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User: "Pastor Frank"
Date: 16 Jan 2007 10:10:21 PM
Object: Re: Why Are Atheists So Angry?
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No harm? Look at all the killing in the name of religion. Look at the
hate, discrimination and wars that christianity has caused.

Those were atheist communists, NOT Christians. See below


Wrong again.
Hitler was a devout roman catholic who murdered hundreds of thousands of
communists, jahovahs and jews.

Only in your atheist imagination. Hitler had no use for Jews, Christ
included. See below
Pastor Frank
HITLER
Hitler certainly wasn't a practicing Catholic, nor yet an atheist, for
he thought of himself as the Messiah come to deliver the Aryan race from
Jewish domination. Hitler wasn't about to make an exception for Jesus in his
dislike, if not hatred of Jews and all thing Jewish. That's why he sought to
revive the ancient Germanic religions with Odin, Loki, Frey, Thor etc.,
replacing Christianity.
Hitler was one of the first "neo-pagans" if you will.
--Dusty Dahmer
"What is this God who takes pleasure in only seeing men grovel before
Him? Try to picture to yourselves the meaning of the following, quite
simple story. God creates the conditions for sin. Later on He succeeds,
with the help of the Devil, in causing man to sin. Then he employs a virgin
to bring into the world a son who, by His death, will redeem humanity!
[Adolf Hitler December 13th 1941 From Martin Bormann's book 'Hitlers
Table-talk']
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User: "Eva"

Title: Re: Why Are Atheists So Angry? 17 Jan 2007 07:56:28 AM
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No harm? Look at all the killing in the name of religion. Look at the
hate, discrimination and wars that christianity has caused.

Those were atheist communists, NOT Christians. See below


Wrong again.
Hitler was a devout roman catholic who murdered hundreds of thousands of
communists, jahovahs and jews.

Only in your atheist imagination. Hitler had no use for Jews, Christ
included. See below

Pastor Frank

HITLER
Hitler certainly wasn't a practicing Catholic, nor yet an atheist, for
he thought of himself as the Messiah come to deliver the Aryan race from
Jewish domination. Hitler wasn't about to make an exception for Jesus in
his
dislike, if not hatred of Jews and all thing Jewish. That's why he sought
to
revive the ancient Germanic religions with Odin, Loki, Frey, Thor etc.,
replacing Christianity.
Hitler was one of the first "neo-pagans" if you will.
--Dusty Dahmer

"What is this God who takes pleasure in only seeing men grovel before
Him? Try to picture to yourselves the meaning of the following, quite
simple story. God creates the conditions for sin. Later on He succeeds,
with the help of the Devil, in causing man to sin. Then he employs a
virgin
to bring into the world a son who, by His death, will redeem humanity!
[Adolf Hitler December 13th 1941 From Martin Bormann's book 'Hitlers
Table-talk']



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

It was Himmler obsessed with pagan rites. He was seeking to find proof of
Aryan superiority in ancient Germanic culture. Hitler was most certainly a
Catholic, That's WHY he felt they should be exterminated, for having Jesus
killed. Try reading Mein Kampf instead of a third-hand source before you
start throwing *****.
Eva
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User: "Pastor Frank"

Title: Re: Why Are Atheists So Angry? 17 Jan 2007 11:29:18 AM
"Eva" <evajung666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It was Himmler obsessed with pagan rites. He was seeking to find proof of
Aryan superiority in ancient Germanic culture. Hitler was most certainly a
Catholic, That's WHY he felt they should be exterminated, for having Jesus
killed. Try reading Mein Kampf instead of a third-hand source before you
start throwing *****.
Eva

"*****" Indeed!!! Like so many Catholics, Hitler had been baptized as
a baby, yet never darkened the doorway of any church thereafter. However he
may have known the Jewish Tanakh and it's prescription for the unwanted in
the country, for he applied the very same methodology in the Tanakh to rid
his country of the unwanted.
I quote the Tanakh below to refresh your memory. Btw you would be
surprised how many Jews justify such actions at the behest of God, ...their
God, and applied to others of course, but not the reverse, i.e. someone
else's God and applied to Jews, as in the case of Hitler.
Pastor Frank
The below atrocities were committed shortly after the God of the Jews,
YHVH, gave Moses the 10 commandments, forbidding Jews to covet their
neighbour's property and kill them to get a hold of it.
We know through Christ, that our glorious Father which is in heaven
never commands anyone to kill, but rather to love and convert the
unconverted. Yet Jews and some Christians want us to believe, that YHVH,
though "the same yesterday, today and tomorrow" gave dispensation to
Jews to commit the sins of both coveting and fratricide. Jews were to kill
their Semitic brothers, sisters and their children and life-stock, in fact
they were to "kill all that breatheth" in the entire country, in order for
them to "occupy the land" and "reap where you have not sown". The
result was the horrific obscenity below, a genocidal holocaust of gigantic
proportions.
--------
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as YHVH, the
God of Israel, commanded."
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Psalms 137:9 - Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little
ones against the stones.
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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User: "Dubh Ghall"

Title: Re: Why Are Atheists So Angry? 18 Jan 2007 07:39:35 AM
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:29:18 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

"Eva" <evajung666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It was Himmler obsessed with pagan rites. He was seeking to find proof of
Aryan superiority in ancient Germanic culture. Hitler was most certainly a
Catholic, That's WHY he felt they should be exterminated, for having Jesus
killed. Try reading Mein Kampf instead of a third-hand source before you
start throwing *****.
Eva

"*****" Indeed!!! Like so many Catholics, Hitler had been baptized as
a baby, yet never darkened the doorway of any church thereafter.

Against all the evidence of history, you insist on telling your lie.
http://nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
http://nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm
Just a couple of sites, but there are hundreds of web sites carrying
documents and pictures which attest to Hitler's beliefs.
snip irrelevance

--------
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as YHVH, the
God of Israel, commanded."

You forgot the most important part of the story.
JOS 10:11 And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and
were
in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down great stones
from
heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which
died with
hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword.
JOS 10:12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD
delivered up
the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight
of
Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the
valley of
Ajalon.
JOS 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the
people had
avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the
book of
Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not
to go
down about a whole day.
JOS 10:14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that
the LORD
hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.
Now tell us, Frank, if all that killing was agains't God's will: Who
made the sun stand still?
--
The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.

.
User: "Eva"

Title: Re: Why Are Atheists So Angry? 18 Jan 2007 10:17:26 PM
"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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Against all the evidence of history, you insist on telling your lie.


http://nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

http://nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm

Just a couple of sites, but there are hundreds of web sites carrying
documents and pictures which attest to Hitler's beliefs.
Now tell us, Frank, if all that killing was agains't God's will: Who
made the sun stand still?

<snipped for brevity>
Thank you for saving me the effort :0}
--
Eva
AF #2270
_______________________________
Ignorance more frequently begets
confidence than does knowledge:
it is those who know little,
not those who know much,
who so positively assert that this or that problem
will never be solved by science.
-Charles Darwin
.
User: "Dubh Ghall"

Title: Re: Why Are Atheists So Angry? 19 Jan 2007 04:43:31 AM
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:17:26 -0500, "Eva" <EJUNG@hvc.rr.com> wrote:


"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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Against all the evidence of history, you insist on telling your lie.


http://nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

http://nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm

Just a couple of sites, but there are hundreds of web sites carrying
documents and pictures which attest to Hitler's beliefs.
Now tell us, Frank, if all that killing was agains't God's will: Who
made the sun stand still?

<snipped for brevity>

Thank you for saving me the effort :0}

.

User: "Dubh Ghall"

Title: Re: Why Are Atheists So Angry? 19 Jan 2007 04:44:44 AM
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:17:26 -0500, "Eva" <EJUNG@hvc.rr.com> wrote:


"Dubh Ghall" <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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Against all the evidence of history, you insist on telling your lie.


http://nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

http://nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm

Just a couple of sites, but there are hundreds of web sites carrying
documents and pictures which attest to Hitler's beliefs.
Now tell us, Frank, if all that killing was agains't God's will: Who
made the sun stand still?

<snipped for brevity>

Thank you for saving me the effort :0}

Some how, I don't think that Frank, will answer though.
.




User: "Dubh Ghall"

Title: Re: Why Are Atheists So Angry? 17 Jan 2007 11:28:55 AM
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:56:28 -0500, "Eva" <evajung666@hotmail.com>
wrote:

It was Himmler obsessed with pagan rites. He was seeking to find proof of
Aryan superiority in ancient Germanic culture. Hitler was most certainly a
Catholic, That's WHY he felt they should be exterminated, for having Jesus
killed. Try reading Mein Kampf instead of a third-hand source before you
start throwing *****.

The reason is simple. The ***** source, says what Frank wants to
hear, ergo, it is absolute fact, in Frank's mind.
--
The spelling Like any opinion stated here
purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.

.


User: "Yang, AthD h.c"

Title: Nice Try, Hitler Was a Christian 17 Jan 2007 12:36:07 AM
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:10:21 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

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No harm? Look at all the killing in the name of religion. Look at the
hate, discrimination and wars that christianity has caused.

Those were atheist communists, NOT Christians. See below


Wrong again.
Hitler was a devout roman catholic who murdered hundreds of thousands of
communists, jahovahs and jews.

Only in your atheist imagination. Hitler had no use for Jews, Christ
included. See below

Pastor Frank

HITLER
Hitler certainly wasn't a practicing Catholic, nor yet an atheist, for
he thought of himself as the Messiah come to deliver the Aryan race from
Jewish domination. Hitler wasn't about to make an exception for Jesus in his
dislike, if not hatred of Jews and all thing Jewish. That's why he sought to
revive the ancient Germanic religions with Odin, Loki, Frey, Thor etc.,
replacing Christianity.
Hitler was one of the first "neo-pagans" if you will.
--Dusty Dahmer

"Hitler's progrom, for all its distinctiveness, is the ZENITH of a
long Christian heritage of teaching and practice against Jews."
- Clark M. Williamson
professor of Theology,
Christian Theological Seminary, Indiana

"What is this God who takes pleasure in only seeing men grovel before
Him? Try to picture to yourselves the meaning of the following, quite
simple story. God creates the conditions for sin. Later on He succeeds,
with the help of the Devil, in causing man to sin. Then he employs a virgin
to bring into the world a son who, by His death, will redeem humanity!
[Adolf Hitler December 13th 1941 From Martin Bormann's book 'Hitlers
Table-talk']

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bormann
A collection of transcripts edited by Bormann during the war appeared
in print in 1951 as Hitler's Table Talk 1941–1944, mostly a re-telling
of Hitler's wartime dinner conversations. The accuracy of the Table
Talk is highly disputed, as it directly contradicts many of Hitler's
publicly held positions, particularly in regards to religious
adherence. The Table Talk is the only original source to claim that
Hitler was an atheist.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3023 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
newsgroups Yang promises not to revenge post
in response to Sound-of-Trumpet's *****:
rec.art.scifi.written
sci.archaeology
soc.history.what-if
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User: "Dan Wood"

Title: Re: Nice Try, Hitler Was a Christian 19 Jan 2007 11:00:32 PM
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No harm? Look at all the killing in the name of religion. Look at the
hate, discrimination and wars that christianity has caused.

Those were atheist communists, NOT Christians. See below


Wrong again.
Hitler was a devout roman catholic who murdered hundreds of thousands

of

communists, jahovahs and jews.

Only in your atheist imagination. Hitler had no use for Jews, Christ
included. See below

Pastor Frank

HITLER
Hitler certainly wasn't a practicing Catholic, nor yet an atheist,

for

he thought of himself as the Messiah come to deliver the Aryan race from
Jewish domination. Hitler wasn't about to make an exception for Jesus in

his

dislike, if not hatred of Jews and all thing Jewish. That's why he sought

to

revive the ancient Germanic religions with Odin, Loki, Frey, Thor etc.,
replacing Christianity.
Hitler was one of the first "neo-pagans" if you will.
--Dusty Dahmer



"Hitler's progrom, for all its distinctiveness, is the ZENITH of a
long Christian heritage of teaching and practice against Jews."
- Clark M. Williamson
professor of Theology,
Christian Theological Seminary, Indiana


"What is this God who takes pleasure in only seeing men grovel before
Him? Try to picture to yourselves the meaning of the following, quite
simple story. God creates the conditions for sin. Later on He succeeds,
with the help of the Devil, in causing man to sin. Then he employs a

virgin

to bring into the world a son who, by His death, will redeem humanity!
[Adolf Hitler December 13th 1941 From Martin Bormann's book 'Hitlers
Table-talk']


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bormann


A collection of transcripts edited by Bormann during the war appeared
in print in 1951 as Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, mostly a re-telling
of Hitler's wartime dinner conversations. The accuracy of the Table
Talk is highly disputed, as it directly contradicts many of Hitler's
publicly held positions, particularly in regards to religious
adherence. The Table Talk is the only original source to claim that
Hitler was an atheist.



-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division

The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and

counting

The Bush Iraq lie: -3023 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting

Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless


newsgroups Yang promises not to revenge post
in response to Sound-of-Trumpet's *****:

rec.art.scifi.written
sci.archaeology
soc.history.what-if

.

User: "Tuco Ramirez"

Title: Re: Nice Try, Hitler Was a Christian 31 Jan 2007 03:43:21 AM
On Jan 17, 1:36 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:10:21 +0800, "Pastor Frank"





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No harm? Look at all the killing in the name of religion. Look at the
hate, discrimination and wars that christianity has caused.


Those were atheist communists, NOT Christians. See below


Wrong again.
Hitler was a devout roman catholic who murdered hundreds of thousands of
communists, jahovahs and jews.


Only in your atheist imagination. Hitler had no use for Jews, Christ
included. See below


Pastor Frank


HITLER
Hitler certainly wasn't a practicing Catholic, nor yet an atheist, for
he thought of himself as the Messiah come to deliver the Aryan race from
Jewish domination. Hitler wasn't about to make an exception for Jesus in his
dislike, if not hatred of Jews and all thing Jewish. That's why he sought to
revive the ancient Germanic religions with Odin, Loki, Frey, Thor etc.,
replacing Christianity.
Hitler was one of the first "neo-pagans" if you will.
--Dusty Dahmer


"Hitler's progrom, for all its distinctiveness, is the ZENITH of a
long Christian heritage of teaching and practice against Jews."
- Clark M. Williamson
professor of Theology,
Christian Theological Seminary, Indiana

"What is this God who takes pleasure in only seeing men grovel before
Him? Try to picture to yourselves the meaning of the following, quite
simple story. God creates the conditions for sin. Later on He succeeds,
with the help of the Devil, in causing man to sin. Then he employs a virgin
to bring into the world a son who, by His death, will redeem humanity!
[Adolf Hitler December 13th 1941 From Martin Bormann's book 'Hitlers
Table-talk']


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bormann

A collection of transcripts edited by Bormann during the war appeared
in print in 1951 as Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, mostly a re-telling
of Hitler's wartime dinner conversations. The accuracy of the Table
Talk is highly disputed, as it directly contradicts many of Hitler's
publicly held positions, particularly in regards to religious
adherence. The Table Talk is the only original source to claim that
Hitler was an atheist.

And of course we know that politicians' publicly held beliefs are the
true representantion of what they really believe, eh?
You sure are stupid.
Why don't you study the facts, and let them lead you to the
conclussion, eh dummy?
.

User: "duke"

Title: Re: Nice Try, Hitler Was a Christian 17 Jan 2007 05:24:45 PM
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:36:07 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:

"Hitler's progrom, for all its distinctiveness, is the ZENITH of a
long Christian heritage of teaching and practice against Jews."
- Clark M. Williamson
professor of Theology,
Christian Theological Seminary, Indiana

That's a speed bump. Christians never practiced against Jews.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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User: "Pastor Frank"

Title: Re: Nice Try, Hitler Was a Christian 17 Jan 2007 09:14:00 PM
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On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:36:07 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:


"Hitler's progrom, for all its distinctiveness, is the ZENITH of a
long Christian heritage of teaching and practice against Jews."
- Clark M. Williamson
professor of Theology,
Christian Theological Seminary, Indiana


That's a speed bump. Christians never practiced against Jews.

Right!! Hitler as well as Americans paying bounty for scalps from dead
native men women and children, had good teachers on how to get rid of the
unwanted in "their" countries. See below
Pastor Frank
The below atrocities were committed shortly after the God of the Jews,
YHVH, gave Moses the 10 commandments, forbidding Jews to covet their
neighbour's property and kill them to get a hold of it.
We know through Christ, that our glorious Father which is in heaven
never commands anyone to kill, but rather to love and convert the
unconverted. Yet Jews and some Christians want us to believe, that YHVH,
though "the same yesterday, today and tomorrow" gave dispensation to
Jews to commit the sins of both coveting and fratricide. Jews were to kill
their Semitic brothers, sisters and their children and life-stock, in fact
they were to "kill all that breatheth" in the entire country, in order for
them to "occupy the land" and "reap where you have not sown". The
result was the horrific obscenity below, a genocidal holocaust of gigantic
proportions.
--------
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as YHVH, the
God of Israel, commanded."
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Psalms 137:9 - Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little
ones against the stones.
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.

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User: "Cary Kittrell"

Title: Re: Nice Try, Hitler Was a Christian 17 Jan 2007 05:40:44 PM
In article <uvbtq2hio1n1sj1o5df49emug8uj5tqvdo@4ax.com> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:


On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:36:07 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:

"Hitler's progrom, for all its distinctiveness, is the ZENITH of a
long Christian heritage of teaching and practice against Jews."
- Clark M. Williamson
professor of Theology,
Christian Theological Seminary, Indiana


That's a speed bump. Christians never practiced against Jews.

You might want to look up the term "Pogroms". Medieval Europe
provides a fine timeslice of history for you to bone up on.
-- cary
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User: "Pastor Frank"

Title: Re: Nice Try, Hitler Was a Christian 17 Jan 2007 11:14:08 PM
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <uvbtq2hio1n1sj1o5df49emug8uj5tqvdo@4ax.com> duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:36:07 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:

"Hitler's progrom, for all its distinctiveness, is the ZENITH of a
long Christian heritage of teaching and practice against Jews."
- Clark M. Williamson
professor of Theology,
Christian Theological Seminary, Indiana


That's a speed bump. Christians never practiced against Jews.


You might want to look up the term "Pogroms". Medieval Europe
provides a fine timeslice of history for you to bone up on.

If those were "Christians", then the Communist killing machine was all
atheist. See below
Pastor Frank

LEST WE FORGET: Atheists mass murdered over 100 million people
in the last 83 years of the 20th century alone? You can find a
most illuminating and interesting summary of historical mass murder
at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/.
The combined killings done by Jews, Christians, and Moslems
throughout history don't compare with the slaughter perpetrated
by atheists in a single century.

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User: "Bill M"

Title: Re: Nice Try, Hitler Was a Christian 18 Jan 2007 06:19:37 PM
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <uvbtq2hio1n1sj1o5df49emug8uj5tqvdo@4ax.com> duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:36:07 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:

"Hitler's progrom, for all its distinctiveness, is the ZENITH of a
long Christian heritage of teaching and practice against Jews."
- Clark M. Williamson
professor of Theology,
Christian Theological Seminary, Indiana


That's a speed bump. Christians never practiced against Jews.


You might want to look up the term "Pogroms". Medieval Europe
provides a fine timeslice of history for you to bone up on.

If those were "Christians", then the Communist killing machine was all
atheist. See below

Pastor Frank

Your either showing your stupidy or your dishonesty.
Stalin's killing was not because of atheism but because of Stalin's desire
to conquer
and control. Norway and Swedian are highly atheistic countries but they do
not engage
in killing their citizens.

LEST WE FORGET: Atheists mass murdered over 100 million people
in the last 83 years of the 20th century alone? You can find a
most illuminating and interesting summary of historical mass murder
at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/.
The combined killings done by Jews, Christians, and Moslems
throughout history don't compare with the slaughter perpetrated
by atheists in a single century.






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User: "Cary Kittrell"

Title: Re: Nice Try, Hitler Was a Christian 18 Jan 2007 10:41:05 AM
In article <45af6802$0$4845$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> writes:

"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <uvbtq2hio1n1sj1o5df49emug8uj5tqvdo@4ax.com> duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:36:07 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:

"Hitler's progrom, for all its distinctiveness, is the ZENITH of a
long Christian heritage of teaching and practice against Jews."
- Clark M. Williamson
professor of Theology,
Christian Theological Seminary, Indiana


That's a speed bump. Christians never practiced against Jews.


You might want to look up the term "Pogroms". Medieval Europe
provides a fine timeslice of history for you to bone up on.

If those were "Christians", then the Communist killing machine was all
atheist. See below

Pastor Frank

Yes? And if so, then this proves that "Christians never practiced
against Jews" how, exactly?
-- cary
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User: "Pastor Frank"

Title: Re: Nice Try, Hitler Was a Christian 19 Jan 2007 05:29:16 AM
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <45af6802$0$4845$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> writes:

"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <uvbtq2hio1n1sj1o5df49emug8uj5tqvdo@4ax.com> duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:36:07 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:

"Hitler's progrom, for all its distinctiveness, is the ZENITH of a
long Christian heritage of teaching and practice against Jews."
- Clark M. Williamson
professor of Theology,
Christian Theological Seminary, Indiana


That's a speed bump. Christians never practiced against Jews.


You might want to look up the term "Pogroms". Medieval Europe
provides a fine timeslice of history for you to bone up on.

If those were "Christians", then the Communist killing machine was
all
atheist. See below


Yes? And if so, then this proves that "Christians never practiced
against Jews" how, exactly?

Because our God incarnate, Jesus Christ forbids such actions. Atheists
as severely perceptually and philosophically challenged and quite unable to
distinguish between Satan's minions, who profess Christ yet not only do, but
justify going the opposite from what Christ preached, and genuine Christians
who aim to follow Christ's commandments to the death if need be, i.e.
martyrdom. See below
Pastor Frank
The most important, yet most ignored commandments of Christ, which would
make war, if not ALL of man's inhumanity to man extinct, nay totally
unthinkable:
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST, or Ethic of Reciprocity
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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User: ""

Title: Re: Nice Try, Hitler Was a Christian 16 Feb 2007 09:11:33 AM
"Hitler was a Christian"
last updated 7 August 2006
Jewish references erased in newly found Nazi Bible
_Daily Mail_
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=399470&in_page_id=1770
a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler and an an Ethical Culture i.e. atheist individual on 'God'
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136317045.783426.125490%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1939 Goebbels: "The Fuhrer is... completely anti-Christian."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1145975885.494352.40950%40g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
2001 Abraham Foxman: Hitler was a big liar
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128010617.235272.105530%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118403178.860854.170600%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Stalin encounters the T0E in seminary: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118511187.489582.241590%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's secular religion
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120837574.592972.268980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
May 2003 Timothy Ryback on "Hitler's Forgotten Library"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/895696/posts
1941 Hitler & 2003 Dawkins observation re: conflicting religions
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118932846.333778.56450%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian
doctrine
of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Hitler opposed Christianity
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1117657689.616680.167840%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Goebbels: "Goering... addressed a sharp letter to Bishops Galen...
and
Berning"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1126795650.014139.97640%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
the Nazi Robert Ley was an atheism-adherent who worshiped Hitler and
Nature
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143171898.121370.76730%40e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com
Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118403178.860854.170600%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Stalin encounters the T0E in seminary: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118511187.489582.241590%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Edward Simon, probably originally in his Another Side to the Evolution
Problem, Jewish Press, Jan. 7, 1983, 248,
cited in
http://www.thedarwinpapers.com/oldsite/number12/Darwinpapers12HTML.htm#N_1_
I don't claim that Darwin and his theory of evolution
brought on the holocaust; but I cannot deny that the
theory of evolution, and the atheism it engendered, led to
the moral climate that made a holocaust possible....
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/10ac5d963dfa0eba?hl=en&
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Nice Try, Hitler Was a Christian 16 Feb 2007 10:24:04 AM
<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:1171638693.288933.295600@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

"Hitler was a Christian"

Hitler commited suicide. This is _murder_, self-murder. The only
unforgivable sin, as I understand it.
Dan Wood, DDS


last updated 7 August 2006
Jewish references erased in newly found Nazi Bible
_Daily Mail_

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=399470&in_page_id=1770


a claim: Hitler was a Christian

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com


Hitler and an an Ethical Culture i.e. atheist individual on 'God'

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136317045.783426.125490%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com


1939 Goebbels: "The Fuhrer is... completely anti-Christian."

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1145975885.494352.40950%40g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com


2001 Abraham Foxman: Hitler was a big liar

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128010617.235272.105530%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com


Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118403178.860854.170600%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Stalin encounters the T0E in seminary: A Victory for Atheism

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118511187.489582.241590%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com


Hitler's secular religion

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120837574.592972.268980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

May 2003 Timothy Ryback on "Hitler's Forgotten Library"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/895696/posts
1941 Hitler & 2003 Dawkins observation re: conflicting religions

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118932846.333778.56450%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com


1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian
doctrine
of redemption"

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com


Hitler opposed Christianity

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1117657689.616680.167840%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com


Goebbels: "Goering... addressed a sharp letter to Bishops Galen...
and
Berning"

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1126795650.014139.97640%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com


the Nazi Robert Ley was an atheism-adherent who worshiped Hitler and
Nature

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143171898.121370.76730%40e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com


Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118403178.860854.170600%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Stalin encounters the T0E in seminary: A Victory for Atheism

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118511187.489582.241590%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com


Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com


Edward Simon, probably originally in his Another Side to the Evolution
Problem, Jewish Press, Jan. 7, 1983, 248,
cited in

http://www.thedarwinpapers.com/oldsite/number12/Darwinpapers12HTML.htm#N_1_

I don't claim that Darwin and his theory of evolution
brought on the holocaust; but I cannot deny that the
theory of evolution, and the atheism it engendered, led to
the moral climate that made a holocaust possible....

Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/10ac5d963dfa0eba?hl=en&

.

User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: Nice Try, Hitler Was a Christian 16 Feb 2007 12:34:10 PM
In article <1171638693.288933.295600@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
dford3@gl.umbc.edu says...

"Hitler was a Christian"

last updated 7 August 2006
Jewish references erased in newly found Nazi Bible
_Daily Mail_
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=399470&in_page_id=1770

The author of this article tries to claim that Hitler is more pagan than
Christian because his version of the Holy Babble and ChristInsanity often
omit compassion. Well, the Jewish Bible also goes rather light on
compassion when it advocates genocide of many other people. The author
suggests that Hitler ignores Jewish injunctions against stealing, killing
and coveting, but so did most Jews, particularly when they were waging
holy war against their canaanite neighbors. In fact, people like David
frequently ignored these allegedly holy duties whenever he pleased. King
David and Hitler had a great deal in common, in terms of their
megalomaniacal psychopathologies. Hitler certainly wasn't a hippie
christian, but his compassionless attitudes would have squared very well
with crusader xians, the many murderous popes, grand inquisitors and even
reformers like Martin Luther or the dour Puritans. But, just as they
remained xians, so to, Hitler remained a xian, albeit of reformist
stripe, who wished to return the religion to its bloodly, ignoble roots.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Nice Try, Hitler Was a Christian 16 Feb 2007 11:55:10 AM
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:11:33 -0800, dford3 wrote:

"Hitler was a Christian"

Yep, he sure was.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Nice Try, Hitler Was a Christian 22 Feb 2007 08:42:44 AM
On Feb 16, 12:55 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:11:33 -0800, dford3 wrote:

"Hitler was a Christian"


Yep, he sure was.

Spontaneous generation occurred.

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini

August 2005 Arnold Beichman on "Fascism fantasies"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1125332402.432769.142080%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
was Mussolini a 'free thinker'/ atheist?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127103180.388577.125090%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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User: "Cary Kittrell"

Title: Re: Nice Try, Hitler Was a Christian 22 Jan 2007 11:18:14 AM
In article <45b1c43f$0$24379$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> writes:

"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <45af6802$0$4845$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> writes:

"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <uvbtq2hio1n1sj1o5df49emug8uj5tqvdo@4ax.com> duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:36:07 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:

"Hitler's progrom, for all its distinctiveness, is the ZENITH of a
long Christian heritage of teaching and practice against Jews."
- Clark M. Williamson
professor of Theology,
Christian Theological Seminary, Indiana


That's a speed bump. Christians never practiced against Jews.


You might want to look up the term "Pogroms". Medieval Europe
provides a fine timeslice of history for you to bone up on.

If those were "Christians", then the Communist killing machine was
all
atheist. See below


Yes? And if so, then this proves that "Christians never practiced
against Jews" how, exactly?

Because our God incarnate, Jesus Christ forbids such actions.

<WHEW!> What a relief! For a second there, I thought all that
stuff about pogroms, the destruction of Constantinople, the
Inquisition, the slaughter of the Cathars, Quakers being
hanged in Masschusetts, and other similar atheistic fancies had
actually taken place.
Atheists

as severely perceptually and philosophically challenged and quite unable to
distinguish between Satan's minions, who profess Christ yet not only do, but
justify going the opposite from what Christ preached,

So, Martin Luther was an atheist?
"If I had to baptise a Jew, I would take him to the bridge of
the Elbe, hang a stone around his neck and push him over with
the words 'I baptise thee in the name of Abraham'."


but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard,
God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to
make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but
little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!
In brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your
rule-- if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that
you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the
Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy,
the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely
and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear
mother, all Christians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them
protection, safe-conduct, or communion with us. . . . With this
faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my
conscience.
Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a
most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls
from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. My
advice, as I said earlier, is:
First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are
able toss sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also
throw in some hellfire...
Second, that all their books-- their prayer books, their Talmudic
writings, also the entire Bible-- be taken from them, not leaving
them one leaf, and that these be preserved for those who may be
converted...
Third, that they be forbidden on pain of death to praise God, to give
thanks, to pray, and to teach publicly among us and in our
country...
Fourth, that they be forbidden to utter the name of God within our
hearing. For we cannot with a good conscience listen to this or
tolerate it...
If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy and not share in
their guilt, we have to part company with them. They must be driven
from our country.
They [rulers] must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set
in proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and
marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn
down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them
to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did...
If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs.

-- Martin Luther



-- cary
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User: "Pastor Frank"

Title: Re: Nice Try, Hitler Was a Christian 23 Jan 2007 06:35:43 PM
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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<PF@christfirst.edu> writes:

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<PF@christfirst.edu> writes:

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In article <uvbtq2hio1n1sj1o5df49emug8uj5tqvdo@4ax.com> duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:36:07 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:

"Hitler's progrom, for all its distinctiveness, is the ZENITH of a
long Christian heritage of teaching and practice against Jews."
- Clark M. Williamson
professor of Theology,
Christian Theological Seminary, Indiana


That's a speed bump. Christians never practiced against Jews.


You might want to look up the term "Pogroms". Medieval Europe
provides a fine timeslice of history for you to bone up on.

If those were "Christians", then the Communist killing machine was
all atheist. See below


Yes? And if so, then this proves that "Christians never practiced
against Jews" how, exactly?


Because our God incarnate, Jesus Christ forbids such actions.


<WHEW!> What a relief! For a second there, I thought all that
stuff about pogroms, the destruction of Constantinople, the
Inquisition, the slaughter of the Cathars, Quakers being
hanged in Masschusetts, and other similar atheistic fancies had
actually taken place.

Atheists are severely perceptually and philosophically challenged
and quite unable to distinguish between Satan's minions, who
profess Christ yet not only do, but justify going the opposite from
what Christ preached,


So, Martin Luther was an atheist?
"If I had to baptise a Jew, I would take him to the bridge of
the Elbe, hang a stone around his neck and push him over with
the words 'I baptise thee in the name of Abraham'."
but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard,
God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to
make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but
little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!
In brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your
rule-- if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that
you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the
Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy,
the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely
and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear
mother, all Christians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them
protection, safe-conduct, or communion with us. . . . With this
faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my
conscience.
Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a
most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls
from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. My
advice, as I said earlier, is:
First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are
able toss sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also
throw in some hellfire...
Second, that all their books-- their prayer books, their Talmudic
writings, also the entire Bible-- be taken from them, not leaving
them one leaf, and that these be preserved for those who may be
converted...
Third, that they be forbidden on pain of death to praise God, to give
thanks, to pray, and to teach publicly among us and in our
country...
Fourth, that they be forbidden to utter the name of God within our
hearing. For we cannot with a good conscience listen to this or
tolerate it...
If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy and not share in
their guilt, we have to part company with them. They must be driven
from our country.
They [rulers] must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set
in proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and
marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn
down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them
to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did...
If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs.
-- Martin Luther
-- cary

I know what Jesus Christ commanded and also that we are weak and have
problems controlling our outrage, especially when reading the Biblical truth
about how Israel was established. You have to be an atheist not have
objections to those celebrating the most horrific massacre on record being
committed at the behest of gods no less, ...a massacre still going on today
btw. There isn't a Palestinian alive who didn't have part of his family
dispossessed, brutalized, interned never to be seen again, and/or killed by
Jews, ...all curtesy USA financing and support. See below the horror Jews
and apparently you are so proud of. Get a load of Moses being merciful to
little girls and why at the bottom of the page.
With that many innocent souls in heaven clamouring for justice, can
terrorists smuggling small back-pack battle nukes into our cities, killing
millions, be far behind?
Pastor Frank
The below atrocities were committed shortly after the God of the Jews,
YHVH, gave Moses the 10 commandments, forbidding Jews to covet their
neighbour's property and kill them to get a hold of it.
We know through Christ, that our glorious Father which is in heaven
never commands anyone to kill, but rather to love and convert the
unconverted. Yet Jews and some Christians want us to believe, that YHVH,
though "the same yesterday, today and tomorrow" gave dispensation to
Jews to commit the sins of both coveting and fratricide. Jews were to kill
their Semitic brothers, sisters and their children and life-stock, in fact
they were to "kill all that breatheth" in the entire country, in order for
them to "occupy the land" and "reap where you have not sown". The
result was the horrific obscenity below, a genocidal holocaust of gigantic
proportions.
--------
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as YHVH, the
God of Israel, commanded."
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Psalms 137:9 - Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little
ones against the stones.
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
--
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User: "Cary Kittrell"

Title: Re: Nice Try, Hitler Was a Christian 25 Jan 2007 12:08:57 PM
In article <45b8e2b3$0$24353$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> writes:

"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <45b1c43f$0$24379$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> writes:

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In article <45af6802$0$4845$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> writes:

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In article <uvbtq2hio1n1sj1o5df49emug8uj5tqvdo@4ax.com> duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:36:07 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:

"Hitler's progrom, for all its distinctiveness, is the ZENITH of a
long Christian heritage of teaching and practice against Jews."
- Clark M. Williamson
professor of Theology,
Christian Theological Seminary, Indiana


That's a speed bump. Christians never practiced against Jews.


You might want to look up the term "Pogroms". Medieval Europe
provides a fine timeslice of history for you to bone up on.

If those were "Christians", then the Communist killing machine was
all atheist. See below


Yes? And if so, then this proves that "Christians never practiced
against Jews" how, exactly?


Because our God incarnate, Jesus Christ forbids such actions.


<WHEW!> What a relief! For a second there, I thought all that
stuff about pogroms, the destruction of Constantinople, the
Inquisition, the slaughter of the Cathars, Quakers being
hanged in Masschusetts, and other similar atheistic fancies had
actually taken place.

Atheists are severely perceptually and philosophically challenged
and quite unable to distinguish between Satan's minions, who
profess Christ yet not only do, but justify going the opposite from
what Christ preached,


So, Martin Luther was an atheist?
"If I had to baptise a Jew, I would take him to the bridge of
the Elbe, hang a stone around his neck and push him over with
the words 'I baptise thee in the name of Abraham'."
but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard,
God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to
make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but
little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!
In brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your
rule-- if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that
you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the
Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy,
the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely
and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear
mother, all Christians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them
protection, safe-conduct, or communion with us. . . . With this
faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my
conscience.
Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a
most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls
from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. My
advice, as I said earlier, is:
First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are
able toss sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also
throw in some hellfire...
Second, that all their books-- their prayer books, their Talmudic
writings, also the entire Bible-- be taken from them, not leaving
them one leaf, and that these be preserved for those who may be
converted...
Third, that they be forbidden on pain of death to praise God, to give
thanks, to pray, and to teach publicly among us and in our
country...
Fourth, that they be forbidden to utter the name of God within our
hearing. For we cannot with a good conscience listen to this or
tolerate it...
If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy and not share in
their guilt, we have to part company with them. They must be driven
from our country.
They [rulers] must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set
in proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and
marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn
down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them
to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did...
If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs.
-- Martin Luther
-- cary

I know what Jesus Christ commanded and also that we are weak and have
problems controlling our outrage, especially when reading the Biblical truth
about how Israel was established. You have to be an atheist not have
objections to those celebrating the most horrific massacre on record being
committed at the behest of gods no less, ...a massacre still going on today
btw. There isn't a Palestinian alive who didn't have part of his family
dispossessed, brutalized, interned never to be seen again, and/or killed by
Jews, ...all curtesy USA financing and support. See below the horror Jews
and apparently you are so proud of.

Because I point out that there is a history of persecution of the
Jews by Christians, it thereby follows that I am "so proud of"
persecution of Palestinians by Israelis?
Your reasoning appears to be too subtle for me. Please, elaborate
a bit further as to why you feel I applaud current Israeli domestic
policy. Kindly use this space:
Thank you.
Oh, and by the way, if you Google on me a bit, you shouldn't have
too much trouble finding posts where I hold up the sorts of
things you quote below as evidence of the horrific nature
of the God of the Old Testament
(Who, of course, was also the God Jesus spoke of).
-- cary
Get a load of Moses being merciful to

little girls and why at the bottom of the page.
With that many innocent souls in heaven clamouring for justice, can
terrorists smuggling small back-pack battle nukes into our cities, killing
millions, be far behind?

Pastor Frank

The below atrocities were committed shortly after the God of the Jews,
YHVH, gave Moses the 10 commandments, forbidding Jews to covet their
neighbour's property and kill them to get a hold of it.
We know through Christ, that our glorious Father which is in heaven
never commands anyone to kill, but rather to love and convert the
unconverted. Yet Jews and some Christians want us to believe, that YHVH,
though "the same yesterday, today and tomorrow" gave dispensation to
Jews to commit the sins of both coveting and fratricide. Jews were to kill
their Semitic brothers, sisters and their children and life-stock, in fact
they were to "kill all that breatheth" in the entire country, in order for
them to "occupy the land" and "reap where you have not sown". The
result was the horrific obscenity below, a genocidal holocaust of gigantic
proportions.
--------
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Ezekiel 32:5 "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the
valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with
your flowing blood..."
Ezekiel 9:5 "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall
not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and
maidens, little children and women...'"
Deut. 7:1 (KJV)When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're
about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut
them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with
them nor show them any mercy.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as YHVH, the
God of Israel, commanded."
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Psalms 137:9 - Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little
ones against the stones.
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.



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User: "Pastor Frank"

Title: Re: Nice Try, Hitler Was a Christian, baptized as a baby. 26 Jan 2007 07:15:23 PM
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<PF@christfirst.edu> writes:

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In article <uvbtq2hio1n1sj1o5df49emug8uj5tqvdo@4ax.com> duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:36:07 -0800, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:

"Hitler's progrom, for all its distinctiveness, is the ZENITH
of a
long Christian heritage of teaching and practice against Jews."
- Clark M. Williamson
professor of Theology,
Christian Theological Seminary, Indiana


That's a speed bump. Christians never practiced against Jews.


You might want to look up the term "Pogroms". Medieval Europe
provides a fine timeslice of history for you to bone up on.

If those were "Christians", then the Communist killing machine
was
all atheist. See below


Yes? And if so, then this proves that "Christians never practiced
against Jews" how, exactly?


Because our God incarnate, Jesus Christ forbids such actions.


<WHEW!> What a relief! For a second there, I thought all that
stuff about pogroms, the destruction of Constantinople, the
Inquisition, the slaughter of the Cathars, Quakers being
hanged in Masschusetts, and other similar atheistic fancies had
actually taken place.

Atheists are severely perceptually and philosophically challenged
and quite unable to distinguish between Satan's minions, who
profess Christ yet not only do, but justify going the opposite from
what Christ preached,


So, Martin Luther was an atheist?
"If I had to baptise a Jew, I would take him to the bridge of
the Elbe, hang a stone around his neck and push him over with
the words 'I baptise thee in the name of Abraham'."
but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have
heard,
God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend
to
make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but
little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!
In brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under
your
rule-- if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so
that
you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the
Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies,
blasphemy,
the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so
freely
and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear
mother, all Christians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant
them
protection, safe-conduct, or communion with us. . . . With this
faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my
conscience.
Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter
but a
most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls
from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. My
advice, as I said earlier, is:
First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who
are
able toss sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could
also
throw in some hellfire...
Second, that all their books-- their prayer books, their Talmudic
writings, also the entire Bible-- be taken from them, not
leaving
them one leaf, and that these be preserved for those who may be
converted...
Third, that they be forbidden on pain of death to praise God, to
give
thanks, to pray, and to teach publicly among us and in our
country...
Fourth, that they be forbidden to utter the name of God within our
hearing. For we cannot with a good conscience listen to this or
tolerate it...
If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy and not share in
their guilt, we have to part company with them. They must be driven
from our country.
They [rulers] must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has
set
in proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone,
and
marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance.
Burn
down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force
them
to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did...
If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs.
-- Martin Luther
-- cary

I know what Jesus Christ commanded and also that we are weak and have
problems controlling our outrage, especially when reading the Biblical
truth
about how Israel was established. You have to be an atheist not have
objections to those celebrating the most horrific massacre on record
being
committed at the behest of gods no less, ...a massacre still going on
today
btw. There isn't a Palestinian alive who didn't have part of his family
dispossessed, brutalized, interned never to be seen again, and/or killed
by
Jews, ...all curtesy USA financing and support. See below the horror Jews
and apparently you are so proud of.


Because I point out that there is a history of persecution of the
Jews by Christians, it thereby follows that I am "so proud of"
persecution of Palestinians by Israelis?
Your reasoning appears to be too subtle for me. Please, elaborate
a bit further as to why you feel I applaud current Israeli domestic
policy. Kindly use this space:

There is plenty of evidence, that Jews persecuted early Christians and
have caused many a Christian to be martyred. They had no reason to do so,
for Christians meant them no harm. However what I cited is reason enough to
persecute all those who justify genocide and mass-murder at the behest of
their god(s). There are few Jews who don't justify their killing "all that
breatheth" in the entire country to "possess the land" and "reap where ye
have not sown" at the behest of their God.
Or perhaps you prefer that Hitler's goons who killed Jews, and justify
such actions, should not be prosecuted, nor persecuted?
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