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| User: "Dana" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
24 Dec 2006 11:05:47 AM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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You are a typical dishonest or brain damaged religionist.
Interesting reply you give. It would be better received if you did not
resort to insults.
Atheism is believing in facts supported by objective verifiable evidence.
What about all the so called astheists who claim that there is no God. They
have no evidence of this kind of statement. They take a position that is
even worse than the believers, who claim to have a belief in God, while
these so called atheists claim that there is no God. So one can say that for
these atheists, their atheism is an actual belief system.
Religion is believing in things hoped for but not necessarily true.
True, so are you agreeing that atheism is now a religion, especially with
the lagre numbers of supposed atheists claiming there is no God.
"Anonyma" <anon-bounces@deuxpi.ca> wrote in message
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http://www.aclj.org
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/
http://www.boycottliberalism.com/
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Atheists
You are an Atheist sock puppet. The ACLU only defends your religion
in government :
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| User: "Jeff Strickland" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
24 Dec 2006 05:02:13 PM |
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"Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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You are a typical dishonest or brain damaged religionist.
Interesting reply you give. It would be better received if you did not
resort to insults.
Atheism is believing in facts supported by objective verifiable evidence.
What about all the so called astheists who claim that there is no God.
They
have no evidence of this kind of statement. They take a position that is
even worse than the believers, who claim to have a belief in God, while
these so called atheists claim that there is no God. So one can say that
for
these atheists, their atheism is an actual belief system.
Religion is believing in things hoped for but not necessarily true.
True, so are you agreeing that atheism is now a religion, especially with
the lagre numbers of supposed atheists claiming there is no God.
Here are some important points to keep in mind about God.
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost is time
on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God, and one behaves
as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
I'll suffer a bit on earth trying to live as though there is God, hoping to
avoid having Hell to pay later. If you want to live for today and ignore
God, then you can pay later but leave me out. Frankly, living with God in my
heart doesn't demand all that much, and living without God demands more than
I care to tally.
Tell you what, I'll not judge your feeble existance of you'll refrain from
judging mine.
PS
I suppose I posted to the wrong level in the thread. Please pardon my
confusion. I'm pretty sure Dana is on board with my sentiments
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
24 Dec 2006 06:00:55 PM |
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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You are a typical dishonest or brain damaged religionist.
Interesting reply you give. It would be better received if you did not
resort to insults.
Atheism is believing in facts supported by objective verifiable
evidence.
What about all the so called astheists who claim that there is no God.
They
have no evidence of this kind of statement. They take a position that is
even worse than the believers, who claim to have a belief in God, while
these so called atheists claim that there is no God. So one can say that
for
these atheists, their atheism is an actual belief system.
Religion is believing in things hoped for but not necessarily true.
True, so are you agreeing that atheism is now a religion, especially with
the lagre numbers of supposed atheists claiming there is no God.
Here are some important points to keep in mind about God.
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost is time
on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God, and one
behaves as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
I'll suffer a bit on earth trying to live as though there is God, hoping
to avoid having Hell to pay later. If you want to live for today and
ignore God, then you can pay later but leave me out. Frankly, living with
God in my heart doesn't demand all that much, and living without God
demands more than I care to tally.
I guess you also beleive in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny Rabbits feet etc.
so you can receive their presents!
Tell you what, I'll not judge your feeble existance of you'll refrain from
judging mine.
Dream on!
PS
I suppose I posted to the wrong level in the thread. Please pardon my
confusion. I'm pretty sure Dana is on board with my sentiments
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| User: "Dana" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
24 Dec 2006 06:16:32 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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You are a typical dishonest or brain damaged religionist.
Interesting reply you give. It would be better received if you did not
resort to insults.
Atheism is believing in facts supported by objective verifiable
evidence.
What about all the so called astheists who claim that there is no God.
They
have no evidence of this kind of statement. They take a position that
is
even worse than the believers, who claim to have a belief in God, while
these so called atheists claim that there is no God. So one can say
that
for
these atheists, their atheism is an actual belief system.
Religion is believing in things hoped for but not necessarily true.
True, so are you agreeing that atheism is now a religion, especially
with
the lagre numbers of supposed atheists claiming there is no God.
Here are some important points to keep in mind about God.
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost is
time
on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God, and one
behaves as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
I'll suffer a bit on earth trying to live as though there is God, hoping
to avoid having Hell to pay later. If you want to live for today and
ignore God, then you can pay later but leave me out. Frankly, living
with
God in my heart doesn't demand all that much, and living without God
demands more than I care to tally.
I guess you also beleive in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny Rabbits feet
etc.
so you can receive their presents!
It is really none of your concern.
Tell you what, I'll not judge your feeble existance of you'll refrain
from
judging mine.
Dream on!
You are right, the atheists here are very judgemental, and show no
indication of letting go of their intolerant bigotry.
PS
I suppose I posted to the wrong level in the thread. Please pardon my
confusion. I'm pretty sure Dana is on board with my sentiments
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| User: "Carl Kaufmann" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
24 Dec 2006 07:43:44 PM |
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
"Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12otcmppvdc13c4@corp.supernews.com...
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4Sxjh.8359$U12.7264@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
You are a typical dishonest or brain damaged religionist.
Interesting reply you give. It would be better received if you did not
resort to insults.
Atheism is believing in facts supported by objective verifiable
evidence.
What about all the so called astheists who claim that there is no God.
They
have no evidence of this kind of statement. They take a position that is
even worse than the believers, who claim to have a belief in God, while
these so called atheists claim that there is no God. So one can say
that for
these atheists, their atheism is an actual belief system.
Religion is believing in things hoped for but not necessarily true.
True, so are you agreeing that atheism is now a religion, especially with
the lagre numbers of supposed atheists claiming there is no God.
Here are some important points to keep in mind about God.
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost is
time on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God, and one
behaves as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
I'll suffer a bit on earth trying to live as though there is God, hoping
to avoid having Hell to pay later. If you want to live for today and
ignore God, then you can pay later but leave me out. Frankly, living
with God in my heart doesn't demand all that much, and living without
God demands more than I care to tally.
Tell you what, I'll not judge your feeble existance of you'll refrain
from judging mine.
PS
I suppose I posted to the wrong level in the thread. Please pardon my
confusion. I'm pretty sure Dana is on board with my sentiments
Pascal called. He wants his wager back.
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| User: "Josh Rosenbluth" |
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24 Dec 2006 07:27:10 PM |
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost is
time on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God, and one
behaves as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
Do you think we can pull a fast one on God, as if He isn't going to know
you "believe" in Him only to hedge your bet against spending eternity in
Hell.
Josh Rosenbluth
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| User: "Jeff Strickland" |
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25 Dec 2006 06:41:10 PM |
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"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost is
time on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God, and one
behaves as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
Do you think we can pull a fast one on God, as if He isn't going to know
you "believe" in Him only to hedge your bet against spending eternity in
Hell.
No, I do not believe one can pull a fast one on God. Sorry if I made it look
like you might get off easy.
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| User: "Josh Rosenbluth" |
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25 Dec 2006 06:49:43 PM |
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_ZidneYRj-JttRLYnZ2dnUVZ_t-mnZ2d@comcast.com...
Jeff Strickland wrote:
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost is
time on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God, and
one behaves as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
Do you think we can pull a fast one on God, as if He isn't going to
know you "believe" in Him only to hedge your bet against spending
eternity in Hell.
No, I do not believe one can pull a fast one on God. Sorry if I made it
look like you might get off easy.
So doesn't that destroy your above argument as a reason to believe in
Him. That is, you should only believe in Him because you truly do.
Josh Rosenbluth
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| User: "Jeff Strickland" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
25 Dec 2006 08:57:59 PM |
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"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_ZidneYRj-JttRLYnZ2dnUVZ_t-mnZ2d@comcast.com...
Jeff Strickland wrote:
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost is
time on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God, and
one behaves as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
Do you think we can pull a fast one on God, as if He isn't going to know
you "believe" in Him only to hedge your bet against spending eternity in
Hell.
No, I do not believe one can pull a fast one on God. Sorry if I made it
look like you might get off easy.
So doesn't that destroy your above argument as a reason to believe in Him.
That is, you should only believe in Him because you truly do.
I never made the argument that you suggest. You are having comprehension
issues again. I can see what I said, and what I said and what you think I
said are not the same.
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| User: "Josh Rosenbluth" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
25 Dec 2006 09:18:02 PM |
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hLWdnZeMueg07A3YnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com...
Jeff Strickland wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_ZidneYRj-JttRLYnZ2dnUVZ_t-mnZ2d@comcast.com...
Jeff Strickland wrote:
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost
is time on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God,
and one behaves as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
Do you think we can pull a fast one on God, as if He isn't going to
know you "believe" in Him only to hedge your bet against spending
eternity in Hell.
No, I do not believe one can pull a fast one on God. Sorry if I made
it look like you might get off easy.
So doesn't that destroy your above argument as a reason to believe in
Him. That is, you should only believe in Him because you truly do.
I never made the argument that you suggest. You are having
comprehension issues again. I can see what I said, and what I said and
what you think I said are not the same.
Take another look at your argument (it's at the top of this post). It
is an appeal to reason, not faith. You are trying to convince people to
believe in God based on a logical argument - not on the basis of what
they believe in their heart or soul. I don't think that is what you
desired, and if I'm correct, you should withdraw the argument.
Josh Rosenbluth
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| User: "Jeff Strickland" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
25 Dec 2006 10:32:05 PM |
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"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hLWdnZeMueg07A3YnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com...
Jeff Strickland wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_ZidneYRj-JttRLYnZ2dnUVZ_t-mnZ2d@comcast.com...
Jeff Strickland wrote:
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost is
time on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God, and
one behaves as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
Do you think we can pull a fast one on God, as if He isn't going to
know you "believe" in Him only to hedge your bet against spending
eternity in Hell.
No, I do not believe one can pull a fast one on God. Sorry if I made it
look like you might get off easy.
So doesn't that destroy your above argument as a reason to believe in
Him. That is, you should only believe in Him because you truly do.
I never made the argument that you suggest. You are having comprehension
issues again. I can see what I said, and what I said and what you think I
said are not the same.
Take another look at your argument (it's at the top of this post). It is
an appeal to reason, not faith. You are trying to convince people to
believe in God based on a logical argument - not on the basis of what they
believe in their heart or soul. I don't think that is what you desired,
and if I'm correct, you should withdraw the argument.
YOU might think that's what I said, but nothing could be further from the
truth.
You have taken PART of what I said, and are using it in a vacuum. If you
used the ENTIRETY of what I said, you would see -- well, maybe not YOU, but
everybody else -- that what I said is completely different.
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| User: "Josh Rosenbluth" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
25 Dec 2006 10:54:17 PM |
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:yfudndmZ3N_xCQ3YnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@comcast.com...
Jeff Strickland wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hLWdnZeMueg07A3YnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com...
Jeff Strickland wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_ZidneYRj-JttRLYnZ2dnUVZ_t-mnZ2d@comcast.com...
Jeff Strickland wrote:
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has
lost is time on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there
IS God, and one behaves as though there is none, then he'll have
Hell to pay.
Do you think we can pull a fast one on God, as if He isn't going
to know you "believe" in Him only to hedge your bet against
spending eternity in Hell.
No, I do not believe one can pull a fast one on God. Sorry if I
made it look like you might get off easy.
So doesn't that destroy your above argument as a reason to believe
in Him. That is, you should only believe in Him because you truly do.
I never made the argument that you suggest. You are having
comprehension issues again. I can see what I said, and what I said
and what you think I said are not the same.
Take another look at your argument (it's at the top of this post). It
is an appeal to reason, not faith. You are trying to convince people
to believe in God based on a logical argument - not on the basis of
what they believe in their heart or soul. I don't think that is what
you desired, and if I'm correct, you should withdraw the argument.
YOU might think that's what I said, but nothing could be further from
the truth.
If not to make an appeal to reason, then explain your purpose in
offering Pascal's Wager?
Josh Rosenbluth
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| User: "Jeff Strickland" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
27 Dec 2006 07:13:10 PM |
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"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:tdOdnc7qge5mNw3YnZ2dnUVZ_oCmnZ2d@comcast.com...
Jeff Strickland wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:yfudndmZ3N_xCQ3YnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@comcast.com...
Jeff Strickland wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hLWdnZeMueg07A3YnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com...
Jeff Strickland wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_ZidneYRj-JttRLYnZ2dnUVZ_t-mnZ2d@comcast.com...
Jeff Strickland wrote:
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost
is time on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God,
and one behaves as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to
pay.
Do you think we can pull a fast one on God, as if He isn't going to
know you "believe" in Him only to hedge your bet against spending
eternity in Hell.
No, I do not believe one can pull a fast one on God. Sorry if I made
it look like you might get off easy.
So doesn't that destroy your above argument as a reason to believe in
Him. That is, you should only believe in Him because you truly do.
I never made the argument that you suggest. You are having
comprehension issues again. I can see what I said, and what I said and
what you think I said are not the same.
Take another look at your argument (it's at the top of this post). It
is an appeal to reason, not faith. You are trying to convince people to
believe in God based on a logical argument - not on the basis of what
they believe in their heart or soul. I don't think that is what you
desired, and if I'm correct, you should withdraw the argument.
YOU might think that's what I said, but nothing could be further from the
truth.
If not to make an appeal to reason, then explain your purpose in offering
Pascal's Wager?
Josh Rosenbluth
I had no idea I was offering Pascal's Wager. I do not know Pascal, sorry.
I could look him up easily enough, but there's not much point. If I managed
to recite his wager not knowing he had one, then knowing his wager now
wouldn't change what I said earlier. I do not pretend that what I said was
original in any way, surely what I have said has been said before -- whether
or not I know of any specific instance. What I stand behind is my ignorance
of Pascal's Wager.
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| User: "Nick J." |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
27 Dec 2006 08:25:05 PM |
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:tdOdnc7qge5mNw3YnZ2dnUVZ_oCmnZ2d@comcast.com...
Jeff Strickland wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:yfudndmZ3N_xCQ3YnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@comcast.com...
Jeff Strickland wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hLWdnZeMueg07A3YnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@comcast.com...
Jeff Strickland wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_ZidneYRj-JttRLYnZ2dnUVZ_t-mnZ2d@comcast.com...
Jeff Strickland wrote:
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost
is time on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God,
and one behaves as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to
pay.
Do you think we can pull a fast one on God, as if He isn't going to
know you "believe" in Him only to hedge your bet against spending
eternity in Hell.
No, I do not believe one can pull a fast one on God. Sorry if I made
it look like you might get off easy.
So doesn't that destroy your above argument as a reason to believe in
Him. That is, you should only believe in Him because you truly do.
I never made the argument that you suggest. You are having
comprehension issues again. I can see what I said, and what I said and
what you think I said are not the same.
Take another look at your argument (it's at the top of this post). It
is an appeal to reason, not faith. You are trying to convince people to
believe in God based on a logical argument - not on the basis of what
they believe in their heart or soul. I don't think that is what you
desired, and if I'm correct, you should withdraw the argument.
YOU might think that's what I said, but nothing could be further from the
truth.
If not to make an appeal to reason, then explain your purpose in offering
Pascal's Wager?
Josh Rosenbluth
I had no idea I was offering Pascal's Wager. I do not know Pascal, sorry.
I could look him up easily enough, but there's not much point. If I managed
to recite his wager not knowing he had one, then knowing his wager now
wouldn't change what I said earlier. I do not pretend that what I said was
original in any way, surely what I have said has been said before -- whether
or not I know of any specific instance. What I stand behind is my ignorance
of Pascal's Wager.
I find it unlikely that you were unaware of Pascal's Wager in all your
time posting on usenet.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
25 Dec 2006 12:49:13 AM |
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"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost is
time on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God, and one
behaves as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
You theists never tire of throwing Pascal's stupid Wager
in our faces. Did it ever occur to you that, if you choose
the wrong god, you might end up in its version of hell?
Then, you'll have hell to pay.
Do you think we can pull a fast one on God, as if He isn't going to know
you "believe" in Him only to hedge your bet against spending eternity in
Hell.
Please provide evidence of the existence of this god
in particular.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
25 Dec 2006 09:33:43 AM |
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Michelle Malkin wrote:
"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost is
time on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God, and one
behaves as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
You theists never tire of throwing Pascal's stupid Wager
in our faces. Did it ever occur to you that, if you choose
the wrong god, you might end up in its version of hell?
Then, you'll have hell to pay.
Do you think we can pull a fast one on God, as if He isn't going to know
you "believe" in Him only to hedge your bet against spending eternity in
Hell.
Please provide evidence of the existence of this god in particular.
I'm not arguing that God exists. I am arguing that Pascal's Wager
fails even if you assume God exists (but that information is unknown to
the wagerer). I also like your refutation.
Josh Rosenbluth
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| User: "Nick J." |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
24 Dec 2006 05:11:21 PM |
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
"Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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You are a typical dishonest or brain damaged religionist.
Interesting reply you give. It would be better received if you did not
resort to insults.
Atheism is believing in facts supported by objective verifiable evidence.
What about all the so called astheists who claim that there is no God.
They
have no evidence of this kind of statement. They take a position that is
even worse than the believers, who claim to have a belief in God, while
these so called atheists claim that there is no God. So one can say that
for
these atheists, their atheism is an actual belief system.
Religion is believing in things hoped for but not necessarily true.
True, so are you agreeing that atheism is now a religion, especially with
the lagre numbers of supposed atheists claiming there is no God.
Here are some important points to keep in mind about God.
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost is time
on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God, and one behaves
as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
I'll suffer a bit on earth trying to live as though there is God, hoping to
avoid having Hell to pay later. If you want to live for today and ignore
God, then you can pay later but leave me out. Frankly, living with God in my
heart doesn't demand all that much, and living without God demands more than
I care to tally.
Tell you what, I'll not judge your feeble existance of you'll refrain from
judging mine.
PS
I suppose I posted to the wrong level in the thread. Please pardon my
confusion. I'm pretty sure Dana is on board with my sentiments
Ahhhh, Pascal's Wager. The most debunked of the apologist's rhetroical
tricks. Call us when you get a new schtick.
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| User: "cpt banjo" |
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24 Dec 2006 05:39:58 PM |
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost is time
on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God, and one behaves
as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
I'll suffer a bit on earth trying to live as though there is God, hoping to
avoid having Hell to pay later. If you want to live for today and ignore
God, then you can pay later but leave me out. Frankly, living with God in my
heart doesn't demand all that much, and living without God demands more than
I care to tally.
Suppose, though, that God will punish all those, and only those, who
believe in Him. Then you're in big trouble, aren't you?.
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| User: "Jeff Strickland" |
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25 Dec 2006 06:37:34 PM |
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"cpt banjo" <cptbanjo@aol.com> wrote in message
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost is
time
on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God, and one
behaves
as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
I'll suffer a bit on earth trying to live as though there is God, hoping
to
avoid having Hell to pay later. If you want to live for today and ignore
God, then you can pay later but leave me out. Frankly, living with God in
my
heart doesn't demand all that much, and living without God demands more
than
I care to tally.
Suppose, though, that God will punish all those, and only those, who
believe in Him. Then you're in big trouble, aren't you?.
On the other hand, suppose God only punishes those that do not believe, or
those that profess to believe but do not walk the talk. Then, you're in big
trouble, no?
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
25 Dec 2006 09:19:09 AM |
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On 24 Dec 2006 15:39:58 -0800, "cpt banjo" <cptbanjo@aol.com> wrote:
Jeff Strickland wrote:
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost is time
on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God, and one behaves
as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
I'll suffer a bit on earth trying to live as though there is God, hoping to
avoid having Hell to pay later. If you want to live for today and ignore
God, then you can pay later but leave me out. Frankly, living with God in my
heart doesn't demand all that much, and living without God demands more than
I care to tally.
Suppose, though, that God will punish all those, and only those, who
believe in Him. Then you're in big trouble, aren't you?.
He sure is if what he believes turns out to be the Devil pretending to
be God.
There is no shortcut to heaven, but there is always a better way to
hell.
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| User: "Jeff Strickland" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
25 Dec 2006 06:38:13 PM |
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"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
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On 24 Dec 2006 15:39:58 -0800, "cpt banjo" <cptbanjo@aol.com> wrote:
Jeff Strickland wrote:
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost is
time
on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God, and one
behaves
as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
I'll suffer a bit on earth trying to live as though there is God, hoping
to
avoid having Hell to pay later. If you want to live for today and ignore
God, then you can pay later but leave me out. Frankly, living with God
in my
heart doesn't demand all that much, and living without God demands more
than
I care to tally.
Suppose, though, that God will punish all those, and only those, who
believe in Him. Then you're in big trouble, aren't you?.
He sure is if what he believes turns out to be the Devil pretending to
be God.
There is no shortcut to heaven, but there is always a better way to
hell.
I do not need to grease the skids to Hell ...
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
25 Dec 2006 06:55:03 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 16:38:13 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
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On 24 Dec 2006 15:39:58 -0800, "cpt banjo" <cptbanjo@aol.com> wrote:
Jeff Strickland wrote:
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost is
time
on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God, and one
behaves
as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
I'll suffer a bit on earth trying to live as though there is God, hoping
to
avoid having Hell to pay later. If you want to live for today and ignore
God, then you can pay later but leave me out. Frankly, living with God
in my
heart doesn't demand all that much, and living without God demands more
than
I care to tally.
Suppose, though, that God will punish all those, and only those, who
believe in Him. Then you're in big trouble, aren't you?.
He sure is if what he believes turns out to be the Devil pretending to
be God.
There is no shortcut to heaven, but there is always a better way to
hell.
I do not need to grease the skids to Hell ...
Maybe I misused the word. I mean it's an easier, quicker way to hell
comparing with the straight and narrow way to heaven.
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| User: "BanderStern" |
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24 Dec 2006 09:54:04 PM |
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 15:02:13 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote:
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost is time
on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God, and one behaves
as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
I'll suffer a bit on earth trying to live as though there is God, hoping to
avoid having Hell to pay later. If you want to live for today and ignore
God, then you can pay later but leave me out. Frankly, living with God in my
heart doesn't demand all that much, and living without God demands more than
I care to tally.
Pascal's Wager...a crock of ***** if there ever was one. It implies
that people can force themselves to believe in something even when
they don't.
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| User: "Jeff Strickland" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
25 Dec 2006 06:43:38 PM |
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"BanderStern" <lctaht@ungo.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 15:02:13 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote:
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has lost is time
on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there IS God, and one
behaves
as though there is none, then he'll have Hell to pay.
I'll suffer a bit on earth trying to live as though there is God, hoping
to
avoid having Hell to pay later. If you want to live for today and ignore
God, then you can pay later but leave me out. Frankly, living with God in
my
heart doesn't demand all that much, and living without God demands more
than
I care to tally.
Pascal's Wager...a crock of ***** if there ever was one. It implies
that people can force themselves to believe in something even when
they don't.
What of the part where one can ignore that which one believes in his heart
to ber true?
I do not suggest one have faith for the sake of faith, I suggest one have
faith for the sake of the soul.
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| User: "Craig" |
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26 Dec 2006 05:56:23 PM |
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As the historian Stephen Henry Roberts (1901-71) once said: "I contend
that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
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Remove My_Skin to E-mail me.
Jeff Strickland wrote:
"BanderStern" <lctaht@ungo.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 15:02:13 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote:
If there is NO God, and one believes in Him, then all one has
lost is time on earth to behave as one would like. But, if there
IS God, and one behaves as though there is none, then he'll have
Hell to pay.
I'll suffer a bit on earth trying to live as though there is God,
hoping to avoid having Hell to pay later. If you want to live for
today and ignore God, then you can pay later but leave me out.
Frankly, living with God in my heart doesn't demand all that
much, and living without God demands more than I care to tally.
Pascal's Wager...a crock of ***** if there ever was one. It implies
that people can force themselves to believe in something even when
they don't.
What of the part where one can ignore that which one believes in his
heart to ber true?
I do not suggest one have faith for the sake of faith, I suggest one
have faith for the sake of the soul.
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| User: "BanderStern" |
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25 Dec 2006 09:27:31 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 16:43:38 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote:
Pascal's Wager...a crock of ***** if there ever was one. It implies
that people can force themselves to believe in something even when
they don't.
What of the part where one can ignore that which one believes in his heart
to ber true?
Since I don't believe any of your religious ***** to be true, it's
a moot point...
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| User: "Jeff Strickland" |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
27 Dec 2006 07:14:53 PM |
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"BanderStern" <lctaht@ungo.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 16:43:38 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote:
Pascal's Wager...a crock of ***** if there ever was one. It implies
that people can force themselves to believe in something even when
they don't.
What of the part where one can ignore that which one believes in his heart
to ber true?
Since I don't believe any of your religious ***** to be true, it's
a moot point...
Moot for YOU. Not moot for those of faith.
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| User: "Nick J." |
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| Title: Re: Why are Atheists so intolerant of other religions? |
27 Dec 2006 08:28:00 PM |
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
"BanderStern" <lctaht@ungo.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 16:43:38 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
<crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote:
Pascal's Wager...a crock of ***** if there ever was one. It implies
that people can force themselves to believe in something even when
they don't.
What of the part where one can ignore that which one believes in his heart
to ber true?
Since I don't believe any of your religious ***** to be true, it's
a moot point...
Moot for YOU. Not moot for those of faith.
Yes, hence why he noted that he doesn't believe any of your relgious
*****, so you would understand that he isn't one of faith. Good to
see you have remedial reading skills.
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| User: "Eugene Griessel" |
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24 Dec 2006 02:47:45 PM |
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"Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote:
What about all the so called astheists who claim that there is no God. They
have no evidence of this kind of statement. They take a position that is
even worse than the believers, who claim to have a belief in God, while
these so called atheists claim that there is no God. So one can say that for
these atheists, their atheism is an actual belief system.
Lack of any evidence for a deity would lead any rational person to
state that such a deity does not exist - perhaps invoking the
anthropic principle. So no belief system is involved. Saying that
atheism is a belief system is a strawman, much beloved by
religionists. A scientist is always willing to change his/her
position once evidence to the contrary is presented. Are religionists
willing to do the same?
Eugene L Griessel
Always remember to pillage BEFORE you burn.
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