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27 Sep 2006 10:14:13 PM |
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Re: When the Earth stood still. |
Thagor <thagor@email.coma> wrote in
news:Xns984CDDE20E8F7Thagemailcom@207.115.17.102:
Does anyone know the facts about whether NASA uses the period of time
the Earth stood still in calculating the spaceship trajectory prior to
all missions? I have heard of this but have not been able to confirm
it.
No, NASA does not need to do so. If NASA had been launching a spaceship
at the time of the event, then they would have calculated it at that
time. Since the earth is not standing still now, they can plan a normal
launch based on the earth's normal spin....adjusted for the time lost at
the time of the tsunami.
Pangur - a non-event has an impact not on the earth but on the credulous
mind
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| User: "James" |
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| Title: Re: When the Earth stood still. |
28 Oct 2006 12:26:15 PM |
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Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
Re: When the Earth stood still.
Thagor <thagor@email.coma> wrote in
news:Xns984CDDE20E8F7Thagemailcom@207.115.17.102:
Does anyone know the facts about whether NASA uses the period of time
the Earth stood still in calculating the spaceship trajectory prior to
all missions? I have heard of this but have not been able to confirm
it.
No, NASA does not need to do so. If NASA had been launching a spaceship
at the time of the event, then they would have calculated it at that
time. Since the earth is not standing still now, they can plan a normal
launch based on the earth's normal spin....adjusted for the time lost at
the time of the tsunami.
Pangur - a non-event has an impact not on the earth but on the credulous
mind
Pangur,
The earth would not have had to stop its rotation in order for the
event at Joshua 10:12-14 to have occurred. The details were covered in
my answer to Thagor:
"Notice nothing in that account says that the 'earth stood still',
rather it says those luminaries did. (the sun and moon appeared to do
so from an observer on the ground there) Many today extrapolate that
the earth must have stopped its rotation in order for that event to
have happened. But that is their reasoning, and doesn't have to be the
way it really happened.
Also, if the earth literally miraculously stopped rotating, this would
be a world-wide event. Yet there is no indication elsewhere in the
writings of the world, that such a thing happened anywhere else. (that
is, assuming all survived the stopped rotation!) So that event
appeared to have happened only there in the area of Gibeon.
So how could it have happened without anything to do with a stopping
of the earth's rotation? One possibility would be for God to
continually refract the sunlight back to a central point in the sky
over Gibeon, even as it was setting. (the same with the moon) Humans
do something similar with their geosynchronous orbits of their
satellites. They make the satellite stay in one relative position over
a certain latitude and longitude. Thus signals can be bounced off that
satellite 24/7 from that same location. The satellite in effect, is
'motionless' relative to the ground, and stays in that same spot in
the sky. So it wouldn't be too hard to conceive God using a similar
method to accomplish His will by refracting the light of those
luminaries. After all, God created those luminaries. (Ps 74:16)
At any rate, the Bible does not tell the mechanics of how God did that
marvelous event. It just tells the results.
Sincerely, James
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| User: "Pangur Ban" |
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| Title: Re: When the Earth stood still. |
28 Oct 2006 10:39:58 PM |
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James <bireda@allvantage.com> wrote in
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Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net> Re: When the Earth stood
still.
Thagor <thagor@email.coma> wrote in
news:Xns984CDDE20E8F7Thagemailcom@207.115.17.102:
Does anyone know the facts about whether NASA uses the period of
time the Earth stood still in calculating the spaceship trajectory
prior to all missions? I have heard of this but have not been able
to confirm it.
No, NASA does not need to do so. If NASA had been launching a
spaceship at the time of the event, then they would have calculated it
at that time. Since the earth is not standing still now, they can
plan a normal launch based on the earth's normal spin....adjusted for
the time lost at the time of the tsunami.
Pangur - a non-event has an impact not on the earth but on the
credulous mind
Pangur,
The earth would not have had to stop its rotation in order for the
event at Joshua 10:12-14 to have occurred. The details were covered in
my answer to Thagor:
"Notice nothing in that account says that the 'earth stood still',
rather it says those luminaries did. (the sun and moon appeared to do
so from an observer on the ground there) Many today extrapolate that
the earth must have stopped its rotation in order for that event to
have happened. But that is their reasoning, and doesn't have to be the
way it really happened.
Also, if the earth literally miraculously stopped rotating, this would
be a world-wide event. Yet there is no indication elsewhere in the
writings of the world, that such a thing happened anywhere else.
Rather like Noah's flood.
(that is, assuming all survived the stopped rotation!) So that event
appeared to have happened only there in the area of Gibeon.
So how could it have happened without anything to do with a stopping
of the earth's rotation? One possibility would be for God to
continually refract the sunlight back to a central point in the sky
over Gibeon, even as it was setting. (the same with the moon) Humans
do something similar with their geosynchronous orbits of their
satellites. They make the satellite stay in one relative position over
a certain latitude and longitude. Thus signals can be bounced off that
satellite 24/7 from that same location. The satellite in effect, is
'motionless' relative to the ground, and stays in that same spot in
the sky. So it wouldn't be too hard to conceive God using a similar
method to accomplish His will by refracting the light of those
luminaries. After all, God created those luminaries. (Ps 74:16)
Seems an awful lot of work to create something very local in scope. Why
not just set a bush to burning?
At any rate, the Bible does not tell the mechanics of how God did that
marvelous event. It just tells the results.
Uh-huh. James, I am going to answer you as politely as I can. My
original answer to Thagor was much in the "tone" that one would offer to
a very young child or to a retarded adult. It was an attempt to
reassure... That someone could apparently seriously ask such a question
in the 21st centruy indicated to me that I was reading a post by an
extremely credulous individual....and that is quite polite.
Second, I think the myth of the sun and moon standing still - no matter
what fantasies are concocted to explain it - is silly.
Third, the bible is to me a series of poorly written histories (some
based on reality and some not), myths, and legends, adaptations of
elements common to many religions - miracles, virgin births,
resurrections, - and much man-created attempts to make their beliefs
important and acceptable.
Fourth, my religion holds that your god is a part of the total
Divinity.... an aspect like many others.
Thank you for your reply.
Pangur - nonchristian theist
Sincerely, James
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| User: "mark" |
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03 Nov 2006 11:10:48 PM |
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James wrote:
Also, if the earth literally miraculously stopped rotating, this would
be a world-wide event. Yet there is no indication elsewhere in the
writings of the world, that such a thing happened anywhere else. (that
is, assuming all survived the stopped rotation!) So that event
appeared to have happened only there in the area of Gibeon.
Whoops, you seem to be in error with your claim of it being a local
event. Unless you have read the ancient writings, you probably ought
not comment on them....
""Many cultures have legends that seem to be based on this event. For
example, there is a Greek myth of Apollo's son, Phaethon, who
disrupted the sun's course for a day. Since Joshua 10 is historical,
cultures on the opposite side of the world should have legends of a
long night. In fact, the New Zealand Maori people have a myth about how
their hero Maui slowed the sun before it rose, while the Mexican Annals
of Cuauhtitlan (the history of the empire of Culhuacan and Mexico)
records a night that continued for an extended time."" (stolen from a
research web page)
Velikovsky did yeomans work on researching the miracles of the Bible,
and the effects as recorded throughout the world. If you read Worlds in
Collision, you will find that you are wrong, and that many cultures
record the stopping of the rotation of the earth, or the lengthening of
the day. Don't make declarations that are so easy to refute :-)
Once does not have to agree with Velikovsky's personal opinions, to
know that his research on ancient writings is valid, and well
documented. It is fascinating to read the global conditions and results
of many bible incidents, on the pages of other civilizations, such as
the Exodus, the Birth and death of the Savior, etc.
Mark
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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04 Nov 2006 02:22:50 PM |
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On 3 Nov 2006 21:10:48 -0800, "mark" <singlewchildren@gmail.com>
wrote:
you will find that you are wrong, and that many cultures
record the stopping of the rotation of the earth
Unfortunately the Earth itself puts the lie to these stories. Whatever
man records, the planet never lies.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye
shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
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| User: "Andrew3637" |
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04 Nov 2006 10:12:06 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 3 Nov 2006 21:10:48 -0800, "mark" <singlewchildren@gmail.com>
wrote:
you will find that you are wrong, and that many cultures
record the stopping of the rotation of the earth
Unfortunately the Earth itself puts the lie to these stories. Whatever
man records, the planet never lies.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye
shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
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Hello:
All this ranting about earth stopping its rotation is nuts! God moved
the sun around the earth to make the sun stand still in the sky. Read
http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html for the real thing.
Andrew Bennett
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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05 Nov 2006 02:15:10 AM |
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On 4 Nov 2006 20:12:06 -0800, "Andrew3637" <s@sunnyokanagan.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1162699926.498106.245820@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Al Klein wrote:
On 3 Nov 2006 21:10:48 -0800, "mark" <singlewchildren@gmail.com>
wrote:
you will find that you are wrong, and that many cultures
record the stopping of the rotation of the earth
Unfortunately the Earth itself puts the lie to these stories. Whatever
man records, the planet never lies.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye
shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
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Hello:
All this ranting about earth stopping its rotation is nuts! God moved
the sun around the earth to make the sun stand still in the sky. Read
http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html for the real thing.
Andrew Bennett
All this rubbish about the earth being round is NUTS!
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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05 Nov 2006 06:25:43 PM |
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On 4 Nov 2006 20:12:06 -0800, "Andrew3637" <s@sunnyokanagan.com>
wrote:
All this ranting about earth stopping its rotation is nuts! God moved
the sun around the earth to make the sun stand still in the sky. Read
http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html for the real thing.
Nice find. It *IS* meant to be a joke, right? I mean the evidence
that the sun never started "rotating" around the Earth is so plain, it
has to be a joke.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
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| User: "Andrew3637" |
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05 Nov 2006 11:32:30 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 4 Nov 2006 20:12:06 -0800, "Andrew3637" <s@sunnyokanagan.com>
wrote:
All this ranting about earth stopping its rotation is nuts! God moved
the sun around the earth to make the sun stand still in the sky. Read
http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html for the real thing.
Nice find. It *IS* meant to be a joke, right? I mean the evidence
that the sun never started "rotating" around the Earth is so plain, it
has to be a joke.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
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Hello:
That is the thing, is the evidence that the sun never started
"rotating" around the earth so plain? God is the Creator of the
Universe, he can do this. This is no joke.
Andrew Bennett
http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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06 Nov 2006 02:22:56 PM |
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"Andrew3637" <s@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote in message
news:1162791149.989181.228660@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Al Klein wrote:
On 4 Nov 2006 20:12:06 -0800, "Andrew3637" <s@sunnyokanagan.com>
wrote:
All this ranting about earth stopping its rotation is nuts! God moved
the sun around the earth to make the sun stand still in the sky. Read
http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html for the real thing.
Nice find. It *IS* meant to be a joke, right? I mean the evidence
that the sun never started "rotating" around the Earth is so plain, it
has to be a joke.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children
for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible;
in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
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Hello:
That is the thing, is the evidence that the sun never started
"rotating" around the earth so plain? God is the Creator of the
Universe, he can do this. This is no joke.
LOL! Oh, yes, yes it is ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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06 Nov 2006 04:45:37 PM |
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On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:22:56 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
- Refer: <4r9jkrFpm9bsU1@mid.individual.net>
"Andrew3637" <s@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote in message
news:1162791149.989181.228660@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Al Klein wrote:
On 4 Nov 2006 20:12:06 -0800, "Andrew3637" <s@sunnyokanagan.com>
wrote:
All this ranting about earth stopping its rotation is nuts! God moved
the sun around the earth to make the sun stand still in the sky. Read
http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html for the real thing.
Nice find. It *IS* meant to be a joke, right? I mean the evidence
that the sun never started "rotating" around the Earth is so plain, it
has to be a joke.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children
for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible;
in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
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Hello:
That is the thing, is the evidence that the sun never started
"rotating" around the earth so plain? God is the Creator of the
Universe, he can do this. This is no joke.
LOL! Oh, yes, yes it is ;)
Profound mental illness is NOT a joke, Robyn.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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07 Nov 2006 10:17:42 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:22:56 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
- Refer: <4r9jkrFpm9bsU1@mid.individual.net>
"Andrew3637" <s@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote in message
news:1162791149.989181.228660@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Al Klein wrote:
On 4 Nov 2006 20:12:06 -0800, "Andrew3637" <s@sunnyokanagan.com>
wrote:
All this ranting about earth stopping its rotation is nuts! God moved
the sun around the earth to make the sun stand still in the sky. Read
http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html for the real thing.
Nice find. It *IS* meant to be a joke, right? I mean the evidence
that the sun never started "rotating" around the Earth is so plain, it
has to be a joke.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children
for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held
responsible;
in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
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Hello:
That is the thing, is the evidence that the sun never started
"rotating" around the earth so plain? God is the Creator of the
Universe, he can do this. This is no joke.
LOL! Oh, yes, yes it is ;)
Profound mental illness is NOT a joke, Robyn.
Oh, it has its moments ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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06 Nov 2006 08:32:11 PM |
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:15:37 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:22:56 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
- Refer: <4r9jkrFpm9bsU1@mid.individual.net>
"Andrew3637" <s@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote in message
news:1162791149.989181.228660@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
That is the thing, is the evidence that the sun never started
"rotating" around the earth so plain? God is the Creator of the
Universe, he can do this. This is no joke.
LOL! Oh, yes, yes it is ;)
Profound mental illness is NOT a joke, Robyn.
But it's not nice to point out to 3 whole newsgroups that they're all
mentally ill, Michael.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
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The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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07 Nov 2006 01:06:13 AM |
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On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 21:32:11 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <4vrvk258v4p4oknofi501n70kehgck1upb@4ax.com>
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:15:37 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:22:56 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
- Refer: <4r9jkrFpm9bsU1@mid.individual.net>
"Andrew3637" <s@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote in message
news:1162791149.989181.228660@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
That is the thing, is the evidence that the sun never started
"rotating" around the earth so plain? God is the Creator of the
Universe, he can do this. This is no joke.
LOL! Oh, yes, yes it is ;)
Profound mental illness is NOT a joke, Robyn.
But it's not nice to point out to 3 whole newsgroups that they're all
mentally ill, Michael.
No, they might demand that they have a say in running the world.
Then where would we be?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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07 Nov 2006 09:20:07 AM |
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:36:13 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 21:32:11 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <4vrvk258v4p4oknofi501n70kehgck1upb@4ax.com>
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:15:37 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:22:56 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
- Refer: <4r9jkrFpm9bsU1@mid.individual.net>
"Andrew3637" <s@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote in message
news:1162791149.989181.228660@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
That is the thing, is the evidence that the sun never started
"rotating" around the earth so plain? God is the Creator of the
Universe, he can do this. This is no joke.
LOL! Oh, yes, yes it is ;)
Profound mental illness is NOT a joke, Robyn.
But it's not nice to point out to 3 whole newsgroups that they're all
mentally ill, Michael.
No, they might demand that they have a say in running the world.
Then where would we be?
When I was in High School (about 16 or 17) we had a joke making the
rounds - something like "there are more crazy people all the time, so
the ratio of crazy people to sane people is constantly increasing.
Soon the crazy people will outnumber the sane people, so let's destroy
the world before they lock us up and destroy it".
I've finally lived long enough to see it.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the
type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are for the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
- Albert Einstein
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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07 Nov 2006 02:54:32 PM |
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:20:07 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:36:13 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 21:32:11 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <4vrvk258v4p4oknofi501n70kehgck1upb@4ax.com>
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:15:37 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:22:56 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
- Refer: <4r9jkrFpm9bsU1@mid.individual.net>
"Andrew3637" <s@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote in message
news:1162791149.989181.228660@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
That is the thing, is the evidence that the sun never started
"rotating" around the earth so plain? God is the Creator of the
Universe, he can do this. This is no joke.
LOL! Oh, yes, yes it is ;)
Profound mental illness is NOT a joke, Robyn.
But it's not nice to point out to 3 whole newsgroups that they're all
mentally ill, Michael.
No, they might demand that they have a say in running the world.
Then where would we be?
When I was in High School (about 16 or 17) we had a joke making the
rounds - something like "there are more crazy people all the time, so
the ratio of crazy people to sane people is constantly increasing.
Soon the crazy people will outnumber the sane people, so let's destroy
the world before they lock us up and destroy it".
I've finally lived long enough to see it.
It's not because we have advanced, but more that we are being
retarded, dragged back to the middle-ages.
Dragged back to ignorant superstition, deliberately engineered for the
short term comfort and power of a tiny minority of humans.
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| User: "torresD" |
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06 Nov 2006 02:19:44 PM |
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click on link and listen to Israeli Reservist being
interviewed by BBC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/outlook.shtml
Cluster bombs in southern Lebanon:
an Israeli reservist speaks out
Hundreds of thousands of unexploded
and potentially lethal cluster bombs
are lying scattered in fields and
villages in southern Lebanon following
the recent fighting between Israel
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: When the Earth stood still. |
06 Nov 2006 03:39:42 AM |
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On 5 Nov 2006 21:32:30 -0800, "Andrew3637" <s@sunnyokanagan.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1162791149.989181.228660@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Al Klein wrote:
On 4 Nov 2006 20:12:06 -0800, "Andrew3637" <s@sunnyokanagan.com>
wrote:
All this ranting about earth stopping its rotation is nuts! God moved
the sun around the earth to make the sun stand still in the sky. Read
http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html for the real thing.
Nice find. It *IS* meant to be a joke, right? I mean the evidence
that the sun never started "rotating" around the Earth is so plain, it
has to be a joke.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
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Hello:
That is the thing, is the evidence that the sun never started
"rotating" around the earth so plain? God is the Creator of the
Universe, he can do this. This is no joke.
If that is not a joke of some sort, then you are barking mad.
Completely bonkeroony.
Totally tonto.
Off your chump.
Away with the fairies.
Christian.
Not playing with a full deck.
A couple of 'roos loose in the top paddock.
Christian.
Fuckin' mental.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: When the Earth stood still. |
06 Nov 2006 10:19:58 AM |
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On 5 Nov 2006 21:32:30 -0800, "Andrew3637" <s@sunnyokanagan.com>
wrote:
That is the thing, is the evidence that the sun never started
"rotating" around the earth so plain?
Well, let's see how actual physics works. The force needed to make
the sun rotate at a rate of one orbit/day would tear the Solar system
apart. The speed of the sun would be close to the speed of light,
destroying all nearby galaxies.
Since we're here, yes, the evidence that it never happened is pretty
plain.
God is the Creator of the Universe, he can do this. This is no joke.
Aside from violating most laws of physics - and that can't be done due
to the way the universe is (due to the fact that he created it that
way, if that's what you believe) - there's no way it could have
happened. You can't accelerate trillions of tons of mass to a speed
close to C without causing all sorts of nearby effects. "Inertialess
drive" is science fiction, not reality. And you can't get the energy
needed to cause that acceleration from space close enough to not
destroy galaxies.
If God can violate causality (the only way it could have been done)
that gives you another problem - a god that can violate causality
isn't limited by logic, so God either can create a mass too large for
him to move (meaning he's not omnipotent) or he can't create a mass
too large for him to move (meaning he's not omnipotent).
See, the Christian definition of God is of a god that just can't
exist. If he can violate logic he can't exist as defined by
Christianity and if he can't violate logic he can't exist as defined
by Christianity.
Someone, 2,000 years ago, just didn't know enough about logic to
create a god that could actually exist. That's why writers are always
admonished to write about what they know. Writing about things you
don't know anything about (in literature, that genre is known as
'fantasy') leads you into little traps like setting up impossible
situations. In Piers Anthony's novels it's a cute device, but when
you claim that it's non-fiction you trip over your own feet.
So your only out is to claim that God can do anything, even 10
mutually exclusive things at the same time - which is just invoking
magic, which is nonsense. We know that the laws of physics are the
same all over, so accelerating that much mass to that speed in that
small a time just ain't gonna happen, god or no god, unless you're
writing a fairy tale - which is all the Bible is, anyway. No sane
person believes that it's all literally true.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Speculating on the possible reaction to evidence is no excuse for
failing to produce the evidence."
- Wayne M. Delia+
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: When the Earth stood still. |
06 Nov 2006 12:54:15 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 4 Nov 2006 20:12:06 -0800, "Andrew3637" <s@sunnyokanagan.com>
wrote:
All this ranting about earth stopping its rotation is nuts! God moved
the sun around the earth to make the sun stand still in the sky. Read
http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html for the real thing.
Nice find. It *IS* meant to be a joke, right? I mean the evidence
that the sun never started "rotating" around the Earth is so plain, it
has to be a joke.
Apparently not.
I suspect that at some point there must be a most insane idea of how all
physics was ignored (and faith lost) but every time I think I've seen it,
something like this comes along.
Maybe it is elephants all the way down.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: When the Earth stood still. |
06 Nov 2006 03:40:43 AM |
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On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 06:54:15 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
- Refer: <r_A3h.2470$r12.1287@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>
Al Klein wrote:
On 4 Nov 2006 20:12:06 -0800, "Andrew3637" <s@sunnyokanagan.com>
wrote:
All this ranting about earth stopping its rotation is nuts! God moved
the sun around the earth to make the sun stand still in the sky. Read
http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html for the real thing.
Nice find. It *IS* meant to be a joke, right? I mean the evidence
that the sun never started "rotating" around the Earth is so plain, it
has to be a joke.
Apparently not.
I suspect that at some point there must be a most insane idea of how all
physics was ignored (and faith lost) but every time I think I've seen it,
something like this comes along.
Maybe it is elephants all the way down.
Last I heard, it was Turquoise.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: When the Earth stood still. |
06 Nov 2006 10:21:09 AM |
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On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 06:54:15 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Maybe it is elephants all the way down.
Turtles, you apostate herpetologist.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed
to ignore totally all the patient findings of thinking minds through all
the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant
people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking
among us who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all, who
would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us, who would invade
our schools and libraries and homes.
- Isaac Asimov
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: When the Earth stood still. |
06 Nov 2006 10:47:55 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 06:54:15 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Maybe it is elephants all the way down.
Turtles, you apostate herpetologist.
You are right, of course. At least in the myth.
The truth is that there are four turtles standing on the back of an
elephant.
If you doubt me, just go to the library and ask The Librarian.
Be sure to greet him properly. "Hi old Monkey" is most proper.
(That will teach you to correct my mistakes and embarrass me)
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: When the Earth stood still. |
07 Nov 2006 10:23:37 AM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 06:54:15 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Maybe it is elephants all the way down.
Turtles, you apostate herpetologist.
You are right, of course. At least in the myth.
The truth is that there are four turtles standing on the back of an
elephant.
If you doubt me, just go to the library and ask The Librarian.
Be sure to greet him properly. "Hi old Monkey" is most proper.
(That will teach you to correct my mistakes and embarrass me)
Ook??
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Temporal Rube Goldberg Mechanics
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: When the Earth stood still. |
07 Nov 2006 09:21:15 AM |
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 04:47:55 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 06:54:15 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Maybe it is elephants all the way down.
Turtles, you apostate herpetologist.
You are right, of course. At least in the myth.
The truth is that there are four turtles standing on the back of an
elephant.
If you doubt me, just go to the library and ask The Librarian.
Be sure to greet him properly. "Hi old Monkey" is most proper.
(That will teach you to correct my mistakes and embarrass me)
Aside from the fact that she's far from old, and the only resemblance
she bears to a monkey is ... nah, I'm not going there in a family news
group.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but
not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."
-A. Einstein (1929 -- Einstein Archive 33-272)
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: When the Earth stood still. |
08 Nov 2006 12:13:14 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 04:47:55 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 06:54:15 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Maybe it is elephants all the way down.
Turtles, you apostate herpetologist.
You are right, of course. At least in the myth.
The truth is that there are four turtles standing on the back of an
elephant.
If you doubt me, just go to the library and ask The Librarian.
Be sure to greet him properly. "Hi old Monkey" is most proper.
(That will teach you to correct my mistakes and embarrass me)
Aside from the fact that she's far from old, and the only resemblance
she bears to a monkey is ... nah, I'm not going there in a family news
group.
Wrong library. It's not Marion I'm talking about or even Molly (but that's
another story) and it's The Librarian.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: When the Earth stood still. |
07 Nov 2006 02:55:35 PM |
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:21:15 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <i191l2pg43uqepdfla98lravmbi3e24age@4ax.com>
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 04:47:55 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 06:54:15 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Maybe it is elephants all the way down.
Turtles, you apostate herpetologist.
You are right, of course. At least in the myth.
The truth is that there are four turtles standing on the back of an
elephant.
If you doubt me, just go to the library and ask The Librarian.
Be sure to greet him properly. "Hi old Monkey" is most proper.
(That will teach you to correct my mistakes and embarrass me)
Aside from the fact that she's far from old, and the only resemblance
she bears to a monkey is ... nah, I'm not going there in a family news
group.
Hint: Read Terry Pratchett.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: When the Earth stood still. |
07 Nov 2006 08:08:13 PM |
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 07:25:35 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:21:15 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <i191l2pg43uqepdfla98lravmbi3e24age@4ax.com>
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 04:47:55 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 06:54:15 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Maybe it is elephants all the way down.
Turtles, you apostate herpetologist.
You are right, of course. At least in the myth.
The truth is that there are four turtles standing on the back of an
elephant.
If you doubt me, just go to the library and ask The Librarian.
Be sure to greet him properly. "Hi old Monkey" is most proper.
(That will teach you to correct my mistakes and embarrass me)
Aside from the fact that she's far from old, and the only resemblance
she bears to a monkey is ... nah, I'm not going there in a family news
group.
Hint: Read Terry Pratchett.
I've probably read what you're referring to. Memory is the second
thing to go.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: When the Earth stood still. |
08 Nov 2006 04:18:48 AM |
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:08:13 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <cve2l293kea5o87sn0tlvcjf8ficdj2b8b@4ax.com>
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 07:25:35 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:21:15 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <i191l2pg43uqepdfla98lravmbi3e24age@4ax.com>
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 04:47:55 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 06:54:15 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Maybe it is elephants all the way down.
Turtles, you apostate herpetologist.
You are right, of course. At least in the myth.
The truth is that there are four turtles standing on the back of an
elephant.
If you doubt me, just go to the library and ask The Librarian.
Be sure to greet him properly. "Hi old Monkey" is most proper.
(That will teach you to correct my mistakes and embarrass me)
Aside from the fact that she's far from old, and the only resemblance
she bears to a monkey is ... nah, I'm not going there in a family news
group.
Hint: Read Terry Pratchett.
I've probably read what you're referring to. Memory is the second
thing to go.
Yeah, I forgot that for a minute there.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: When the Earth stood still. |
08 Nov 2006 10:07:19 AM |
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:48:48 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:08:13 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <cve2l293kea5o87sn0tlvcjf8ficdj2b8b@4ax.com>
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 07:25:35 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:21:15 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <i191l2pg43uqepdfla98lravmbi3e24age@4ax.com>
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 04:47:55 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 06:54:15 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Maybe it is elephants all the way down.
Turtles, you apostate herpetologist.
You are right, of course. At least in the myth.
The truth is that there are four turtles standing on the back of an
elephant.
If you doubt me, just go to the library and ask The Librarian.
Be sure to greet him properly. "Hi old Monkey" is most proper.
(That will teach you to correct my mistakes and embarrass me)
Aside from the fact that she's far from old, and the only resemblance
she bears to a monkey is ... nah, I'm not going there in a family news
group.
Hint: Read Terry Pratchett.
I've probably read what you're referring to. Memory is the second
thing to go.
Yeah, I forgot that for a minute there.
Huh?
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains
premature today."
- Isaac Asimov
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: When the Earth stood still. |
08 Nov 2006 04:08:50 PM |
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:07:19 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <d504l25s5cdkgl9hf933um5j312mg2amdl@4ax.com>
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:48:48 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:08:13 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <cve2l293kea5o87sn0tlvcjf8ficdj2b8b@4ax.com>
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 07:25:35 +1030, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:21:15 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
- Refer: <i191l2pg43uqepdfla98lravmbi3e24age@4ax.com>
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 04:47:55 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 06:54:15 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Maybe it is elephants all the way down.
Turtles, you apostate herpetologist.
You are right, of course. At least in the myth.
The truth is that there are four turtles standing on the back of an
elephant.
If you doubt me, just go to the library and ask The Librarian.
Be sure to greet him properly. "Hi old Monkey" is most proper.
(That will teach you to correct my mistakes and embarrass me)
Aside from the fact that she's far from old, and the only resemblance
she bears to a monkey is ... nah, I'm not going there in a family news
group.
Hint: Read Terry Pratchett.
I've probably read what you're referring to. Memory is the second
thing to go.
Yeah, I forgot that for a minute there.
Huh?
Did you see where I put my keys?
I had them only a minute ago.
And I can find my cup of tea either.
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