Religions > Atheism > Re: #Vermont Senate votes for impeachment of Putsch, Cheney
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21 Apr 2007 03:40:13 AM |
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Re: #Vermont Senate votes for impeachment of Putsch, Cheney |
On Apr 20, 3:33 pm, David Hartung <dhart...@quixnet.net> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fvermontgu...
News | Vermont Senate calls for impeachment of Bush, Cheney
By Shay Totten | Vermont Guardian
Posted April 20, 2007
Editor's Note: This story was updated at noon with comments from Senate
Pres. Pro Tem Peter Shumlin.
MONTPELIER - The Vermont Senate this morning approved by a 16-9 margin a
resolution calling on the U.S. House to launch impeachment proceedings
of Pres. George W. Bush and Vice Pres. ***** Cheney.
So?
This seems to be the in-vogue way for loons to express their priggish
disloyalty. Used to
be, back during the Cold War, the leftwing city council of Bum-F**k-by-
the-Sea would
unilaterally declare itself a Nuclear Free Zone to curry favor with
the Reds.
Remember those days?
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| Title: Re: #Vermont Senate votes for impeachment of Putsch, Cheney |
21 Apr 2007 05:42:39 AM |
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"Kurt Nicklas" <nicklask@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1177144813.283078.293870@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 20, 3:33 pm, David Hartung <dhart...@quixnet.net> wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fvermontgu...
News | Vermont Senate calls for impeachment of Bush, Cheney
By Shay Totten | Vermont Guardian
Posted April 20, 2007
Editor's Note: This story was updated at noon with comments from Senate
Pres. Pro Tem Peter Shumlin.
MONTPELIER - The Vermont Senate this morning approved by a 16-9 margin
a
resolution calling on the U.S. House to launch impeachment proceedings
of Pres. George W. Bush and Vice Pres. ***** Cheney.
So?
This seems to be the in-vogue way for loons to express their priggish
disloyalty. Used to
be, back during the Cold War, the leftwing city council of Bum-F**k-by-
the-Sea would
unilaterally declare itself a Nuclear Free Zone to curry favor with
the Reds.
Remember those days?
No, but I remember learning about the McCarthy Era.
I'm not old enough to remember it personally. We're
reliving it right now. If you like this, you're no patriot.
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| Title: Re: #Vermont Senate votes for impeachment of Putsch, Cheney |
21 Apr 2007 05:55:29 AM |
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Michelle Malkin said:
No, but I remember learning about the McCarthy Era.
I'm not old enough to remember it personally. We're
reliving it right now. If you like this, you're no patriot.
If it wasn't for McCarthy, we'd all be speaking Russian by now.
Ann Coulter says that he was a hero and that we need to build statues of him.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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21 Apr 2007 10:37:49 AM |
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Bung <bung92@xcite.net> writes:
Michelle Malkin said:
No, but I remember learning about the McCarthy Era.
I'm not old enough to remember it personally. We're
reliving it right now. If you like this, you're no patriot.
If it wasn't for McCarthy, we'd all be speaking Russian by now.
Are we talking about the same Tailgunner Joe who drank himself to death after
his attempted putsch in the HUAC fiasco? (That was a a couple of years before
I was born, but I grew up conservative - and still am - even though I got my
degree in Russian Studies in the late '70s. Ponimaete ly vy?)
Ann Coulter says that he was a hero and that we need to build statues of him.
Why does she look like the late Roy Cohn's (who died of AIDS) ***** love
child?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
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21 Apr 2007 07:30:49 AM |
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On 21 apr, 12:55, Bung <bun...@xcite.net> wrote:
Michelle Malkin said:> No, but I remember learning about the McCarthy Era.
I'm not old enough to remember it personally. We're
reliving it right now. If you like this, you're no patriot.
If it wasn't for McCarthy, we'd all be speaking Russian by now.
He stopped the school from teaching the Russian language?
Ann Coulter says that he was a hero and that we need to build statues of him.
Why not build a statue for the Salem witch-hunters?
Peter van Velzen
April 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "Rob Bob" |
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21 Apr 2007 07:44:14 AM |
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On 21 apr, 12:55, Bung <bun...@xcite.net> wrote:
Michelle Malkin said:> No, but I remember learning about the McCarthy Era.
I'm not old enough to remember it personally. We're
reliving it right now. If you like this, you're no patriot.
If it wasn't for McCarthy, we'd all be speaking Russian by now.
He stopped the school from teaching the Russian language?
Ann Coulter says that he was a hero and that we need to build statues of him.
Why not build a statue for the Salem witch-hunters?
McCarthy showed us all that a boozed up alcoholic slob can become famous
outside of the music business and Hollywood.
He's an inspiration to us all.
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| User: "LarsensAttack BayonetVariation.net" |
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21 Apr 2007 08:37:46 AM |
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Rob Bob wrote:
said:
On 21 apr, 12:55, Bung <bun...@xcite.net> wrote:
Michelle Malkin said:> No, but I remember learning about the McCarthy Era.
I'm not old enough to remember it personally. We're
reliving it right now. If you like this, you're no patriot.
If it wasn't for McCarthy, we'd all be speaking Russian by now.
He stopped the school from teaching the Russian language?
Ann Coulter says that he was a hero and that we need to build statues of him.
Why not build a statue for the Salem witch-hunters?
McCarthy showed us all that a boozed up alcoholic slob can become famous
outside of the music business and Hollywood.
He's an inspiration to us all.
Yeah. He recognized the problem that Communists wanted to
pretend didn't exist. BTW - he didn't mass murder any US
citizens, while his communist opponents were mass murdering
their own and others in the countries they took over.
--
B3
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Governments should fear their people, not vice versa.
Reining in out of control government is just a strike away.
Reining in out of control media is just a boycott away.
http://www.opensecrets.org sees where your candidates get their $$
Israel has 200+ Nukes. Iran has 0. Yet, Iran is the problem?
The Bush White House Motto: SO SUE US!
Jesus was a liberal who would have marched on DC to overturn the tables
in lobbyists and "Christian Leaders" offices.
No conservatives were ever great inventors, thinkers or humanists.
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| User: "LarsensAttack BayonetVariation.net" |
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21 Apr 2007 08:36:01 AM |
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wrote:
On 21 apr, 12:55, Bung <bun...@xcite.net> wrote:
Michelle Malkin said:> No, but I remember learning about the McCarthy Era.
I'm not old enough to remember it personally. We're
reliving it right now. If you like this, you're no patriot.
If it wasn't for McCarthy, we'd all be speaking Russian by now.
He stopped the school from teaching the Russian language?
Don't be assinine. Most of Europe lived in fear of a Bolshevik
takeover and mass murder of all those who didnt agree with them.
The only ones who didn't were their Communist 5th columnists
who thought THEY'D be safe. LOL.
Ann Coulter says that he was a hero and that we need to build statues of him.
Why not build a statue for the Salem witch-hunters?
Yeah, right. Apt comparison. How many of their own citizens did Stalin
and Lenin mass murder and how many did McCarthy and the USA?
The Bolsheviks routinely genocidally murdered millions of Ukranians and
ran their own extermination programs.
How many people were dragged out of the McCarthy hearings for torture
chambers, Gulags and firing squads, or just simple executions without
fair trial in forests and cellars?
Peter van Velzen
April 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
--
B3
==
Governments should fear their people, not vice versa.
Reining in out of control government is just a strike away.
Reining in out of control media is just a boycott away.
http://www.opensecrets.org sees where your candidates get their $$
Israel has 200+ Nukes. Iran has 0. Yet, Iran is the problem?
The Bush White House Motto: SO SUE US!
Jesus was a liberal who would have marched on DC to overturn the tables
in lobbyists and "Christian Leaders" offices.
No conservatives were ever great inventors, thinkers or humanists.
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| User: "" |
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21 Apr 2007 10:38:17 AM |
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On 21 apr, 15:36, LarsensAttack <BayonetVariation.net> wrote:
pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
On 21 apr, 12:55, Bung <bun...@xcite.net> wrote:
Michelle Malkin said:> No, but I remember learning about the McCarthy Era.
I'm not old enough to remember it personally. We're
reliving it right now. If you like this, you're no patriot.
If it wasn't for McCarthy, we'd all be speaking Russian by now.
He stopped the school from teaching the Russian language?
Don't be assinine. Most of Europe lived in fear of a Bolshevik
takeover and mass murder of all those who didnt agree with them.
The only ones who didn't were their Communist 5th columnists
who thought THEY'D be safe. LOL.
You are rigth to suppose Communist 5th columnist wouldn't be save
after a communist takeover, you are wrong if you believe any of the
people mcCarthy targeted were a serious threath to us Europeans.
Many of them weren't even communists, just named by the real ones.
Ann Coulter says that he was a hero and that we need to build statues of him.
Why not build a statue for the Salem witch-hunters?
Yeah, right. Apt comparison. How many of their own citizens did Stalin
and Lenin mass murder and how many did McCarthy and the USA?
The Bolsheviks routinely genocidally murdered millions of Ukranians and
ran their own extermination programs.
I agree McCarthy wasn't taking any lives.
The fact tat Stalin was (Lenin was long gone) however
doesn't change the fact that he was mostly waisting his time.
How many people were dragged out of the McCarthy hearings for torture
chambers, Gulags and firing squads, or just simple executions without
fair trial in forests and cellars?
I agree that McCarthy didn't really torture anybody
The fact that Russians were put in Camps in Siberia however
doesn't change the fact that he was targeting people who's only crime
was being named by someone else.
You really have to do more than name Stalin and Gulag
in order to convince me, that anybody who lost his job/bussiness
because of mcCarthy would have been any threath to the USA had he gone
on working as before.
Name a dangerous communist targetted by mcCarrthy
and I will consider whether he would be any greater threath
than Cheney.
Peter van Velzen
April 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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21 Apr 2007 12:56:24 PM |
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wrote:
On 21 apr, 15:36, LarsensAttack <BayonetVariation.net> wrote:
pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
On 21 apr, 12:55, Bung <bun...@xcite.net> wrote:
Michelle Malkin said:> No, but I remember learning about the McCarthy Era.
I'm not old enough to remember it personally. We're
reliving it right now. If you like this, you're no patriot.
If it wasn't for McCarthy, we'd all be speaking Russian by now.
He stopped the school from teaching the Russian language?
Don't be assinine. Most of Europe lived in fear of a Bolshevik
takeover and mass murder of all those who didnt agree with them.
The only ones who didn't were their Communist 5th columnists
who thought THEY'D be safe. LOL.
You are rigth to suppose Communist 5th columnist wouldn't be save
after a communist takeover, you are wrong if you believe any of the
people mcCarthy targeted were a serious threath to us Europeans.
Many of them weren't even communists, just named by the real ones.
Ann Coulter says that he was a hero and that we need to build statues of him.
Why not build a statue for the Salem witch-hunters?
Yeah, right. Apt comparison. How many of their own citizens did Stalin
and Lenin mass murder and how many did McCarthy and the USA?
The Bolsheviks routinely genocidally murdered millions of Ukranians and
ran their own extermination programs.
I agree McCarthy wasn't taking any lives.
The fact tat Stalin was (Lenin was long gone) however
doesn't change the fact that he was mostly waisting his time.
How many people were dragged out of the McCarthy hearings for torture
chambers, Gulags and firing squads, or just simple executions without
fair trial in forests and cellars?
I agree that McCarthy didn't really torture anybody
The fact that Russians were put in Camps in Siberia however
doesn't change the fact that he was targeting people who's only crime
was being named by someone else.
No, he investigated people and called upon them to answer
questions. If they would not or could not, that made them
suspect. They were not asked questions like
"How many light bulbs did your operation use last year??" and
dragged out and shot if they could not answer. You need to do some
serious reading on what your Bolshevik heroes did.
You really have to do more than name Stalin and Gulag
in order to convince me, that anybody who lost his job/bussiness
because of mcCarthy would have been any threath to the USA had he gone
on working as before.
Name a dangerous communist targetted by mcCarrthy
and I will consider whether he would be any greater threath
than Cheney.
They were all dangerous because they knew what the Bolsheviks
did in the USSR. They knew they genocidcally mass-murdered millions and
millions of people, yet they still supported them. That's dangerous.
Peter van Velzen
April 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
--
B3
==
Governments should fear their people, not vice versa.
Reining in out of control government is just a strike away.
Reining in out of control media is just a boycott away.
http://www.opensecrets.org sees where your candidates get their $$
Israel has 200+ Nukes. Iran has 0. Yet, Iran is the problem?
The Bush White House Motto: SO SUE US!
Jesus was a liberal who would have marched on DC to overturn the tables
in lobbyists and "Christian Leaders" offices.
No conservatives were ever great inventors, thinkers or humanists.
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22 Apr 2007 06:33:24 AM |
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On 21 apr, 19:56, LarsensAttack <BayonetVariation.net> wrote:
pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
On 21 apr, 15:36, LarsensAttack <BayonetVariation.net> wrote:
pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
On 21 apr, 12:55, Bung <bun...@xcite.net> wrote:
Michelle Malkin said:> No, but I remember learning about the McCarthy Era.
I'm not old enough to remember it personally. We're
reliving it right now. If you like this, you're no patriot.
If it wasn't for McCarthy, we'd all be speaking Russian by now.
He stopped the school from teaching the Russian language?
Don't be assinine. Most of Europe lived in fear of a Bolshevik
takeover and mass murder of all those who didnt agree with them.
The only ones who didn't were their Communist 5th columnists
who thought THEY'D be safe. LOL.
You are rigth to suppose Communist 5th columnist wouldn't be save
after a communist takeover, you are wrong if you believe any of the
people mcCarthy targeted were a serious threath to us Europeans.
Many of them weren't even communists, just named by the real ones.
Ann Coulter says that he was a hero and that we need to build statues of him.
Why not build a statue for the Salem witch-hunters?
Yeah, right. Apt comparison. How many of their own citizens did Stalin
and Lenin mass murder and how many did McCarthy and the USA?
The Bolsheviks routinely genocidally murdered millions of Ukranians and
ran their own extermination programs.
I agree McCarthy wasn't taking any lives.
The fact tat Stalin was (Lenin was long gone) however
doesn't change the fact that he was mostly waisting his time.
How many people were dragged out of the McCarthy hearings for torture
chambers, Gulags and firing squads, or just simple executions without
fair trial in forests and cellars?
I agree that McCarthy didn't really torture anybody
The fact that Russians were put in Camps in Siberia however
doesn't change the fact that he was targeting people who's only crime
was being named by someone else.
No, he investigated people and called upon them to answer
questions. If they would not or could not, that made them
suspect. They were not asked questions like
"How many light bulbs did your operation use last year??" and
dragged out and shot if they could not answer. You need to do some
serious reading on what your Bolshevik heroes did.
You may have started out with no,
but you didn't say anything to counter my statement.
I never said mcCarthy was as bad as the Bolshevik's
I only claim he actions didn't have a positive effect.
You may be of a different opinion,
but - so far - you bring no arguments against it.
You really have to do more than name Stalin and Gulag
in order to convince me, that anybody who lost his job/bussiness
because of mcCarthy would have been any threath to the USA had he gone
on working as before.
Name a dangerous communist targetted by mcCarrthy
and I will consider whether he would be any greater threath
than Cheney.
They were all dangerous because they knew what the Bolsheviks
did in the USSR. They knew they genocidcally mass-murdered millions and
millions of people, yet they still supported them. That's dangerous.
McCarthy knew than too
And he made people jobsless without proving they supported the
bolsheviks.
And being in favor of more power to the working classes
does not mean you support genocide mas murder,
let alone, endanger the united stats of America
Anyway you even failed to name even one of McCarthy's targets,
let alone proof he was a dangerous communist.
Your whole argument only restson the badness of the sovjet leadership,
but that does not proof that mcCarthy did anything positive.
Peter van Velzen
April 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "LarsensAttack BayonetVariation.net" |
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22 Apr 2007 08:00:01 AM |
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wrote:
On 21 apr, 19:56, LarsensAttack <BayonetVariation.net> wrote:
pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
On 21 apr, 15:36, LarsensAttack <BayonetVariation.net> wrote:
pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
On 21 apr, 12:55, Bung <bun...@xcite.net> wrote:
Michelle Malkin said:> No, but I remember learning about the McCarthy Era.
I'm not old enough to remember it personally. We're
reliving it right now. If you like this, you're no patriot.
If it wasn't for McCarthy, we'd all be speaking Russian by now.
He stopped the school from teaching the Russian language?
Don't be assinine. Most of Europe lived in fear of a Bolshevik
takeover and mass murder of all those who didnt agree with them.
The only ones who didn't were their Communist 5th columnists
who thought THEY'D be safe. LOL.
You are rigth to suppose Communist 5th columnist wouldn't be save
after a communist takeover, you are wrong if you believe any of the
people mcCarthy targeted were a serious threath to us Europeans.
Many of them weren't even communists, just named by the real ones.
Ann Coulter says that he was a hero and that we need to build statues of him.
Why not build a statue for the Salem witch-hunters?
Yeah, right. Apt comparison. How many of their own citizens did Stalin
and Lenin mass murder and how many did McCarthy and the USA?
The Bolsheviks routinely genocidally murdered millions of Ukranians and
ran their own extermination programs.
I agree McCarthy wasn't taking any lives.
The fact tat Stalin was (Lenin was long gone) however
doesn't change the fact that he was mostly waisting his time.
How many people were dragged out of the McCarthy hearings for torture
chambers, Gulags and firing squads, or just simple executions without
fair trial in forests and cellars?
I agree that McCarthy didn't really torture anybody
The fact that Russians were put in Camps in Siberia however
doesn't change the fact that he was targeting people who's only crime
was being named by someone else.
No, he investigated people and called upon them to answer
questions. If they would not or could not, that made them
suspect. They were not asked questions like
"How many light bulbs did your operation use last year??" and
dragged out and shot if they could not answer. You need to do some
serious reading on what your Bolshevik heroes did.
You may have started out with no,
but you didn't say anything to counter my statement.
I never said mcCarthy was as bad as the Bolshevik's
I only claim he actions didn't have a positive effect.
You may be of a different opinion,
but - so far - you bring no arguments against it.
Genocide of millions more than the Holocaust doesn't cut
it for you? Wow.
You really have to do more than name Stalin and Gulag
in order to convince me, that anybody who lost his job/bussiness
because of mcCarthy would have been any threath to the USA had he gone
on working as before.
Name a dangerous communist targetted by mcCarrthy
and I will consider whether he would be any greater threath
than Cheney.
They were all dangerous because they knew what the Bolsheviks
did in the USSR. They knew they genocidcally mass-murdered millions and
millions of people, yet they still supported them. That's dangerous.
McCarthy knew than too
And he made people jobsless without proving they supported the
bolsheviks.
Cite who he made jobless that was not a Bolshevik supporter.
And being in favor of more power to the working classes
does not mean you support genocide mas murder,
let alone, endanger the united stats of America
Anyway you even failed to name even one of McCarthy's targets,
let alone proof he was a dangerous communist.
You tell me who he caused to be jobless that was not a
communist affiliate.
Your whole argument only restson the badness of the sovjet leadership,
but that does not proof that mcCarthy did anything positive.
For survival of America, he did a lot.
Peter van Velzen
April 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
--
B3
==
Governments should fear their people, not vice versa.
Reining in out of control government is just a strike away.
Reining in out of control media is just a boycott away.
http://www.opensecrets.org sees where your candidates get their $$
Israel has 200+ Nukes. Iran has 0. Yet, Iran is the problem?
The Bush White House Motto: SO SUE US!
Jesus was a liberal who would have marched on DC to overturn the tables
in lobbyists and "Christian Leaders" offices.
No conservatives were ever great inventors, thinkers or humanists.
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22 Apr 2007 04:35:29 PM |
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LarsensAttack <BayonetVariation.net> wrote in
news:5_WdnRPWLJj7w7bbnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@comcast.com:
pbamvv@worldonline.nl wrote:
On 21 apr, 19:56, LarsensAttack <BayonetVariation.net>
wrote:
pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
On 21 apr, 15:36, LarsensAttack <BayonetVariation.net>
wrote:
pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
On 21 apr, 12:55, Bung <bun...@xcite.net> wrote:
Michelle Malkin said:> No, but I
remember learning about the McCarthy Era.
I'm not old enough to remember it personally. We're
reliving it right now. If you like this, you're no
patriot.
If it wasn't for McCarthy, we'd all be speaking Russian
by now.
He stopped the school from teaching the Russian language?
Don't be assinine. Most of Europe lived in fear of a
Bolshevik takeover and mass murder of all those who didnt
agree with them. The only ones who didn't were their
Communist 5th columnists who thought THEY'D be safe. LOL.
You are rigth to suppose Communist 5th columnist wouldn't
be save after a communist takeover, you are wrong if you
believe any of the people mcCarthy targeted were a serious
threath to us Europeans. Many of them weren't even
communists, just named by the real ones.
Ann Coulter says that he was a hero and that we need to
build statues of him.
Why not build a statue for the Salem witch-hunters?
Yeah, right. Apt comparison. How many of their own
citizens did Stalin and Lenin mass murder and how many did
McCarthy and the USA? The Bolsheviks routinely genocidally
murdered millions of Ukranians and ran their own
extermination programs.
I agree McCarthy wasn't taking any lives.
The fact tat Stalin was (Lenin was long gone) however
doesn't change the fact that he was mostly waisting his
time.
How many people were dragged out of the McCarthy hearings
for torture chambers, Gulags and firing squads, or just
simple executions without fair trial in forests and
cellars?
I agree that McCarthy didn't really torture anybody
The fact that Russians were put in Camps in Siberia however
doesn't change the fact that he was targeting people who's
only crime was being named by someone else.
No, he investigated people and called upon them to answer
questions. If they would not or could not, that made them
suspect. They were not asked questions like
"How many light bulbs did your operation use last year??"
and dragged out and shot if they could not answer. You need
to do some serious reading on what your Bolshevik heroes
did.
You may have started out with no,
but you didn't say anything to counter my statement.
I never said mcCarthy was as bad as the Bolshevik's
I only claim he actions didn't have a positive effect.
You may be of a different opinion,
but - so far - you bring no arguments against it.
Genocide of millions more than the Holocaust doesn't cut
it for you? Wow.
Well....Stalin did have a larger population pool to work on.
No, that isn't a defense of Stalin. Stalin had a major case of
paranoia. His actions were the result of mental illness abetted
by a cultural norm that allowed power to be exercised by a single
person. The Russian implementation of socialism was really
nothing more than a return to the Russian authortarian variety as
practiced by the Mongols and the later Russians such as Ivan the
terrible.
You really have to do more than name Stalin and Gulag
in order to convince me, that anybody who lost his
job/bussiness because of mcCarthy would have been any
threath to the USA had he gone on working as before.
Name a dangerous communist targetted by mcCarrthy
and I will consider whether he would be any greater threath
than Cheney.
They were all dangerous because they knew what the
Bolsheviks did in the USSR. They knew they genocidcally
mass-murdered millions and millions of people, yet they
still supported them. That's dangerous.
McCarthy knew than too
And he made people jobsless without proving they supported
the bolsheviks.
Cite who he made jobless that was not a Bolshevik supporter.
Ahhh, so you support making thoughts subject to criminal
prosecution?
And being in favor of more power to the working classes
does not mean you support genocide mas murder,
let alone, endanger the united stats of America
Anyway you even failed to name even one of McCarthy's
targets, let alone proof he was a dangerous communist.
You tell me who he caused to be jobless that was not a
communist affiliate.
Again, in your mind (heh!) thoughts are sufficient to be criminal
acts?
Your whole argument only restson the badness of the sovjet
leadership, but that does not proof that mcCarthy did
anything positive.
For survival of America, he did a lot.
He created a mindset that almost led to nuclear war (see
MacArthur, LeMay).
Peter van Velzen
April 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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On 21 apr, 19:56, LarsensAttack <BayonetVariation.net>
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pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
On 21 apr, 15:36, LarsensAttack <BayonetVariation.net>
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pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
On 21 apr, 12:55, Bung <bun...@xcite.net> wrote:
Michelle Malkin said:> No, but I
remember learning about the McCarthy Era.
I'm not old enough to remember it personally. We're
reliving it right now. If you like this, you're no
patriot.
If it wasn't for McCarthy, we'd all be speaking Russian
by now.
He stopped the school from teaching the Russian language?
Don't be assinine. Most of Europe lived in fear of a
Bolshevik takeover and mass murder of all those who didnt
agree with them. The only ones who didn't were their
Communist 5th columnists who thought THEY'D be safe. LOL.
You are rigth to suppose Communist 5th columnist wouldn't
be save after a communist takeover, you are wrong if you
believe any of the people mcCarthy targeted were a serious
threath to us Europeans. Many of them weren't even
communists, just named by the real ones.
Ann Coulter says that he was a hero and that we need to
build statues of him.
Why not build a statue for the Salem witch-hunters?
Yeah, right. Apt comparison. How many of their own
citizens did Stalin and Lenin mass murder and how many did
McCarthy and the USA? The Bolsheviks routinely genocidally
murdered millions of Ukranians and ran their own
extermination programs.
I agree McCarthy wasn't taking any lives.
The fact tat Stalin was (Lenin was long gone) however
doesn't change the fact that he was mostly waisting his
time.
How many people were dragged out of the McCarthy hearings
for torture chambers, Gulags and firing squads, or just
simple executions without fair trial in forests and
cellars?
I agree that McCarthy didn't really torture anybody
The fact that Russians were put in Camps in Siberia however
doesn't change the fact that he was targeting people who's
only crime was being named by someone else.
No, he investigated people and called upon them to answer
questions. If they would not or could not, that made them
suspect. They were not asked questions like
"How many light bulbs did your operation use last year??"
and dragged out and shot if they could not answer. You need
to do some serious reading on what your Bolshevik heroes
did.
You may have started out with no,
but you didn't say anything to counter my statement.
I never said mcCarthy was as bad as the Bolshevik's
I only claim he actions didn't have a positive effect.
You may be of a different opinion,
but - so far - you bring no arguments against it.
Genocide of millions more than the Holocaust doesn't cut
it for you? Wow.
Well....Stalin did have a larger population pool to work on.
No, that isn't a defense of Stalin. Stalin had a major case of
paranoia. His actions were the result of mental illness abetted
by a cultural norm that allowed power to be exercised by a single
person. The Russian implementation of socialism was really
nothing more than a return to the Russian authortarian variety as
practiced by the Mongols and the later Russians such as Ivan the
terrible.
You really have to do more than name Stalin and Gulag
in order to convince me, that anybody who lost his
job/bussiness because of mcCarthy would have been any
threath to the USA had he gone on working as before.
Name a dangerous communist targetted by mcCarrthy
and I will consider whether he would be any greater threath
than Cheney.
They were all dangerous because they knew what the
Bolsheviks did in the USSR. They knew they genocidcally
mass-murdered millions and millions of people, yet they
still supported them. That's dangerous.
No, they were not all that dangerous. Many of them
joined the Communist Party as a lark and quit as
soon as they realized what was involved. They never
did anything to help the commies or hurt anyone.
These people, who never did anything you accuse
them of, lost their jobs, couldn't find work, had their
lives destroyed for a stupid mistake they made when
they were kids. Many committed suicide. McCarthy
was a drunk and blowhard who was looking for
publicity and power. HE didn't care how many people
he hurt as long as he got publicity. He ended up
ruining himself, but not before causing the ruin and
deaths of many innocent people.
McCarthy knew than too
And he made people jobsless without proving they supported
the bolsheviks.
Cite who he made jobless that was not a Bolshevik supporter.
Better yet, why don't you show us who was. And,
remember that being a Democrat does not make
someone a 'bolshevik'. Didn't then, doesn't now.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/05/05/mccarthy.hearings/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism#Blacklists
Here's a short list of those blacklisted from the above
article:
a.. Leonard Bernstein, composer and conductor[47]
b.. Charlie Chaplin, actor[47]
c.. Aaron Copland, composer[47]
d.. Bartley Crum, attorney[48]
e.. Jules Dassin, director[47]
f.. W.E.B. DuBois, civil rights activist and author[49]
g.. Howard Fast, author[50]
h.. Lee Grant, actress[47]
i.. Dashiell Hammett, author[47]
j.. Lillian Hellman, playwright[47]
a.. John Hubley, animator[47]
b.. Langston Hughes, author[51]
c.. Sam Jaffe, actor[47]
d.. Gypsy Rose Lee, actress[52]
e.. Philip Loeb, actor[53]
f.. Joseph Losey, director[47]
g.. Burgess Meredith, actor[52]
h.. Arthur Miller, playwright and essayist[52]
i.. Zero Mostel, actor[47]
j.. Clifford Odets, author[47]
k.. J. Robert Oppenheimer, physicist, "father of the atomic
bomb"[54]
a.. Paul Robeson, actor, athlete, singer, author, political and civil
rights activist[55]
b.. Edward G. Robinson, actor[52]
c.. Waldo Salt, author[47]
d.. Pete Seeger, folk singer[51]
e.. Artie Shaw, jazz musician[51]
f.. Howard Da Silva, actor[47]
g.. Paul Sweezy, economist and founder-editor of Monthly Review[56]
h.. Tsien Hsue-shen, physicist[57]
i.. Orson Welles, actor, author and director[52]
Ahhh, so you support making thoughts subject to criminal
prosecution?
And being in favor of more power to the working classes
does not mean you support genocide mas murder,
let alone, endanger the united stats of America
Anyway you even failed to name even one of McCarthy's
targets, let alone proof he was a dangerous communist.
You tell me who he caused to be jobless that was not a
communist affiliate.
Again, in your mind (heh!) thoughts are sufficient to be criminal
acts?
Your whole argument only restson the badness of the sovjet
leadership, but that does not proof that mcCarthy did
anything positive.
For survival of America, he did a lot.
He created a mindset that almost led to nuclear war (see
MacArthur, LeMay).
Peter van Velzen
April 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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22 Apr 2007 03:03:31 PM |
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On 22 apr, 15:00, LarsensAttack <BayonetVariation.net> wrote:
pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
On 21 apr, 19:56, LarsensAttack <BayonetVariation.net> wrote:
pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
On 21 apr, 15:36, LarsensAttack <BayonetVariation.net> wrote:
pba...@worldonline.nl wrote:
On 21 apr, 12:55, Bung <bun...@xcite.net> wrote:
Michelle Malkin said:> No, but I remember learning about the McCarthy Era.
I'm not old enough to remember it personally. We're
reliving it right now. If you like this, you're no patriot.
If it wasn't for McCarthy, we'd all be speaking Russian by now.
He stopped the school from teaching the Russian language?
Don't be assinine. Most of Europe lived in fear of a Bolshevik
takeover and mass murder of all those who didnt agree with them.
The only ones who didn't were their Communist 5th columnists
who thought THEY'D be safe. LOL.
You are rigth to suppose Communist 5th columnist wouldn't be save
after a communist takeover, you are wrong if you believe any of the
people mcCarthy targeted were a serious threath to us Europeans.
Many of them weren't even communists, just named by the real ones.
Ann Coulter says that he was a hero and that we need to build statues of him.
Why not build a statue for the Salem witch-hunters?
Yeah, right. Apt comparison. How many of their own citizens did Stalin
and Lenin mass murder and how many did McCarthy and the USA?
The Bolsheviks routinely genocidally murdered millions of Ukranians and
ran their own extermination programs.
I agree McCarthy wasn't taking any lives.
The fact tat Stalin was (Lenin was long gone) however
doesn't change the fact that he was mostly waisting his time.
How many people were dragged out of the McCarthy hearings for torture
chambers, Gulags and firing squads, or just simple executions without
fair trial in forests and cellars?
I agree that McCarthy didn't really torture anybody
The fact that Russians were put in Camps in Siberia however
doesn't change the fact that he was targeting people who's only crime
was being named by someone else.
No, he investigated people and called upon them to answer
questions. If they would not or could not, that made them
suspect. They were not asked questions like
"How many light bulbs did your operation use last year??" and
dragged out and shot if they could not answer. You need to do some
serious reading on what your Bolshevik heroes did.
You may have started out with no,
but you didn't say anything to counter my statement.
I never said mcCarthy was as bad as the Bolshevik's
I only claim he actions didn't have a positive effect.
You may be of a different opinion,
but - so far - you bring no arguments against it.
Genocide of millions more than the Holocaust doesn't cut
it for you? Wow.
You really have to do more than name Stalin and Gulag
in order to convince me, that anybody who lost his job/bussiness
because of mcCarthy would have been any threath to the USA had he gone
on working as before.
Name a dangerous communist targetted by mcCarrthy
and I will consider whether he would be any greater threath
than Cheney.
They were all dangerous because they knew what the Bolsheviks
did in the USSR. They knew they genocidcally mass-murdered millions and
millions of people, yet they still supported them. That's dangerous.
McCarthy knew than too
And he made people jobsless without proving they supported the
bolsheviks.
Cite who he made jobless that was not a Bolshevik supporter.
And being in favor of more power to the working classes
does not mean you support genocide mas murder,
let alone, endanger the united stats of America
Anyway you even failed to name even one of McCarthy's targets,
let alone proof he was a dangerous communist.
You tell me who he caused to be jobless that was not a
communist affiliate.
Those would be the none-famous people, alas history seems to have
forgetten these
What I did find at Wikepedia was this:
<quote>
A few of the more famous people who were blacklisted or suffered some
other persecution during McCarthyism are listed here:
Leonard Bernstein, composer and conductor[47]
Charlie Chaplin, actor[47]
Aaron Copland, composer[47]
Bartley Crum, attorney[48]
Jules Dassin, director[47]
W.E.B. DuBois, civil rights activist and author[49]
Howard Fast, author[50]
Lee Grant, actress[47]
Dashiell Hammett, author[47]
Lillian Hellman, playwright[47]
John Hubley, animator[47]
Langston Hughes, author[51]
Sam Jaffe, actor[47]
Gypsy Rose Lee, actress[52]
Philip Loeb, actor[53]
Joseph Losey, director[47]
Burgess Meredith, actor[52]
Arthur Miller, playwright and essayist[52]
Zero Mostel, actor[47]
Clifford Odets, author[47]
J. Robert Oppenheimer, physicist, "father of the atomic bomb"[54]
Paul Robeson, actor, athlete, singer, author, political and civil
rights activist[55]
Edward G. Robinson, actor[52]
Waldo Salt, author[47]
Pete Seeger, folk singer[51]
Artie Shaw, jazz musician[51]
Howard Da Silva, actor[47]
Paul Sweezy, economist and founder-editor of Monthly Review[56]
Tsien Hsue-shen, physicist[57]
Orson Welles, actor, author and director[52]
<unquote>
Now I did the hard work for you,
now all you have to do is proof any of them was a serious danger to
the USA.
Or is that to hard to do?
Your whole argument only restson the badness of the sovjet leadership,
but that does not proof that mcCarthy did anything positive.
For survival of America, he did a lot.
Please point out how America would not have survived without him,
you keep making assertions without anything to back it up.
Now please post some data for a change.
Peter van Velzen
April 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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