropriate
past time for an old geezer such as myself.
Especially on rainy days.
Absolutely, so go find a member of the bleater brigade to irritate for it
is a drizzly overcast day here.
Are you saying you'd rather I never mention your name again in any of my
posts, perhaps to get your input? If so, I can do that.
Right now is a very bad time for anyone that reads anything into my
messages to attempt to tell me anything. Though this is no concern of
yours this is the time of the year I start remembering my dead and I
cherish my solitude. It is no fault of yours that you did not recognize a
request for privacy because you were never raised where a person could
have total privacy even in a crowded room. It might assist you in the
future to recall that if I did not feel your question was worthy of at
least one answer, you would never have seen a reply. You might also
consider that given my subtle nature and I not desired to have you use my
name there would have been no doubt about it after a message appeared on
your monitor and it commenced to melt. This is simply a rough time for me
as it has been for the last 30 years but it to will pass. Every year it
seems the remembering starts earlier.
walksalone who will tell Elroy the same thing he told Matt just a few
minutes ago, I will be out of here for a while.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: TOBS-Genesis: Creative day III -- MORNING STAR |
13 Oct 2003 10:51:33 AM |
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walksalone wrote in alt.atheism
at 05:17 PM, Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> said:
walksalone wrote in alt.atheism
I doubt he was talking about USA natives. I thought maybe he was
talking about the Aztecs, which I don't consider as north american
natives for some reason. Maybe I should, I don't know.
Technically, they are for they are of Mexico and Mexico is considered
North America.
I guess they were different enough to be considered a different
group of people, but maybe they shouldn't be, at least geographically
speaking, when it comes to the americas in general.
They are possibly one of the few grounds for justifiable genocide.
Because of their supposed human sacrifices, or something else?
What do you mean supposed there, their mythology required human sacrifice
and they kept in a constant state of war to fulfill that requirement
I still don't hold that genocide would or is justifiable in their case but they
certainly managed to ***** off all of their neighbors. Had they not been
interfered with it is quite possible that they would have became a society
that was not so violent.
I don't really know that much about the aztecs, and have never read an
account which says why they seemed to have disappeared. My guess is that
they didn't really cease to exist at all, they just merged and were
absorbed into new civilizations that they came into contact with. Similar
to what's going on right now in south Texas and other parts of the
western southern united states.
They are still around but I suspect not as a political entity. The
mythology still has followers minus the sacrifice. It paralleled be xian
mythology when sex was involved for sex was considered filthy.
snip
You are the one buzzing around like a mosquito that has not fed
in a month and all I wanted to do was snooze, which is an appropriate
past time for an old geezer such as myself.
Especially on rainy days.
Absolutely, so go find a member of the bleater brigade to irritate for it
is a drizzly overcast day here.
Are you saying you'd rather I never mention your name again in any of my
posts, perhaps to get your input? If so, I can do that.
Right now is a very bad time for anyone that reads anything into my
messages to attempt to tell me anything. Though this is no concern of
yours this is the time of the year I start remembering my dead and I
cherish my solitude. It is no fault of yours that you did not recognize a
request for privacy because you were never raised where a person could
have total privacy even in a crowded room.
Heck, I'm all for privacy. I've refused to buy a cell phone for just
that reason.
It might assist you in the future to recall that if I did not feel your question
was worthy of at least one answer, you would never have seen a reply. You
might also consider that given my subtle nature and I not desired to have you
use my name there would have been no doubt about it after a message appeared
on your monitor and it commenced to melt. This is simply a rough time for me
as it has been for the last 30 years but it to will pass.
I understand.
Every year it seems the remembering starts earlier.
Every year keeps going faster and faster for me. I think it's
probably a natural thing, not anything abnormal.
walksalone who will tell Elroy the same thing he told Matt just a few
minutes ago, I will be out of here for a while.
Take care. Don't let the doldrums get you down, try to enjoy them
instead.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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