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"Daniel Joseph Min" |
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27 May 2006 10:46:10 AM |
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Re: What Evolution Really Is (pantheism) |
On Sat, 27 May 2006, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
Evolution wants you to believe that creatures can change their own DNA
and respond to the environment around them at will. Who is behind this
intelligent adaptation (what power at work)? The creature itself.
The theory of evolution does not believe DNA can be changed at will.
Further, the theory of evolution does not believe change is 'intelligent
adaptation'. Some changes continue because they give offspring a better
chance of survival and reproducing. Other changes don't continue as they
do just the opposite.
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Oh, I get it. In other words, to state things more
clearly for everybody else reading in this thread, in
your personal opinion, the particular group of people
who believe in the devoutly-held 20th-century theory of
evolution (better known as Atheists), those people
collectively believe that DNA cannot be changed at
will; exactly *whose* will is conspicuously unspecified
in your theory, but we civilized people can agree to
disagree. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion is
good for all truly free-thinking people. Don't you agree?
But of course, we who believe in God (each in our own
personal, and collective, ways) naturally believe that
with God -- hence according to God's perfect will and
His Universal Law -- *all* things are possible. You
Atheists, on the other hand, by stark contrast, you
apparently believe that all things are not possible
with God, or more to the point, that "nothing" is
possible with God, since you Atheists devoutly believe
that there is no God, or Gods, by the strictest
dictionary definition of the word "Atheism". And
that's fine. We devout non-Atheists, Theists etc., we
properly respect you Atheists' right to believe and
worship however you choose, just as long as you're not
breaking any laws of the land, of course. We believe
that every law-abiding citizen is entitled to his or
her own opinion, even Atheists like you. We of course
require *exactly* equal respect in return from you
Atheists. And we need to hear you say it and mean it.
You Atheists need to convince us non-Atheists that
you respect us every bit as much as you Atheists
respect your fellow Atheists. You need to say it.
Otherwise, we non-Atheists are liable to get the
idea that you Atheists don't respect us non-Atheists
as your intellectual *equals*. If you give us that
impression, then, of course, you'll earn nil respect
from us in return. That's how it works: *Reciprocity*.
You can start by *stop* talking down to non-Atheists.
And *stop* forcing Atheism as the de facto official
religion in all of America's public schools in all
50 States of the Union. Our children deserve to hear
other, non-Atheistic points of view in the classroom,
in addition to the orthodox Atheistic points of view.
America's children deserve vastly more respect than
what you Atheist-only-ests have been showing them.
Thus, I understand just *exactly* what you, and your
fellow Atheists, believe in. Thanks for sharing your
personal view of the Atheistic religion with the rest
of us who, each for our own, personal reasons, do not
always believe in the same things you Atheists believe
in...sometimes our views overlap, sometimes they don't.
'Better get used to it. The theory of Intelligent Design,
"ID", is coming soon to an intellectual theatre of combat
near you, especially now that we've seized control over
all three branches of the U.S. Federal Government! Rest
assured, our conservative-dominated U.S. Supreme Court
will force the issue, and shall make teaching the theory
of 'ID' alongside the gospel 'According to Charles Darwin'
mandatory. Any teachers who don't like it will soon find
themselves standing in the unemployment line. :-D
Enjoy!
Daniel Joseph Min
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| User: "PagCal" |
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| Title: Re: What Evolution Really Is (pantheism) |
29 May 2006 12:01:59 AM |
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Oh, I get it. In other words, to state things more
clearly for everybody else reading in this thread, in
your personal opinion, the particular group of people
who believe in the devoutly-held 20th-century theory of
evolution (better known as Atheists), those people
collectively believe that DNA cannot be changed at
will; exactly *whose* will is conspicuously unspecified
in your theory, but we civilized people can agree to
disagree. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion is
good for all truly free-thinking people. Don't you agree?
Further, the theory of evolution does not speak to whether there is a
God or not, and so therefore doesn't speak to the questions of atheisism.
Freedom of speach has nothing to do with the theory of evolution.
Freedom of religion has nothing to do with the theory of evolution.
You seem mightly confused about what the theory of evolution is and isn't.
'Better get used to it. The theory of Intelligent Design,
"ID", is coming soon to an intellectual theatre of combat
near you, especially now that we've seized control over
all three branches of the U.S. Federal Government! Rest
assured, our conservative-dominated U.S. Supreme Court
will force the issue, and shall make teaching the theory
of 'ID' alongside the gospel 'According to Charles Darwin'
mandatory. Any teachers who don't like it will soon find
themselves standing in the unemployment line. :-D
Now we're coming down to the nub of it - You spoke before of freedom of
thought and expression and how it's wonderful, but we see now that you
want instead to take this away from society and replace it instead with
your particular brand of dogma - and do so by force.
Not only are you ignorant of the theory of evolution, but, underneath,
you're a member of some sort of thought control cult.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: What Evolution Really Is (pantheism) |
27 May 2006 02:07:43 PM |
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Daniel Joseph Min wrote:
<snip>
'Better get used to it. The theory of Intelligent Design,
"ID", is coming soon to an intellectual theatre of combat
near you, especially now that we've seized control over
all three branches of the U.S. Federal Government! Rest
assured, our conservative-dominated U.S. Supreme Court
will force the issue, and shall make teaching the theory
of 'ID' alongside the gospel 'According to Charles Darwin'
mandatory. Any teachers who don't like it will soon find
themselves standing in the unemployment line. :-D
In other words you want science by law.
I'm all in favor of that.
Pi = 3, Lamark was right, and outlaw the idea that there is "pink" in
titration.
How about making the mile shorter so we get better milage and can save money
at the pumps?
Better yet, rule that Lee's over-energy devices work and we can stop paying
our utility bills.
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: What Evolution Really Is (pantheism) |
27 May 2006 12:01:38 PM |
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Daniel Joseph Min wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2006, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
Evolution wants you to believe that creatures can change their own DNA
and respond to the environment around them at will. Who is behind this
intelligent adaptation (what power at work)? The creature itself.
The theory of evolution does not believe DNA can be changed at will.
Further, the theory of evolution does not believe change is 'intelligent
adaptation'. Some changes continue because they give offspring a better
chance of survival and reproducing. Other changes don't continue as they
do just the opposite.
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Oh, I get it. In other words, to state things more
clearly for everybody else reading in this thread, in
your personal opinion, the particular group of people
who believe in the devoutly-held 20th-century theory of
evolution (better known as Atheists), those people
collectively believe that DNA cannot be changed at
will; exactly *whose* will is conspicuously unspecified
in your theory, but we civilized people can agree to
disagree. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion is
good for all truly free-thinking people. Don't you agree?
"Whose will?" Why is a "will" necessary to have evolution? You would
think that if there was Hand-of-God will in evolution we would evolve in
to something more Jesus- or even God-like. But how many Christians
supported and still support the killing of people in our name regardless
of justification? How many Christians think that the root of all good
is money? How many Christians lie to the people and then lie to
themselves regarding obvious lies from so-called Christian leaders. Why
do so-called Christian leaders support assassinating and killing people?
If I met God on the road, I would kill him (Old Buddhist Saying).
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: What Evolution Really Is (pantheism) |
27 May 2006 02:34:14 PM |
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"Dave" <a@b.com> wrote in message
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Daniel Joseph Min wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2006, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
Evolution wants you to believe that creatures can change their own DNA
and respond to the environment around them at will. Who is behind this
intelligent adaptation (what power at work)? The creature itself.
The theory of evolution does not believe DNA can be changed at will.
Further, the theory of evolution does not believe change is 'intelligent
adaptation'. Some changes continue because they give offspring a better
chance of survival and reproducing. Other changes don't continue as they
do just the opposite.
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Oh, I get it. In other words, to state things more
clearly for everybody else reading in this thread, in
your personal opinion, the particular group of people
who believe in the devoutly-held 20th-century theory of
evolution (better known as Atheists),
Nice try. But trying to slip in a religion-related/affiliated phrase (i.e.,
'devoutly-held') is unbecoming. Atheism, as you should well know, is *not* a
'religion' and has nothing at all to *do* with religion. At best, one could
argue that atheists, who aren't in the *least* bit religious, try to point
out that there isn't even the eensiest, teensiest, weensiest bit of proof
that any sort of deity -- most commonly referred to as, 'God' -- exists
(except in the imagination and minds of feeble-minded hard-heads who insist
'He' does and contend that 'faith' in his existence is enough 'proof' to
carry the day). Dude, atheists aren't 'devout' anything!
those people
collectively believe that DNA cannot be changed at
will; exactly *whose* will is conspicuously unspecified
in your theory,
One would naturally assume one's *own* will.
but we civilized
??? You've got to be kidding. Yes, Christianity has produced incredibly
gifted an marveleous people -- including some of the best scientists in
history. You couldn't count them all. But there has been, and continues to
be an arm of Christianity that is anti-science, anti-intellectual, and
breeds intolerance, hate, violence and bigotry -- where any under-handed,
deceiftul, dishonest, despicable, and even sometimes, criminal behavior --
is deemed permissable so long as it somehow 'benefits' the 'faith'.
Sufficed to say, it was a group of 'civilized' Christians who ended up
putting one William Tyndale to death (by being *burned* at the stake) in
1536. His crimes? Translating the bible into English was the primary one.
Civilized? Civilized, my *****! How many people have been needlessly tortured
and brutalized, and then put to death by so-called 'civilized' Christians?
Huh? How many?
Oh, as for Tyndale: his 'sinful' 'translation of the bible into English
eventually became the basis for the 'King James Bible' (Well, hell, maybe he
should have been 'torched', *after* all! -- I'm KIDDING!!!) and made up a
signignificant portion of the 'Revised Version' as well. And then there's
the destruction of the irreplaceable 'Library of Alexandria' in the
5th-Century. And then there's the slaughter of ...
people can agree to
disagree.
Well now you're talkin'. That's right. We can agree to disagree. But I would
add that we atheists don't try starting each classroom day with some type of
'Hymn to Atheism' or knock on people's doors, trying to spread the 'Good
News of the Truth of Atheism' or something silly like that. Why don't you
people knock it off with the 'We're trying to save your soul' malarkey. Many
people truly resent the 'help' you people *insist* on regurgitating (ooops,
I meant to say, 'lavishing') on us.
Freedom of speech and freedom of religion is
good for all truly free-thinking people. Don't you agree?
You're darn tootin'!
"Whose will?" Why is a "will" necessary to have evolution? You would
think that if there was Hand-of-God will in evolution we would evolve in
to something more Jesus- or even God-like. But how many Christians
supported and still support the killing of people in our name regardless
of justification?
Its impossible to know, but the 'toll' keeps rising by the day. That I know.
How many Christians think that the root of all good
is money?
Well, hell. Isn't that a sign to many a Christian that 'God' is
'blessing'/'rewarding' an individual for his or hers unflagging devotion to
his Almighty-ness?
How many Christians lie to the people and then lie to
themselves regarding obvious lies from so-called Christian leaders.
You'll *start* to get an approximate answer to that question when you begin
interviewing Pat Robertson and his 'posse'. Then drop by and check in with
about twenty or more money-sucking 'prime-time' TV evangelists and *their*
followers. *That* ammount, I can assure you, will only be the 'tip of the
iceberg' as to how many Christians 'lie to the people and then lie to
themselves regarding obvious lies from so-called Christian leaders'.
Why
do so-called Christian leaders support assassinating and killing people?
Don't you know? Because those unfortunates had the audacity to believe that
'God' exists only in certain people's imagination, or that they embrace a
non-Chrisian religion, or that they don't adhere to someone's particular
*brand* of Christianity. That's reason enought to kill and torture these
non-conformists and infidels, isn't it? I don't see much of an outcry when
Christians start killing people in the name of 'God'.
If I met God on the road, I would kill him (Old Buddhist Saying).
Thank GOD he doesn't exist! (Said with my tongue firmly planted in my
'devoutly' atheist cheek.)
Greywolf
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| User: "-Alan aa#1608 BAAWA" |
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| Title: Re: What Evolution Really Is (pantheism) |
27 May 2006 02:52:48 PM |
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I would comment, but Min has aptly demonstrated over the years that he
is impervious to logical argument. So, what's the point?
-Alan
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: What Evolution Really Is (pantheism) |
27 May 2006 01:41:55 PM |
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In article <LT8AJ4LQ38864.4903935185@twistycreek.com> Daniel Joseph Min <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:
On Sat, 27 May 2006, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
Evolution wants you to believe that creatures can change their own DNA
and respond to the environment around them at will. Who is behind this
intelligent adaptation (what power at work)? The creature itself.
The theory of evolution does not believe DNA can be changed at will.
Further, the theory of evolution does not believe change is 'intelligent
adaptation'. Some changes continue because they give offspring a better
chance of survival and reproducing. Other changes don't continue as they
do just the opposite.
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Oh, I get it. In other words, to state things more
clearly for everybody else reading in this thread, in
your personal opinion, the particular group of people
who believe in the devoutly-held 20th-century theory of
evolution (better known as Atheists),
Around 45% of biologists believe in God.
Around 99+% of biologists acknowledge the explanatory
and unitive power of the theory of evolution.
I'm sure you meant to write "(better known as educated)"
-- cary
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: What Evolution Really Is (pantheism) |
27 May 2006 01:01:45 PM |
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On 27 May 2006 15:46:10 -0000, in alt.atheism , Daniel Joseph Min
<Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> in
<LT8AJ4LQ38864.4903935185@twistycreek.com> wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2006, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
Evolution wants you to believe that creatures can change their own DNA
and respond to the environment around them at will. Who is behind this
intelligent adaptation (what power at work)? The creature itself.
The theory of evolution does not believe DNA can be changed at will.
Further, the theory of evolution does not believe change is 'intelligent
adaptation'. Some changes continue because they give offspring a better
chance of survival and reproducing. Other changes don't continue as they
do just the opposite.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Oh, I get it. In other words, to state things more
clearly for everybody else reading in this thread, in
your personal opinion, the particular group of people
who believe in the devoutly-held 20th-century theory of
evolution (better known as Atheists),
Who knows them as "Atheists"? I know evangelical Christians who accept
evolution, who even research the topic. I know atheists who reject it.
those people
collectively believe that DNA cannot be changed at
will; exactly *whose* will is conspicuously unspecified
in your theory, but we civilized people can agree to
disagree. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion is
good for all truly free-thinking people. Don't you agree?
But of course, we who believe in God (each in our own
personal, and collective, ways) naturally believe that
with God -- hence according to God's perfect will and
His Universal Law -- *all* things are possible. You
Atheists, on the other hand, by stark contrast, you
apparently believe that all things are not possible
with God, or more to the point, that "nothing" is
possible with God, since you Atheists devoutly believe
that there is no God, or Gods, by the strictest
dictionary definition of the word "Atheism".
A better way to state that is that an atheist would hold that "all
things are possible with God" is a meaningless statement, one that
does not refer to anything in the world. Oh, and so would plenty of
theists, not all theists are Christians.
And
that's fine. We devout non-Atheists, Theists etc., we
properly respect you Atheists' right to believe and
worship however you choose, just as long as you're not
breaking any laws of the land, of course. We believe
that every law-abiding citizen is entitled to his or
her own opinion, even Atheists like you. We of course
require *exactly* equal respect in return from you
Atheists. And we need to hear you say it and mean it.
You Atheists need to convince us non-Atheists that
you respect us every bit as much as you Atheists
respect your fellow Atheists. You need to say it.
Otherwise, we non-Atheists are liable to get the
idea that you Atheists don't respect us non-Atheists
as your intellectual *equals*. If you give us that
impression, then, of course, you'll earn nil respect
from us in return. That's how it works: *Reciprocity*.
It is difficult to accept as my intellectual equal someone who equates
acceptance of evolution with atheism.
You can start by *stop* talking down to non-Atheists.
And *stop* forcing Atheism as the de facto official
religion in all of America's public schools in all
50 States of the Union.
What specific changes would you make to do that?
Our children deserve to hear
other, non-Atheistic points of view in the classroom,
Such as? Hindu creation stories in physics?
in addition to the orthodox Atheistic points of view.
No such thing. Again, it is hard to accept you as my intellectual
equal when you argue like that.
America's children deserve vastly more respect than
what you Atheist-only-ests have been showing them.
Is it acceptable for the public schools to promote Christianity?
Thus, I understand just *exactly* what you, and your
fellow Atheists, believe in. Thanks for sharing your
personal view of the Atheistic religion with the rest
of us who, each for our own, personal reasons, do not
always believe in the same things you Atheists believe
in...sometimes our views overlap, sometimes they don't.
'Better get used to it. The theory of Intelligent Design,
"ID", is coming soon to an intellectual theatre of combat
near you,
Where are the biology experiments based on ID? Where are the
scientific papers? Where are the proposals for experiments? In fact,
other than school boards, high schools, and courts, what "intellectual
theater" has seen IC?
especially now that we've seized control over
all three branches of the U.S. Federal Government! Rest
assured, our conservative-dominated U.S. Supreme Court
will force the issue, and shall make teaching the theory
of 'ID' alongside the gospel 'According to Charles Darwin'
mandatory. Any teachers who don't like it will soon find
themselves standing in the unemployment line. :-D
Was I just trolled?
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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27 May 2006 02:27:34 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Daniel Joseph Min in episode
<LT8AJ4LQ38864.4903935185@twistycreek.com>...
'Better get used to it. The theory of Intelligent Design, "ID", is coming
soon to an intellectual theatre of combat near you, especially now that
we've seized control over all three branches of the U.S. Federal
Government! Rest assured, our conservative-dominated U.S. Supreme Court
will force the issue, and shall make teaching the theory of 'ID' alongside
the gospel 'According to Charles Darwin' mandatory. Any teachers who don't
like it will soon find themselves standing in the unemployment line. :-D
Proving the point that ID isn't science and must be imposed by force...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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