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Religions > Atheism |
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"Io Saturnalia!" |
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10 Dec 2006 04:18:16 PM |
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Re: Why is Christmas near the winter solstice? ` |
On 10 Dec 2006, wrote:
Io Saturnalia! wrote:
The answer is really simple. So I'll keep this short.
Because there was no popular consensus among renowned
historians, astronomers, astrologers of the day, etc.,
with regard to the actual year, month, date, and time
of the Nativity of Jesus in Bethlehem; in 274 AD, the
reigning emperor Aurelian saw fit to unite the winter
solstice celebrations, most popularly Saturnalia, and
'Natalis Solis Invicti', "Birth of the Sun-Invincible"
with the growing Christian tradition of observing the
nativity of Jesus 'Natalis Filius Invicti', "Birth of
the Son-Invincible". There's a lot more to understand
about this, but I promised I'd keep it simple, to wit.
For information on historical calendar dates relating
to Jesus' birth, life, death, and resurrection, see:
http://www.freewebs.com/danieljosephmin/Mins_Historical_Calendar_Of_Jesus.pdf
(in print where available)
An addendum to this: Saturnalia was AT the equinox when the Julian
calendear was established. By the late 3rd century A.D., it was off 3
days. - A. McIntire
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Agreed, but I assume you meant to write "winter solstice".
&Indeed, the high feast-day of the seven-day long festival
of lights, etc., did fall on the 23rd of December in 45 BC
(by the JPL ephemeris about 2:25 UT, proleptic, or course).
The winter solstice of 274 was approximatey 8:52 UT on the
21st of December. And this of course depended on the leap-
years in question. Thus the Roman calendar versus the ever-
precessing rotational-axis of the Earth eventually forced
the Gregorian calendar-correction in 1582, as I'm sure you
(and everybody else reading) are already aware. However...
In some parts of the Roman empire and its provinces, this
festival lasted nine days, much like the difference between
the common seven-branched and nine-branched Hanukkah menorah,
seven branches for the seven planets of the week, adding the
two outer limbs for Uranus and Neptune, respectively.
Any way you look at it, Christmas and Saturnalia are joined
at the hip. It's only the fundies who have a problem with it.
Merry Christmas & Io Saturnalia!
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
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