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31 Jul 2003 07:07:31 PM |
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Re: Who killed Jesus? Romans or Jews? |
r+@somis.org (?R.L. Measures) wrote in message news:<r+-3107031022270001@192.168.1.200>...
In article <seeiiv8c7pg02prq3bqpucfqrs4qms38hh@4ax.com>, The Etobian
<crocdp@eticxe.com> wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 06:21:26 -0700, r+@somis.org (?R.L. Measures)
wrote:
In article <92rgivcf0sd60bvveqfgf6004it5ipj75g@4ax.com>, The Etobian
<crocdp@eticxe.com> wrote:
On 30 Jul 2003 17:52:20 -0700, (Steppenpup)
wrote:
I've often heard it said that Romans really killed Jesus, not Jews; in
other words, Christians should have been persecuting Italians for the
past 2000 yrs, not Jews.
But, whenever I see some movie about Jesus, I can never tell who's
getting the blame, Romans or Jews.
But, who really killed Jesus?
Who killed Jesus? We ALL did. He died for our sins.
*** But we had to kill him so we wouldn't be tortured for eternity by one
of God's creations -- Satan.
God created Satan, but Satan created evil.
*** Satan was a mistake?
No, God didn't create Satan. We created Satan because God willed us to
be free. If god didn't give us free will and simply made us good, we'd
be like robots, doing simply as we were programmed. But, god us the
freedom to do good or bad, and evil arose from there.
If tomorrow god killed satan and destroyed hell, satan would rise
again because we would still have the freedom to kill, to lie and
cheat, to worship the golden calf, to watch star trek, to say bad
things about Bubblegum Crisis, and the devil would rise again, from
our very hearts. Satan resides within God gift to us and that is
freedom. It is up to us to choose God or Satan, to choose Attack of
the Clones(God's movie) or Lord of the Rings(work of the devil).
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| User: "Diederik" |
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12 Aug 2003 08:54:38 PM |
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<snip>
God created Satan, but Satan created evil.
Actually God created evil. "I form the light, and create darkness: I
make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." (Isaiah
45:7 KJV)
<snip>
Diederik
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| User: "An Evil Meme" |
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31 Jul 2003 07:12:35 PM |
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Jesus was killed by the Romans. He was crucified which under Roman law is how
an enemy of the state was killed. If he'd been killed by the Jews then under
Jewish law he would have been stoned not crucified.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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31 Jul 2003 10:49:18 PM |
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"An Evil Meme" <anevilmeme@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030731201235.00688.00001043@mb-m25.aol.com...
Jesus was killed by the Romans. He was crucified which under Roman law is
how
an enemy of the state was killed. If he'd been killed by the Jews then
under
Jewish law he would have been stoned not crucified.
So really, the Christians have the Roman Soldiers to thank for their
salvation. Cool!
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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02 Aug 2003 01:41:43 AM |
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On 31 Jul 2003 17:07:31 -0700, (Steppenpup)
posted in alt.atheism:
God created Satan, but Satan created evil.
*** Satan was a mistake?
No, God didn't create Satan.
Read your bible - your god created everything. He says so. Should we
believe you or him?
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"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains
premature today."
- Isaac Asimov
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "duke32" |
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03 Aug 2003 06:14:22 AM |
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On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 06:41:43 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
God created Satan, but Satan created evil.
*** Satan was a mistake?
No, God didn't create Satan.
Read your bible - your god created everything. He says so. Should we
believe you or him?
Well, alklein, it does take minimal intelligence to understand.
God gave man a free will to choose either he, God, or evil. Evil's
name is satan. Get it - evil satan.
Tsk, tsk, tsk, alklein - no understanding at first contact, no
understanding now.
duke, American-American
*****
First Principle and Foundation: Man was created
to praise, reverence, and serve God, and by this
means to save his soul; and the other things on
the face of the earth were created for man's sake,
and in order to aid him in the prosecution of the
end for which he was created.
*****
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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03 Aug 2003 11:22:51 PM |
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In article <4drpivshk9nbfhbrqd4m2lafo0ha3d4d6d@4ax.com>,
duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote:
[...]
duke, American-American
*****
First Principle and Foundation: Man was created
to praise, reverence, and serve God, and by this
means to save his soul; and the other things on
the face of the earth were created for man's sake,
and in order to aid him in the prosecution of the
end for which he was created.
*****
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Julian had a different opinion:
"Christians are like a council of frogs in a marsh or a synod of
worms on a dung-hill croaking and squeaking 'for our sakes was the
world created.'"
- Julian The Apostate (332-363)
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| User: "Fred Young" |
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06 Aug 2003 11:30:24 PM |
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On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 04:08:32 GMT, "CM" <CM@CM.not.really> wrote:
I noticed that you evaded the question, and the point.
Talk about "Free will" is irrelevant in the discussion of the
*origin* of "evil Satan". Besides, how could we possibly choose
between "Evil Satan" and God, unless God had already created
that "Evil Satan"?
The Scripture doesn't say God created an "Evil" Satan; nor did He.
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Fred Young
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| User: "CM" |
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13 Aug 2003 10:54:12 PM |
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I noticed that you evaded the question, and the point.
Talk about "Free will" is irrelevant in the discussion of the
*origin* of "evil Satan". Besides, how could we possibly choose
between "Evil Satan" and God, unless God had already created
that "Evil Satan"?
The Scripture doesn't say God created an "Evil" Satan; nor did He.
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace,
and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."
(Isaiah 45:7 KJV)
Scriptures say God created evil, and God created all things.
Of course, if you say Satan is no thing...
CM
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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03 Aug 2003 06:15:10 AM |
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duke32 wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 06:41:43 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
God created Satan, but Satan created evil.
*** Satan was a mistake?
No, God didn't create Satan.
Read your bible - your god created everything. He says so. Should we
believe you or him?
Well, alklein, it does take minimal intelligence to understand.
God gave man a free will to choose either he, God, or evil. Evil's
name is satan. Get it - evil satan.
Which means that God must have created evil so that man had the opportunity
to choose it.
It's not complicated.
Tsk, tsk, tsk, alklein - no understanding at first contact, no
understanding now.
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Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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03 Aug 2003 03:40:15 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 12:15:10 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
duke32 wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 06:41:43 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
God created Satan, but Satan created evil.
*** Satan was a mistake?
No, God didn't create Satan.
Read your bible - your god created everything. He says so. Should we
believe you or him?
Well, alklein, it does take minimal intelligence to understand.
God gave man a free will to choose either he, God, or evil. Evil's
name is satan. Get it - evil satan.
Which means that God must have created evil so that man had the opportunity
to choose it.
It's not complicated.
For Puke "hello" is much too complicated to grasp.
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"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but
not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."
-A. Einstein (1929 -- Einstein Archive 33-272)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "duke32" |
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03 Aug 2003 05:43:39 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 20:40:15 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
For Puke "hello" is much too complicated to grasp.
Tsk, tsk, tsk, alklein - no understanding at first contact, no
understanding now.
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
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| User: "duke32" |
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03 Aug 2003 05:42:48 PM |
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On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 12:15:10 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
God gave man a free will to choose either he, God, or evil. Evil's
name is satan. Get it - evil satan.
Which means that God must have created evil so that man had the opportunity
to choose it.
Now there's a real winner of a comment.
It's not complicated.
I know.
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
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| User: "Michael Painter" |
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03 Aug 2003 09:24:08 PM |
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"duke32" <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:js3rivg5urmj07qtvab60ljr52o4ppgq9h@4ax.com...
On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 12:15:10 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
God gave man a free will to choose either he, God, or evil. Evil's
name is satan. Get it - evil satan.
Which means that God must have created evil so that man had the
opportunity
to choose it.
Now there's a real winner of a comment.
What Kevin did was make a statement, not a comment.
What you did was make a comment.
Comments are not answers.
It's not complicated.
I know.
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
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03 Aug 2003 08:18:29 PM |
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duke32 wrote:
Well, alklein, it does take minimal intelligence to understand.
Ah, so that must be why you understand it so well.
First Principle and Foundation: Man was created
to praise, reverence, and serve God, and by this
means to save his soul; and the other things on
the face of the earth were created for man's sake,
and in order to aid him in the prosecution of the
end for which he was created.
And this is just sad.
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Got to be a Chocolate Jesus, better than a cup of gold
See, only a Chocolate Jesus can satisfy my soul
When the weather gets rough and its whiskey in the shade
Best to wrap your Savior up in cellophane
He flows like the Big Muddy, but that's okay
Pour him over ice-cream for a nice parfait...
Got to be a Chocolate Jesus, make me feel so good inside
Got to be a Chocolate Jesus, keep me satisfied
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04 Aug 2003 01:48:13 PM |
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 01:18:29 GMT, Charles & Mambo <Duckman@get.lost>
wrote:
Well, alklein, it does take minimal intelligence to understand.
Ah, so that must be why you understand it so well.
With a whole lot left over.
First Principle and Foundation: Man was created
to praise, reverence, and serve God, and by this
means to save his soul; and the other things on
the face of the earth were created for man's sake,
and in order to aid him in the prosecution of the
end for which he was created.
And this is just sad.
Why?
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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04 Aug 2003 07:08:11 PM |
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In article <8hativ4tkmcscmjaca9e8m56ghoa3cfe3u@4ax.com>,
duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 01:18:29 GMT, Charles & Mambo <Duckman@get.lost>
wrote:
Well, alklein, it does take minimal intelligence to understand.
Ah, so that must be why you understand it so well.
With a whole lot left over.
First Principle and Foundation: Man was created
to praise, reverence, and serve God, and by this
means to save his soul; and the other things on
the face of the earth were created for man's sake,
and in order to aid him in the prosecution of the
end for which he was created.
*
Christians are like a council of frogs in a marsh
or a synod of worms on a dung-hill croaking and
squeaking 'for our sakes was the world created'.
--Julian The Apostate (332-363)
earle
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05 Aug 2003 12:40:47 PM |
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 00:08:11 GMT, Earle Jones
<earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
First Principle and Foundation: Man was created
to praise, reverence, and serve God, and by this
means to save his soul; and the other things on
the face of the earth were created for man's sake,
and in order to aid him in the prosecution of the
end for which he was created.
*
Christians are like a council of frogs in a marsh
or a synod of worms on a dung-hill croaking and
squeaking 'for our sakes was the world created'.
--Julian The Apostate (332-363)
earle
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a·pos·ta·sy (…-p¼s“t…-s¶) n., pl. a·pos·ta·sies. Abandonment of one's
religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause.
a·pos·tate (…-p¼s“t³t”, -t¹t) n. One who practices apostasy.
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
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05 Aug 2003 02:04:25 PM |
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In article <5sqvivc9dme6bft7dp59gj2bq33vrmms3k@4ax.com>,
duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 00:08:11 GMT, Earle Jones
<earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
First Principle and Foundation: Man was created
to praise, reverence, and serve God, and by this
means to save his soul; and the other things on
the face of the earth were created for man's sake,
and in order to aid him in the prosecution of the
end for which he was created.
*
Christians are like a council of frogs in a marsh
or a synod of worms on a dung-hill croaking and
squeaking 'for our sakes was the world created'.
--Julian The Apostate (332-363)
earle
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a·pos·ta·sy (…-p¼s“t…-s¶) n., pl. a·pos·ta·sies. Abandonment of one's
religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause.
a·pos·tate (…-p¼s“t³t”, -t¹t) n. One who practices apostasy.
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
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"But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy
master and to thee to speak these words? [hath he]
not [sent me] to the men that sit upon the wall,
that they may eat their own dung, and drinktheir
own ***** with you?"
--Isaiah 36:12 (KJV)
earle
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05 Aug 2003 01:55:25 AM |
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duke32 wrote:
First Principle and Foundation: Man was created
to praise, reverence, and serve God, and by this
means to save his soul; and the other things on
the face of the earth were created for man's sake,
and in order to aid him in the prosecution of the
end for which he was created.
And this is just sad.
Why?
Spend your life kneeling turned to Mecca, bowing repeatedly before a wall,
wearing special underwear, sacrificing animals, constantly praising an
allegedly all-powerful but somehow very insecure ghost, etc.
Why? Because you have one life only and you ***** it away on *****.
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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05 Aug 2003 02:06:14 PM |
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In article <3F2F54D2.6090808@get.lost>,
Charles & Mambo <Duckman@get.lost> wrote:
duke32 wrote:
First Principle and Foundation: Man was created
to praise, reverence, and serve God, and by this
means to save his soul; and the other things on
the face of the earth were created for man's sake,
and in order to aid him in the prosecution of the
end for which he was created.
And this is just sad.
Why?
Spend your life kneeling turned to Mecca, bowing repeatedly before a wall,
wearing special underwear, sacrificing animals, constantly praising an
allegedly all-powerful but somehow very insecure ghost, etc.
Why? Because you have one life only and you ***** it away on *****.
*
Sagan said the same thing:
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this
astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many
dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy."
--Carl Sagan
earle
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05 Aug 2003 12:43:01 PM |
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 06:55:25 GMT, Charles & Mambo <Duckman@get.lost>
wrote:
First Principle and Foundation: Man was created
to praise, reverence, and serve God, and by this
means to save his soul; and the other things on
the face of the earth were created for man's sake,
and in order to aid him in the prosecution of the
end for which he was created.
And this is just sad.
Why?
Spend your life kneeling turned to Mecca, bowing repeatedly before a wall,
wearing special underwear, sacrificing animals, constantly praising an
allegedly all-powerful but somehow very insecure ghost, etc.
Why? Because you have one life only and you ***** it away on *****.
Are you one of those people that believe that mythical fable that
there is no almighty God without so much as one shred of evidence to
support your belief?
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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05 Aug 2003 02:07:47 PM |
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In article <c0rvivglgsvfe2gile3vur5sjb8h90njae@4ax.com>,
duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 06:55:25 GMT, Charles & Mambo <Duckman@get.lost>
wrote:
First Principle and Foundation: Man was created
to praise, reverence, and serve God, and by this
means to save his soul; and the other things on
the face of the earth were created for man's sake,
and in order to aid him in the prosecution of the
end for which he was created.
And this is just sad.
Why?
Spend your life kneeling turned to Mecca, bowing repeatedly before a wall,
wearing special underwear, sacrificing animals, constantly praising an
allegedly all-powerful but somehow very insecure ghost, etc.
Why? Because you have one life only and you ***** it away on *****.
Are you one of those people that believe that mythical fable that
there is no almighty God without so much as one shred of evidence to
support your belief?
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That's a joke!
There is also no evidence to support the nonexistence of the fabled
pink flying unicorn.
Learn some logic, dude.
earle
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05 Aug 2003 03:12:41 PM |
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"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:earle.jones-F6923F.12074705082003@netnews.attbi.com...
There is also no evidence to support the nonexistence of the fabled
pink flying unicorn.
Learn some logic, dude.
earle
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Is there any evidence that says there even IS (or ever was) one?
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05 Aug 2003 05:40:21 PM |
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"Scott" <brn2dipATyahooDOTcom> expounded:
"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:earle.jones-F6923F.12074705082003@netnews.attbi.com...
There is also no evidence to support the nonexistence of the fabled
pink flying unicorn.
Learn some logic, dude.
earle
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Is there any evidence that says there even IS (or ever was) one?
Exactly the same amount as there is fo the existence of god
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06 Aug 2003 05:15:31 PM |
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"Scott" <brn2dipATyahooDOTcom> wrote in message
news:z5ednXOSUZWuja2iXTWJjg@comcast.com...
"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:earle.jones-F6923F.12074705082003@netnews.attbi.com...
There is also no evidence to support the nonexistence of the fabled
pink flying unicorn.
Learn some logic, dude.
earle
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Is there any evidence that says there even IS (or ever was) one?
That would be known today as a baby white rhino. It never did fly in the
fables, though. It was commented upon by multiple travelers to the interior
of Africa as early as the days of Aristotle and Pliny, and later was
mentioned by Marco Polo.
Even a fable can have a sliver of truth at its core.
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| User: "Paul M Davis" |
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07 Aug 2003 09:09:52 AM |
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"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:earle.jones-41BE20.16065906082003@netnews.attbi.com...
In article <76fYa.549$M6.38452@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
"Paul M Davis" <pmdla@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott" <brn2dipATyahooDOTcom> wrote in message
news:z5ednXOSUZWuja2iXTWJjg@comcast.com...
"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:earle.jones-F6923F.12074705082003@netnews.attbi.com...
There is also no evidence to support the nonexistence of the fabled
pink flying unicorn.
Learn some logic, dude.
earle
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Is there any evidence that says there even IS (or ever was) one?
That would be known today as a baby white rhino. It never did fly in
the
fables, though. It was commented upon by multiple travelers to the
interior
of Africa as early as the days of Aristotle and Pliny, and later was
mentioned by Marco Polo.
Even a fable can have a sliver of truth at its core.
*
Is there a "sliver of truth" to the fable of virgin birth, or life
after death, or any of the other dozens of Biblical fables? What is
the "sliver of truth" in the parable that the Lord told the citizens
to kill the poor guy who was gathering some sticks on the Sabbath?
(See Exodus)
Yes, I believe that that is at least a sliver of truth behind those
teachings, but only for those persons who are studious enough to seek it
out.
Frankly, you (initially) don't strick me as being an open minded and
learning type of person, let alone have a sense of imagination.
And BTW, the "flying pink unicorn" is a creature invented by someone
in this newsgroup to serve the purpose that I put to it -- a creature
whose existence is in question -- there being no evidence one way or
another. I don't think it was derived from some white rhino.
earle
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Yes, I understood that invention to be the case. But yet, the discussion of
unicorns in general (even this specific instance) can be indirectly traced
through legend to early accounts of rhinos. There is actually a biological
reality behind the discussion, hence a "sliver of truth".
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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| Title: Re: Who killed Jesus? Romans or Jews? |
05 Aug 2003 11:06:08 PM |
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In article <z5ednXOSUZWuja2iXTWJjg@comcast.com>,
"Scott" <brn2dipATyahooDOTcom> wrote:
"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:earle.jones-F6923F.12074705082003@netnews.attbi.com...
There is also no evidence to support the nonexistence of the fabled
pink flying unicorn.
Learn some logic, dude.
earle
*
Is there any evidence that says there even IS (or ever was) one?
* One what?
One "God" or one "flying pink unicorn"?
The evidence is the same for both.
earle
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| User: "duke32" |
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| Title: Re: Who killed Jesus? Romans or Jews? |
05 Aug 2003 05:13:55 PM |
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 19:07:47 GMT, Earle Jones
<earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
Are you one of those people that believe that mythical fable that
there is no almighty God without so much as one shred of evidence to
support your belief?
*
That's a joke!
There is also no evidence to support the nonexistence of the fabled
pink flying unicorn.
So you don't know at all if there is no almighty God or no pink
unicorns. You just declare both persona non grata
persona non gra·ta (n¼n grä“t…, gr²t“…) adj. Fully unacceptable or
unwelcome,
But we've always known that to be the shallow depth of your beliefs.
Learn some logic, dude.
Gotcha covered.
You see, my faith is based on my evidence, which is deeply rooted in
logical reasoning.
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
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| User: "Earle Jones" |
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| Title: Re: Who killed Jesus? Romans or Jews? |
05 Aug 2003 11:04:16 PM |
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In article <1na0jvsup75stbpisljk14lal0jrb4jqp5@4ax.com>,
duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 19:07:47 GMT, Earle Jones
<earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
Are you one of those people that believe that mythical fable that
there is no almighty God without so much as one shred of evidence to
support your belief?
*
That's a joke!
There is also no evidence to support the nonexistence of the fabled
pink flying unicorn.
So you don't know at all if there is no almighty God or no pink
unicorns. You just declare both persona non grata
persona non gra·ta (n¼n grä“t…, gr²t“…) adj. Fully unacceptable or
unwelcome,
But we've always known that to be the shallow depth of your beliefs.
Learn some logic, dude.
Gotcha covered.
You see, my faith is based on my evidence, which is deeply rooted in
logical reasoning.
*
I am not interested in your faith.
However, being a scientist/engineer I am very interested in your
evidence. Could you please describe some of your "deeply rooted"
evidence in "logical reasoning". That would be helpful to me.
Personally, I have not found any evidence and it is not from a lack of
searching. For the past 60-plus years, I have looked for any evidence
for any "God". And I have not found any.
I have found a lot of what Christians call evidence: The very grass,
the very trees, the very air, the very clouds, etc. By the way, in
this newsgroup, this is known as the "very" evidence.
The Bible, which is an old error-prone tome written by uneducated
bronze-age men, has more conflicts and patently outright
impossibilities that render it worthless as "evidence". My sophomore
biology text has more credibility than your bible.
Is there any evidence for your beliefs?
Show it here, please.
Best regards,
earle
*
PS: I do not want to raise impossible demands on you. If your
beliefs in your "God" are based on your "faith", that is fine with me.
Faith is to me belief without evidence. I respect one's faith, but I
think it should be identified as such.
We once posted a suggested phrase:
"My belief in God is based on my faith and not on any physical
evidence, but that is my belief."
Surprisingly, several people said that this is exactly their point of
view. I respect that point of view. But when a Christian begins to
quote facts about entropy, the second law of thermodynamics, and gaps
in the fossil record to justify his belief in a "God", I raise my
objection.
Best regards,
ej
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| User: "Doug Semler" |
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| Title: Re: Who killed Jesus? Romans or Jews? |
07 Aug 2003 09:38:34 AM |
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At some point in the past, Mike Painter <mpainteratattdotnet> slavered,
and posted this:
"duke32" <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:c2t2jvgpbo0l1gpulvqd6f7ra9s37npr72@4ax.com...
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 04:04:16 GMT, Earle Jones
<earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
You see, my faith is based on my evidence, which is deeply rooted
in logical reasoning.
However, being a scientist/engineer I am very interested in your
evidence. Could you please describe some of your "deeply rooted"
evidence in "logical reasoning". That would be helpful to me.
Duke doesn't understand the first concepts of logic, beginning with
knowledge of the difference between valid and sound arguements, the
presentation of inferrence, and most recently showing his work with respect
to the inferrences he makes.
Hey, I'm an engineer also.
If duke's an engineer, the Easter bunny is real.
Most of the engineers I know are not afraid to mention where they
went to school and demonstrate that they know something about the
courses they took there.
I've also never met one who mentioned going to an "engineering school"
Perhaps he has a train set...
I meant to comment on this earlier...perhaps he means ITT Tech or DeVry.
Real high quality "engineering schools." lol. I seriously doubt he means
such "engineering schools" as CalTech or MIT.
Although it would explain his (seemingly) lack of a well-rounded education
(i.e. one from an accredited University which requires students to take
courses in all disciplines). Hell, even such schools as Cal Tech, MIT, and
Carnegie Mellon require Humanities courses be taken. (Although my uncle
jokingly gave them alternate names, such as "The Mathematics of English").
--
Doug Semler
http://home.wideopenwest.com/~doug_semler
a.a. #705, BAAWA. EAC Guardian of the Horn of the IPU (pbuhh).
I hate spam, standard email address munging applied.
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DNRC o-
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