"Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:09:48 +0200, "Jon Dood" <dzuto_hitori@desu.ka>
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2. "Natural" is not the question here - it is right-or-wrong.

most people are not given to philosophising about things. their brains

devoted to more mundane tasks. and so the moral framework they were
inculcated into, remains in force, unchallenged.

it leaves you out doesn't it fag boy.

"Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:09:48 +0200, "Jon Dood" <dzuto_hitori@desu.ka>
wrote
in message <41f43d84@news.012.net.il>:

2. "Natural" is not the question here - it is right-or-wrong.

things being right or wrong is a particular moral model that has been
generally accepted by the masses without questioning it much if at all.

without a doubt, The Bible is the most respected book of scripture in
the Western world. it's influence on morality is widespread and
pervasive. even
many of those people who do not believe in God, have had the moral
values of
the Bible introduced to them during their formative years and much of
those
morals have been assimilated and adopted, without much further
contemplation.

most people are not given to philosophising about things. their brains
are devoted to more mundane tasks. and so the moral framework they were
inculcated into, remains in force, unchallenged.

it leaves you out doesn't it fag boy.

You're stuck between the Baby Boomers and Generations X'ers if:

1. You remember when Jordache jeans with a flat handle comb in the back
pocket was cool.

2. In your class picture you were wearing an Izod shirt with the collar
up.

3. You know by heart the words to any Weird Al Yankovic song (Just eat
it, eat it, don't make me repeat it...)

4. You ever rang someone's doorbell and said "Landshark!"

5. Three words: ATARI, IntelliVision and Coleco, sound familiar.

6. You remember the premier of MTV, in fact, you remember the Friday
Night Videos before the days of MTV.

7. A predominant color in your childhood photos is plaid.

8. While in high school, you and your friends discussed elaborate plans
to get together again at the end of the century and play Prince's "1999"
until you passed out partying.

9. You remember when music that was labeled alternative, really was
alternative. And when alternative comedy really was funny.

10. You took family trips BEFORE the invention of the minivan.

11 You rode in the back of the station wagon and you faced the cars
behind you.

12. You've recently horrified yourself by using any one of the following
phrases: When I was younger...When I was your age...You know,back when...

13. Schoolhouse Rock played a HUGE part in how you actually learned the
English language (Conjunction junction, what's your function....).

14. You ever dressed to emulate a person you saw in either a Duran Duran,
Madonna or Cyndi Lauper video.

15. The first time you ever kissed someone at a dance came during either
"Crazy for You" or "Leather and Lace".

16. You remember with pain the sad day when the Green Machine hit the
streets and made our old Big Wheel quite obsolete.

17. The phrase "Where's the beef?" still doubles you over with laughter.

18. You honestly remember when film critics raved that no movie could
ever possibly get better special effects than those in the movie TRON.

19. You had a crush on either Ted the photographer on The Love Boat, Gage
from Emergency or Ponch the motorcycle cop from CHiPs.

20. Your hair at some point in time in the 80's became something which
can only be described by the phrase, "I was experimenting."

21. You've shopped at a Benetton.

--
smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
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webmaster of atjfag.com
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You're stuck between the Baby Boomers and Generations X'ers if:

1. You remember when Jordache jeans with a flat handle comb in the back
pocket was cool.

2. In your class picture you were wearing an Izod shirt with the

3. You know by heart the words to any Weird Al Yankovic song (Just

4. You ever rang someone's doorbell and said "Landshark!"

snip<

You're stuck between the Baby Boomers and Generations X'ers if:

1. You remember when

"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in message

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:09:48 +0200, "Jon Dood" <dzuto_hitori@desu.ka>

2. "Natural" is not the question here - it is right-or-wrong.

things being right or wrong is a particular moral model that has been
generally accepted by the masses without questioning it much if at all.

Yes, this is unfortunately true. The masses have a particular "mind" of
their own, sometimes avoiding common sense and thought.
An ambivalent attribute of the capitalist-democratic modern world in which
the majority of us live, is that in spite of democracy, it is not eventually
the masses which decide. On the one hand the flaw is clear, but on the other
hand this also implies that it is not always the non-thinking masses of
which you speak which dictate the rules that govern their society, such as
the prohibition of incest.
Yet nevertheless, one can easily surmise that the masses have a certain
"instinct" regarding such issues as incest, by noting that such rules
governed as ethical etiquettes of society even before they were written
down.

without a doubt, The Bible is the most respected book of scripture in the
Western world. it's influence on morality is widespread and pervasive.

even

many of those people who do not believe in God, have had the moral values

of

the Bible introduced to them during their formative years and much of

those

morals have been assimilated and adopted, without much further
contemplation.
most people are not given to philosophising about things. their brains are
devoted to more mundane tasks. and so the moral framework they were
inculcated into, remains in force, unchallenged.

I do not completely agree. Right or wrong as discussed in this thread are
not mainly philosophical issues, but rather more psychological ones.
Diverting the point toward the challenging of the *morality* of the right
or wrong when discussing incest with children is very much like saying "even
if the child eventually suffers from the consequences of such actions - is
this right or wrong?" And this is one of those points in which philosophy
just crosses the obvious boundary to being poppycock-nonsense.
It is an axiom of this discussion that if the child (or the adult, for
that matter) ends up suffering (in any way) as a consequence of the incest -
it is wrong. Saying that this is not so is simply saying "let the child
suffer. who cares?" and I do not accept this or agree with this. I care, for
one. And I believe we all should.
M.