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"Not-Easily-Duped" |
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01 Sep 2006 02:58:25 PM |
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Re: What Is a Christian? |
duke wrote:
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 08:59:18 -0700, (IKnowHimDoYou- A.)
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What Is a Christian?
A Christian is one who has placed their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and
Him alone. The name Christian is used only three times in Scripture (Acts
11:26; Acts 26:28; I Peter 4:16) and is a Gentile description for
believers. In the Greek it is in the demunitive form meaning "little
Christ".
That's pretty weak. A Christian believes that God became man. Who is Jesus
Christ if not God become man. If that were not true, then the Jews would be
right - that Jesus is just another prophet. Also A Christian believes in the
Holy Trinity, that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one, one God
indivisible in 3 persons.
This is not the definition that those who coined the word had in mind.
You must remember that the word Christian was coined by the pagans in
Antioch
as a derogatory term against the persecuted who had fled Jerusalem
during
the time of persecution. The persecuted only sin was
that Jesus was the Prophet-Messiah/Christ that the Torah of Moses
foretold while
The Jewish stablishment who persecuted them thought that Jesus could
not be the
Messiah/Christ because unlike Moses, he died on the cross like
a CRIMINAL. Deut 18:14-19
It is the derogatory meaning given by the pagans to Christians that
Peter has in mind
when he told the believers not to be offended when name callers call
them Christians.
So basically Christian simply means according to the original intent,
the one
who follow Jesus as the Christ/Messiah of Israel as opposed to the
Jews who rejected
him as a soothsayer.
Following the meaning given by the pagans, the Muslims too are
Christian
as It is written:
"Say O God, "We follow the Messenger/Christ, the Prophet of the
Gentiles that we found
described in the Law/Torah and the Gospel."
Note Gospel and not Gospels
Becoming a Christian is a definite act of purpose and intent. The work of
salvation is on God's part entirely and is called grace (unmerited favor
of God to man). Salvation takes place instantaneously when one who is
being called by the Holy Spirit of God accepts the free gift. At this
point one is considered saved resulting in:
1. The guilt of all sins is removed, paid for by Christ once for all (Eph 1:7).
Guilt maybe, but not eternal punishment or temporal punishment.
Ephesians 1:7 (New International Version)
7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in
accordance with the riches of God's grace
In him, yes, but not if we continue to sin. Heb 10:26-27.
2. They are taken out of Adam's condemnation, and placed in Christ and His
righteousness and justified being adopted into the family of God and given
eternal life (Romans 6:4, 7:6).
Being taken out of Adam's condemnation happens in Christian baptism.
3. They are given, by God, a new standing and made a new creature with a
new standard of living (I Cor 5:17).
A Christian is not one made acceptable to God by doing certain things
such as being baptized,
You're wrong - quit misleading those that don't understand.
John 3:5-6 (New International Version)
5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God
unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the
Spirit[a] gives birth to spirit.
attending a church, saying prayers, being born
into a religious family or any other sort of works (Eph 2:8,9).
Correct.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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02 Sep 2006 05:27:33 PM |
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Not-Easily-Duped a =E9crit :
So basically Christian simply means according to the original intent,
the one who follow Jesus as the Christ/Messiah of Israel as opposed to t=
he
Jews who rejected him as a soothsayer. Following the meaning given by the
pagans, the Muslims too are Christian
So Bin Laden was a Christian ?
Who decided that he had to change its faith ?
I'm confused... not even sure anymore that Bin Laden is a human...
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03 Sep 2006 01:24:54 PM |
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Codebreaker@bigsecret.com Not-Easily-Duped a =E9crit :
So basically Christian simply means according to the original intent,
the one who follow Jesus as the Christ/Messiah of Israel as opposed to=
the
Jews who rejected him as a soothsayer. Following the meaning given by =
the
pagans, the Muslims too are Christian
So Bin Laden was a Christian ?
Who decided that he had to change its faith ?
I'm confused... not even sure anymore that Bin Laden is a human...
I am not trying to confuse you any further, But If you take away the
Hadthic Islam
that is to say the Islam based on hadiths, arbitrary saying that the
Arabians propgandists put in Mohammad's mouth, you would be left
with the Quranic Islam which is nothing but an arabized version of the
Hebraic
Islamic, that is to say the Christianity of Jerusalem before Paul's
Christianity.
But as you know Bin Laden follow the Hadithic Islam, Islam of
Propagandas and perversion
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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03 Sep 2006 05:32:18 PM |
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"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1157307894.282174.88780@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
hasta_l3@hotmail.com wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com Not-Easily-Duped a écrit :
So basically Christian simply means according to the original intent,
the one who follow Jesus as the Christ/Messiah of Israel as opposed to
the
Jews who rejected him as a soothsayer. Following the meaning given by
the
pagans, the Muslims too are Christian
So Bin Laden was a Christian ?
Who decided that he had to change its faith ?
I'm confused... not even sure anymore that Bin Laden is a human...
I am not trying to confuse you any further, But If you take away the
Hadthic Islam
that is to say the Islam based on hadiths, arbitrary saying that the
Arabians propgandists put in Mohammad's mouth, you would be left
with the Quranic Islam which is nothing but an arabized version of the
Hebraic
Islamic, that is to say the Christianity of Jerusalem before Paul's
Christianity.
But as you know Bin Laden follow the Hadithic Islam, Islam of
Propagandas and perversion
The Cow:
Divorce may be pronounced twice, then a woman must be retained in honour or
allowed to go with kindness.
Direct contradiction to Jesus' teaching in the gospels.
You won't be able to produce any firm evidence of an early Christian
community that practised divorce. However you can of course claim that this
was the tradition of the Jerusalemite Chrisitians before that nasty man St
Paul came along, because the Hebraic Islamic Jerusalem community is a pure
fantasy. Then some nasty Arab did the same thing to Mohammed as St Paul had
done to Jesus. So there is no Quranic Islam religion left either, and the
evidence is conveniently hidden away.
--
www.personal.leeds.ac.uk/~bgy1mm
freeware games to download.
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03 Sep 2006 05:59:01 PM |
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Malcolm wrote:
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1157307894.282174.88780@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
hasta_l3@hotmail.com wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com Not-Easily-Duped a =E9crit :
So basically Christian simply means according to the original intent,
the one who follow Jesus as the Christ/Messiah of Israel as opposed =
to
the
Jews who rejected him as a soothsayer. Following the meaning given by
the
pagans, the Muslims too are Christian
So Bin Laden was a Christian ?
Who decided that he had to change its faith ?
I'm confused... not even sure anymore that Bin Laden is a human...
I am not trying to confuse you any further, But If you take away the
Hadthic Islam
that is to say the Islam based on hadiths, arbitrary saying that the
Arabians propgandists put in Mohammad's mouth, you would be left
with the Quranic Islam which is nothing but an arabized version of the
Hebraic
Islamic, that is to say the Christianity of Jerusalem before Paul's
Christianity.
But as you know Bin Laden follow the Hadithic Islam, Islam of
Propagandas and perversion
The Cow:
Divorce may be pronounced twice, then a woman must be retained in honour =
or
allowed to go with kindness.
Direct contradiction to Jesus' teaching in the gospels.
Where is the contradiction. Are you saying that Paul's teaching on
when is a divorce is permitted is also in contradiction with Jesus'
teaching?
You won't be able to produce any firm evidence of an early Christian
community that practised divorce. However you can of course claim that th=
is
was the tradition of the Jerusalemite Chrisitians before that nasty man St
Paul came along, because the Hebraic Islamic Jerusalem community is a pure
fantasy. Then some nasty Arab did the same thing to Mohammed as St Paul h=
ad
done to Jesus. So there is no Quranic Islam religion left either, and the
evidence is conveniently hidden away.
--=20
www.personal.leeds.ac.uk/~bgy1mm
freeware games to download.
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03 Sep 2006 06:10:40 PM |
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Malcolm wrote:
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1157307894.282174.88780@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
hasta_l3@hotmail.com wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com Not-Easily-Duped a =E9crit :
So basically Christian simply means according to the original intent,
the one who follow Jesus as the Christ/Messiah of Israel as opposed =
to
the
Jews who rejected him as a soothsayer. Following the meaning given by
the
pagans, the Muslims too are Christian
So Bin Laden was a Christian ?
Who decided that he had to change its faith ?
I'm confused... not even sure anymore that Bin Laden is a human...
I am not trying to confuse you any further, But If you take away the
Hadthic Islam
that is to say the Islam based on hadiths, arbitrary saying that the
Arabians propgandists put in Mohammad's mouth, you would be left
with the Quranic Islam which is nothing but an arabized version of the
Hebraic
Islamic, that is to say the Christianity of Jerusalem before Paul's
Christianity.
But as you know Bin Laden follow the Hadithic Islam, Islam of
Propagandas and perversion
The Cow:
Divorce may be pronounced twice, then a woman must be retained in honour =
or
allowed to go with kindness.
This is the Law of Moses being interpreted in a pagan setting.
Which made my point that the Hebrews Christians would die to
protect the validity of Moses Law
Direct contradiction to Jesus' teaching in the gospels.
The Hebrews Christians never thought that every saying put in
Jesus'mouth
was genuine. They knew any better.
They did not probably believe in the gentiles Canon of Jesus' saying
the saying that you have just quoted is only Canonical for the
Gentiles
You won't be able to produce any firm evidence of an early Christian
community that practised divorce. However you can of course claim that th=
is
was the tradition of the Jerusalemite Chrisitians before that nasty man St
Paul came along, because the Hebraic Islamic Jerusalem community is a pure
fantasy. Then some nasty Arab did the same thing to Mohammed as St Paul h=
ad
done to Jesus. So there is no Quranic Islam religion left either, and the
evidence is conveniently hidden away.
Jesus Himself does not know about the word Christian and the pagans
who
coined the word did not define it in relation to DIVORCE, so
I failed to see your contention.
The word Christian according to the Bible means, the one who confesses
Jesus AS CHRIST and follow Him, hence the word CHRIST-IAN,
as opposed to the Jews who persecuted his disciples and spread the
rumor that Christ had not come yet and that Jesus was not the CHRIST.
Simple as that.
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03 Sep 2006 02:03:12 PM |
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a =E9crit :
hasta_l3@hotmail.com wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com Not-Easily-Duped a =E9crit :
So basically Christian simply means according to the original intent,
the one who follow Jesus as the Christ/Messiah of Israel as opposed =
to the
Jews who rejected him as a soothsayer. Following the meaning given b=
y the
pagans, the Muslims too are Christian
So Bin Laden was a Christian ?
Who decided that he had to change its faith ?
I'm confused... not even sure anymore that Bin Laden is a human...
I am not trying to confuse you any further, but... [interesting stuff sn=
ipped]
I'm sorry but I'm still confused...
Muslims were not Christians. Now they are.
When did that mass conversion to christianism happen ?
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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03 Sep 2006 02:23:39 PM |
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<hasta_l3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
I'm sorry but I'm still confused...
Muslims were not Christians. Now they are.
When did that mass conversion to christianism happen ?
It didn't.
It's just more of codebrokens particular brand of seductive Babylonian
*****.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
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| User: "Paul Ransom Erickson" |
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11 Sep 2006 03:51:39 AM |
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On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:23:39 -0500, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
<Yeickleberrybooks@comcast.net> wrote:
<hasta_l3@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1157310192.573021.225660@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
I'm sorry but I'm still confused...
Muslims were not Christians. Now they are.
When did that mass conversion to christianism happen ?
It didn't.
It's just more of codebrokens particular brand of seductive Babylonian
*****.
Hey, It's ***** alright -- but at least it might possibly make some
other bullshitters think a little harder than they're used to doing.
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03 Sep 2006 05:22:32 PM |
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codebreaker@bigsecret.com a =E9crit :
wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com Not-Easily-Duped a =E9crit :
So basically Christian simply means according to the original inten=
t,
the one who follow Jesus as the Christ/Messiah of Israel as oppose=
d to the
Jews who rejected him as a soothsayer. Following the meaning given=
by the
pagans, the Muslims too are Christian
So Bin Laden was a Christian ?
Who decided that he had to change its faith ?
I'm confused... not even sure anymore that Bin Laden is a human...
I am not trying to confuse you any further, but... [interesting stuff =
snipped]
I'm sorry but I'm still confused...
Muslims were not Christians. Now they are.
When did that mass conversion to christianism happen ?
Muslims were not Christians? You did not get that from me so I am not
going to answer that.
Get back to me when you get the premise correct.
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04 Sep 2006 12:27:54 PM |
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a =E9crit :
I'm sorry but I'm still confused...
Muslims were not Christians. Now they are.
When did that mass conversion to christianism happen ?
Muslims were not Christians? You did not get that from me so I am not
going to answer that.
Get back to me when you get the premise correct.
Well... forget it, Codebreaker.
I was trying to play with Muslims the same game that you played with
Pluto, to pinpoint that a change in definition doesnt change anything
to the underlying reality.
But I failed miserably :-)
Thanks for interesting stuff, though
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02 Sep 2006 08:57:06 PM |
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Not-Easily-Duped wrote:
duke wrote:
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 08:59:18 -0700, (IKnowHimD=
oYou- A.)
wrote:
What Is a Christian?
Main Entry: 1Chris=B7tian
Pronunciation: 'kris-ch&n, 'krish-
Function: noun
1=2E A human being beset with several neuroses, including but not limited
to:
self-hatred, bigotry, irrational fear, irrational thought processes,
denial of reality, and diarrhea of the mouth.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
"=2E.the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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01 Sep 2006 10:59:12 PM |
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Not-Easily-Duped wrote:
duke wrote:
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 08:59:18 -0700, (IKnowHimDoYou- A.)
wrote:
What Is a Christian?
A Christian is one who has placed their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and
Him alone. The name Christian is used only three times in Scripture (Acts
11:26; Acts 26:28; I Peter 4:16) and is a Gentile description for
believers. In the Greek it is in the demunitive form meaning "little
Christ".
That's pretty weak. A Christian believes that God became man. Who is Jesus
Christ if not God become man. If that were not true, then the Jews would be
right - that Jesus is just another prophet. Also A Christian believes in the
Holy Trinity, that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one, one God
indivisible in 3 persons.
This is not the definition that those who coined the word had in mind.
That's what I hate about you "scientists", always redefining words. For
me, "christians" will always refer to people who follow "jesus' love"
and wage wars to show it.
Olrik
<snipped for brevity, among other things>
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02 Sep 2006 03:10:42 PM |
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Olrik wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com Not-Easily-Duped wrote:
duke wrote:
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 08:59:18 -0700, (IKnowHimDoYou- A.)
wrote:
What Is a Christian?
A Christian is one who has placed their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and
Him alone. The name Christian is used only three times in Scripture (Acts
11:26; Acts 26:28; I Peter 4:16) and is a Gentile description for
believers. In the Greek it is in the demunitive form meaning "little
Christ".
That's pretty weak. A Christian believes that God became man. Who is Jesus
Christ if not God become man. If that were not true, then the Jews would be
right - that Jesus is just another prophet. Also A Christian believes in the
Holy Trinity, that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one, one God
indivisible in 3 persons.
This is not the definition that those who coined the word had in mind.
That's what I hate about you "scientists", always redefining words. For
me, "christians" will always refer to people who follow "jesus' love"
and wage wars to show it.
Since you did not create the word christian, why should I care what
you think
it means?
These are people who brag about how smart or intellectually inclined
they are.
Is this the way you have been taught to analyze a document?
If it is not the biblical definition, it is ARBITRARY. I even wonder
If you know
what ARBITRARY means.
Olrik
<snipped for brevity, among other things>
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02 Sep 2006 10:22:45 PM |
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Olrik wrote:
Not-Easily-Duped wrote:
duke wrote:
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 08:59:18 -0700, (IKnowHimDoYou- A.)
wrote:
What Is a Christian?
A Christian is one who has placed their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and
Him alone. The name Christian is used only three times in Scripture (Acts
11:26; Acts 26:28; I Peter 4:16) and is a Gentile description for
believers. In the Greek it is in the demunitive form meaning "little
Christ".
That's pretty weak. A Christian believes that God became man. Who is Jesus
Christ if not God become man. If that were not true, then the Jews would be
right - that Jesus is just another prophet. Also A Christian believes in the
Holy Trinity, that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one, one God
indivisible in 3 persons.
This is not the definition that those who coined the word had in mind.
That's what I hate about you "scientists", always redefining words. For
me, "christians" will always refer to people who follow "jesus' love"
and wage wars to show it.
Since you did not create the word christian, why should I care what
you think
it means?
I don't require you to care. I posted an opinion based on history.
These are people who brag about how smart or intellectually inclined
they are.
Is this the way you have been taught to analyze a document?
What "way" would that be? You make no sense, as usual.
If it is not the biblical definition, it is ARBITRARY. I even wonder
If you know
what ARBITRARY means.
Of course, but non sequitur anyway.
Olrik
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03 Sep 2006 01:29:18 PM |
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wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:
Olrik wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com Not-Easily-Duped wrote:
duke wrote:
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 08:59:18 -0700, (IKnowHimDoYou- A.)
wrote:
What Is a Christian?
A Christian is one who has placed their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and
Him alone. The name Christian is used only three times in Scripture (Acts
11:26; Acts 26:28; I Peter 4:16) and is a Gentile description for
believers. In the Greek it is in the demunitive form meaning "little
Christ".
That's pretty weak. A Christian believes that God became man. Who is Jesus
Christ if not God become man. If that were not true, then the Jews would be
right - that Jesus is just another prophet. Also A Christian believes in the
Holy Trinity, that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one, one God
indivisible in 3 persons.
This is not the definition that those who coined the word had in mind.
That's what I hate about you "scientists", always redefining words. For
me, "christians" will always refer to people who follow "jesus' love"
and wage wars to show it.
Since you did not create the word christian, why should I care what
you think
it means?
I don't require you to care. I posted an opinion based on history.
These are people who brag about how smart or intellectually inclined
they are.
Is this the way you have been taught to analyze a document?
What "way" would that be? You make no sense, as usual.
If it is not the biblical definition, it is ARBITRARY. I even wonder
If you know
what ARBITRARY means.
Of course, but non sequitur anyway.
I am no linguist, but I know that the person who coines a word is the
one who sets
the definition. If I want a planet to mean this, this is what is going
to mean If the word
originate from me.
Common sense
Olrik
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03 Sep 2006 10:24:25 PM |
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wrote:
olrik666@gmail.com wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:
Olrik wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com Not-Easily-Duped wrote:
duke wrote:
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 08:59:18 -0700, (IKnowHimDoYou- A.)
wrote:
What Is a Christian?
A Christian is one who has placed their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and
Him alone. The name Christian is used only three times in Scripture (Acts
11:26; Acts 26:28; I Peter 4:16) and is a Gentile description for
believers. In the Greek it is in the demunitive form meaning "little
Christ".
That's pretty weak. A Christian believes that God became man. Who is Jesus
Christ if not God become man. If that were not true, then the Jews would be
right - that Jesus is just another prophet. Also A Christian believes in the
Holy Trinity, that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one, one God
indivisible in 3 persons.
This is not the definition that those who coined the word had in mind.
That's what I hate about you "scientists", always redefining words. For
me, "christians" will always refer to people who follow "jesus' love"
and wage wars to show it.
Since you did not create the word christian, why should I care what
you think
it means?
I don't require you to care. I posted an opinion based on history.
These are people who brag about how smart or intellectually inclined
they are.
Is this the way you have been taught to analyze a document?
What "way" would that be? You make no sense, as usual.
If it is not the biblical definition, it is ARBITRARY. I even wonder
If you know
what ARBITRARY means.
Of course, but non sequitur anyway.
I am no linguist, but I know that the person who coines a word is the
one who sets
the definition. If I want a planet to mean this, this is what is going
to mean If the word
originate from me.
Common sense
The meaning, usage and definitions of a lot of words evolve over time.
There's nothing you can do about it.
Olrik
Olrik
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04 Sep 2006 06:51:12 AM |
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I am no linguist, but I know that the person who coines a word is the
one who sets
the definition. If I want a planet to mean this, this is what is going
to mean If the word
originate from me.
Common sense
The meaning, usage and definitions of a lot of words evolve over time.
There's nothing you can do about it.
But not the meaning of the word Christian which is fixed in the
canonical writing.
As long as the BIBLE is the guiding,,,
Olrik
Olrik
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03 Sep 2006 01:07:11 PM |
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On 2 Sep 2006 13:10:42 -0700, wrote:
Since you did not create the word christian, why should I care what
you think it means?
And why would I care what you think it means? I know what it means.
These are people who brag about how smart or intellectually inclined
they are.
Yeah, but you're not one of them.
Is this the way you have been taught to analyze a document?
If it is not the biblical definition, it is ARBITRARY. I even wonder
If you know
what ARBITRARY means.
You sure don't, early doughtery.
Olrik
<snipped for brevity, among other things>
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
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03 Sep 2006 01:34:18 PM |
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duke wrote:
On 2 Sep 2006 13:10:42 -0700, wrote:
Since you did not create the word christian, why should I care what
you think it means?
And why would I care what you think it means? I know what it means.
What you think it means is arbitray and baseless. NO SCHOLAR SHOULD
FOLLOW YOUR DEFINITION... But anyway, are still Scholars out there?
These are people who brag about how smart or intellectually inclined
they are.
Yeah, but you're not one of them.
Is this the way you have been taught to analyze a document?
If it is not the biblical definition, it is ARBITRARY. I even wonder
If you know
what ARBITRARY means.
You sure don't, early doughtery.
Olrik
<snipped for brevity, among other things>
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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02 Sep 2006 12:33:01 AM |
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Olrik wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com Not-Easily-Duped wrote:
duke wrote:
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 08:59:18 -0700, (IKnowHimDoYou- A.)
wrote:
What Is a Christian?
A Christian is one who has placed their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and
Him alone. The name Christian is used only three times in Scripture (Acts
11:26; Acts 26:28; I Peter 4:16) and is a Gentile description for
believers. In the Greek it is in the demunitive form meaning "little
Christ".
That's pretty weak. A Christian believes that God became man. Who is Jesus
Christ if not God become man. If that were not true, then the Jews would be
right - that Jesus is just another prophet. Also A Christian believes in the
Holy Trinity, that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one, one God
indivisible in 3 persons.
This is not the definition that those who coined the word had in mind.
That's what I hate about you "scientists", always redefining words. For
me, "christians" will always refer to people who follow "jesus' love"
and wage wars to show it.
What do you expect? We homo sapiens are instintivley inclined to club together for
safety, we have been doing it for millions of years, so we club together for safety in
religion, the imaginary gods are simply cement put there to hopefully bind the myth
together.
This inbuilt desire for protection has spawned ten of thousands of gods from the time
we could converse in simple phrases and not one of them is real. All that is real is
MAN and his instinct for self preservation and [ROFL] .............life everlasting !
Olrik
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| User: "duke" |
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01 Sep 2006 05:24:19 PM |
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On 1 Sep 2006 12:58:25 -0700, "Codebreaker@bigsecret.com Not-Easily-Duped"
What Is a Christian?
That's pretty weak. A Christian believes that God became man. Who is Jesus
Christ if not God become man. If that were not true, then the Jews would be
right - that Jesus is just another prophet. Also A Christian believes in the
Holy Trinity, that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one, one God
indivisible in 3 persons.
This is not the definition that those who coined the word had in mind.
You must remember that the word Christian was coined by the pagans in
Antioch as a derogatory term against the persecuted who had fled Jerusalem
during he time of persecution.
That was not the question. The question is "what is a Christian"? And
regardless if a pagan coined the word, the Christian is much more than he
ascribed to.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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01 Sep 2006 06:43:17 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3kchf2h3h2n177guoon06uaoqq6ka67mps@4ax.com...
On 1 Sep 2006 12:58:25 -0700, "Codebreaker@bigsecret.com
Not-Easily-Duped"
What Is a Christian?
That's pretty weak. A Christian believes that God became man. Who is
Jesus
Christ if not God become man. If that were not true, then the Jews
would be
right - that Jesus is just another prophet. Also A Christian believes
in the
Holy Trinity, that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one, one
God
indivisible in 3 persons.
This is not the definition that those who coined the word had in mind.
You must remember that the word Christian was coined by the pagans in
Antioch as a derogatory term against the persecuted who had fled Jerusalem
during he time of persecution.
That was not the question. The question is "what is a Christian"? And
regardless if a pagan coined the word, the Christian is much more than he
ascribed to.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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He or she is the perfect example of a human being who holds to a religious
belief that is totally untrue.
Greywolf
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| User: "" |
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02 Sep 2006 03:05:26 PM |
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Greywolf wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3kchf2h3h2n177guoon06uaoqq6ka67mps@4ax.com...
On 1 Sep 2006 12:58:25 -0700, "Codebreaker@bigsecret.com
Not-Easily-Duped"
What Is a Christian?
That's pretty weak. A Christian believes that God became man. Who is
Jesus
Christ if not God become man. If that were not true, then the Jews
would be
right - that Jesus is just another prophet. Also A Christian believes
in the
Holy Trinity, that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one, one
God
indivisible in 3 persons.
This is not the definition that those who coined the word had in mind.
You must remember that the word Christian was coined by the pagans in
Antioch as a derogatory term against the persecuted who had fled Jerusalem
during he time of persecution.
That was not the question. The question is "what is a Christian"? And
regardless if a pagan coined the word, the Christian is much more than he
ascribed to.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
He or she is the perfect example of a human being who holds to a religious
belief that is totally untrue.
I hold no religious beliefs, I am extracting THE TRUE HISTORY OF
christianity
from the Bible as opposed to those who take their Catholicism or
protestantism as the real Christianity. And whatever I say is
consistent with
the Scriptures unless you ever read them.
Do you really believe that the New Testament came before Christianity
or
Christianity came before the New Testament? Chritsianity was Hebraic
or Islamic If you would before Paul.
And why follow an arbitrary or theologically loaded definition, while
the textual
and original definition of the word is crystal clear?
Greywolf
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| User: "duke" |
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03 Sep 2006 12:23:28 PM |
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On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:43:17 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote:
He or she is the perfect example of a human being who holds to a religious
belief that is totally untrue.
Greywolf
That would be an atheist.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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01 Sep 2006 09:54:19 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet duke (duckgumbo32@cox.net)
made the light shine upon us with this:
That was not the question. The question is "what is a Christian"?
And your answer is one of the many possible answers, since there are
hundreds of different kinds of christian religions. Did you know that the
first christians did not believe "christ" was a man, that he was a
spiritual being? The "god born as a man" stuff didn't evolve for a hundred
years or so. You really should read some unbiased material about the
history and evolution of your religion. Or are you scared to?
http://www.jesuspuzzle.org/
I'm betting you won't make it past the first page, though.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Member: Intensional misspellingg club.
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| User: "duke" |
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03 Sep 2006 01:04:31 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:54:19 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet duke (duckgumbo32@cox.net)
made the light shine upon us with this:
That was not the question. The question is "what is a Christian"?
And your answer is one of the many possible answers, since there are
hundreds of different kinds of christian religions.
No there are not. A Christian professes the Lordship of Jesus, God become man.
One God, one concept, one Christianity.
Did you know that the
first christians did not believe "christ" was a man, that he was a
spiritual being?
Ob, but quite the contrary - the first Christians definitely and beyond doubt
knew that Jesus was a man.
The "god born as a man" stuff didn't evolve for a hundred
years or so. You really should read some unbiased material about the
history and evolution of your religion.
You mean like the **unbiased** earl doughtery?
You're a real funny little man.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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03 Sep 2006 02:32:54 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet duke (duckgumbo32@cox.net)
made the light shine upon us with this:
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:54:19 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet duke
(duckgumbo32@cox.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
That was not the question. The question is "what is a Christian"?
And your answer is one of the many possible answers, since there are
hundreds of different kinds of christian religions.
No there are not. A Christian professes the Lordship of Jesus, God
become man. One God, one concept, one Christianity.
Which one is the one Christianity?
Did you know that the
first christians did not believe "christ" was a man, that he was a
spiritual being?
Ob, but quite the contrary - the first Christians definitely and
beyond doubt knew that Jesus was a man.
The "god born as a man" stuff didn't evolve for a hundred
years or so. You really should read some unbiased material about the
history and evolution of your religion.
You mean like the **unbiased** earl doughtery?
You're a real funny little man.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Member: Intensional misspellingg club.
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| User: "" |
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03 Sep 2006 05:53:07 PM |
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(duckgumbo32@cox.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
That was not the question. The question is "what is a Christian"?
And your answer is one of the many possible answers, since there are
hundreds of different kinds of christian religions.
No there are not. A Christian professes the Lordship of Jesus, God
become man. One God, one concept, one Christianity.
Of course a christian professes the Lorship of Jesus, God became man.
but Jesus had to be Christ first before being Lord, Christ that Peter
and Stephen
said was fortold by Moses in the Torah. Hence the word Christian
So you see, your Doxology of God becoming man is just Pauline
doxology,
nothing else, which the Hebrews Christians opposed as reported in Acts
15.
And that exactely the point I am making:
That as reported in the Bible, there was in Jerusalem two forms of
Christianity
The Paulin form and the Hebraic form. The Paulin version had aversion
for the Law of Moses, the Hebraic version made Moses Law its
cornerstone
and opposed Paul on every line. Paul evolved into Catholicism and the
Hebraic version or Semitic version evolved into what we now know as
Islam.
Muslims therefore are Christian, the one who accepts Jesus as the
Christ
and follow him.
Now get rid of your artificially and theologically loaded definition
of the word
Christian
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02 Sep 2006 07:22:43 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 21:54:19 -0500, Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com>
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet duke (duckgumbo32@cox.net)
made the light shine upon us with this:
That was not the question. The question is "what is a Christian"?
And your answer is one of the many possible answers, since there are
hundreds of different kinds of christian religions. Did you know that the
first christians did not believe "christ" was a man,
That's interesting, since the first Christians are among those who
wrote the New Testament, and Paul is one of those who called Him
"God/man". (Colossians 2)
that he was a
spiritual being? The "god born as a man" stuff didn't evolve for a hundred
years or so.
You're making it up, or you are reading early gnostic material. IT's
not credible. Nor are you.
:-)
john w
snip
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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02 Sep 2006 02:53:19 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet john w <johnw (no>@yoo.how)
made the light shine upon us with this:
That was not the question. The question is "what is a Christian"?
And your answer is one of the many possible answers, since there are
hundreds of different kinds of christian religions. Did you know that
the first christians did not believe "christ" was a man,
That's interesting, since the first Christians are among those who
wrote the New Testament, and Paul is one of those who called Him
"God/man". (Colossians 2)
that he was a
spiritual being? The "god born as a man" stuff didn't evolve for a
hundred years or so.
You're making it up, or you are reading early gnostic material. IT's
not credible.
So produce the originals and we'll see who's credible. Here's what Earl
Doherty wrote, after scrutinizing what we do have:
"Paul and other early writers speak of the divine Son of their faith
entirely in terms of a spiritual, heavenly figure; they never identify
this entity called "Christ Jesus" (literally, "Anointed Savior" or
"Savior Messiah") as a man who had lived and died in recent history.
Instead, through the agency of the Holy Spirit, God has revealed the
existence of his Son and the role he has played in the divine plan for
salvation. These early writers talk of long-hidden secrets being
disclosed for the first time to apostles like Paul, with no mention of an
historical Jesus who played any part in revealing himself, thus leaving
no room for a human man at the beginning of the Christian movement. Paul
makes it clear that his knowledge and message about the Christ is derived
from scripture under God’s inspiration."
Nor are you.
Please try to attack the message, not the messenger. I realize you
people don't like people who think for themselves, as you're not allowed
to. Tough *****.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Member: Intensional misspellingg club.
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