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"The Chief Instigator" |
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16 May 2007 12:36:50 AM |
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Re: Where do we find who operates each newsgroup? |
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In the interest of free speech, the above question is posed.
You are a certifiable idiot, Convicted Criminal Wentzky...considering how long
you've been online without learning much of anything about how the Internet
and Usenet are organized. (Free clue: in the alt.* hierarchy, no one runs
any newsgroup. ISPs are free to choose which newsgroups they carry on their
NNTP servers.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
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| User: "John D. Wentzky" |
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16 May 2007 11:08:24 AM |
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"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In the interest of free speech, the above question is posed.
You are a certifiable idiot, Convicted Criminal Wentzky...considering how
long
you've been online without learning much of anything about how the
Internet
and Usenet are organized. (Free clue: in the alt.* hierarchy, no one
runs
any newsgroup.
Ridiculous. When I see my messages NOT posting, I am sure there is
censorship occurring.
ISPs are free to choose which newsgroups they carry on their
NNTP servers.)
So, why are any of them neglecting to post messages?
The censorship is obvious at times.
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16 May 2007 11:19:09 AM |
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In the interest of free speech, the above question is posed.
You are a certifiable idiot, Convicted Criminal Wentzky...considering how
long you've been online without learning much of anything about how the
Internet and Usenet are organized. (Free clue: in the alt.* hierarchy, no
one runs any newsgroup.
Ridiculous. When I see my messages NOT posting, I am sure there is
censorship occurring.
You're "sure" of quite a few things that have no connection with reality.
ISPs are free to choose which newsgroups they carry on their NNTP
servers.)
So, why are any of them neglecting to post messages?
The censorship is obvious at times.
Did it ever occur to you to ask the news admins at alumni.furman.edu whether
they were having problems with their NNTP setup?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
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| User: "John D. Wentzky" |
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| Title: Re: Where do we find who operates each newsgroup? |
16 May 2007 11:26:05 AM |
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"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkps51mirx.fsf@eris.io.com...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In the interest of free speech, the above question is posed.
You are a certifiable idiot, Convicted Criminal Wentzky...considering
how
long you've been online without learning much of anything about how the
Internet and Usenet are organized. (Free clue: in the alt.* hierarchy,
no
one runs any newsgroup.
Ridiculous. When I see my messages NOT posting, I am sure there is
censorship occurring.
You're "sure" of quite a few things that have no connection with reality.
ISPs are free to choose which newsgroups they carry on their NNTP
servers.)
So, why are any of them neglecting to post messages?
The censorship is obvious at times.
Did it ever occur to you to ask the news admins at alumni.furman.edu
whether
they were having problems with their NNTP setup?
I don't go through alumni.furman.edu.
My isp is bellsouth.
I asked them about this situation before, and the problem evaporated.
Seems that the only time a post of mine doesn't post is when I cross-post to
any of those 'white' groups.
So, maybe the problem is with someone affiliated with them.
The only other possibility seems to be that someone or a group of people is
afraid of the 'white' groups receiving the crossposts.
Whatever is the cause of it sure is weird in this 'Freedom of Speech'
nation.
I understand that persons or companies are considered private, but when a
newsgroup is made public it seems that it would be subject to the
Constitutional requirements, at least in the USA.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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16 May 2007 11:32:00 AM |
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkr6pgwxky.fsf@eris.io.com...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkps51mirx.fsf@eris.io.com...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In the interest of free speech, the above question is posed.
You are a certifiable idiot, Convicted Criminal Wentzky...considering how
long you've been online without learning much of anything about how the
Internet and Usenet are organized. (Free clue: in the alt.* hierarchy,
no one runs any newsgroup.
Ridiculous. When I see my messages NOT posting, I am sure there is
censorship occurring.
You're "sure" of quite a few things that have no connection with reality.
ISPs are free to choose which newsgroups they carry on their NNTP
servers.)
So, why are any of them neglecting to post messages?
The censorship is obvious at times.
Did it ever occur to you to ask the news admins at alumni.furman.edu
whether they were having problems with their NNTP setup?
I don't go through alumni.furman.edu.
My isp is bellsouth.
So, you're abusing a Furman address? I'm almost surprised.
I asked them about this situation before, and the problem evaporated.
Seems that the only time a post of mine doesn't post is when I cross-post to
any of those 'white' groups.
So, maybe the problem is with someone affiliated with them.
The only other possibility seems to be that someone or a group of people is
afraid of the 'white' groups receiving the crossposts.
Those are the only "possibilities" you're willing to consider.
Whatever is the cause of it sure is weird in this 'Freedom of Speech'
nation.
I understand that persons or companies are considered private, but when a
newsgroup is made public it seems that it would be subject to the
Constitutional requirements, at least in the USA.
BellSouth isn't the USA, idiot. Ask them what's going on.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
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| User: "John D. Wentzky" |
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16 May 2007 11:47:35 AM |
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Still dodging the question, I see.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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16 May 2007 03:51:16 PM |
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
Still dodging the question, I see.
You're too crackheaded to ask BellSouth about newsgroups? That's your
problem, Convict Wentzky.
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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16 May 2007 08:24:44 PM |
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:ebG2i.442$zk.166@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
I understand that persons or companies are considered private, but
when a newsgroup is made public it seems that it would be subject to
the Constitutional requirements, at least in the USA.
My news server in in Germany. Why would they be subject to the United
States Constitution?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
People in general do not know what wickedness there is in this pretended
Word of God. Brought up in habits of superstition, they take it for
granted that the Bible is true, and that it is good... Good heavens! it
is quite another thing; it is a book of lies wickedness and blasphemy;
for what can be a greater blasphemy than to ascribe the wickedness of man
to the orders of the Almighty?
- Thomas Paine, 'The Age of Reason', Citadel Press
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| User: "John D. Wentzky" |
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16 May 2007 08:47:07 PM |
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"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:ebG2i.442$zk.166@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
I understand that persons or companies are considered private, but
when a newsgroup is made public it seems that it would be subject to
the Constitutional requirements, at least in the USA.
My news server in in Germany. Why would they be subject to the United
States Constitution?
Why would anything I do be subject to Germany's or the EU's laws?
Did that cause your brain to blow a fuse?
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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16 May 2007 09:05:15 PM |
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
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"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:ebG2i.442$zk.166@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
I understand that persons or companies are considered private, but
when a newsgroup is made public it seems that it would be subject to
the Constitutional requirements, at least in the USA.
My news server in in Germany. Why would they be subject to the United
States Constitution?
Why would anything I do be subject to Germany's or the EU's laws?
Did that cause your brain to blow a fuse?
Idiot. The United States does not own and operate the internet. It's a
giant network of computers, routers and data links. Billions of people
and corporations own little pieces of the internet. It's not subject to
the US Constitution unless the US goventment tries to limit speach or
property rights of those who use or own parts of it.
Your ISP could kick your sorry ignorant ***** off their network for
violating your TOS, and you'd have no more right to complain than you
would if I killfiled you posts on my machine. Each of us who owns a
computer or network is free to decide how it's used and what goes across
it.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Satan hasn't a single salaried helper; the Opposition employ a million.
-- Mark Twain
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| User: "John D. Wentzky" |
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16 May 2007 09:34:07 PM |
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"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
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"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9932BBBCD84E2255229@130.133.1.4...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:ebG2i.442$zk.166@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
I understand that persons or companies are considered private, but
when a newsgroup is made public it seems that it would be subject to
the Constitutional requirements, at least in the USA.
My news server in in Germany. Why would they be subject to the United
States Constitution?
Why would anything I do be subject to Germany's or the EU's laws?
Did that cause your brain to blow a fuse?
Idiot.
Blew a fuse, huh?
The United States does not own and operate the internet.
You're quite amiss in that statement.
The USA invented the internet.
The people of the USA invented the TCP/IP protocol.
It's a giant network of computers, routers and data links.
So what?
Billions of people and corporations own little pieces of the internet.
None of whom deserve any more tcp/ip address space than the people of the
USA who paid to invent it deserve.
It's not subject to the US Constitution unless the US goventment tries to
limit speach or
property rights of those who use or own parts of it.
Anything that enters US space os that originates from US space is subject to
US law.
Your ISP could kick your sorry ignorant ***** off their network for
violating your TOS,
TOS is not law, you fool.
and you'd have no more right to complain than you
would if I killfiled you posts on my machine.
But, do you have the balls to kill them?
Each of us who owns a computer or network is free to decide how it's used
and what goes across
it.
Too bad you ignore the law of the jurisdictions that data from your
server(s) enter, huh?
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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16 May 2007 09:56:09 PM |
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9932C29B854FD255229@130.133.1.4...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:puO2i.1093$J6.429@bigfe9:
"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9932BBBCD84E2255229@130.133.1.4...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:ebG2i.442$zk.166@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
I understand that persons or companies are considered private, but
when a newsgroup is made public it seems that it would be subject to
the Constitutional requirements, at least in the USA.
My news server in in Germany. Why would they be subject to the United
States Constitution?
Why would anything I do be subject to Germany's or the EU's laws?
Did that cause your brain to blow a fuse?
Idiot.
Blew a fuse, huh?
You *know* blowing.
The United States does not own and operate the internet.
You're quite amiss in that statement.
He's quite correct in that statement.
The USA invented the internet.
The people of the USA invented the TCP/IP protocol.
....which doesn't mean the "USA" owns Internet. (Save for the "*.gov" domains,
of course.)
It's a giant network of computers, routers and data links.
So what?
You're chronically clueless.
Billions of people and corporations own little pieces of the internet.
None of whom deserve any more tcp/ip address space than the people of the
USA who paid to invent it deserve.
Too bad you don't have a say about who gets what.
It's not subject to the US Constitution unless the US goventment tries to
limit speach or property rights of those who use or own parts of it.
Anything that enters US space os that originates from US space is subject to
US law.
Your ISP could kick your sorry ignorant ***** off their network for
violating your TOS,
TOS is not law, you fool.
You should be grateful to whoever clued you in on that.
and you'd have no more right to complain than you
would if I killfiled you posts on my machine.
But, do you have the balls to kill them?
He can choose to nuke your garbage on his machine if he wants to, if it's his
machine. (Just like I can on the site I'm in the process of relaunching.)
Each of us who owns a computer or network is free to decide how it's used
and what goes across
it.
Too bad you ignore the law of the jurisdictions that data from your
server(s) enter, huh?
So, when are you going to turn yourself in for violating laws in Russia, the
PRC, Japan, Malaysia, etc. ?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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16 May 2007 09:55:36 PM |
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:taP2i.1292$ua.517@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9932C29B854FD255229@130.133.1.4...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:puO2i.1093$J6.429@bigfe9:
"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9932BBBCD84E2255229@130.133.1.4...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:ebG2i.442$zk.166@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
I understand that persons or companies are considered private, but
when a newsgroup is made public it seems that it would be subject
to the Constitutional requirements, at least in the USA.
My news server in in Germany. Why would they be subject to the
United States Constitution?
Why would anything I do be subject to Germany's or the EU's laws?
Did that cause your brain to blow a fuse?
Idiot.
Blew a fuse, huh?
The United States does not own and operate the internet.
You're quite amiss in that statement.
The USA invented the internet.
The people of the USA invented the TCP/IP protocol.
Wilbur and Orvile Wright invented the airplane. That was then. The
United States does not own and operate the internet.
It's a giant network of computers, routers and data links.
So what?
Billions of people and corporations own little pieces of the
internet.
None of whom deserve any more tcp/ip address space than the people of
the USA who paid to invent it deserve.
That's not even distantly relevant. A private party decides what use
it's facilities are put to. If they choose not to put their property to
work carrying your rants, then your rants don't get carried on their
equipment. That's not censorship.
It's not subject to the US Constitution unless the US goventment
tries to limit speach or property rights of those who use or own
parts of it.
Anything that enters US space os that originates from US space is
subject to US law.
No. It's not censorship for a person to decide that their property will
not be used to spread your speach. Just as you have no right to
spraypaint your message across my garage door, you have no right to
spread it via my equipment. Private property rights here, not freedom
of speach.
Your ISP could kick your sorry ignorant ***** off their network for
violating your TOS,
TOS is not law, you fool.
No, fool, because there is no law that applies. You have no right to
demand others use their property and money spreading your views.
and you'd have no more right to complain than you
would if I killfiled you posts on my machine.
But, do you have the balls to kill them?
I dump my killfile every six months or so to see if anyone's grown up.
That's how you got out, skidmark.
Each of us who owns a computer or network is free to decide how it's
used and what goes across
it.
Too bad you ignore the law of the jurisdictions that data from your
server(s) enter, huh?
Too bad you make no sense.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
A doctrine insulates the devout not only against the realities around
them but also against their own selves. The fanatical believer is not
conscious of his envy, malice, pettiness and dishonesty. There is a wall
of words between his consciousness and his real self.
-- Eric Hoffer
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16 May 2007 11:41:31 PM |
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in message
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"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
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"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:ebG2i.442$zk.166@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
I understand that persons or companies are considered private, but
when a newsgroup is made public it seems that it would be subject to
the Constitutional requirements, at least in the USA.
My news server in in Germany. Why would they be subject to the United
States Constitution?
Why would anything I do be subject to Germany's or the EU's laws?
Did that cause your brain to blow a fuse?
Idiot.
Blew a fuse, huh?
The United States does not own and operate the internet.
You're quite amiss in that statement.
The USA invented the internet.
The World Wide Web was developed in 1989 by English computer scientist
Timothy Berners-Lee.
Smiler,
The godless one
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17 May 2007 01:58:16 AM |
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"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote in message
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The World Wide Web was developed in 1989 by English computer scientist
Timothy Berners-Lee.
Smiler,
The godless one
Agreed.
But the World Wide Web is not the internet- it is part of the internet.
The Internet began as Arpanet -a US military communication network which was
later abandoned by the military and used by scientists to communicate new
ideas.
Arpanet became the technical core of what would later become the Internet.
"The Internet" came to mean a global and large network using TCP/IP.
It grew from there.
--
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
"The only problem with Baptists is that they don't hold them underwater long
enough"
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19 May 2007 12:51:34 PM |
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 04:41:31 GMT, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com>
wrote:
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in message
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"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9932C29B854FD255229@130.133.1.4...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:puO2i.1093$J6.429@bigfe9:
"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9932BBBCD84E2255229@130.133.1.4...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:ebG2i.442$zk.166@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
I understand that persons or companies are considered private, but
when a newsgroup is made public it seems that it would be subject to
the Constitutional requirements, at least in the USA.
My news server in in Germany. Why would they be subject to the United
States Constitution?
Why would anything I do be subject to Germany's or the EU's laws?
Did that cause your brain to blow a fuse?
Idiot.
Blew a fuse, huh?
The United States does not own and operate the internet.
You're quite amiss in that statement.
The USA invented the internet.
The World Wide Web was developed in 1989 by English computer scientist
Timothy Berners-Lee.
Smiler,
The godless one
The American Government was opposed to the Internet being available
to the public. They wanted to keep access limited to government and
educational groups.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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16 May 2007 10:34:57 PM |
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John D. Wentzky wrote:
"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:puO2i.1093$J6.429@bigfe9:
"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9932BBBCD84E2255229@130.133.1.4...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:ebG2i.442$zk.166@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
I understand that persons or companies are considered private, but
when a newsgroup is made public it seems that it would be subject to
the Constitutional requirements, at least in the USA.
My news server in in Germany. Why would they be subject to the United
States Constitution?
Why would anything I do be subject to Germany's or the EU's laws?
Did that cause your brain to blow a fuse?
Idiot.
Blew a fuse, huh?
The United States does not own and operate the internet.
You're quite amiss in that statement.
The USA invented the internet.
The people of the USA invented the TCP/IP protocol.
And they do not own or operate the Internet.
It's a giant network of computers, routers and data links.
So what?
Billions of people and corporations own little pieces of the internet.
None of whom deserve any more tcp/ip address space than the people of the
USA who paid to invent it deserve.
So, we shouldn't drive modern cars because the Swiss invented the
internal combustion engine...?
It's not subject to the US Constitution unless the US goventment tries to
limit speach or
property rights of those who use or own parts of it.
Anything that enters US space os that originates from US space is subject to
US law.
Just like China!
Yet, the US cannot regulate traffic that doesn't originate in or enters
"US space".
Your ISP could kick your sorry ignorant ***** off their network for
violating your TOS,
TOS is not law, you fool.
He didn't say it was.
and you'd have no more right to complain than you
would if I killfiled you posts on my machine.
But, do you have the balls to kill them?
Err, what?
Each of us who owns a computer or network is free to decide how it's used
and what goes across
it.
Too bad you ignore the law of the jurisdictions that data from your
server(s) enter, huh?
And what "law of jurisdiction" are you referring to, eh?
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16 May 2007 10:40:26 PM |
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"DanielSan" <danielsangeo@comcast.net> wrote in message
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John D. Wentzky wrote:
"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9932C29B854FD255229@130.133.1.4...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:puO2i.1093$J6.429@bigfe9:
"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9932BBBCD84E2255229@130.133.1.4...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:ebG2i.442$zk.166@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
I understand that persons or companies are considered private, but
when a newsgroup is made public it seems that it would be subject to
the Constitutional requirements, at least in the USA.
My news server in in Germany. Why would they be subject to the United
States Constitution?
Why would anything I do be subject to Germany's or the EU's laws?
Did that cause your brain to blow a fuse?
Idiot.
Blew a fuse, huh?
The United States does not own and operate the internet.
You're quite amiss in that statement.
The USA invented the internet.
The people of the USA invented the TCP/IP protocol.
And they do not own or operate the Internet.
It's a giant network of computers, routers and data links.
So what?
Billions of people and corporations own little pieces of the internet.
None of whom deserve any more tcp/ip address space than the people of the
USA who paid to invent it deserve.
So, we shouldn't drive modern cars because the Swiss invented the internal
combustion engine...?
Internal combustion engines travel online?
It's not subject to the US Constitution unless the US goventment tries
to limit speach or
property rights of those who use or own parts of it.
Anything that enters US space or that originates from US space is subject
to US law.
Just like China!
And guess who is kicking ahss in economic production?
Yet, the US cannot regulate traffic that doesn't originate in or enters
"US space".
First part true, second part untrue.
Anyhting that enters US space is subject to US law.
Your ISP could kick your sorry ignorant ***** off their network for
violating your TOS,
TOS is not law, you fool.
He didn't say it was.
He sure acted like it was some sort of law.
and you'd have no more right to complain than you
would if I killfiled you posts on my machine.
But, do you have the balls to kill them?
Err, what?
my posts.
Each of us who owns a computer or network is free to decide how it's
used and what goes across
it.
Too bad you ignore the law of the jurisdictions that data from your
server(s) enter, huh?
And what "law of jurisdiction" are you referring to, eh?
USA has its own laws.
Any more questions?
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16 May 2007 10:50:11 PM |
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John D. Wentzky wrote:
"DanielSan" <danielsangeo@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:DqGdnVGETdjZUNbbnZ2dnUVZ_ruknZ2d@comcast.com...
John D. Wentzky wrote:
"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9932C29B854FD255229@130.133.1.4...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:puO2i.1093$J6.429@bigfe9:
"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9932BBBCD84E2255229@130.133.1.4...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:ebG2i.442$zk.166@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
I understand that persons or companies are considered private, but
when a newsgroup is made public it seems that it would be subject to
the Constitutional requirements, at least in the USA.
My news server in in Germany. Why would they be subject to the United
States Constitution?
Why would anything I do be subject to Germany's or the EU's laws?
Did that cause your brain to blow a fuse?
Idiot.
Blew a fuse, huh?
The United States does not own and operate the internet.
You're quite amiss in that statement.
The USA invented the internet.
The people of the USA invented the TCP/IP protocol.
And they do not own or operate the Internet.
It's a giant network of computers, routers and data links.
So what?
Billions of people and corporations own little pieces of the internet.
None of whom deserve any more tcp/ip address space than the people of the
USA who paid to invent it deserve.
So, we shouldn't drive modern cars because the Swiss invented the internal
combustion engine...?
Internal combustion engines travel online?
No, they travel on US Roads.
It's not subject to the US Constitution unless the US goventment tries
to limit speach or
property rights of those who use or own parts of it.
Anything that enters US space or that originates from US space is subject
to US law.
Just like China!
And guess who is kicking ahss in economic production?
Yet, the US cannot regulate traffic that doesn't originate in or enters
"US space".
First part true, second part untrue.
Anyhting that enters US space is subject to US law.
That's what I said. Here, I'll help you, because you seem to be
gramatically-challenged.
Remove the first part:
"Yet, the US cannot regulate traffic that doesn't enter 'US Space'."
Does that help?
Your ISP could kick your sorry ignorant ***** off their network for
violating your TOS,
TOS is not law, you fool.
He didn't say it was.
He sure acted like it was some sort of law.
It's the law of the company you deal with. You can be kicked off for
violating the terms of the contract.
and you'd have no more right to complain than you
would if I killfiled you posts on my machine.
But, do you have the balls to kill them?
Err, what?
my posts.
Killing your posts doesn't take balls.
Each of us who owns a computer or network is free to decide how it's
used and what goes across
it.
Too bad you ignore the law of the jurisdictions that data from your
server(s) enter, huh?
And what "law of jurisdiction" are you referring to, eh?
USA has its own laws.
Any more questions?
Yes. Just one more:
What laws are you referring to? Please cite the law(s) in question.
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| User: "" |
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17 May 2007 07:55:42 AM |
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On 17 May, 03:34, "John D. Wentzky" <johndwent...@alumni.furman.edu>
wrote:
<principle breaking mode>
The United States does not own and operate the internet.
You're quite amiss in that statement.
The USA invented the internet.
No, some citizens of the US invented the Transport and Network
protocols which are prevalent on it. The Internet (note the capital
"I" which distinguishes it from a private "internet" is a distributed
system. No one country "owns" an internetwork, from the moment it
stops being geographically limited to that country. If the US cut off
all connections to other countries tomorrow, I don't know what we'd
call it, but that internetwork would still continue.
The people of the USA invented the TCP/IP protocol.
Er...TCP/IP is not a protocol. It's *two* protocols, operating at
different conceptual layers of the OSI seven layer model. There are a
vast multiplicity of protocols which are used to give you the
experience you call "The Internet" - some developed in the US, some
not. *All* have had multinational input to get them where they are
today, which is one of the wonderful things about it.
It's a giant network of computers, routers and data links.
So what?
See previous comment about ownership.
Billions of people and corporations own little pieces of the internet.
None of whom deserve any more tcp/ip address space than the people of the
USA who paid to invent it deserve.
See previous comments re. protocols. By the way, what would a "TCP
address" look like?
It's not subject to the US Constitution unless the US goventment tries to
limit speach or
property rights of those who use or own parts of it.
Anything that enters US space os that originates from US space is subject to
US law.
Within the US. Outside, no. If the data entity is in breach of
international law, and/or the US has a reciprocal legal relationship
with the country concerned, they may be able to do something about
it. It is another interesting facet of the Internet: it is now far
beyond the control of any one government.
Your ISP could kick your sorry ignorant ***** off their network for
violating your TOS,
TOS is not law, you fool.
No, it's not, but you will have to go to another ISP, if your existing
one cares about PR. When I used to run NNTP servers, I used to
regularly send snot-mails to ISPs about their users trying to access
our servers (they couldn't get to them, but they still tried). We
took legal action against more than one ISP for ignoring the snot-
mails. It was fun.
<snip>
Too bad you ignore the law of the jurisdictions that data from your
server(s) enter, huh?- Hide quoted text -
USENET news is, by its nature, distributed to all newsservers that
take the feed, and their admins choose which groups to take. He
couldn't affect where his data is sent, even if he wanted to.
<\principle breaking mode>
Steve
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17 May 2007 04:49:36 AM |
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 22:34:07 -0400, "John D. Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> in alt.abortion with message-id
<taP2i.1292$ua.517@bignews1.bellsouth.net> wrote:
The United States does not own and operate the internet.
You're quite amiss in that statement.
The USA invented the internet.
The people of the USA invented the TCP/IP protocol.
True or not, so what?
It's a giant network of computers, routers and data links.
So what?
Billions of people and corporations own little pieces of the internet.
None of whom deserve any more tcp/ip address space than the people of the
USA who paid to invent it deserve.
No one deserves anything they cannot pay for. Or anything they cannot
find someone willing to sell to them.
It's not subject to the US Constitution unless the US goventment tries to
limit speach or
property rights of those who use or own parts of it.
Anything that enters US space os that originates from US space is subject to
US law.
Not electronic signals.
Your ISP could kick your sorry ignorant ***** off their network for
violating your TOS,
TOS is not law, you fool.
No, it a contractual obligation.
and you'd have no more right to complain than you
would if I killfiled you posts on my machine.
But, do you have the balls to kill them?
I would but this is more fun. I have killfiled many people. No balls
were involved, just a couple of mouse clicks.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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16 May 2007 09:35:08 PM |
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Still avoiding the post's topic question?
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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16 May 2007 09:56:41 PM |
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
Still avoiding the post's topic question?
Are you still supporting Colombia's economy?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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16 May 2007 09:57:49 PM |
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:pbP2i.1306$ua.686@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
Still avoiding the post's topic question?
That's been answered for you. Some told you the truth, that nobody
operates usenet, it's a very loose system. You didn't like that.
I lied to you and told you I ran the whole damn thing. You didn't like
that either. You are just too hard to please, skidmark.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
The Bible was written by the same people who said the Earth was flat.
-- bumper sticker
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| User: "John D. Wentzky" |
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16 May 2007 10:20:17 PM |
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"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9932CB84626CD255229@130.133.1.4...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:pbP2i.1306$ua.686@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
Still avoiding the post's topic question?
That's been answered for you. Some told you the truth, that nobody
operates usenet, it's a very loose system. You didn't like that.
I lied to you and told you I ran the whole damn thing. You didn't like
that either. You are just too hard to please, skidmark.
I looked for it myself.
www.Big-8.org is about as close as I got to finding the identities of the
persons and/or corporations who are responsible for each newsgroup.
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16 May 2007 10:34:54 PM |
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"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:LRP2i.1864$ua.1305@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
"Enkidu" <fox_rgfszx@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9932CB84626CD255229@130.133.1.4...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> wrote in
news:pbP2i.1306$ua.686@bignews1.bellsouth.net:
Still avoiding the post's topic question?
That's been answered for you. Some told you the truth, that nobody
operates usenet, it's a very loose system. You didn't like that.
I lied to you and told you I ran the whole damn thing. You didn't
like that either. You are just too hard to please, skidmark.
I looked for it myself.
www.Big-8.org is about as close as I got to finding the identities of
the persons and/or corporations who are responsible for each
newsgroup.
Idiot. There is nobody responsible for usenet. Every ISP has a news
served. They pass the messages along and among each other. Want to run
a news server? You can. (Well, that's the rhetorical you, not the
actual you, but only because you are too stupid to bang two rocks
together.)
There are probably hundreds of thousands of news servers in the world,
each administered by people who don't talk to each other or know each
other. Each administrator decides which news groups his server carries.
Each on could kill your messages (if you were important enough to care
about), but only on his server.
Now, it used to be possible to kill a post by issuing a special type of
message, but that was abused to such an extent that very few news
servers honor them anymore, so it's effectively impossible to kill a
usenet post *EXCEPT FROM THE ORIGINATING NEWS SERVER*. That would be
Bell South. The could (if they cared enough) kill your posts before
they were passed along to thousands of other news servers. Technically,
it's possible. In reality, you are not worth the trouble, Skidmark.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby
can't chew it."
-Mark Twain
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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16 May 2007 10:39:20 PM |
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John D. Wentzky wrote:
Still avoiding the post's topic question?
No one "operates" a newsgroup. Once a newsgroup is created, it is
allowed onto news servers by various NNTP providers and is propagated
from there.
So, to answer your back-asswards question: The "operator" is the
individual NNTP provider. For example, you're accessing these two
newsgroups via BellSouth's servers.
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| User: "Attila" |
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17 May 2007 04:51:25 AM |
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 22:35:08 -0400, "John D. Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> in alt.abortion with message-id
<pbP2i.1306$ua.686@bignews1.bellsouth.net> wrote:
Still avoiding the post's topic question?
It's been answered many times.
No one. The question is meaningless.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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16 May 2007 05:41:44 PM |
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 12:26:05 -0400, "John D. Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> in alt.abortion with message-id
<ebG2i.442$zk.166@bignews4.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkr6pgwxky.fsf@eris.io.com...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkps51mirx.fsf@eris.io.com...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In the interest of free speech, the above question is posed.
You are a certifiable idiot, Convicted Criminal Wentzky...considering
how
long you've been online without learning much of anything about how the
Internet and Usenet are organized. (Free clue: in the alt.* hierarchy,
no
one runs any newsgroup.
Ridiculous. When I see my messages NOT posting, I am sure there is
censorship occurring.
You're "sure" of quite a few things that have no connection with reality.
ISPs are free to choose which newsgroups they carry on their NNTP
servers.)
So, why are any of them neglecting to post messages?
The censorship is obvious at times.
Did it ever occur to you to ask the news admins at alumni.furman.edu
whether
they were having problems with their NNTP setup?
I don't go through alumni.furman.edu.
My isp is bellsouth.
I asked them about this situation before, and the problem evaporated.
Seems that the only time a post of mine doesn't post is when I cross-post to
any of those 'white' groups.
Whatever those are.
So, maybe the problem is with someone affiliated with them.
The only other possibility seems to be that someone or a group of people is
afraid of the 'white' groups receiving the crossposts.
You are probably hitting a crosspost limit.
Whatever is the cause of it sure is weird in this 'Freedom of Speech'
nation.
I understand that persons or companies are considered private, but when a
newsgroup is made public it seems that it would be subject to the
Constitutional requirements, at least in the USA.
It isn't. USENET is international.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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16 May 2007 07:53:36 PM |
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"Attila" <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 12:26:05 -0400, "John D. Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> in alt.abortion with message-id
<ebG2i.442$zk.166@bignews4.bellsouth.net> wrote:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkr6pgwxky.fsf@eris.io.com...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:szkps51mirx.fsf@eris.io.com...
"John D. Wentzky" <johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> writes:
In the interest of free speech, the above question is posed.
You are a certifiable idiot, Convicted Criminal Wentzky...considering
how
long you've been online without learning much of anything about how
the
Internet and Usenet are organized. (Free clue: in the alt.*
hierarchy,
no
one runs any newsgroup.
Ridiculous. When I see my messages NOT posting, I am sure there is
censorship occurring.
You're "sure" of quite a few things that have no connection with
reality.
ISPs are free to choose which newsgroups they carry on their NNTP
servers.)
So, why are any of them neglecting to post messages?
The censorship is obvious at times.
Did it ever occur to you to ask the news admins at alumni.furman.edu
whether
they were having problems with their NNTP setup?
I don't go through alumni.furman.edu.
My isp is bellsouth.
I asked them about this situation before, and the problem evaporated.
Seems that the only time a post of mine doesn't post is when I cross-post
to
any of those 'white' groups.
Whatever those are.
So, maybe the problem is with someone affiliated with them.
The only other possibility seems to be that someone or a group of people
is
afraid of the 'white' groups receiving the crossposts.
You are probably hitting a crosspost limit.
Not what has occurred.
Whatever is the cause of it sure is weird in this 'Freedom of Speech'
nation.
I understand that persons or companies are considered private, but when a
newsgroup is made public it seems that it would be subject to the
Constitutional requirements, at least in the USA.
It isn't. USENET is international.
Wrong. Anything that enters or emanates within or from the USA is subject to
US law.
Your anti-USA idea is criminal to the USA and its people.
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17 May 2007 04:45:00 AM |
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 20:53:36 -0400, "John D. Wentzky"
<johndwentzky@alumni.furman.edu> in alt.abortion with message-id
<eIN2i.1079$J6.182@bigfe9> wrote:
Whatever is the cause of it sure is weird in this 'Freedom of Speech'
nation.
I understand that persons or companies are considered private, but when a
newsgroup is made public it seems that it would be subject to the
Constitutional requirements, at least in the USA.
It isn't. USENET is international.
Wrong. Anything that enters or emanates within or from the USA is subject to
US law.
Your anti-USA idea is criminal to the USA and its people.
I am not sure if you are really stupid or just impossibly ignorant,
but the result is the same.
Mildly amusing.
How can anyone monitor what electronically enters the US via the
Internet? Unsuccessful efforts have been made to do some of this
simply to stop terroristic attacks.
No one cares about an individual problem.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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