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"NeoTruthSeeker" |
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25 Apr 2006 10:31:47 AM |
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Re: Why doesn't God end all evil immediately? |
Rolf Ruhig wrote:
In article <18683-3F20BDD9-293@storefull-2193.public.lawson.webtv.net>,
MemberOfHeart@webtv.net (Member Of Heart .) wrote:
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AS GREAT EPICURUS SAID:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Epicurus
Do you, as Job of old did, wonder why God permits evil? If so, we feel
confident that you will find a comforting and satisfying answer to your
question in what follows.
PERHAPS no question has perplexed more honest-hearted persons than why
God permits evil, injustice, wickedness and suffering. Atheists pounce
upon that fact as proof that God does not exist. Thus Woolsey Teller,
general secretary of the American Association for the Advancement of
Atheism, Inc., in an interview insisted that the prevalence of “terrible
misery, stark poverty, plenty of pain,” proves that God does not exist.
The interviewer, while professing belief in God, was unable to give him
a satisfactory answer, but merely posed such questions as “But we don’t
know God’s purposes, do we?” “Do we humans presume to know what is in
the mind of God?”
Incidentally, let us note that many who use the existence of suffering
in the world as a reason for not exercising faith in God would have Him
perform continuous miracles in contravention of his own laws.
Inconsistently they would blame God for the wretchedness that man
continually brings upon himself because of his own selfish and foolish
course.
Can we know God’s purpose in permitting evil? Yes, we can, if we are
openminded and humble enough to be willing to heed his advice, “Come
now, and let us reason together,” on what he has to say in his Word, the
Bible. And is not that just what we should expect, that the Creator, who
has so abundantly provided for all our material needs, would also make
provision for satisfying our hunger and thirst for truth, for the whys
and wherefores of such perplexing things as the permission of evil?
Surely it is!—Isa. 1:18.
First of all let us note that “with God all things are possible,” for he
is a God of “wisdom and might.” Further, we are assured that “God is
love” and that “righteousness and justice are the foundation of his
throne.” (Matt. 19:26; Job 12:13; 1 John 4:8; Ps. 97:2, AS) While to the
atheist the permission of evil is a negation of God’s power and wisdom,
as if he were unable to stop it, and of his justice and love, as if he
were indifferent to evil, yet to those who really believe that God has
these four attributes in a perfect and infinite degree the permission of
evil merely raises the questions as to why God permits it and when he
will put an end to it.
Briefly stated, God has permitted evil because one of his creatures
raised the questions, Who is supreme? And, Can God put men on earth that
will keep integrity in spite of pressure and temptation? When these
questions have been fully answered, God will make an end to ev
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| User: "Koi-Lo" |
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| Title: Re: Why doesn't God end all evil (solicitors for murder) immediately? |
25 Apr 2006 10:54:19 AM |
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"NeoTruthSeeker" Antonio L Santana/Jabriol/Camden NJ
<truth@nobody.net> wrote in message news:Dhr3g.75$Sh.45@trnddc06...
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Epicurus
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Wouldn't it be nice if there was a god and he actually got rid of murderers
and those soliciting murder for example?
Please remove rec.ponds from this cross-posting troll's thread.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zhavriol" aka Jabriol <zodriol@gmail.com>SOLICITATION TO MURDER?
Antonio L Santana/Camden NJ cong of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Subject: Carol Adamo Gulley -she is tired of living, please
help her
(Is this solicitation to murder someone - it sure sounds like it.)
Maybe they are people out there who wants you to rejoined your loved
departed ones.
Let me help them find you so they can help you out:
Carolyn Adamo Gulley
(victim's phone #, address, maps to her home supplied by Mr. Santana
snipped).
Mr. Antonio L Santana then suggests someone break in her home in the middle
of the night and slit her throat or kill her by suffocation.
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| User: "Mindfucked" |
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| Title: Re: Why doesn't God end all evil (solicitors for murder) immediately? |
25 Apr 2006 11:17:44 AM |
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"Koi-Lo" <Koi@koi-lo.com> wrote in message
news:444e3af0$0$24135$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
"NeoTruthSeeker" Antonio L Santana/Jabriol/Camden NJ
<truth@nobody.net> wrote in message news:Dhr3g.75$Sh.45@trnddc06...
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not
omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Epicurus
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Wouldn't it be nice if there was a god and he actually got rid of
murderers
and those soliciting murder for example?
Would he not get rid of liars as well - how does that benefit you, Carol -
the number one liar on ARJ-W?
Please remove rec.ponds from this cross-posting troll's thread.
Hmmmm
- no.
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| User: "Mr. Bla" |
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| Title: Re: Why doesn't God end all evil (solicitors for murder) immediately? |
25 Apr 2006 04:21:43 PM |
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"Koi-Lo" <Koi@koi-lo.com> wrote in message
news:444e3af0$0$24135$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
"NeoTruthSeeker" Antonio L Santana/Jabriol/Camden NJ
<truth@nobody.net> wrote in message news:Dhr3g.75$Sh.45@trnddc06...
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not
omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Epicurus
===============================
Wouldn't it be nice if there was a god and he actually got rid of
murderers
and those soliciting murder for example?
Please remove rec.ponds from this cross-posting troll's thread.
Let me see if I got this right, You want God to get rid of all the
evil in the world.....But then If a JW talks about paradise on earth
you mock him because he is carrying a basket of veggies, or you talk
about how a lion can't be a herbivore. So, to summarise; wouldn't it
be nice if a God, who I claim I don't believe in, would by force make
a world which I have claimed before is a silly delusional idea (not a
litteral quote but certainly the spirit of the message).
Bla
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| User: "Warren H. Hastario" |
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| Title: Re: Why doesn't God end all evil (solicitors for murder) immediately? |
25 Apr 2006 09:04:59 PM |
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"Mr. Bla" <bla@bla.com> wrote in message
news:PsydnRkPif_wD9PZnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@comcast.com...
"Koi-Lo" <Koi@koi-lo.com> wrote in message
news:444e3af0$0$24135$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
Wouldn't it be nice if there was a god and he actually got rid of
murderers
and those soliciting murder for example?
Please remove rec.ponds from this cross-posting troll's thread.
Let me see if I got this right, You want God to get rid of all the
evil in the world.....But then If a JW talks about paradise on earth
you mock him because he is carrying a basket of veggies, or you talk
about how a lion can't be a herbivore.
So, to summarise; wouldn't it
be nice if a God, who I claim I don't believe in, would by force make
a world which I have claimed before is a silly delusional idea (not a
litteral quote but certainly the spirit of the message).
Bla
The "world" was claimed to be a "silly delusional idea?" I missed that
post somewhere. Lions can't be herbivores. They'd starve to death.
--
WH........
In light of the fact that there is no physical
evidence any God exists, I find it very strange that all these
different "Gods" are superior to everybody else's. Perhaps the
whole concept of GOD is simply designed to make ourselves feel
superior to everybody (and everything) else. Campbell.
<> ~~~ ><> ~~~ ><> ~~~ ><> ~~~ ><> ~~~ ><> ~~~ ><> ~~~ ><> ~~~
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| User: "BlackKnight" |
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| Title: Re: Why doesn't God end all evil (solicitors for murder) immediately? |
26 Apr 2006 06:55:47 AM |
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Mr. Bla wrote:
"Koi-Lo" <Koi@koi-lo.com> wrote in message
news:444e3af0$0$24135$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
"NeoTruthSeeker" Antonio L Santana/Jabriol/Camden NJ
<truth@nobody.net> wrote in message news:Dhr3g.75$Sh.45@trnddc06...
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not
omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Epicurus
===============================
Wouldn't it be nice if there was a god and he actually got rid of
murderers
and those soliciting murder for example?
Please remove rec.ponds from this cross-posting troll's thread.
Let me see if I got this right, You want God to get rid of all the
evil in the world.....But then If a JW talks about paradise on earth
you mock him because he is carrying a basket of veggies, or you talk
about how a lion can't be a herbivore. So, to summarise; wouldn't it
be nice if a God, who I claim I don't believe in, would by force make
a world which I have claimed before is a silly delusional idea (not a
litteral quote but certainly the spirit of the message).
Bla
The woman is an atheist. She doesn't believe in a god to begin with. Her
hint was she wants God to kill me. But she runs around the Net saying
that I want her killed. to the point of filing a bogud police report
than stating on the net, I am under a two state investigation.
She call God a murderer, but she can becomes God friend if he kills me.
No doubt Carol is insane.
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| User: "Mindfucked" |
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| Title: Re: Why doesn't God end all evil (solicitors for murder) immediately? |
27 Apr 2006 07:59:51 AM |
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"BlackKnight" <chess@checkmate.org> wrote in message
news:7dJ3g.4418$yI1.994@trnddc04...
Mr. Bla wrote:
"Koi-Lo" <Koi@koi-lo.com> wrote in message
news:444e3af0$0$24135$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
"NeoTruthSeeker" Antonio L Santana/Jabriol/Camden NJ
<truth@nobody.net> wrote in message news:Dhr3g.75$Sh.45@trnddc06...
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not
omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Epicurus
===============================
Wouldn't it be nice if there was a god and he actually got rid of
murderers
and those soliciting murder for example?
Please remove rec.ponds from this cross-posting troll's thread.
Let me see if I got this right, You want God to get rid of all the
evil in the world.....But then If a JW talks about paradise on earth
you mock him because he is carrying a basket of veggies, or you talk
about how a lion can't be a herbivore. So, to summarise; wouldn't it
be nice if a God, who I claim I don't believe in, would by force make
a world which I have claimed before is a silly delusional idea (not a
litteral quote but certainly the spirit of the message).
Bla
The woman is an atheist. She doesn't believe in a god to begin with. Her
hint was she wants God to kill me. But she runs around the Net saying
that I want her killed. to the point of filing a bogud police report
than stating on the net, I am under a two state investigation.
She call God a murderer, but she can becomes God friend if he kills me.
No doubt Carol is insane.
She is an atheist when it suits her - she will also invoke god or jesus when
it suits her - further proof of her insanity!
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| User: "Koi-Lo" |
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| Title: Re: Why doesn't God end all evil (solicitors for murder) immediately? |
27 Apr 2006 08:42:05 AM |
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Carol Gulley is a whacko
Seriously in need of professional mental help.
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:59:51 +0100, "Mindfucked"
<mindfucked@bulldoghome.com> wrote:
<>
<>"BlackKnight" <chess@checkmate.org> wrote in message
<>news:7dJ3g.4418$yI1.994@trnddc04...
<>> Mr. Bla wrote:
<>> > "Koi-Lo" <Koi@koi-lo.com> wrote in message
<>> > news:444e3af0$0$24135$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
<>> >> "NeoTruthSeeker" Antonio L Santana/Jabriol/Camden NJ
<>> >> <truth@nobody.net> wrote in message news:Dhr3g.75$Sh.45@trnddc06...
<>> >>
<>> >>>> Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not
<>> > omnipotent.
<>> >>>> Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
<>> >>>> Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from?
<>> >>>> Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
<>> >>>>
<>> >>>> Epicurus
<>> >> ===============================
<>> >> Wouldn't it be nice if there was a god and he actually got rid of
<>> > murderers
<>> >> and those soliciting murder for example?
<>> >> Please remove rec.ponds from this cross-posting troll's thread.
<>> >
<>> >
<>> > Let me see if I got this right, You want God to get rid of all the
<>> > evil in the world.....But then If a JW talks about paradise on earth
<>> > you mock him because he is carrying a basket of veggies, or you talk
<>> > about how a lion can't be a herbivore. So, to summarise; wouldn't it
<>> > be nice if a God, who I claim I don't believe in, would by force make
<>> > a world which I have claimed before is a silly delusional idea (not a
<>> > litteral quote but certainly the spirit of the message).
<>> >
<>> > Bla
<>> >
<>> >
<>>
<>> The woman is an atheist. She doesn't believe in a god to begin with. Her
<>> hint was she wants God to kill me. But she runs around the Net saying
<>> that I want her killed. to the point of filing a bogud police report
<>> than stating on the net, I am under a two state investigation.
<>>
<>> She call God a murderer, but she can becomes God friend if he kills me.
<>> No doubt Carol is insane.
<>
<>She is an atheist when it suits her - she will also invoke god or jesus when
<>it suits her - further proof of her insanity!
<>
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1982.
Aquariums since 1956.
Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
*Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds.
But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo.
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
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| User: "swarvegorilla" |
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| Title: Re: Why doesn't God end all evil (solicitors for murder) immediately? |
28 Apr 2006 11:18:02 AM |
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"Koi-Lo" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4456c904.3254459@news.west.earthlink.net...
Carol Gulley is a whacko
Seriously in need of professional mental help.
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:59:51 +0100, "Mindfucked"
<mindfucked@bulldoghome.com> wrote:
<>
<>"BlackKnight" <chess@checkmate.org> wrote in message
<>news:7dJ3g.4418$yI1.994@trnddc04...
<>> Mr. Bla wrote:
<>> > "Koi-Lo" <Koi@koi-lo.com> wrote in message
<>> > news:444e3af0$0$24135$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
<>> >> "NeoTruthSeeker" Antonio L Santana/Jabriol/Camden NJ
<>> >> <truth@nobody.net> wrote in message
news:Dhr3g.75$Sh.45@trnddc06...
<>> >>
<>> >>>> Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not
<>> > omnipotent.
<>> >>>> Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
<>> >>>> Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from?
<>> >>>> Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
<>> >>>>
<>> >>>> Epicurus
<>> >> ===============================
<>> >> Wouldn't it be nice if there was a god and he actually got rid of
<>> > murderers
<>> >> and those soliciting murder for example?
<>> >> Please remove rec.ponds from this cross-posting troll's thread.
<>> >
<>> >
<>> > Let me see if I got this right, You want God to get rid of all the
<>> > evil in the world.....But then If a JW talks about paradise on
earth
<>> > you mock him because he is carrying a basket of veggies, or you
talk
<>> > about how a lion can't be a herbivore. So, to summarise; wouldn't
it
<>> > be nice if a God, who I claim I don't believe in, would by force
make
<>> > a world which I have claimed before is a silly delusional idea (not
a
<>> > litteral quote but certainly the spirit of the message).
<>> >
<>> > Bla
<>> >
<>> >
<>>
<>> The woman is an atheist. She doesn't believe in a god to begin with.
Her
<>> hint was she wants God to kill me. But she runs around the Net saying
<>> that I want her killed. to the point of filing a bogud police report
<>> than stating on the net, I am under a two state investigation.
<>>
<>> She call God a murderer, but she can becomes God friend if he kills
me.
<>> No doubt Carol is insane.
<>
<>She is an atheist when it suits her - she will also invoke god or jesus
when
<>it suits her - further proof of her insanity!
<>
why are religeous people usually so dumb?
Your fools and your kids hate you for banning xmas and birthdays.
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| User: "Mindfucked" |
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| Title: Re: Why doesn't God end all evil (solicitors for murder) immediately? |
28 Apr 2006 05:12:41 PM |
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"swarvegorilla" <fatcatfish@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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<>> >
<>> >
<>>
<>> The woman is an atheist. She doesn't believe in a god to begin
with.
Her
<>> hint was she wants God to kill me. But she runs around the Net
saying
<>> that I want her killed. to the point of filing a bogud police
report
<>> than stating on the net, I am under a two state investigation.
<>>
<>> She call God a murderer, but she can becomes God friend if he kills
me.
<>> No doubt Carol is insane.
<>
<>She is an atheist when it suits her - she will also invoke god or
jesus
when
<>it suits her - further proof of her insanity!
<>
why are religeous people usually so dumb?
Your fools and your kids hate you for banning xmas and birthdays.
Your first 'Your' should read 'You're' - the contraction of 'you' and
'are'.
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| User: "Koi-Lo" |
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| Title: Re: Why doesn't God end all evil (solicitors for murder) immediately? |
29 Apr 2006 12:46:46 AM |
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"swarvegorilla" <fatcatfish@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:44523fc8$0$10674$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
why are religeous people usually so dumb?
Your fools and your kids hate you for banning xmas and birthdays.
Can you believe I'm so special that there are now three of them totally and
completely OBSESSED with me? My name is used more times on these
cross-posted treads than anyone else's.
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| User: "Precision" |
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27 Apr 2006 02:16:56 AM |
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"BlackKnight" <chess@checkmate.org> wrote in message
news:7dJ3g.4418$yI1.994@trnddc04...
Mr. Bla wrote:
"Koi-Lo" <Koi@koi-lo.com> wrote in message
news:444e3af0$0$24135$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
"NeoTruthSeeker" Antonio L Santana/Jabriol/Camden NJ
<truth@nobody.net> wrote in message news:Dhr3g.75$Sh.45@trnddc06...
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not
omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Epicurus
===============================
Wouldn't it be nice if there was a god and he actually got rid of
murderers
and those soliciting murder for example?
Please remove rec.ponds from this cross-posting troll's thread.
Let me see if I got this right, You want God to get rid of all the
evil in the world.....But then If a JW talks about paradise on earth
you mock him because he is carrying a basket of veggies, or you talk
about how a lion can't be a herbivore. So, to summarise; wouldn't it
be nice if a God, who I claim I don't believe in, would by force make
a world which I have claimed before is a silly delusional idea (not a
litteral quote but certainly the spirit of the message).
Bla
The woman is an atheist. She doesn't believe in a god to begin with. Her
hint was she wants God to kill me. But she runs around the Net saying that
I want her killed. to the point of filing a bogud police report than
stating on the net, I am under a two state investigation.
She call God a murderer, but she can becomes God friend if he kills me. No
doubt Carol is insane.
I hate to say it but maybe you need to have her jailed for filing false
police reports and identity theft. By placing your name falsely on police
reports and engaging law enforcement agencies to pursue you, she is
misappropriating your identity and good name for vengeful and malicious
purposes. Did you know this could ruin your credit rating and make it
difficult for you to find future employment? A serious crime has been
committed against you. If I were you I would work to clear your name to
prevent the destruction of your background which future employers might
check in the routine hiring process. You also run the risk of getting pulled
over if your license plate is entered into the database of those who are
wanted by law enforcement out of state. The personal cost of recovery is
such that you may have no choice but to file civil action. It's possible
this woman's homeowners policy or other insurance could provide the "deep
pockets" to make such a civil suit worthwhile, especially if you have
suffered any monetary loss from having a employment application denied
(which could be due to a failed background check).
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| User: "Mindfucked" |
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| Title: Re: Why doesn't God end all evil (solicitors for murder) immediately? |
27 Apr 2006 09:15:39 AM |
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"Precision" <precision@usenet.com> wrote in message
news:1146121942_1899@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
"BlackKnight" <chess@checkmate.org> wrote in message
news:7dJ3g.4418$yI1.994@trnddc04...
Mr. Bla wrote:
"Koi-Lo" <Koi@koi-lo.com> wrote in message
news:444e3af0$0$24135$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
"NeoTruthSeeker" Antonio L Santana/Jabriol/Camden NJ
<truth@nobody.net> wrote in message news:Dhr3g.75$Sh.45@trnddc06...
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not
omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Epicurus
===============================
Wouldn't it be nice if there was a god and he actually got rid of
murderers
and those soliciting murder for example?
Please remove rec.ponds from this cross-posting troll's thread.
Let me see if I got this right, You want God to get rid of all the
evil in the world.....But then If a JW talks about paradise on earth
you mock him because he is carrying a basket of veggies, or you talk
about how a lion can't be a herbivore. So, to summarise; wouldn't it
be nice if a God, who I claim I don't believe in, would by force make
a world which I have claimed before is a silly delusional idea (not a
litteral quote but certainly the spirit of the message).
Bla
The woman is an atheist. She doesn't believe in a god to begin with. Her
hint was she wants God to kill me. But she runs around the Net saying
that
I want her killed. to the point of filing a bogud police report than
stating on the net, I am under a two state investigation.
She call God a murderer, but she can becomes God friend if he kills me.
No
doubt Carol is insane.
I hate to say it but maybe you need to have her jailed for filing false
police reports and identity theft. By placing your name falsely on police
reports and engaging law enforcement agencies to pursue you, she is
misappropriating your identity and good name for vengeful and malicious
purposes. Did you know this could ruin your credit rating and make it
difficult for you to find future employment? A serious crime has been
committed against you. If I were you I would work to clear your name to
prevent the destruction of your background which future employers might
check in the routine hiring process. You also run the risk of getting
pulled
over if your license plate is entered into the database of those who are
wanted by law enforcement out of state. The personal cost of recovery is
such that you may have no choice but to file civil action. It's possible
this woman's homeowners policy or other insurance could provide the "deep
pockets" to make such a civil suit worthwhile, especially if you have
suffered any monetary loss from having a employment application denied
(which could be due to a failed background check).
That is certainly an course of action that I would consider if I were
Jabriol.
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27 Apr 2006 12:15:08 PM |
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"Precision" Covering up for a brother JW who is looking to have someone
killed ?<precision@usenet.com> wrote in message
news:1146121942_1899@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
I hate to say it but maybe you need to have her jailed for filing false
police reports and identity theft.
Not when the police have his messages in their hands already. If these were
all fakes as Antonio is now trying to convince people they are because he's
been reported - his victim CAROL would be in jail right now. She isn't.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jabriol" <jabriol1@excite.com> Antonio L Santana
Jehovah's Witness from Camden NJ
news:9e9431eb.0408131047.227f1e7@posting.google.com
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 2:45 AM
(Message of solicitation to commit murder?)
youre doomed.. you know it.
Help put this woman out of her misery (i.e. Murder her)
And he included the name, address and phone number of his Victim. Are you
going to be an accessory to a crime Precision? Remember, the police can
find you with a warrant in less than 24 hrs. Covering up for crime is a
crime itself in the USA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zhavriol" aka Jabriol <zodriol@gmail.com>Antonio L Santana
Antonio L Santana/Camden NJ cong of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Subject: Carol XXX XXXX -she is tired of living, please
help her (premeditated murder)
Maybe they are people out there who wants you to rejoined your loved
departed ones.
Let me help them find you so they can help you out:
Carolyn XXX XXXX (address supplied by Antonio Santana snipped).
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| User: "Mindfucked" |
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| Title: Re: Why doesn't God end all evil (solicitors for murder) immediately? JW coverups now? |
27 Apr 2006 05:08:49 PM |
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"MaryAnn" <invalid@Invalid.Invalid> wrote in message
news:4450fd5b$0$1356$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com...
"Precision" Covering up for a brother JW who is looking to have someone
killed ?<precision@usenet.com> wrote in message
news:1146121942_1899@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
I hate to say it but maybe you need to have her jailed for filing false
police reports and identity theft.
Not when the police have his messages in their hands already. If these
were
all fakes as Antonio is now trying to convince people they are because
he's
been reported - his victim CAROL would be in jail right now. She isn't.
If the alleged threat was believed by the police to be a threat to anyones
life, why isn't the alleged threatener in jail? He isn't.
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27 Apr 2006 11:17:34 PM |
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Pecking at the keyboard with two fingers <MaryAnn> at
<invalid@Invalid.Invalid> turned out this gem:
Not when the police have his messages in their hands already. If
these were all fakes as Antonio is now trying to convince people they
are because he's been reported - his victim CAROL would be in jail
right now. She isn't.
Let's not forget this one from the JW obsessed with sex!
Another fine "WITNESS" from Antonio L Santana
Camden NJ:
----- Original Message -----
From: "jabriol" <jabr...@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <1113049699.796418.261...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.154.80.14 [Antonio L Santana]
Subject: Re: fornication!
CArol the coward standing behind annon remailers again.
of course, she has to do so to hide from the lawsuit. or maybe she
hides because she don't want revealed how her husband, banged son and
grand son in her own bed, while she was feeding her fish. Unlike her I
have no need to hide behind a remailer, and if what I say is not true,
they can come to camden and sue... if they survive the night.
did not know her husband was a Michael Jackson wanna be.
Antonio Santana, Jehovah's Witness then posts the personal information of
this
couple on Usenet. Why? Why didn't he call the police when he saw this
rape?
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27 Apr 2006 08:26:24 PM |
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"Precision" another JW trying to hide a possible planned crime and involve
himself (accessory to murder)<precision@usenet.com> wrote in message
news:1146121942_1899@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
SSSSIIIPPP!
Well Precision, any reasonable person would say this looks like solicitation
for someone to murder CAROL by your bother Antonio! And they were all
*posted by Mr Santana*.... every one of them, some being in the hands of the
TN Police.
If Carol faked them she would be in jail tonight as you must agree.
# 1<JhemHaddar@gmail.com> Antonio L Santana/Jehovah's Witness/Camden NJ
wrote in message
news:1139488617.844812.67530@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Someone should go and take her out of her misery. (i.e. murder the person)
Note: Antonio L Santana hints at slitting her throat or suffocation.
# 2----- Original Message -----
From: "Zhavriol" aka Jabriol <zodriol@gmail.com>
Antonio L Santana/Camden NJ cong of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Subject: Carol Adamo Gulley -she is tired of living, please
help her (This sounds like solicitation to murder someone.)
Maybe they are people out there who wants you to rejoined your loved
departed ones.
Let me help them find you so they can help you out:
Carolyn Adamo Gulley
(victim's phone #, address, maps to her home supplied by Mr. Santana
snipped).
And
#3 Message-ID: <1143332829.898493.270490@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
From: <Xabriol@gmail.com> Antonio L. Santana/Camden Cong. of
Jehovah's Witnesses regarding the premeditated murder of Carol Gulley.
You are doomed Carol. And they will just pick up the pieces. did you
write your will and testement yet?
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27 Apr 2006 06:48:51 PM |
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Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond <Precision> at
<precision@usenet.com> was heard opining:
"BlackKnight" <chess@checkmate.org> wrote in message
news:7dJ3g.4418$yI1.994@trnddc04...
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I think everyone knows by now that the Jehovah's Witness known as Jabriol
who is really Antonio L Santana of Camden NJ has been looking for someone to
go out to his victim's home and I quote Antonio, "slash her throat in the
middle of the night" or, and I quote him again, "suffocate her with a
plastic bag." He has claimed he was going to kill the pets "slowing and
painfully." He was given her address by another sociopathic JW who also
outed his own brother JW Mark S. Why he would want Mark or his family
attacked by net psychos is a mystery. This is truly a dangerous cult as
anyone who has been on these NGs awhile can see. Antonio wont rest until he
finds someone to kill or in some way silence his target victim. His brother
JWs, like yourself, on Usenet see nothing wrong with what he's doing and in
fact are helping
him. The Watchtower calls this stalking, endangering and harassment
"Theocratic Warfare Strategy."
CH.........
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zhavriol" aka Jabriol <zodriol@gmail.com>
Antonio L Santana/Camden NJ cong of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Subject: Carol XXX XXXX -she is tired of living, please
help her (premeditated murder)
Maybe they are people out there who wants you to rejoined your loved
departed ones.
Let me help them find you so they can help you out:
Carolyn XXX XXXX (address and phone # supplied by Mr Santana snipped).
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| User: "Mindfucked" |
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27 Apr 2006 08:17:16 PM |
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"Koi-Lo" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:445157f2@usenet.zapto.org...
Moments before taking that leap of faith into the pond <Precision> at
<precision@usenet.com> was heard opining:
"BlackKnight" <chess@checkmate.org> wrote in message
news:7dJ3g.4418$yI1.994@trnddc04...
====================
I think everyone knows by now that the Jehovah's Witness known as Jabriol
who is really Antonio L Santana of Camden NJ has been looking for someone
to
go out to his victim's home and I quote Antonio, "slash her throat in the
middle of the night" or, and I quote him again, "suffocate her with a
plastic bag." He has claimed he was going to kill the pets "slowing and
painfully." He was given her address by another sociopathic JW who also
outed his own brother JW Mark S. Why he would want Mark or his family
attacked by net psychos is a mystery. This is truly a dangerous cult as
anyone who has been on these NGs awhile can see. Antonio wont rest until
he
finds someone to kill or in some way silence his target victim. His
brother
JWs, like yourself, on Usenet see nothing wrong with what he's doing and
in
fact are helping
him. The Watchtower calls this stalking, endangering and harassment
"Theocratic Warfare Strategy."
I think everyone knows by now that Carol is an inveterate liar, unable to
string together two successive sentences without lying.
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27 Apr 2006 08:16:47 PM |
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Precision wrote:
I hate to say it but maybe you need to have her jailed for filing false
police reports and identity theft. By placing your name falsely on police
reports and engaging law enforcement agencies to pursue you, she is
misappropriating your identity and good name for vengeful and malicious
purposes. Did you know this could ruin your credit rating and make it
difficult for you to find future employment? A serious crime has been
committed against you.
Not really I haven't been charged with anything. But in a few week Carol
will be receiving an interesting visit, Not from an Assassin, most
likely from law enforcement. Have you heard she got "disfellowedshiped"
from motorcycle gang.
If I were you I would work to clear your name to
prevent the destruction of your background which future employers might
check in the routine hiring process. You also run the risk of getting pulled
over if your license plate is entered into the database of those who are
wanted by law enforcement out of state. The personal cost of recovery is
such that you may have no choice but to file civil action.
Oh that is in the works.
It's possible
this woman's homeowners policy or other insurance could provide the "deep
pockets" to make such a civil suit worthwhile, especially if you have
suffered any monetary loss from having a employment application denied
(which could be due to a failed background check).
golly she will be homeless again.
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25 Apr 2006 12:53:46 PM |
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Koi-Lo wrote:
"NeoTruthSeeker" Antonio L Santana/Jabriol/Camden NJ
<truth@nobody.net> wrote in message news:Dhr3g.75$Sh.45@trnddc06...
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Epicurus
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Wouldn't it be nice if there was a god and he actually got rid of
murderers and those soliciting murder for example?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zhavriol" aka Jabriol <zodriol@gmail.com>SOLICITATION TO MURDER?
Antonio L Santana/Camden NJ cong of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Subject: Carol Adamo Gulley -she is tired of living, please
help her
(Is this solicitation to murder someone - it sure sounds like it.)
Not according to your Sheriff Dept. Just because a swamp stinks, doesnt
make it a toilet nor your kitchen. As for evil...
At the beginning of man’s existence there was no evil. God had created
man perfect, even as his Word assures us, “Perfect is his activity.” God
created man in His likeness in that He gave man a measure of wisdom,
justice, love and power. He also made man a free moral agent, free to
choose to do right or wrong, reaping, of course, the consequences of his
choice. He placed man in a beautiful garden, Paradise, and gave him a
threefold mandate, to be fruitful, subdue the earth and have dominion
over the lower animals, the carrying out of which would enable man to
make the fullest possible use of his faculties and attributes.—Deut.
32:4, NW; Gen. 1:26-28.
With all this God placed man under but a single restriction: he must not
eat of the fruit of a certain tree. This restriction did not work any
hardship upon man, as he did not need its particular fruit to sustain
life. Nor was compliance with this restriction a difficult thing to do.
God, as Supreme Sovereign and Benefactor, had a perfect right to forbid
man the privilege of eating this particular fruit, and he did so for
several good reasons. This restriction instilled in man the fear of
Jehovah, for it emphasized his dependence upon God for life; that God
had given it to him and could take it away again. It also would show
whether man appreciated all that God had done for him or not, and might
even be said to have made man appreciate his blessings all the more,
realizing that they could be lost. Further, it furnished the ideal test
of man’s love for God, for ‘if we love God we shall keep his
commandments.’—1 John 5:3.
Not only did God provide man with certain faculties and instructions on
how to use them, but he also appointed for man a ‘covering cherub,’ a
guardian angel, as it were, to guide, instruct and safeguard man. (Ezek.
28:14) This angelic deputy, however, allowed his appointment to give him
an undue opinion of his own importance, awakening in him an ambition to
be worshiped as Jehovah God was. To that end he set about to estrange
man from his Maker, Benefactor and Friend by means of base slander. By
sowing distrust in the mind of the woman this one succeeded in causing
both her and her husband to disobey, thus manifesting a lack of love and
appreciation. God, consistent with his word, sentenced them to return to
the dust, and eventually they did.—Gen. 3:1-19; 5:5.
Because of his ambition and rebellion this one is subsequently referred
to in the Scriptures as “the dragon, the original serpent, who is the
Devil and Satan.” And that it was indeed his ambition to be worshiped
like Jehovah God is apparent from Isaiah 14:12-14, where we read of his
boast to match the Most High, and from Matthew 4:8-10, which records his
offer to give Jesus all the kingdoms of the world if Jesus would but bow
down and do an act of worship before Satan.—Rev. 20:2, NW.
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25 Apr 2006 10:17:20 PM |
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"NeoTruthSeeker" NET STALKER of old women posted numerous messages to his
victim on this date<truth@nobody.net>Jabriol aka Antonio L Santana wrote in
message news:Kmt3g.119$Sh.44@trnddc06...
Koi-Lo wrote:
SSSSNNNNIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPP!
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This looks like solicitation for someone to murder someone to me Antonio!
And they were
all *posted by YOU*.... every one of them or as you said yourself - I'd be
in prison tonight.
# 1<JhemHaddar@gmail.com> Antonio L Santana/Jehovah's Witness/Camden NJ
wrote in message
news:1139488617.844812.67530@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Someone should go and take her out of her misery. (i.e. murder the person)
Note: Antonio L Santana then goes on to suggest slitting
her throat or suffocation.
# 2----- Original Message -----
From: "Zhavriol" aka Jabriol <zodriol@gmail.com>
Antonio L Santana/Camden NJ cong of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Subject: Carol Adamo Gulley -she is tired of living, please
help her (is this solicitation to murder someone)
Maybe they are people out there who wants you to rejoined your loved
departed ones.
Let me help them find you so they can help you out:
Carolyn Adamo Gulley
(victim's phone #, address, maps to her home supplied by Mr. Santana
snipped).
Mr. Antonio L Santana then suggests someone break in her home in the middle
of the night and slit her throat or kill her by suffocation.
And
#3 Message-ID: <1143332829.898493.270490@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
From: <Xabriol@gmail.com> Antonio L. Santana/Camden Cong. of
Jehovah's Witnesses regarding the premeditated murder of Carol Gulley.
You are doomed Carol. And they will just pick up the pieces. did you
write your will and testement yet?
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| User: "NeoTruthSeeker" |
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25 Apr 2006 11:23:14 AM |
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Koi-Lo wrote:
"NeoTruthSeeker" Antonio L Santana/Jabriol/Camden NJ
<truth@nobody.net> wrote in message news:Dhr3g.75$Sh.45@trnddc06...
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Epicurus
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Wouldn't it be nice if there was a god and he actually got rid of
murderers and those soliciting murder for example?
Please remove rec.ponds from this cross-posting troll's thread.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zhavriol" aka Jabriol <zodriol@gmail.com>SOLICITATION TO MURDER?
Antonio L Santana/Camden NJ cong of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Subject: Carol Adamo Gulley -she is tired of living, please
help her
(Is this solicitation to murder someone - it sure sounds like it.)
Maybe they are people out there who wants you to rejoined your loved
departed ones.
Let me help them find you so they can help you out:
Carolyn Adamo Gulley
(victim's phone #, address, maps to her home supplied by Mr. Santana
snipped).
Mr. Antonio L Santana then suggests someone break in her home in the middle
of the night and slit her throat or kill her by suffocation.
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Go away Liar...
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25 Apr 2006 01:10:25 PM |
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NeoTruthSeeker wrote:
AS GREAT EPICURUS SAID:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Epicurus
Briefly stated, God has permitted evil because one of his creatures
raised the questions, Who is supreme?
That's it? All of the suffering ,torture, war, famine,
plague, and pain is God's way of answering a simple question.
Then he answered alright, he clearly stated he is the
supreme sadist of all time.
Larry
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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30 Apr 2006 10:58:48 PM |
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On 25 Apr 2006 11:10:25 -0700, "lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu" <lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote:
NeoTruthSeeker wrote:
AS GREAT EPICURUS SAID:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Epicurus
Briefly stated, God has permitted evil because one of his creatures
raised the questions, Who is supreme?
That's it? All of the suffering ,torture, war, famine,
plague, and pain is God's way of answering a simple question.
God was created by simple beings.
Then he answered alright, he clearly stated he is the
supreme sadist of all time.
You got it.
Larry
Barry
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Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
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25 Apr 2006 05:02:24 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:31:47 GMT, NeoTruthSeeker <truth@nobody.net> wrote:
Do you, as Job of old did, wonder why God permits evil? If so, we feel
confident that you will find a comforting and satisfying answer to your
question in what follows.
I already know the answer. God wants our choice. And we will be rewarded
accordingly.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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30 Apr 2006 11:00:19 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:02:24 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:31:47 GMT, NeoTruthSeeker <truth@nobody.net> wrote:
Do you, as Job of old did, wonder why God permits evil? If so, we feel
confident that you will find a comforting and satisfying answer to your
question in what follows.
I already know the answer. God wants our choice. And we will be rewarded
accordingly.
So if we reject God we get to spend eternity in paradise?
duke, American-American
Barry
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Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
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25 Apr 2006 10:58:26 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:31:47 GMT, NeoTruthSeeker <truth@nobody.net> wrote:
Do you, as Job of old did, wonder why God permits evil? If so, we feel
confident that you will find a comforting and satisfying answer to your
question in what follows.
I already know the answer. God wants our choice. And we will be rewarded
accordingly.
If he doesn't already know what it'll be, he's obviously not an omnipotent
god...so why should anyone bother worshiping it?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 6, Peoria 1 (April 24)
NEXT GAME: Wednesday, April 26 at Peoria, 7:05 (Game 4)
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25 Apr 2006 09:16:13 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:31:47 GMT, NeoTruthSeeker <truth@nobody.net> wrote:
Do you, as Job of old did, wonder why God permits evil? If so, we feel
confident that you will find a comforting and satisfying answer to your
question in what follows.
I already know the answer. God wants our choice. And we will be rewarded
accordingly.
And you're pissing Odin off.
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26 Apr 2006 04:45:58 AM |
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DanielSan wrote:
duke wrote:
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:31:47 GMT, NeoTruthSeeker <truth@nobody.net>
wrote:
Do you, as Job of old did, wonder why God permits evil? If so, we
feel confident that you will find a comforting and satisfying answer
to your question in what follows.
I already know the answer. God wants our choice. And we will be
rewarded
accordingly.
And you're pissing Odin off.
Wodan is a wimp, any god who give his son a hammer to make noise to
scare the locals is a coward.
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25 Apr 2006 11:22:46 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, DanielSan in episode
<444ed811$0$15444$6d36acad@taz.nntpserver.com>...
duke wrote:
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:31:47 GMT, NeoTruthSeeker <truth@nobody.net>
wrote:
Do you, as Job of old did, wonder why God permits evil? If so, we feel
confident that you will find a comforting and satisfying answer to your
question in what follows.
I already know the answer. God wants our choice. And we will be
rewarded accordingly.
And you're pissing Odin off.
Not to mention, you should *hear what Thor said about him yesterday...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
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