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"Jesus Saves" |
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15 Jul 2006 11:28:41 AM |
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Re: Why doesn't Tom Cruise come out of the Closet? |
"Just do it Tom" <do.it.tom@just.do.it> wrote in message
news:2tjfb29bqs83v596mgb2k7m40l0q12uocs@newsgroups...
I just don't understand why he's still in the closet at all. I mean,
half of Hollywood is gay, and the other half is bi (gay lite). What
is he afraid of? He's a good looking man, the gay community would
embrace him. Minorities are always looking for a celebrity to
represent them. And let's face it, gays need all the help they can
get. Fat Rosie is constantly dragging their name through the mud, and
Ellen is as bland as you can get. Her 15 minutes were up 15 years
ago. If Tom were to come out of the closet now, it would be the
biggest boost to gays since Stonewall in the 60's. His star in
Hollywood is fading fast, so if he doesn't act now, by the time he
finally decides to swing open that closet door, there might not be
anybody waiting outside to welcome him. And we all know gay culture
is youth-obsessed, so he better do it before he turns 50. Unless he's
planning to be Madonna's son's sugar daddy. Or Britney's.
I think it's because he has accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior and
finally understood that homosexuality is a capital sin.
Katie's parents are nice Roman Catholics, and I'm sure they took him aside
and explained that if he persisted in his perverted ways he was going to be
condemned to an eternity in hell.
I think this marriage with Katie and her family is the best thing that ever
happened to him. God and the Angels always rejoice in Heaven when another
soul is saved from the evils of homosexuality.
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15 Jul 2006 11:31:42 AM |
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"Jesus Saves" <jesussaves@amenhallelu.jah> wrote in message
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"Just do it Tom" <do.it.tom@just.do.it> wrote in message
news:2tjfb29bqs83v596mgb2k7m40l0q12uocs@newsgroups...
I just don't understand why he's still in the closet at all. I mean,
half of Hollywood is gay, and the other half is bi (gay lite). What
is he afraid of? He's a good looking man, the gay community would
embrace him. Minorities are always looking for a celebrity to
represent them. And let's face it, gays need all the help they can
get. Fat Rosie is constantly dragging their name through the mud, and
Ellen is as bland as you can get. Her 15 minutes were up 15 years
ago. If Tom were to come out of the closet now, it would be the
biggest boost to gays since Stonewall in the 60's. His star in
Hollywood is fading fast, so if he doesn't act now, by the time he
finally decides to swing open that closet door, there might not be
anybody waiting outside to welcome him. And we all know gay culture
is youth-obsessed, so he better do it before he turns 50. Unless he's
planning to be Madonna's son's sugar daddy. Or Britney's.
I think it's because he has accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior
and finally understood that homosexuality is a capital sin.
Katie's parents are nice Roman Catholics, and I'm sure they took him aside
and explained that if he persisted in his perverted ways he was going to
be condemned to an eternity in hell.
I think this marriage with Katie and her family is the best thing that
ever happened to him. God and the Angels always rejoice in Heaven when
another soul is saved from the evils of homosexuality.
Did they ever get married? I thought they were still "living in sin".
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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16 Jul 2006 02:04:20 PM |
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"Just do it Tom" <do.it.tom@just.do.it> wrote in message
I just don't understand why he's still in the closet at all.
You know, there is of course the possibility that he's not gay at all.
I mean,
half of Hollywood is gay, and the other half is bi (gay lite). What
is he afraid of? He's a good looking man, the gay community would
embrace him.
Uh, I don't know. He's pretty weird and erratic. I'm not sure that
the gay community wants him as their poster boy.
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| User: "Michael Pattinson" |
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27 Jul 2006 01:35:45 AM |
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wrote:
"Just do it Tom" <do.it.tom@just.do.it> wrote in message
I just don't understand why he's still in the closet at all.
You know, there is of course the possibility that he's not gay at all.
I mean,
half of Hollywood is gay, and the other half is bi (gay lite). What
is he afraid of? He's a good looking man, the gay community would
embrace him.
Uh, I don't know. He's pretty weird and erratic. I'm not sure that
the gay community wants him as their poster boy.
.Exactly, no hopes here for him to come out.
I heard Tom Cruise say he is not in the closet several times. It was on
South Park!
You could hear him saying it throught the closet door, silly.
;)
lol
MP
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| User: "Forge" |
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15 Jul 2006 01:57:53 PM |
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In article <hG8ug.3005$iP1.1602@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
"Jesus Saves" <jesussaves@amenhallelu.jah> wrote:
I think it's because he has accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior and
finally understood that homosexuality is a capital sin.
Tom's a Scientologist, which means he doesn't believe in Jesus Christ at
all whatsoever. On the other hand, Jesus did not mention homosexuality
even once. Not one single word. He *did* manage to get across that He is
the New Law, the laws of the Old Testament were thus obsolete, so we no
longer had to worry about all that eye for an eye, watch what you eat,
kill your neighbor if he disobeys stuff. Which is kinda nice, y'know?
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| User: "Kevin" |
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16 Jul 2006 12:09:05 AM |
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In article <forge-6056A3.14575315072006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
Forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote:
In article <hG8ug.3005$iP1.1602@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
"Jesus Saves" <jesussaves@amenhallelu.jah> wrote:
I think it's because he has accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior
and
finally understood that homosexuality is a capital sin.
Tom's a Scientologist, which means he doesn't believe in Jesus Christ at
all whatsoever. On the other hand, Jesus did not mention homosexuality
even once. Not one single word. He *did* manage to get across that He is
the New Law, the laws of the Old Testament were thus obsolete, so we no
longer had to worry about all that eye for an eye, watch what you eat,
kill your neighbor if he disobeys stuff. Which is kinda nice, y'know?
No, Jesus himself said he didn't come to replace the old spiritual laws.
Jesus replaced the sacrificial, and dietary laws. Made them absolete.
The rest are still valid.
--
Kevin
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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16 Jul 2006 05:22:48 AM |
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In News barbaraschwarz-700347.01090516072006@news.charter.net,, Kevin at
barbaraschwarz@mentalhospital.net, typed this:
In article <forge-6056A3.14575315072006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
Forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote:
In article <hG8ug.3005$iP1.1602@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
"Jesus Saves" <jesussaves@amenhallelu.jah> wrote:
I think it's because he has accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and
Savior and
finally understood that homosexuality is a capital sin.
Tom's a Scientologist, which means he doesn't believe in Jesus
Christ at all whatsoever. On the other hand, Jesus did not mention
homosexuality even once. Not one single word. He *did* manage to get
across that He is the New Law, the laws of the Old Testament were
thus obsolete, so we no longer had to worry about all that eye for
an eye, watch what you eat, kill your neighbor if he disobeys stuff.
Which is kinda nice, y'know?
No, Jesus himself said he didn't come to replace the old spiritual
laws. Jesus replaced the sacrificial, and dietary laws. Made them
absolete.
The rest are still valid.
Yet there's nothing in the bible that states that.
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Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. – Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Forge" |
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17 Jul 2006 11:14:32 PM |
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In article <barbaraschwarz-700347.01090516072006@news.charter.net>,
Kevin <barbaraschwarz@mentalhospital.net> wrote:
Tom's a Scientologist, which means he doesn't believe in Jesus Christ at
all whatsoever. On the other hand, Jesus did not mention homosexuality
even once. Not one single word. He *did* manage to get across that He is
the New Law, the laws of the Old Testament were thus obsolete, so we no
longer had to worry about all that eye for an eye, watch what you eat,
kill your neighbor if he disobeys stuff. Which is kinda nice, y'know?
No, Jesus himself said he didn't come to replace the old spiritual laws.
Jesus replaced the sacrificial, and dietary laws. Made them absolete.
The rest are still valid.
Okay, thanks for the correction.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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18 Jul 2006 09:38:16 AM |
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Forge wrote:
No, Jesus himself said he didn't come to replace the old spiritual laws.
Jesus replaced the sacrificial, and dietary laws. Made them absolete.
*****.
Matthew 5
17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not
come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one
tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in
the kingdom of heaven.
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"Laughter is not a sin intrinsically, but it produces sin"
"Homilies - Adversus ebriosos et de resurrectione domini
nostri Jesu" - St. John Chrysostom
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| User: "Richo" |
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26 Jul 2006 07:46:42 PM |
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wbarwell wrote:
Forge wrote:
No, Jesus himself said he didn't come to replace the old spiritual laws.
Jesus replaced the sacrificial, and dietary laws. Made them absolete.
*****.
Actually the wonderful thing about the bible is that it says both -
that the old laws dont matter any more - and that the old laws still
stand.
It's the same on just about anything - you can use the bible to argue
*for* or *against* almost anything.
Matthew 5
17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not
come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one
tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in
the kingdom of heaven.
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| User: "Lord Xenu" |
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17 Jul 2006 11:16:37 PM |
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X-No-Archive: Yes
"Forge" <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote in message
news:forge-D9B3D9.00143218072006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
In article <barbaraschwarz-700347.01090516072006@news.charter.net>,
Kevin <barbaraschwarz@mentalhospital.net> wrote:
Tom's a Scientologist, which means he doesn't believe in Jesus Christ
at
all whatsoever. On the other hand, Jesus did not mention homosexuality
even once. Not one single word. He *did* manage to get across that He
is
the New Law, the laws of the Old Testament were thus obsolete, so we no
longer had to worry about all that eye for an eye, watch what you eat,
kill your neighbor if he disobeys stuff. Which is kinda nice, y'know?
No, Jesus himself said he didn't come to replace the old spiritual laws.
Jesus replaced the sacrificial, and dietary laws. Made them absolete.
The rest are still valid.
Okay, thanks for the correction.
All right, so we're agreed that all absurd, unproven religious gobbledygook
is still just that?
*whew!*
In Enturblation & Entheta,
Your Friendly Galactic Overseer
¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·-> Lord Xenu © <-·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯
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"Those who gathered to find out about the
copyright infringement dispute found out shortly
that Scientology® wasn't just a wacky cult, but
a vicious and criminal totalitarian organization
posing as a church despite having the ethics of
a shark and the level of spirituality usually associated
with a crack cocaine dealer." --- ptsc
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http://www.xenu.net
http://www.firstchurchofxenu.com/
http://www.xenu.net/archive/world_without/
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.lermanet.com
http://www.torymagoo.org
http://www.scientology-truth.info
http://mysite.verizon.net/toomajan
http://www.xenutv.com
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| User: "Ash" |
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16 Jul 2006 03:36:06 PM |
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Kevin wrote:
In article <forge-6056A3.14575315072006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
Forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote:
In article <hG8ug.3005$iP1.1602@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
"Jesus Saves" <jesussaves@amenhallelu.jah> wrote:
I think it's because he has accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior
and
finally understood that homosexuality is a capital sin.
Tom's a Scientologist, which means he doesn't believe in Jesus Christ at
all whatsoever. On the other hand, Jesus did not mention homosexuality
even once. Not one single word. He *did* manage to get across that He is
the New Law, the laws of the Old Testament were thus obsolete, so we no
longer had to worry about all that eye for an eye, watch what you eat,
kill your neighbor if he disobeys stuff. Which is kinda nice, y'know?
No, Jesus himself said he didn't come to replace the old spiritual laws.
Jesus replaced the sacrificial, and dietary laws. Made them absolete.
Where did he say which laws were spiritual? And where did he specify
that it was only those laws that still stood?
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| User: "thomas p" |
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16 Jul 2006 10:49:37 AM |
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:09:05 -0400, Kevin
<barbaraschwarz@mentalhospital.net> wrote:
In article <forge-6056A3.14575315072006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
Forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote:
In article <hG8ug.3005$iP1.1602@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
"Jesus Saves" <jesussaves@amenhallelu.jah> wrote:
I think it's because he has accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior
and
finally understood that homosexuality is a capital sin.
Tom's a Scientologist, which means he doesn't believe in Jesus Christ at
all whatsoever. On the other hand, Jesus did not mention homosexuality
even once. Not one single word. He *did* manage to get across that He is
the New Law, the laws of the Old Testament were thus obsolete, so we no
longer had to worry about all that eye for an eye, watch what you eat,
kill your neighbor if he disobeys stuff. Which is kinda nice, y'know?
No, Jesus himself said he didn't come to replace the old spiritual laws.
Didn't you know that it is a sin to change what the Bible says?
Jesus replaced the sacrificial, and dietary laws. Made them absolete.
The rest are still valid.
You just made Jesus cry. Shame on you.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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16 Jul 2006 07:57:41 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:57:53 -0400, Forge
<forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote:
Tom's a Scientologist, which means he doesn't believe in Jesus Christ at
all whatsoever. On the other hand, Jesus did not mention homosexuality
even once. Not one single word.
Sure he did, because Paul did, and Paul received his revelation from the
Risen Lord. The Gospel accounts, like the Pauline epistles, are hearsay
accounts of what Jesus said. You choose to believe one account, and not
another. It's that simple ..
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| User: "avery" |
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16 Jul 2006 08:20:55 AM |
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"George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote in message
news:erdkb213vt0mjhbdd3movg6kqe1jjliqig@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:57:53 -0400, Forge
<forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote:
Tom's a Scientologist, which means he doesn't believe in Jesus Christ at
all whatsoever. On the other hand, Jesus did not mention homosexuality
even once. Not one single word.
Sure he did, because Paul did, and Paul received his revelation from the
Risen Lord. The Gospel accounts, like the Pauline epistles, are hearsay
accounts of what Jesus said. You choose to believe one account, and not
another. It's that simple ..
Can't we all just agree that Tom Cruise is way too small to have sex, accept
it, and scrub that very notion out of our collective heads?
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18 Jul 2006 04:39:03 PM |
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avery wrote:
Can't we all just agree that Tom Cruise is way too small to have sex..........?
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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16 Jul 2006 03:04:24 PM |
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George Peatty wrote:
Forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote:
Tom's a Scientologist, which means he doesn't believe in Jesus Christ at
all whatsoever. On the other hand, Jesus did not mention homosexuality
even once. Not one single word.
Sure he did, because Paul did, and Paul received his revelation from the
Risen Lord.
Hmm... From the "Risen Lord." Kinky.
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"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed."
--Voltaire
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16 Jul 2006 08:33:31 AM |
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George Peatty wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:57:53 -0400, Forge
<forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote:
Tom's a Scientologist, which means he doesn't believe in Jesus Christ at
all whatsoever. On the other hand, Jesus did not mention homosexuality
even once. Not one single word.
Sure he did, because Paul did, and Paul received his revelation from the
Risen Lord. The Gospel accounts, like the Pauline epistles, are hearsay
accounts of what Jesus said. You choose to believe one account, and not
another. It's that simple ..
But JESUS never mentioned it. Paul never met Jesus, not one time in his
entire life. He had a VISION, and any sensible person has to take that
sort of thing with a grain of salt.
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Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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16 Jul 2006 08:34:55 AM |
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In News 12bkg1cfb5lg0f6@corp.supernews.com,, Alric Knebel at
alric@[cableone.net], typed this:
George Peatty wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:57:53 -0400, Forge
<forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote:
Tom's a Scientologist, which means he doesn't believe in Jesus
Christ at all whatsoever. On the other hand, Jesus did not mention
homosexuality even once. Not one single word.
Sure he did, because Paul did, and Paul received his revelation from
the Risen Lord. The Gospel accounts, like the Pauline epistles, are
hearsay accounts of what Jesus said. You choose to believe one
account, and not another. It's that simple ..
But JESUS never mentioned it. Paul never met Jesus, not one time in
his entire life. He had a VISION, and any sensible person has to
take that sort of thing with a grain of salt.
Actually, it was probably a bad batch of grain. :c)
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Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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16 Jul 2006 01:14:14 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:33:31 -0500, Alric Knebel <alric@[cableone.net]>
wrote:
But JESUS never mentioned it. Paul never met Jesus, not one time in his
entire life. He had a VISION, and any sensible person has to take that
sort of thing with a grain of salt.
I admire your ability to be so measured about what you believe and do not
believe. If the resurrection itself is credible, then Paul having spoken
face to face with the Risen Lord is also credible. Gal 1: 11 I want you to
know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made
up. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I
received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
The New International Version, (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing
House) 1984.
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| User: "No One" |
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17 Jul 2006 03:00:31 PM |
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George Peatty <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> writes:
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:33:31 -0500, Alric Knebel <alric@[cableone.net]>
wrote:
But JESUS never mentioned it. Paul never met Jesus, not one time in his
entire life. He had a VISION, and any sensible person has to take that
sort of thing with a grain of salt.
I admire your ability to be so measured about what you believe and do not
believe. If the resurrection itself is credible, then Paul having spoken
face to face with the Risen Lord is also credible.
Isn't the story in the Bible that Jesus appeared to Paul in some sort
of vision while Paul was walking to Damascus? You know, through the
desert where hot weather can cause dehydration which can in turn cause
hallucinations. But, for the believers out there, it might be worth
pointing out what Jesus supposedly told Paul - "stop bugging me" (free,
non-literal translation). Paul responded by changing from one sort
of nuisance into another. :-)
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| User: "Alric Knebel" |
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16 Jul 2006 06:31:31 PM |
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George Peatty wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:33:31 -0500, Alric Knebel <alric@[cableone.net]>
wrote:
But JESUS never mentioned it. Paul never met Jesus, not one time in his
entire life. He had a VISION, and any sensible person has to take that
sort of thing with a grain of salt.
I admire your ability to be so measured about what you believe and do not
believe. If the resurrection itself is credible, then Paul having spoken
face to face with the Risen Lord is also credible. Gal 1: 11 I want you to
know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made
up. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I
received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
The New International Version, (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing
House) 1984.
No, it is NOT credible. Just because a book stated it happened, doesn't
make it any more credible. If what you said is true -- that the "Risen
Lord" appeared to Paul -- and a man came today and told you had seen the
"Risen Lord," would you believe him? Some people would. Some people
have believed some of the dumbest things in the name of religion. But
at bottom, you're all alike, and there's something fatally flawed in how
your minds work, in that you can't see what's so obvious to the rest of
sensible humanity.
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Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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17 Jul 2006 12:20:55 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:06:36 -0500, Alric Knebel <alric@[cableone.net]>
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I'm going to go with the vast majority in this case.
Well, you got me there, but I would point out Christ's words in the Sermon
on the Mount, "narrow is the way and strait the gate that leads to eternal
life, and few there be that go in thereby."
You *sure* you want to be with the majority on this?
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| User: "Alric Knebel" |
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17 Jul 2006 03:41:55 PM |
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George Peatty wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:06:36 -0500, Alric Knebel <alric@[cableone.net]>
wrote:
I'm going to go with the vast majority in this case.
Well, you got me there, but I would point out Christ's words in the Sermon
on the Mount, "narrow is the way and strait the gate that leads to eternal
life, and few there be that go in thereby."
You *sure* you want to be with the majority on this?
Absolutely. You misunderstand the straitness of your own way.
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Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com
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| Title: Re: Why doesn't Tom Cruise come out of the Closet? |
17 Jul 2006 01:26:46 PM |
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George Peatty wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:33:31 -0500, Alric Knebel <alric@[cableone.net]>
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But JESUS never mentioned it. Paul never met Jesus, not one time in his
entire life. He had a VISION, and any sensible person has to take that
sort of thing with a grain of salt.
I admire your ability to be so measured about what you believe and do not
believe. If the resurrection itself is credible, then Paul having spoken
face to face with the Risen Lord is also credible. Gal 1: 11 I want you to
know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made
up. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I
received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
The New International Version, (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing
House) 1984.
Briefly butting into the exegesis game... The resurrection would be
one miracle, and receiving a message via revelation would be another.
Believing in them would require two sequential mighty leaps of faith as
you present them. But, in fact, miracle #2 seems not at all contingent
upon miracle #1. I.e., if we are to believe in Paul's ether-net
connection, we might just as well let him reach not only the even
merely nearly dead but also the really quite sincerely dead. Unless,
of course, you're saying that lots of people claim to believe in
miracle #1 (the resurrection), and thus they'd be hypocrites to draw
the line at miracles #2 thru #N...
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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| Title: Re: Why doesn't Tom Cruise come out of the Closet? |
17 Jul 2006 05:48:49 PM |
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On 17 Jul 2006 11:26:46 -0700, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
Unless, of course, you're saying that lots of people claim to believe in
miracle #1 (the resurrection), and thus they'd be hypocrites to draw
the line at miracles #2 thru #N...
No. What I'm saying is, if you believe in A (the resurrection), which is a
manifestly impossible event apart from the Divine Will, then believing in B
(the revelation to Paul) becomes not only plausible but likely .. *given* A.
It's not a question of hypocrisy; it is a logical progression through a
certain set of assumptions.
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| User: "moviePig" |
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| Title: Re: Why doesn't Tom Cruise come out of the Closet? |
17 Jul 2006 06:59:00 PM |
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George Peatty wrote:
On 17 Jul 2006 11:26:46 -0700, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
Unless, of course, you're saying that lots of people claim to believe in
miracle #1 (the resurrection), and thus they'd be hypocrites to draw
the line at miracles #2 thru #N...
No. What I'm saying is, if you believe in A (the resurrection), which is a
manifestly impossible event apart from the Divine Will, then believing in B
(the revelation to Paul) becomes not only plausible but likely .. *given* A.
It's not a question of hypocrisy; it is a logical progression through a
certain set of assumptions.
I'd understand your point *if* you were saying that Paul spotted Jesus
out and about, had lunch with him, etc. But you're not, afaics.
Instead, you're saying that Paul saw him via a "revelation". Well, to
a skeptic, that means of communication is a priori highly suspect. So,
whether Paul uses his magic ability to speak either to the corner
grocer or to a risen dead man is neither here nor there, because the
skeptical presumption is that he's actually tuned to some internal echo
channel. Put another way, you can't use a miraculous witness (Paul) to
prove a prior miracle (the resurrection). But I guess *you're* saying
that, once the prior miracle is accepted, then conventional reality is
knocked back on its heels, and subsequent miracles such as Paul's
should be considered commonplace... though I'm not sure why that should
follow, and why we should prefer that explanation of Paul's experience
rather than scrutinize carefully the wishful ramblings of a mystic with
an agenda...
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Why doesn't Tom Cruise come out of the Closet? |
17 Jul 2006 06:07:31 PM |
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In News 5m4ob25evjo0htotkip1nhnhh7hnn77k4n@4ax.com,, George Peatty at
peattyg47-1230@copper.net, typed this:
On 17 Jul 2006 11:26:46 -0700, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
wrote:
Unless, of course, you're saying that lots of people claim to
believe in miracle #1 (the resurrection), and thus they'd be
hypocrites to draw the line at miracles #2 thru #N...
No. What I'm saying is, if you believe in A (the resurrection),
which is a manifestly impossible event apart from the Divine Will,
then believing in B (the revelation to Paul) becomes not only
plausible but likely .. *given* A. It's not a question of hypocrisy;
it is a logical progression through a certain set of assumptions.
You will note that Paul never mentions a physical ressurection. There are
a growing number of theologians that believe Paul was talking about a
spritual ascension.
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Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Why doesn't Tom Cruise come out of the Closet? |
25 Jul 2006 04:59:57 AM |
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In News r90lb2d7afd5nei286c8e6hp6asjeak9g1@4ax.com,, George Peatty at
peattyg47-1230@copper.net, typed this:
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:33:31 -0500, Alric Knebel
<alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
But JESUS never mentioned it. Paul never met Jesus, not one time in
his entire life. He had a VISION, and any sensible person has to
take that sort of thing with a grain of salt.
I admire your ability to be so measured about what you believe and do
not believe. If the resurrection itself is credible,
Let's see... Person rising from being dead... Is that credible? Hmmm...
well, other than some cases of people being misdiagnosed as dead like
certain catatonic conditions, I'd say no.
then Paul
having spoken face to face with the Risen Lord is also credible.
It's probably more credible to say that Paul got a hold of some poorly
stored grain.
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Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "No One" |
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| Title: Re: Why doesn't Tom Cruise come out of the Closet? |
25 Jul 2006 10:12:25 AM |
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"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> writes:
In News r90lb2d7afd5nei286c8e6hp6asjeak9g1@4ax.com,, George Peatty at
peattyg47-1230@copper.net, typed this:
then Paul having spoken face to face with the Risen Lord is also
credible.
It's probably more credible to say that Paul got a hold of some poorly
stored grain.
More likely, since he was supposedly on the road to Damascus, with
the time of the year not given in the Biblical account, it was
hotter than hell and Paul was dehydrated and started to hallucinate. :-)
I once heard about another guy who "saw Jesus". He was very high on
some psychodelic substance and was sitting somewhere reading the Bible
when the face of Jesus appeared before him. He became a fundie
afterwards and it was downhill from there.
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| User: "Wyle Coyote" |
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| Title: Re: Why doesn't Tom Cruise come out of the Closet? |
26 Jul 2006 04:15:43 PM |
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No One wrote:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL13@THISADDRESS.FOAD> writes:
In News r90lb2d7afd5nei286c8e6hp6asjeak9g1@4ax.com,, George Peatty at
peattyg47-1230@copper.net, typed this:
then Paul having spoken face to face with the Risen Lord is also
credible.
It's probably more credible to say that Paul got a hold of some poorly
stored grain.
More likely, since he was supposedly on the road to Damascus, with
the time of the year not given in the Biblical account, it was
hotter than hell and Paul was dehydrated and started to hallucinate. :-)
I once heard about another guy who "saw Jesus". He was very high on
some psychodelic substance and was sitting somewhere reading the Bible
when the face of Jesus appeared before him. He became a fundie
afterwards and it was downhill from there.
Somebody put this roadkill out of its misery!
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